WSJ/NBC poll: More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions than created them

posted at 8:41 pm on April 30, 2014 by Allahpundit

Yes, this is a hobbyhorse of mine. Let’s ride it! The last time we checked in on this subject, back in February, CNN had stumbled upon a new milestone — for the first time, a majority of the public didn’t blame Bush for America’s current economic doldrums. It took fully five years for the change to occur, but change had come: 44 percent blamed Bush and the GOP, 33 percent blamed Obama and the Democrats, and 14 percent blamed both parties equally. Where do things stand three months later? Hmmmm:

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Not only is this the first time the “inherited” number has dropped below 50 percent in an NBC/WSJ poll, it’s the first time that the number who think Obama’s to blame is within single digits of the “inherited” crowd. The hallmark of polling on this issue in the past has been that the numbers don’t change much (see the February post up top for more on that), but they’re changing now — to the point where we may yet see the day when a majority of the public concludes that The One really does own this economy. Big question, though: Could it be that views of the economy have improved, to the point where some of the people who are “blaming” O for the current state of things are actually crediting him for the improvement? We’re assuming that the margin of blame between Bush and Obama is shrinking because independents are increasingly exasperated with O for not engineering a more robust recovery. But maybe we’ve got it wrong. Maybe it’s O-bots, convinced that the economy’s finally about to take off, who are leaping into the “Obama’s responsible” column. Could that be what’s happening here?

Not really, no:

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The current 26/26 split is middling; Obama’s experienced periods of far more optimism about the economy in the recent past. His job approval rating on the economy is also middling by his standards at 42/54. Here’s the only wrinkle:

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You’ve got almost 60 percent there who say that the economy’s improved under Obama, but given that he took office in the depths of the Great Recession, that doesn’t tell us much. What’s really interesting is that you’ve got barely four in 10 willing to credit him at all for the tepid recovery — and my strong hunch is that the 41 percent in his corner here aren’t overlapping much with the 39 percent in the first question who say Obama’s policies are driving the current economic conditions. I think they’re mostly in the “inherited,” i.e. blame Bush, category, just as righties are in the “Obama’s responsible” one. And increasingly, it seems, some centrist faction is moving towards the right’s position. Bad news for O as we creep closer to November and good news for Jeb Bush as Dubya’s legacy continues to fade.

Totally unrelated to the above, but this made me laugh and should be posted somewhere on the site today. One evening palate-cleanser, coming up.


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So what?

why isn’t the story that AFTER 6 YEARS he and the DNC haven’t corrected it yet?

Skywise on April 30, 2014 at 8:43 PM

WSJ/NBC poll: More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions than created them

I wonder why that is? Too bad that there isn’t an organization tasked- ostensibly- with disseminating facts and information to the people. Like, say, the media. It’s almost as though they’re working together to hide the bad news…

Nah, that’s just crazy talk.

Physics Geek on April 30, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Moron Nation.

VorDaj on April 30, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Bush must be a legacy…

There is no won anywhere…that can correct it…

But our new president is black….

So…

There’s that……

Suck it up Americans…..

Electrongod on April 30, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Of course Obama’s laziness, corruption and sloth have nothing to do with it…

viking01 on April 30, 2014 at 8:47 PM

WSJ/NBC poll: More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions than created them

Then they elected the wrong prez…

Just sayin’

Electrongod on April 30, 2014 at 8:48 PM

WSJ/NBC poll: More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions than created them

Let me guess ,
NBC and WSJ don’t want an IRS audit or a DoJ raid or death by BLM snipers ?

burrata on April 30, 2014 at 8:49 PM

He owns it, but so does any R or D who consistently voted for big government over the years. Plus, the housing crash was totally preventable. Both parties have been very reckless.

cat_owner on April 30, 2014 at 8:49 PM

But…but…but we had “The Summer of Recovery!”. Biden said so!

