Kerry: Taped phone calls show Russia directing Ukraine unrest

posted at 8:41 am on April 29, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Alternate headline: Second look at the NSA? In a closed-door meeting last Friday, John Kerry claimed that Western intel had captured telephone conversations that prove Russia has directed the separatist groups in eastern Ukraine in their campaign to destabilize the country. Some of the handlers are the same as in Crimea, Kerry claimed in the meeting, which Josh Rogin and Eli Lake exclusively report for The Daily Beast:

“Intel is producing taped conversations of intelligence operatives taking their orders from Moscow and everybody can tell the difference in the accents, in the idioms, in the language. We know exactly who’s giving those orders, we know where they are coming from,” Kerry said at a private meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Washington. A recording of Kerry’s remarks was obtained by The Daily Beast.

Kerry didn’t name specific Russian officials implicated in the recordings. But he claimed that the intercepts provided proof of the Russians deliberately fomenting unrest in eastern Ukraine—and lying about it to U.S. officials and the public.

“It’s not an accident that you have some of the same people identified who were in Crimea and in Georgia and who are now in east Ukraine,” said Kerry. “This is insulting to everybody’s intelligence, let alone to our notions about how we ought to be behaving in the 21st century. It’s thuggism, it’s rogue state-ism. It’s the worst order of behavior.” …

Kerry has asserted publicly before that Russian intelligence officers were the “catalyst” behind the riots and government building takeovers in eastern Ukraine. But on Friday he told the private audience why he—and the U.S. intelligence community—were so sure of this assessment.

If so, then American intel has caught up after missing in its analysis of Crimea and Russia. Perhaps the Obama administration has also caught up with reality. After scolding the EU for its part in exacerbating the Ukraine crisis with its support for the Euromaidan protests, Kerry blasted Sergei Lavrov for being a big, fat, un-reset-button liar. If that paraphrase sounds undiplomatic, Kerry’s actual language wasn’t much less plain:

“Right now there is not a negotiation; there is a confrontation. I’m sad to report I’ve never seen such a complete, miserable, unaccountable, disgraceful walk away from a set of promises and understandings than what has taken place,” Kerry said. ““I’ve had six conversations with Lavrov in the last weeks. The last one was kafta-esque, it was other planet, it was just bizarre. Nobody is better at telling you that red is blue and black is white… That’s what we are dealing with.”

Well … yes. That’s what Obama administration critics have said since the Reset Button fiasco five years ago. That’s what we said when Obama unilaterally canceled the missile shield program in eastern Europe, too, and pretty much what we’ve said about Russia all along. For those five years, Obama’s critics were called a bunch of revanchists and Cold War obsessives. Talk about Kafka-esque. Welcome to the non-Metamorphosis of Moscow, Obama administration Russophiles!

What does Russia have to say for itself? A Lavrov deputy waggled the finger of shame at Europe for its “Iron Curtain” sanctions. No, seriously:

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said “Iron Curtain”-style US sanctions could harm its hi-tech sector.

Moscow also said the EU should be ashamed of extending its sanctions and was “under Washington’s thumb”. …

He added: “This is a revival of a system created in 1949 when Western countries essentially lowered an ‘Iron Curtain’, cutting off supplies of hi-tech goods to the USSR and other countries.”

A Russian foreign ministry statement said the EU was “doing Washington’s bidding with new unfriendly gestures towards Russia”.

It added: “If that is how someone in Brussels is hoping to stabilise the situation in Ukraine, then it is a clear indication of a complete lack of understanding of the interior political situation in the country… Are you not ashamed?”

Russian forces seized Crimea, staged a phony plebiscite, and Russian-directed forces are doing the same thing in eastern Ukraine … and it’s Europe that should be ashamed. I’d mention Kafka again here, but this is less shocking for those who didn’t think that centuries of Russian imperialism and Soviet-style propaganda ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall, especially with a former KGB lieutenant colonel setting himself up as tsar.


