Rand Paul: Let’s face it, it’s going to be difficult to repeal ObamaCare at this point

posted at 3:21 pm on April 28, 2014 by Allahpundit

Interestingly, it’s Cathy McMorris-Rodgers’s comments about “reforming” rather than repealing the O-Care exchanges that drew most of the blog chatter this weekend, not Rand’s equally eyebrow-raising remarks at Harvard on Friday. Is that because McMorris-Rodgers is guilty of a double heresy, having forecast a new amnesty push this summer too? Or is it because Paul’s conservative bona fides are still in good standing whereas no one trusts the House leadership on anything anymore, starting with ObamaCare? Whatever the reason, McMorris-Rodgers issued a statement this morning aimed at the gullible optimists among us insisting that she’s on Team Repeal all the way. Whew.

What about Rand, though? I can’t find video or a transcript of what he said in Cambridge; National Review says that he reiterated his strong opposition to ObamaCare but was fatalistic about repealing it — in the near-term at least. The Hill’s account makes it sound like his time horizon was longer than that, though:

“I think it’s going to be difficult to turn the clock back. People get assumed and accustomed to receiving things, particularly things that they get for free,” he told a crowd of students at Harvard’s Institute of Politics on Friday…

“I think one of the practical things you might be able to do, and I think the public at large might accept this, is to make ObamaCare voluntary. You make it voluntary, basically you get rid of the coercion,” he said, presumably by eliminating the penalty those without insurance are required to pay, known as the individual mandate.

He said he may keep some parts of the law, like the subsidies to help poor Americans afford insurance, or the Medicaid expansion — two of ObamaCare’s more popular provisions but potentially its more expensive.

“Does that get rid of the subsidies? Not necessarily, or the Medicaid. But I think also we’re going to find out we can’t afford to have everybody on Medicaid, we can’t afford to have everybody on subsidized insurance,” Paul said.

Alternate headline: “Ted Cruz’s ad team pulls all-nighter” — which would be ironic, since Paul’s logic here about the difficulty of weaning people off subsidies once they’ve begun is the same as Cruz’s was back in October in pushing the “defund” effort (which Paul tepidly supported). All Rand’s saying, really, is that repeal becomes much harder once a program’s in place and people have come to rely on it. Cruz couldn’t agree more, I assume, which is not to say he won’t have lots of fun punishing Paul for his “defeatism” in the primaries.

In a sense, all he’s giving you here is the ObamaCare version of his straight talk on abortion with David Axelrod. America’s not going to change its abortion laws, he said, because there isn’t enough consensus to do so. There may be enough consensus to draw a firm legal line at third-trimester abortions but there certainly isn’t a consensus for an all-out ban like social cons want. The trick for voters is deciding how much of that statement is descriptive and how much is prescriptive. How much political capital would President Paul devote to shaping a consensus on abortion? How much would he devote to shaping a consensus on ObamaCare’s repeal? The first requirement of a tea-party champion is that he resist establishment conventional wisdom and fight for his principles, even if he’s all but guaranteed to lose. It was Cruz’s insight that he could win politically that way by leading on “defund” even though he was destined to lose on the merits. I don’t know why, frankly, Paul would leave himself open to attacks from Cruz on that point by taking these quasi-fatalistic views about hot-button conservative issues. Presumably it’s because his top priority is showing the establishment that he can play nice, and hinting that he wouldn’t rock the boat terribly much on abortion and, especially, ObamaCare is one way to do that. But he’s got to get through the primaries first. Why make things easier on Cruz?

As for the merits, I don’t think repealing the mandate would do much to weaken the overall law at this point. It would be a moral victory insofar as it jettisoned the most overtly coercive element of O-Care, the one that got away at the Supreme Court two years ago, but yanking it out of the ObamaCare jenga tower now wouldn’t topple the whole structure. That might have happened if the Court had struck it down before the exchanges launched; without the mandate in place scaring twentysomethings into buying insurance this year, the risk pools might have been overloaded with the old and sick, premiums might have shot up in 2015, and suddenly we’re in death-spiral country. As it is, they’ve got somewhere between six million and eight million paying customers enrolled, roughly 28 percent of whom are “young invincibles.” That’s well short of their target of 39 percent last year but enough that premiums aren’t expected to skyrocket next year to make up for missing revenue. But even if the mandate had been nullified by the Supremes, that still might not have nuked O-Care; remember, for all intents and purposes, the mandate has already been repealed. It’s basically hortatory, a nudge to adults (especially young adults) to sign up but not something that’s being seriously enforced. It was the White House PR outreach to twentysomethings that did most of the work in getting them to sign up, I think, not the mandate. In which case, what’s really achieved at this point by getting rid of it?