GarandFan on April 30, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Didn’t Obama explicitly run as the candidate best qualified to clean up the mess Bush made?

myiq2xu on April 30, 2014 at 8:51 PM

There are soooooo many stupid, stupid, stupid people amongst us.

Kensington on April 30, 2014 at 8:51 PM

There are three things wrong with this poll. N, B, and C.

oldennis on April 30, 2014 at 8:51 PM

I question the poll. It is hard to believe that many people are that stupid. But then, there are people who still vote Democrat.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on April 30, 2014 at 8:51 PM

The irony is that Americans today have more information available to them then any time in history.

What a sad commentary on us….

idesign on April 30, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Affirmative-action strikes again.

It isn’t all Obama’s wrong answers…. it’s the test !!!

viking01 on April 30, 2014 at 8:54 PM

LIV nation

bernzright777 on April 30, 2014 at 8:54 PM

So, 60 percent of the country are so stupid, that if breathing were not an autonomic response, they would forget and die.

oscarwilde on April 30, 2014 at 8:55 PM

But…but…but we had “The Summer of Recovery!”. Biden said so!

GarandFan on April 30, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Which one.

RickB on April 30, 2014 at 8:55 PM

WSJ/NBC poll: More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions than created them

…because they blame the minority for the actions of the majority.

From 1/3/2007 to 1/20/2009,
George W. Bush was in the MINORITY party, and
Barack H. Obama was in the MAJORITY party.

From 1/3/2007 to 1/20/2009, George W. Bush did have the power of the veto, but the MAJORITY of the power was in the hands of the Nancy Pelosi House of Representatives and the Harry Reid Senate (where then-Senators Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, etc. were also part of the MAJORITY party).

People need to stop looking at 1/20/2009 as the date when the balance of power shifted in Washington, D.C., because it’s NOT.

The date when the balance of power shifted in Washington, D.C. was 1/3/2007!

Compare the economy on 1/3/2007 to the economy now.

Compare employment on 1/3/2007 to employment now.

Compare the national debt on 1/3/2007 to the national debt now.

Democrats (including then-Senator Obama) inherited a GOOD economy!

Democrats (including then-Senator Obama) Drove the economy into the ditch in 2007-2009, and have left it sitting there in the ditch for the last 5 years.

ITguy on April 30, 2014 at 8:57 PM

The lesson in this is: you break, you buy.

coolrepublica on April 30, 2014 at 8:57 PM

WSJ/NBC poll: More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions than created them are just plain ‘stupid’.

a5minmajor on April 30, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Then they are admitting that Obama is completely inept and they are right.

gracie on April 30, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Total Public Debt Outstanding is now more than double what it was when Democrats (including then-Senator Obama) took majority control on 1/3/2007.

And Debt Held by the Public is now more than two-and-a-half times what it was when Democrats took majority control on 1/3/2007.

Data Source: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=03&startYear=2007&endMonth=04&endDay=30&endYear=2014

ITguy on April 30, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Take a look at employment over the last 20 years in light of which party held a majority (2+ out of 3) of the House, Senate, and Presidency…

1/3/1995 – 1/2/2007: 144 consecutive months of GOP majority
1/3/2007 – 4/30/2014: 88 consecutive months of DEM majority

If DEM majority policies were better than GOP majority policies, then the economy should be better now (after 88 consecutive months of DEM majority) than it was on 1/2/2007 (after 144 consecutive months of GOP majority), right?

During 144 consecutive months of GOP majority, the Employment-Population Ratio averaged 63.3%, and ended slightly above that average at 63.4% in December 2006.

During 88 consecutive months of DEM majority, the Employment-Population Ratio has averaged 59.8%, and has been BELOW that average for all of the last FIVE YEARS.