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#yallneededtotapephonecallsforthat?

rogerb on April 29, 2014 at 8:45 AM

ternate headline: Second look at the NSA? In a closed-door meeting last Friday, John Kerry claimed that Western intel had captured telephone conversations that prove Russia has directed the separatist groups in eastern Ukraine in their campaign to destabilize the country.
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Bionk Russia

………….Nuland
(snark)

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 8:46 AM

Wow, that Kerry is really on top of things.
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Bitter Clinger on April 29, 2014 at 8:48 AM

#yallneededtotapephonecallsforthat?

rogerb on April 29, 2014 at 8:45 AM

My thought, exactly.

bigmacdaddy on April 29, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said “Iron Curtain”-style US sanctions could harm its hi-tech sector.
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Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 23h

Names of Russian individuals and businesses targeted in new round of US sanctions: http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20140428.aspx

Ukraine-related Designations
4/28/2014

​OFFICE OF FOREIGN ASSETS CONTROL

Specially Designated Nationals List Update
The following individuals have been added to OFAC’s SDN List:

(Alot More:)

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20140428.aspx

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Kerry: Taped phone calls show Russia directing Ukraine unrest

Sorry but this isn’t exactly a bombshell. All it does is make the paucity of a response by the EU and US all the more reprehensible.

Now if Kerry had declared that division of Ukraine was necessary to avoid an apartheid…….

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2014 at 8:50 AM

“kafta-esque”? Lol….nice one, guys.

vlad martel on April 29, 2014 at 8:50 AM

MeanWhile,..like NOW:

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
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Update: Hundreds of pro-Russian separatists storm the regional government headquarters in Ukraine’s eastern city of Lugansk – @Reuters
end of alert

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 8:50 AM

Did Kerry say Ukraine was a “kafta-esque” apartheid state?

vlad martel on April 29, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Nobody is better at telling you that red is blue and black is white… That’s what we are dealing with.”

Kerry, your boss is the same way dude…

PatriotRider on April 29, 2014 at 8:54 AM

Kerry is showing us, he is just the buffoon we knew him to be.

jake-the-goose on April 29, 2014 at 8:57 AM

Alternate headline: Second look at the NSA?

No. I expect countries to spy on each other. That’s what they do. Gentlemen do read each other’s mail. I do not expect the US government to spy on American citizens.

On to other news, did John Kerry get hit with a clue bat?

rbj on April 29, 2014 at 8:58 AM

“The Americans are just making this up as the go” Every russian official. Kerry has less than zero credibility on anything that comes out of his mouth, or the state department for that matter.

Mini-14 on April 29, 2014 at 8:58 AM

It’s snowing here. I’m in a bad mood. A shop lathe blew a motor this morning. JFKerry is a fool. My skid-steer is full of mud.

Bishop on April 29, 2014 at 9:00 AM

Did Kerry say Ukraine was a “kafta-esque” apartheid state?

vlad martel on April 29, 2014 at 8:52 AM

BINGO!

Kerry also said the Monroe Doctrine is dead.

workingclass artist on April 29, 2014 at 9:00 AM

Sooo….the Russkies know about the NSA’s penchant for eavesdropping on phone calls and are so sure that Wilhelm I & Bismarck Obama & Kerry won’t do squat that they’re more than happy to blab about it in the clear. Or the Russkies thought their encryption kung fu was good enough to defeat NSA snooping, and we just let them know that’s not the case, but didn’t get anything tangible in return for revealing our intel capability.

Man, I got to get me a case of this Smart Power stuff these guys are drinking.

dreadnought62 on April 29, 2014 at 9:01 AM

I’d mention Kafka again here, but this is less shocking for those who didn’t think that centuries of Russian imperialism and Soviet-style propaganda ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall,

“centuries” of Soviet propaganda?

vlad martel on April 29, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Sanctions:
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Retweeted by Free Ukraine
Bobby Duffy @BobbyIpsosMORI · 6h

New 11-country poll on #Ukraine shows 45% support econ sanctions on #Russia, 25% oppose them http://bit.ly/1mTrIvM

https://twitter.com/BobbyIpsosMORI/status/461043081937424384/photo/1/large

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10794666/Ukraine-crisis-Europeans-want-stability-but-not-at-any-price.html

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:04 AM

“Right now there is not a negotiation; there is a confrontation. I’m sad to report I’ve never seen such a complete, miserable, unaccountable, disgraceful walk away from a set of promises and understandings than what has taken place,” Kerry [Netanyahu] said. ““I’ve had six conversations with Lavrov [Kerry] in the last weeks. The last one was kafta-esque, it was other planet, it was just bizarre. Nobody is better at telling you that red is blue and black is white… That’s what we are dealing with.”

Fenris on April 29, 2014 at 9:04 AM

It’s snowing here.

Bishop on April 29, 2014 at 9:00 AM

Don’t be silly, it’s the last week of April. How could it possibly be snowing? ;0

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2014 at 9:04 AM

And in a sane world this would put a serious crimp in the preznidental aspirations of a certain woman who blamed a YT vid for the deaths of 4 Americans.