Exit question: If we drop the mandate and keep the exchanges and the subsidies and the Medicaid expansion, as Paul envisions, then we’re basically adopting O-Care, right?


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Hillary/Paul, 2016, together

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2014 at 3:22 PM

And the hits keep coming!

dreadnought62 on April 28, 2014 at 3:22 PM

“Single payer is marvelous” — Rand Paul

From Angola to Zimbabwe there are NO mandates.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2014 at 3:23 PM

B-b-but….muh narrative!

joana promised us that if we played the long game we could get “incremental gains” and eventually we’d win on Obamacare. Say it ain’t so, St. Rand!

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Wake up America, or catapult to the abyss.

Here’s laughing at all the American sheeple.

L.i.b. Sorry Flora Duh, for your grandkids. Blame the Rs, the sissies of the world. They enable the D-rats.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Anyone still think the political process will fix this country?

If you do you are gonna be disappointed.

bgibbs1000 on April 28, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Rand Paul is officially the second lilliputian, right after obama.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM

When you want to teach someone not to touch a hot stove, do you lecture them about thermodynamics and heat conduction?

Nope. You let them touch the stove and feel a sharp pain. Soon, most people learn to avoid hot stoves.

Obamacare wasn’t a hot enough stove, unfortunately. And now, like every other entitlement, we’ll never be rid of it. It will ossify, and we will continue to slide ever leftward, until we’re plump and ready to join the EU.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM

“I think it’s going to be difficult to turn the clock back. People get assumed and accustomed to receiving things, particularly things that they get for free,”

So if it’s hard, he won’t do it?

He only wants to work on things that are easy to do?

Yeah, well you are elected to do the tough job, the easy stuff we can all do.

right2bright on April 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM

So sick of the $hit. Romney couldn’t challenge Obamacare because SCOTUS would take care of it– just wait they said. We couldn’t challenge it before it passed, because we didn’t have Republican majorities — just wait they said.. Now, we can’t change it all.

I give up on anyone in this party. I am sorry, but Paul is talking like a moderate left leaning loon lately and not the supposed libertarian/conservative leaner he is.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Help me, Obi Cruz; you’re our only hope.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM

He’s wrong. It will be easy to repeal it. That’s why we already repealed it.

Oh wait. . .

Skipity on April 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM

“I think it’s going to be difficult to turn the clock back. People get assumed and accustomed to receiving things, particularly things that they get for free,” he told a crowd of students at Harvard’s Institute of Politics on Friday…

How difficult was it to turn the clock forward? No one’s getting anything for free. The economic impact of Obamacare is yet to be felt, but it will be in due time, particularly by the poorest, that have to pay for this thing as much as anybody. Paul is just exposing what he knows to be the truth – the GOP never had any intention of repealing Obamacare.

rickv404 on April 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Hard to repeal Soviet Union too. But they did it.

the_nile on April 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Ran

d Paul: Let’s face it, it’s going to be difficult to repeal ObamaCare at this point

I stand in awe of this man’s skills.

Frank Lib on April 28, 2014 at 3:28 PM

“We cant do anything , but I like to keep my cushy job.”

the_nile on April 28, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Rand has been dead to me for awhile now…

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:29 PM

“I think it’s going to be difficult to turn the clock back. People get assumed and accustomed to receiving things…”

So if someone is an alcoholic, let him/her stay as that…if they are on drugs, let them continue because it’s really difficult to “turn the clock back”.

Oh, and if congress is used to spending, let’s not stop that, they “assume and are accustomed”.

Don’t pay child support? That’s okay, if they are accustomed to that, can’t turn the clock back, so why make them start paying now?

Stealing? Why not, if they are accustomed and expect it, why not keep stealing, can’t stop them because it is difficult to reform a thief…

Good grief…it it was easy you idiot, we wouldn’t need someone to represent us.

right2bright on April 28, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Help me, Obi Cruz; you’re our only hope.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM

:)

He’s wrong. It will be easy to repeal it. That’s why we already repealed it.