ITguy on April 30, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Skywise on April 30, 2014 at 8:43 PM

That’s my take. Something bad happened just before Obama became president – I’ll agree with that, but he’s still done nothing to fix it. The economy is pretty much the same, only now we have trillions more in debt that we have to service, and ostensibly pay back, eventually. Obama’s been “busy” giving condescending, scolding lectures, playing golf, watching HBO miniseries, and trying to figure out how to blame the next disaster on Republicans or Bush.

notropis on April 30, 2014 at 9:01 PM

The only reason, and it is the only reason, people believe this is they get their news from the same MSM that didn’t report on the Benghazi e-mail tonight. If anyone believes the MSM isn’t in collusion with this administration and the Democratic Party, just look at what’s news and what they report.

The good thing is that, before long, Fox News will be the only “trusted” new broadcast. They’ve already had an endorsement from Jeff Greenfield.

bflat879 on April 30, 2014 at 9:01 PM

The lesson in this is: you break, you buy.

coolrepublica on April 30, 2014 at 8:57 PM

No. The lesson is that a corrupt, lying, lapdog media can easily brainwash an ignorant and apathetic citizenry.

Kataklysmic on April 30, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Yes, this is a hobbyhorse of mine. Let’s ride it!

LOL

Vero Beach Florida on April 30, 2014 at 9:02 PM

And “more people” are hopelessly stupid.

rplat on April 30, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Good memes never die, they just get milked for all their worth by those who are bankrupt intellectually for those who are bankrupt intellectually. And “Blame Bush” is a great one for the idiot electorate sucking
on the Democrat’s teat, God bless’m.

Others on the meme hit parade:
Racist
Sexist
Misogynistic (OK, repeating myself – That was for hotypooh Wendykins)
Islamophobic
Profiling
Homophobic
Tax the rich
Man-made Global Warming
It’s just a little gas.

Chuck Ef on April 30, 2014 at 9:06 PM

I`m sure somehow, in some way, I can`t figure out how……… Benghazi must be Bush`s fault.

ThePrez on April 30, 2014 at 9:08 PM

It took fully five years for the change to occur, but change had come: 44 percent blamed Bush and the GOP, 33 percent blamed Obama and the Democrats, and 14 percent blamed both parties equally.

Reality bites. Doesn’t it.

Newtie and the Beauty on April 30, 2014 at 9:08 PM

That’s true. But Obama has done nothing but made matters worse and with Obamacare the economy will be much worse in due time, long after he’s gone. Thanks Bush!

rickv404 on April 30, 2014 at 9:17 PM

The follow up question should have been

“For how long do stupid decisions have negative impacts on society and the economy”

I’d day Woodrow Wilson and the Fed.

He thought so too.

WryTrvllr on April 30, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Embrace the suck, eh….

crosshugger on April 30, 2014 at 9:18 PM

You’ve got almost 60 percent there who say that the economy’s improved under Obama

I can’t believe we have that many folks who believe this..The USA is in trouble..*shakes head*..*facepalm*..:(

Dire Straits on April 30, 2014 at 9:19 PM

WSJ/NBC poll: More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions than created them

I wonder why that is? Too bad that there isn’t an organization tasked- ostensibly- with disseminating facts and information to the people. Like, say, the media. It’s almost as though they’re working together to hide the bad news…

Nah, that’s just crazy talk.

Physics Geek on April 30, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Yep. Thread winner.

RI_Red on April 30, 2014 at 9:20 PM

It’s a stupid question that poses a false dichtomy. A lot of Americans blame politicians, period. But for the same reason that “none of the above” isn’t on the ballot, Americans are given 2 crappy choices and told to pick one when polled about the fake Right-Left political dog and pony show.

Another Libertarian on April 30, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Where’s the mega-facepalm pic?

I’m thinking Karl Rove got the wrong end of the eeeeevil control box deal – GWB’s “mastery” of the economy has already begun its 15th year, with the “talkdown” of the DotCom Bubble in early 2000 extending through the beginnings of the deeper half of the double-dip Dempression.

Steve Eggleston on April 30, 2014 at 9:22 PM

The entire thing is make believe.