Reset Button. Lavrov metaphorically shoved the button straight up Killary’s chute the moment she left that meeting, and has been doing so every day since.

She failed, utterly, but it will never be mentioned and so she will beat the crap out of Paul or Krispy or Bush Part III in 2016 and we get 8 more years of destruction.

Bishop on April 29, 2014 at 9:04 AM

So Kerry and Barry knew about things happening before they happened and did what?
Nothing?

I bet Barry had more resources tuned into tapping the Bundy’s and followers phones than Russia/Ukraine…

albill on April 29, 2014 at 9:05 AM

This situation would not be as bad if everyone in the Obama Administration had taken the Russian threat seriously from the beginning back in January 2009 when he was sworn in.

Kerry got hoisted by his own anti-Semite petard in his remarks that are on video that he claimed he never made and that pretty much destroyed any remaining chance of running for President again and he is pi$$ed way off about it.

Johnnyreb on April 29, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Helpful if true. However since it is amatuer hour at the Obama Admin, I’m not holding my breathe.

BigGator5 on April 29, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Don’t be silly, it’s the last week of April. How could it possibly be snowing? ;0

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Global Warming? Hello? You ignorant homophobe, read a math book sometime and brush up on reality.

Bishop on April 29, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Speaking of Hillary and Russia…

Boeing CEO questioned on Clinton ties
“Boeing chief executive W. James McNearney faced pointed questions during the company’s annual shareholder’s meeting Monday about Boeing’s decision to make a charitable donation to the Clinton Foundation in the same year that then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had advocated on behalf of the company’s sales in Russia.”

“Assuming that building schools in Haiti was a key goal of this Company’s philanthropic programs in 2010, why was it so important to support this work specifically through the Clinton Foundation and not one of the many other reputable, independent charities then working in Haiti?” Almasi said he asked. He called the Boeing donation a “clear conflict of interest” that seemed “reckless and unnecessary.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/28/at-shareholders-meeting-boeing-ceo-questioned-on-clinton-ties/

albill on April 29, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Helpful if true. However since it is amatuer hour at the Obama Admin, I’m not holding my breath.

BigGator5 on April 29, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Ops, corrected.

BigGator5 on April 29, 2014 at 9:09 AM

It’s snowing here. I’m in a bad mood. A shop lathe blew a motor this morning. JFKerry is a fool. My skid-steer is full of mud.

Bishop on April 29, 2014 at 9:00 AM

Bishop:

Raining here Bish,….oh lathe thingy not good!

You gots a skidder??:)

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:10 AM

And in a sane world this would put a serious crimp in the preznidental aspirations of a certain woman who blamed a YT vid for the deaths of 4 Americans.

Bishop on April 29, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Oh, I think we’re at a point where our elections are saying a lot more about the electorate than the elected.

dreadnought62 on April 29, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Mark Knoller ‏@markknoller 5m

While Pres Obama flying back, VP Biden discusses Ukraine & NATO with Prime Minister Laimdota Straujuma of Latvia. http://www.mk.gov.lv/en/mp/

The Cabinet of Ministers of the Republic of Latvia

Prime Minister Laimdota Straujuma

http://www.mk.gov.lv/en/mp/

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM

While Pres Obama flying back, VP Biden discusses Ukraine & NATO with Prime Minister Laimdota Straujuma of Latvia.

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM

What could possibly go wrong?

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Raining here Bish,….oh lathe thingy not good!

You gots a skidder??:)

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:10 AM

No, it’s not good, I’ve got other lathes but this one is my CNC Jet machine.

Don’t you have a skid? Everyone should have their own skid.

Bishop on April 29, 2014 at 9:15 AM

Alternate headline: Second look at the NSA?

You mean…

Alternate headline: Proper use of the NSA.

It is nice to see our government using the NSA for its original mission. You know spying on Russia, China, etc. Not on American citizens, congress, and learning the details of Merkel’s food bill.

You know how I know the NSA has not been doing its job? All of our government intelligence folks would not have been so confused and shocked by Putin’s intervention into Crimea in the first place.

So the NSA does have a use…just not the way they have been used.

William Eaton on April 29, 2014 at 9:15 AM

Don’t be silly, it’s the last week of April. How could it possibly be snowing? ;0

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Happy Nomad:

No Keystone pipeLine, ….No Justice/ No Peace

Polar Vortex Part 3 Cometh,..sorry Bishop,..your
collateral damage!–:0
(snark)

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:16 AM

Bishop, is a skid steer full of mud anything like a hovercraft full of eels? Sometimes I think the state dept is using one of those Monty Python translation dictionaries. Good luck fixing that lathe motor, that used to be one of my jobs, CNC repairman. It’s raining here also, pretty depressing.