Oh wait. . .

Skipity on April 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM

1) We could have had a nominee that fought it, and not the grandfather of it.

2) We could have defunded it.

3) We could have our party challenge Obama in court for all of his “executive changes” he made to the law

4) We could have DEFUNDED IT…

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Joana says you are all crazy and that the GOP will do the right thing on our behalf, she also says to go eff yourself you stupid dummy dolt crazy effers.

That is all.

Bishop on April 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Paul is just exposing what he knows to be the truth – the GOP never had any intention of repealing Obamacare.

rickv404 on April 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM

If he was exposing this, he would be saying something like, “the republicans never intended on repealing.” But it sounds to me like he is saying he supports keeping it. How can it sound any different than that to you?

Truth is he’s always been the same spineless opportunist ninny that his father was.

oldroy on April 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

My goodness, this is getting to be like a soap opera: The Daily Gaffes of Rand Paul.”

Way to go, Paul. Let’s just throw the towel in. Give up, right? That’s the strategy!

Poor wittle Rand. Foot in mouth disease–just like his weirdo Dad. Rand’s such a cute little man.

Bob Davis on April 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Joana says you are all crazy and that the GOP will do the right thing on our behalf, she also says to go eff yourself you stupid dummy dolt crazy effers.

That is all.

Bishop on April 28, 2014 at 3:31

Like I said earlier, Joana is the secret love child of Panther and Meredith..

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

VIDEO: Rand Paul also has shown his contempt for those who oppose illegal alien amnesty and want immigration laws enforced. See here: http://youtu.be/pxQjlS7JwMo

bluegill on April 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

The fact that Cathy McMorris-Rodgers had to recant shows that there is no support in the GOP for reform. You outright repeal the thing.

They do not have the balls to do it until there is a Republican president in power, as long as it isn’t closet democrats Christie or Jeb.

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

This is extremely, extremely disappointing.

“All Rand’s saying, really, is that repeal becomes much harder once a program’s in place and people have come to rely on it.”

Two false premises here- the program is NOT in place, some strange bastardized revised 31 times version is in place, with massive chunks of this monstrosity delayed until after Earflaps the Futile is deposed.

Secondly, people have not come to rely on it in any appreciably large way- the numbers provided by the cryptkeeper ministry are made up, so any nonsense about 8 million signing up is unverifiable excrement.

Obamacide is junk, its ruinous and it will end up destroying what’s left of our healthcare system if it isn’t flushed.

Oh, but Congress has waivers from having obamacide inflicted on them and their families- so it’s all good.

Yeah, thanks for fightin’ the good fight there, Random.

GrassMudHorsey on April 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

I liked Rand when I thought he was different and principled.

If I wanted a typical mealy-mouthed politician I’d just back Jeb Bush or someone of that caliber.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Joana says you are all crazy and that the GOP will do the right thing on our behalf, she also says to go eff yourself you stupid dummy dolt crazy effers.

That is all.

Bishop on April 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Close Hot Air.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

right2bright on April 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Thank you and Amen!

tomshup on April 28, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Coffin nails.

TinFin on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

They do not have the balls to do it until there is a Republican president in power, as long as it isn’t closet democrats Christie or Jeb.

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Actually, the truth is worse. They don’t have the balls to do it even with a GOP President if, by that time, the ACA is popular/entrenched enough that polling shows people against repeal.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Rand Paul now whines like obama, nice!

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Slavery is here to stay too, it’s simply too big and too many people are economically involved to repeal it.

We need to look at making incremental changes from the inside such as allowing slaves more free time, reducing the number of lashes for talkin’ back to massa from 50 to 30, things like that.

And Joana says all of you are crazy.

Bishop on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Exit question: If we drop the mandate and keep the exchanges and the subsidies and the Medicaid expansion, as Paul envisions, then we’re basically adopting O-Care, right?

If you drop the mandate, allow companies to sell medically underwritten policies (just adopt any of the “if you like it you can keep it” many bills) and get rid of the insurance risk corridors, there won’t be an Obamacare.

There will be an Obamacare on a death spiral.