Bmore on April 30, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Republicans have never effectively explained to the public how the housing crisis began. Obama was one of the idiots who created the problem, starting when he was a lawyer in Chicago, suing banks under the CRA to force them to make home loans to unqualified minority borrowers. Then later, when he was a senator, he was part of the Democratic cabal that pushed loosening lending standards at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, as well as other stupid policies.

Obama didn’t “inherit” the housing melt-down; Obama helped make it happen.

AZCoyote on April 30, 2014 at 9:26 PM

No one thinks Obama is smart enough to have caused anything.

Bigbullets on April 30, 2014 at 9:30 PM

“I inherited these damn profit AND earnings ratios!!” — Barky, 84 IQ Dog Connoisseur, Ivy League Pet

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 30, 2014 at 9:30 PM

The irony is that Americans today have more information available to them then any time in history.

What a sad commentary on us….

idesign on April 30, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Brilliant Post idesign

ToddPA on April 30, 2014 at 9:31 PM

…yes sure!…he inherited the racism from the 40′s and 50′s too!

KOOLAID2 on April 30, 2014 at 9:32 PM

More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions than created them

Huh?

At what point into your second term do you actually own the issues you were elected to resolve?

Marcus Traianus on April 30, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Jesse Ventura and Vladimir Putin in the ring…

A New era in American Foreign Policy…

Maybe 2016

HA!

workingclass artist on April 30, 2014 at 9:33 PM

What this proves is … a lot of our neighbors shouldn’t be allowed outside without adult supervision.

BD57 on April 30, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Moron Nation.

VorDaj on April 30, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Common Core

workingclass artist on April 30, 2014 at 9:35 PM

This is thanks to our corrupt, propagandizing mainstream media, which hid the Democrats’ role in creating the housing bubble that caused the economic crisis while glorifying Obama and demonizing Bush. The lying, left-controlled mainstream media is our biggest problem.

Cara C on April 30, 2014 at 9:36 PM

As demoralizing as this can be, well, we are apparently mostly populated by the abjectly moronic drooling leftist masses, so…

let it burn.

Midas on April 30, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Skywise on April 30, 2014 at 8:43 PM

That’s my take. Something bad happened just before Obama became president – I’ll agree with that, but he’s still done nothing to fix it.

notropis on April 30, 2014 at 9:01 PM

But the Dems controlled both the Senate and Congress since 2006. It’s not like he inherited something bad done by aliens…

jimver on April 30, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Yes, this is a hobbyhorse of mine. Let’s ride it!

Just don’t wear those @ssless chaps again.

TinFin on April 30, 2014 at 9:45 PM

AA indeed.

CW on April 30, 2014 at 9:47 PM

There should be no doubt where the blame lies, with the MSM. The same MSM that’s not reporting in the Benghazi e-mail, has allowed this administration to escape blame for this economy. One day the truth will win out and it will be their shame when it does.

bflat879 on April 30, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Not only is this the first time the “inherited” number has dropped below 50 percent in an NBC/WSJ poll, it’s the first time that the number who think Obama’s to blame is within single digits of the “inherited” crowd. The hallmark of polling on this issue in the past has been that the numbers don’t change much (see the February post up top for more on that), but they’re changing now — to the point where we may yet see the day when a majority of the public concludes that The One really does own this economy.

Kind of flips everdiso aka forevercarryingobamasjock…on his head.

CW on April 30, 2014 at 9:57 PM

It’s not good news for Jeb, it’s good news for Rick Perry. Still the only guy who also inherited a “Bush economy”.

monalisa on April 30, 2014 at 10:07 PM

These are not opinion polls to gage the sentiment of the citizenry.

Rather, it is research to determine the effectiveness of the MSM campaign to cover up for Mr. Incompetent Pants.