Mini-14 on April 29, 2014 at 9:18 AM

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
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Photo: Activist holds Russian flag during storming of Lugansk government building in eastern Ukraine – @RT_com

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/461130602687655937/photo/1

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:21 AM

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:10 AM

No, it’s not good, I’ve got other lathes but this one is my CNC Jet machine.

Don’t you have a skid? Everyone should have their own skid.

Bishop on April 29, 2014 at 9:15 AM

Bishop: I see,…no skidder,..but, that would break trail nicely tho!:)

http://www.cat.com/en_US/products/new/equipment/skidders.html

http://www.cat.com/en_US/products/new/equipment/skidders/wheel-skidders.html

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:26 AM

…Kerry said at a private meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Washington. A recording of Kerry’s remarks was obtained by The Daily Beast.

Maybe a better use of energy would be to question why the SOS was speaking privately to the “Trilateral Commission”, with selected portions to be carefully leaked by selected media? Perhaps looking into the workings of our own the NWO shadow government might be at least as useful as worrying about the Ukraine at the moment?

bofh on April 29, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Sooo….the Russkies know about the NSA’s penchant for eavesdropping on phone calls and are so sure that Wilhelm I & Bismarck Obama & Kerry won’t do squat that they’re more than happy to blab about it in the clear. Or the Russkies thought their encryption kung fu was good enough to defeat NSA snooping, and we just let them know that’s not the case, but didn’t get anything tangible in return for revealing our intel capability.

Man, I got to get me a case of this Smart Power stuff these guys are drinking.

dreadnought62 on April 29, 2014 at 9:01 AM

In theory, if Obama was planning to take real action, this would be a good way of blowing holes the “non-interventionist” narrative, which is that the overthrow of the Yanukovych government was a CIA coup plot executed by Ukrainian neo-Nazis, while the uprising in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea is a 100% legitimate grassroots uprising against fascism with no Russian involvement whatsoever.

Of course, this would be useful if Obama was going to do anything, which we all know he isn’t. It’s just more infantile political point scoring from the White House.

Doomberg on April 29, 2014 at 9:26 AM

First World Order problems (part 2)

The Army has officially banned soldiers from wearing “toe shoes” while training. Not because they can cause real harm if you aren’t an experience runner but because they take away style points-

Those shoes that feature five separate, individual compartments for the toes, detract from a professional military image and are prohibited for wear with the IPFU or when conducting physical training in military formation.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Global Warming? Hello? You ignorant homophobe, read a math book sometime and brush up on reality.

Bishop on April 29, 2014 at 9:06 AM

And here I thought it was the fact you live in a state with 7 months of winter.

Steve Eggleston on April 29, 2014 at 9:27 AM

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:12 AM

What could possibly go wrong?

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Happy Nomad: Gawd,..I hope GaffeBiden doesn’t pull a biker-chic
restaurant lap thingy!:)—(sarc)

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:28 AM

In theory, if Obama was planning to take real action, this would be a good way of blowing holes the “non-interventionist” narrative, which is that the overthrow of the Yanukovych government was a CIA coup plot executed by Ukrainian neo-Nazis, while the uprising in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea is a 100% legitimate grassroots uprising against fascism with no Russian involvement whatsoever.

Well gee, how can you expect people to see through this lie after “centuries” of relentless Soviet propaganda?

vlad martel on April 29, 2014 at 9:31 AM

My instruments still do not detect any “effs” given in this sector, Jim.

antisense on April 29, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Those shoes that feature five separate, individual compartments for the toes, detract from a professional military image and are prohibited for wear with the IPFU or when conducting physical training in military formation.

Happy Nomad on April 29, 2014 at 9:26 AM

We should disband the military and have it all run by private companies.

antisense on April 29, 2014 at 9:34 AM

I am shocked, SHOCKED that this admenstruation is SHOCKED at the shocking behavior of the Russkies. Just…just… shocking!

vnvet on April 29, 2014 at 9:39 AM

“I’ve had six conversations with Lavrov in the last weeks. The last one was kafta-esque, it was other planet, it was just bizarre. Nobody is better at telling you that red is blue and black is white… That’s what we are dealing with.”

Welcome to the party pal.