That’s the only way of repealing it. Only crazies believe an outright repeal will be possible.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Is joana still trolling in that Rand thread that fell off?

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Cruz won’t get it done either. Just no going to happen.

bgibbs1000 on April 28, 2014 at 3:35 PM

I don’t suppose it’s occurred to anyone that as far as the mandate penalty tax is concerned, someone, somewhere, is carefully maintaining records of who owes what on it.

You know, for a rainy day.

EvilMonk on April 28, 2014 at 3:36 PM

So if it’s hard, he won’t do it?

He only wants to work on things that are easy to do?

Yeah, well you are elected to do the tough job, the easy stuff we can all do.

right2bright on April 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM

It’s the new pioneer spirit. “Cant be done”

the_nile on April 28, 2014 at 3:36 PM

How far off was I?

6PM HotAir.

Breaking News. “Rand Paul”

“Read my lips, I always wanted to vote for Obamacare, because it’s really not THAT bad.”

MontanaMmmm on April 23, 2014 at 4:07 PM

MontanaMmmm on April 28, 2014 at 3:36 PM

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Sure we could have. Maybe Obama would have just signed into law something defending his only “achievement” because of the pressure applied by the MSM and the 47% of voters who voted for Romney.

Maybe if we just pushed it to default the GOP wouldn’t have been blamed for it.

Or maybe you’re living in fantasy land and it will be hard to repeal Obamacare without the help of people like Collins from Maine.

Skipity on April 28, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Cruz won’t get it done either. Just no going to happen.

bgibbs1000 on April 28, 2014 at 3:35 PM

He tried , he’ll try again.

the_nile on April 28, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Rand Paul is for Medicaid expansion? Okay, he’s now on my “campaign against” list.

Medicaid is a terrible program. States would be better off going to a state-designed public health program. Of the entire bunch of Republicans, Jindal is the only one I’ve seen that comprehends this.

On Obamacare, there’s been enough damage done to our healthcare system that we can’t simply repeal. We’d have to repeal and replace, with the policies of “replace” moving healthcare back in a patient/provider increased free-market influence direction.

If Obamacare stands, the “Secretary shall determine” provisions can be used to move the healthcare industry in this “replace” direction.

But most of the Republicans we have Congress can’t be trusted to do this. Apparently including Rand Paul.

lineholder on April 28, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Only crazies believe an outright repeal will be possible.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

“Oh well, might as well just give up and import +50 million more “workers” and jack up the debt.

Rand Paul is a clown.

If I wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton I would vote for Hillary Clinton.

tetriskid on April 28, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Actually, the truth is worse. They don’t have the balls to do it even with a GOP President if, by that time, the ACA is popular/entrenched enough that polling shows people against repeal.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Nope. People will know what deductibles are by that time. People wil want to know why they are paying for insurance that doesn’t pay for any care.

oldroy on April 28, 2014 at 3:37 PM

That’s the only way of repealing it. Only crazies believe an outright repeal will be possible.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Nope, we can just have our GOP cancel it with a stoke of a pen.. If it is good for the geese..

BTW, weren’t you bi+ching earlier at Cindy about being labeled?

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Jeesh, Rand sounds like a democrat. ObamaCare is not free!!!

During the 3-1/2 years of World War II – that started with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor
in December 1941 and ended with the Surrender of Germany and
Japan in 1945:
the U.S. produced 22 aircraft carriers,
8 battleships,
48 cruisers,
349 destroyers,
420 destroyer escorts,
203 submarines,
34 million tons of merchant ships,
100,000 fighter aircraft,
98,000 bombers,
24,000 transport aircraft,
58,000 training aircraft,
93,000 tanks,
257,000 artillery pieces,
105,000 mortars,
3,000,000 machine guns,
and 2,500,000 military trucks.

We put 16.1 million men in uniform in the various armed
services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the
battle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched
across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb,
and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany.

It’s worth noting that during the almost exact amount of
time, the Obama administration couldn’t build a web
site.

redguy on April 28, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Actually, the truth is worse. They don’t have the balls to do it even with a GOP President if, by that time, the ACA is popular/entrenched enough that polling shows people against repeal.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

The ACA is like the medicare “doc fix.” If ever truly implemented as written there will be an outright repeal effort. All of Obama’s extralegal actions have delayed the painful portions and there is STILL over 50-60% oppose numbers.