BobMbx on April 30, 2014 at 10:10 PM

Well when you have the media constantly defending him on everything of course the low information people will believe that. Got to remember about 65% or more of the population are idiots and couldn’t tell you anything about what is going on in the world. That is how Chairman Obama got elected twice.

The Notorious G.O.P on April 30, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Six years of things getting progressively worse, multi agencies under Congressional investigation for corruption, no one fired or in jail & the public still blame Bush. How does this retardation exist?

RdLake on April 30, 2014 at 10:20 PM

Remember the old days when people who read the Wall Street Journal actually understood (or at least were trying to learn) about economics and business?

Now all they want is handouts of taxpayer money and their daily delivery of fiat money from Miz Yellin..

LegendHasIt on April 30, 2014 at 10:21 PM

WSJ/NBC poll: More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions than created them

Sayeth Allah: “Yes, this is a hobbyhorse of mine.”

Yeah, well…I got a hobby horse, too, and it’s called The Sunday Morning DNC/Liberal Media Propaganda Shows. The reason they make me so nuts is that their propaganda adds a small group of otherwise functional people — now propagandized into stupid DNC drones with tripe like this — to the large group of utter nitwits who know nothing about anything (Rush’s “low information voters” — far too gracious) to create a voting block that is nearly impossible now to defeat in a higher turnout Presidential election.

These dopes get their news from propaganda network TV, MTV, the music industry, porn movies, Hollyweird, Gawker, TMZ, E!, Stewart and Colbert, and the late-night propaganda industry. That lineup would turn even normal brains into sewage.

Jaibones on April 30, 2014 at 10:22 PM

I think he could have definitely done a lot more to help/not harm but some of it is bigger than him. The Federal Reserve should get the blame, and I would argue that they are more powerful than the president.

iwasbornwithit on April 30, 2014 at 10:28 PM

I am not saying it’s all Bush’s fault either, but neither one was willing to recognize the Federal Reserve as the root problem for our economic woes.

iwasbornwithit on April 30, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Six years of things getting progressively worse, multi agencies under Congressional investigation for corruption, no one fired or in jail & the public still blame Bush. How does this retardation exist?

RdLake on April 30, 2014 at 10:20 PM

Barry is black. It’s an Affirmative Action thing.

slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2014 at 10:32 PM

Guy does a great Jesse.

Love the old guy – “WTF?”

RedNewEnglander on April 30, 2014 at 11:23 PM

I do blame Bush for so souring the nation on his policies and the Republican Party that he set the stage for year after year after year of Democrat control in Congress and back-to-back victory in the White House. Certainly, we needed better candidates for president in both elections, but after the last few years of Bush just about everyone with a pulse knew that almost anyone but Hitler was going to win for the Dems.

Bush takes the lion’s share of the blame for setting the table for one party control in Washington, leading to so much of the stupidity emanating out of there from the Dems.

The Dems own it now, though. It’s ALL THEIRS, the idiots.

xNavigator on April 30, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Goebbels loves the American media.

They are his azz-dwellers. May you all die in there. It ain’t Beluga caviar, you marxist slaves. I hope Orwell gets you all.

Schadenfreude on April 30, 2014 at 11:55 PM

40 years of increasing federal control over public education + 47% of the public on government assistance of some sort = An electorate dumb enough to elect Democrats.

Adjoran on May 1, 2014 at 12:01 AM

More people are dumber than ever before because they’ve basically been told by their master and messiah that they don’t need to think, work, be productive in the least. In exchange all they have to do is goose step behind hussein and blame bush.

We need a pandemic. Walking dead style.

Diluculo on May 1, 2014 at 1:11 AM

“More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions”

If you call that thinking…

jbspry on May 1, 2014 at 2:21 AM

More people are dumber than ever before because they’ve basically been told by their master and messiah that they don’t need to think, work, be productive in the least.