This is what every intelligent person has said since Putin took over.

It won’t be the Russians that do us in. It will be the dearth of intelligence exhibited over the course of Mr. Obama’s tenure.

Frankly, I don’t blame Kerry. He’s just inherited the mess Hillary left him and cleaning it up is way beyond his skill-set.

Marcus Traianus on April 29, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Of course, this would be useful if Obama was going to do anything, which we all know he isn’t. It’s just more infantile political point scoring from the White House.

Doomberg on April 29, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Exactly. Obama is so convinced of his own greatness that it appears to be sufficient in his mind to prove that Putin is a meanie. With that established, Putin should now rightfully back down, ashamed of having disappointed the Beneficient Barack with his uncivilized behavior. Of course, if Putin continues with his bad behavior, well, that’s not Obama’s fault: he pointed out the true path. What else can be done without resorting to the methods of the Cowboy Bush?

dreadnought62 on April 29, 2014 at 9:40 AM

We should disband the military and have it all run by private companies.

antisense on April 29, 2014 at 9:34 AM

subject to unionization?

workingclass artist on April 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM

“This is insulting to everybody’s intelligence, let alone to our notions about how we ought to be behaving in the 21st century.

Kerry. Your notions are nothing and have never been, not now, not ever. What a deluded f’tard. He’d be on the deck of the Titanic as the lifeboats went overboard scream “it’s unsinkable everyone, don’t panic.”

Walter L. Newton on April 29, 2014 at 9:42 AM

One could get the impression from Kerry’s statement that he arrogantly thinks by him revealing this the Russians will stop doing it.
As if a mother was telling her children, “A little birdy told me which one of you is taking all the cookies out of the cookie jar….”.

albill on April 29, 2014 at 9:48 AM

“This is insulting to everybody’s intelligence, let alone to our notions about how we ought to be behaving in the 21st century. It’s thuggism, it’s rogue state-ism. It’s the worst order of behavior.” …

Do Kerry and Obama understand how such comments make then look like buffoons?

Sheerq on April 29, 2014 at 9:48 AM

subject to unionization?

workingclass artist on April 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Couldn’t be worse than the current bureaucratic bloat and VA. Perhaps not even if they tried.

antisense on April 29, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Do Kerry and Obama understand how such comments make then look like buffoons?

Sheerq on April 29, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Actually they don’t.

It’s the ultimate irony of the multi-culti, diversity for diversity sakes crowd: it doesn’t occur to them that someone else could see the world differently than them.

dreadnought62 on April 29, 2014 at 9:54 AM

We Canadians,..doin our bit:

Ukraine, Russia political crisis
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CF-18 fighter jets line up in Bagotville before departure for Ukraine support mission – @MHarroldCTV
see original on twitter.com

https://twitter.com/MHarroldCTV/status/461120092806578177/photo/1/large

canopfor on April 29, 2014 at 9:56 AM

Frankly, I don’t blame Kerry. He’s just inherited the mess Hillary left him and cleaning it up is way beyond his skill-set.

Marcus Traianus on April 29, 2014 at 9:39 AM

I’m actually willing to give Kerry a break for the Russia crisis.

He’s basically helpless because he only has as much power as the Obama administration is willing to give him, and since Obama has publicly ruled out the use of force and is using “targeted” sanctions (which should be renamed “symbolic” sanctions) Kerry’s hands are effectively tied.

The problem is with Obama and the people making decisions for him, not Kerry.

Doomberg on April 29, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Meanwhile, the Russians say, “Suck it.”

Ward Cleaver on April 29, 2014 at 10:08 AM

It’s snowing here. I’m in a bad mood. A shop lathe blew a motor this morning. JFKerry is a fool. My skid-steer is full of mud.

Bishop on April 29, 2014 at 9:00 AM

flurries here yesterday morning( 31f at 5am) and presently at 10am its 40f with breeziness.
no seeing apple tree blooms this year.

dmacleo on April 29, 2014 at 10:10 AM

God, the level of contempt Putin has for this collection of losers in the Obama administration must be colossal!!

Deano1952 on April 29, 2014 at 10:16 AM

…He’s basically helpless because he only has as much power as the Obama administration is willing to give him

Doomberg on April 29, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Yes, but what diplomatic purpose does venting his frustration publicly serve? And if the Sec of State is not one of those “making decisions for him”, well advising him at the least, then Kerry should resign as his post is merely a figurehead. But you’re right, Obama is a figurehead too (as implied by your “making decisions for him” formulation).