Don’t confuse cause and effect. If they weren’t dumb, he wouldn’t be their master and messiah.

jbspry on May 1, 2014 at 2:24 AM

In fairness… the bad conditions never stopped. It did start under bush and obama has if anything made it worse… but I can’t claim that obama created the current situation. Not even bush did that. This has been building for generations.

Karmashock on May 1, 2014 at 2:28 AM

Allahpundit and poll deconstruction:
We have seen that movie before and know how it ended

ChildOfGod on May 1, 2014 at 5:16 AM

Not really surprising given that a majority voted for the guy twice on the basis of the fact that they were told to do so by the TEEVEE.

Cleombrotus on May 1, 2014 at 5:59 AM

A failure by the Republican party for not educating the public.

albill on May 1, 2014 at 7:08 AM

And if Hillary wins (God help us), she will says it is Bush’s fault as well.

Connecticut on May 1, 2014 at 7:26 AM

And if Hillary wins (God help us), she will says it is Bush’s fault as well.
Connecticut on May 1, 2014 at 7:26 AM

Well, weren’t the Soviet Union’s problems, even the fall of the Berlin Wall, all the Tsars’ fault?

brentspolemics on May 1, 2014 at 7:47 AM

WSJ/NBC poll: More people still think Obama inherited current economic conditions than created them

That’s because he did.

He inherited an economy that crashed due to the influence of a DEMOCRATIC-CONTROLLED CONGRESS! Remember that the Fannie/Freddie collapse started the financial crash, and that Democrat Barney Frank prevented an audit of their financial stability, assuring all of us that they were stable. They crashed less than 6 months later. Bush and McCain had called for audits. Democrats blocked them. Financial instability ensued.

Obama inherited a failed economy caused by the DEMOCRAT-CONTROLLED CONGRESS… that he was a part of!

dominigan on May 1, 2014 at 8:50 AM

Of course, he inherited problems (all Presidents do)… but in six years, he still hasn’t figured out how to fix any! Incompetence!!!

dominigan on May 1, 2014 at 8:51 AM

A failure by the Republican party for not educating the public.

albill on May 1, 2014 at 7:08 AM

I could swear that conservative news sites do a pretty good job at putting out the news (I know b/c I’ve got these programs recorded), but these stories don’t hit the other news sites such as ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. These news stories are then discounted by the progs as it’s not the main stream hogwash news.

avagreen on May 1, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Jessie belongs in HollyWood.

mixplix on May 1, 2014 at 8:59 AM

Idiocracy.

Ward Cleaver on May 1, 2014 at 9:43 AM

But the Dems controlled both the Senate and Congress since 2006. It’s not like he inherited something bad done by aliens…

jimver on April 30, 2014 at 9:45 PM

wouldn’t that be early 2007?
elected in 06 started terms in 07.

dmacleo on May 1, 2014 at 10:05 AM

“You’re Welcome!” – U.S. DemoTards of Edukatin’

Augustinian on May 1, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Affirmative Action

Immolate on May 1, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Yes, the same ignorant “majority” elected, then re-elected this clown – so what else is new?

PJ Emeritus on May 1, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Lets face it the media tries to rewrite history daily. What has the Democrats accomplished in 6 years? I know it’s not a budget.

mixplix on May 1, 2014 at 5:30 PM

WTFO?
You’ve seen it.
Man on the street questions: Who is the Vice President of the United States of America.
Answer: Ah, ahh, ooommm, I, I, aahh, I don’t know.
Trying to emulate the World Class Public Speaker … King Putt, The TOTUS.
Who when not using TOTUS sounds like a stuttering fool.

When the electorate is kept ignorant, they will vote ignorantly.
And with a cooperative corps of Presstitutes you can get them to do it TWICE for the same rat-eared complete and utter fraud.

Consider the prestige of today’s journalist somewhere between drug dealer and junkie.

Missilengr on May 2, 2014 at 2:17 AM

The problem is that the press consists mostly of Democrat operatives who have a byline.

Missilengr on May 2, 2014 at 2:19 AM