Fenris on April 29, 2014 at 10:23 AM

“Right now there is not a negotiation; there is a confrontation. I’m sad to report I’ve never seen such a complete, miserable, unaccountable, disgraceful walk away from a set of promises and understandings than what has taken place,” Kerry said. ““I’ve had six conversations with Lavrov in the last weeks. The last one was kafta-esque, it was other planet, it was just bizarre. Nobody is better at telling you that red is blue and black is white… That’s what we are dealing with.”

Kerry’s News of the World: Putin is a liar and Lavrov is a cockroach!

It’s good to see that Smart Power finally woke up and smelled the coffee, after “stupid” Caribou Barbie saw this coming 5-1/2 years ago.

Exit question: What will we DO about it?

Steve Z on April 29, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Right on top of things this government.

crankyoldlady on April 29, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Dear State Department,

Stop trying to build a case for the court of public opinion.

We know Putin is guilty – Now stop him!

All the best,
Mjbrooks3

mjbrooks3 on April 29, 2014 at 11:12 AM

So: let’s have those intercepts.

When the Russian caught Victoria Nuland picking out the leadership of her puppet junta, they didn’t ask everyone to take their word for it, they put it on YouTube and let the world get an earful of Mrs. “F***-the-EU!” When they heard Yulia Tymoshenko, corrupt oligarch and former Prime Minister of Ukraine, raving about her nuclear hatred of ethnic Russians, they did not say “just trust us,” they put it on YouTube and let us judge for ourselves the accuracy of the translation and the spirit of her remarks.

And, so intercepted conversations count now? How novel. Because the mass media, and Hot Air, have been ignoring the basic falsity of the State Department’s narrative and the “smoking gun” YouTubes above for a long time now.

David Blue on April 29, 2014 at 11:21 AM

…does anybody believe horse face?

KOOLAID2 on April 29, 2014 at 11:28 AM

“Russian forces seized Crimea, staged a phony plebiscite, and Russian-directed forces are doing the same thing in eastern Ukraine … and it’s Europe that should be ashamed.”

No. Russian forces, which did not invade Crimea but were entitled to be there anyway, protected a legitimate referendum from the thuggery of the junta; and it’s people pushing a dishonest narrative to gin up a new Cold War against Russia that ought to be ashamed.

I’d mention Kafka again here, but this is less shocking for those who didn’t think that centuries of Russian imperialism and Soviet-style propaganda ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall, especially with a former KGB lieutenant colonel setting himself up as tsar.

The cultural Marxist propaganda and moral corruption is coming from the West now. Russia is moving away from that (while of course keeping a natural reverence for the successes of the Great Patriotic War). The West is moving deeper and deeper away from Christianity and into perversion and corruption.

In Sochi, the anti-Russian media was already pouring hatred on Russia, and the reason was, Russia was moving against homosexual propaganda to corrupt minors, while “we” supporters of “gay marriage” (there’s no such thing) were supposed to hate such backwardness.

And now the State Department, having proved itself dishonest and a sponsor of destructive artificial revolutions in many other contexts, has smashed democracy in Ukraine, and we are supposed to believe everything. Well to hell with that.

David Blue on April 29, 2014 at 11:33 AM

If Vlad would listen to this. All would be well with the world Except for the musselmen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kbJcQYVtZMo

celtic warrior on April 29, 2014 at 11:51 AM

OT but related…

Wanna know why Rand Paul will never be elected president….

Because of stuff like this from his daddy…

Ron Paul: US Sanctions Against Russia “An Act of War”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/ron-paul-us-sanctions-against-russia-an-act-of-war/

workingclass artist on April 29, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Um no… The CIA is directing it like every other conflict in the last 30 years.

Why do the left always project their own deeds onto others?

katy on April 29, 2014 at 12:46 PM

We should disband the military and have it all run by private companies.

antisense on April 29, 2014 at 9:34 AM

subject to unionization?

workingclass artist on April 29, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Makes more sense to privatize the IRS, DOE (both), HHS, EPA, etc.

Law enforcement and the military should never be privatized.

slickwillie2001 on April 29, 2014 at 1:25 PM

We should disband the military and have it all run by private companies.

antisense on April 29, 2014 at 9:34 AM

If what you want is the military reorganized to run on presumptively more efficient business principles rather than military principles, that was already tried in Vietnam. The effect was the efficient output of bombs and barrages, but victory and its auxiliary concepts got lost.

David Blue on April 29, 2014 at 1:40 PM