Who thinks this number goes down when all the other mandates kick in?

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Rand Paul is now officially disqualified to become Surgeon General of the USA.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

That’s the only way of repealing it. Only crazies believe an outright repeal will be possible.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

So we can get rid of everything that would potentially make the ACA work in the long run (under extremely optimistic projections) and basically turn it into a zombie program that will collapse under its own weight, but we can’t just repeat it because….wizards? Solar winds? Pixie dust? Ninja magic?

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

It’s the new pioneer spirit. “Cant be done”

the_nile on April 28, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Lewis and Clark got 200 yards downriver and said “Eff this, I’m tired of rowing, let’s go back.”

Bishop on April 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

They do not have the balls to do it until there is a Republican president in power, as long as it isn’t closet democrats Christie or Jeb.

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:32 PM

What does it have to do with “having the balls”? Do you understand that the Constitution requires the President’s approval on every bill and piece of legislation? Which means the President has a veto power? How exactly would you go in their place?

Funnily enough, this is exactly the kind of person that is going to shout “protect the Constitution!”.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

The ACA is like the medicare “doc fix.” If ever truly implemented as written there will be an outright repeal effort. All of Obama’s extralegal actions have delayed the painful portions and there is STILL over 50-60% oppose numbers.

Who thinks this number goes down when all the other mandates kick in?

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Heh, then a Republican President and Congress should fully implement ObamaCare…..
The democrats would then be screaming for repeal……

redguy on April 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

What’s that bumper sticker that says, “Before I gave up hope…something…something, but now I feel much better”?

Cleombrotus on April 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Joana says you are all crazy and that the GOP will do the right thing on our behalf, she also says to go eff yourself you stupid dummy dolt crazy effers.

That is all.

Bishop on April 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Perfectly encapsulated.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

I know people hate to hear it, but

the 2012 election was the last best hope, and we put our eggs in the Romneycare basket… also Roberts screwed the country.

Best current hope, back to Supreme Court, or win the Senate, House, White House with enough ballsy people to sunset the law. Immediate repeal would shock too many. Better to sunset and take people off slowly.

El_Terrible on April 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

They’re NOT TRYING. At all.

Why is nobody standing to explain to the average person that all the ‘nice’ promises about ‘government taking care of people’ can’t work. Won’t work. And will leave us is dire economic circumstances down the road. We’re going to be a national Detroit.

People are going to be much worse off for these promises.

As for healthcare, we’re going to be paying more for less care/medicine, and eventually the system will crash.

But make no mistake, the political elite and the super rich will have all the healthcare they need or want. But not you and me or our families.

LilyBart on April 28, 2014 at 3:40 PM

For quite a while I was thinking that something was wrong with me because I like neither Rand no Ron Paul. Now I realize I wasn’t wrong just wary. He and his dad are squishes. They are just a different side of the squish coin. Boehner, McCain, McConnell, Cantor are out front about it. The Paul’s are underground. Here lately Rand Paul has been showing his true colors.

Remember when Reagan was up against these same types of RINOs? How did he defeat them and get elected and re-elected in a landslide? By being a rock-ribbed conservative.

To me Ted Cruz has been the only choice.

I am sick and tired of these so-called Republicans throwing everything we hold dear under the bus. I expect it from the evil Dems but not the R’s.

Just think of how far we would already have been up in the polls if we had just had some committed Republicans to come out and articulate conservative views.

What do we have lately but folks who keep reinforcing the sterotype that R’s are out-of-touch, that Obamacare can’t be repealed, that amnesty is a swell idea?

neyney on April 28, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Too bad.

Bmore on April 28, 2014 at 3:40 PM

So we can get rid of everything that would potentially make the ACA work in the long run (under extremely optimistic projections) and basically turn it into a zombie program that will collapse under its own weight, but we can’t just repeat it because….wizards? Solar winds? Pixie dust? Ninja magic?

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Because you won’t have enough votes. Basically for the same reason you can’t outright repeal Medicare or Medicaid or Social Security. Because some parts of the program are super popular.

Fortunately Obamacare was designed in a way that allows politicians to take it down without having to pay a political price for it.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Sure we could have. Maybe Obama would have just signed into law something defending his only “achievement” because of the pressure applied by the MSM and the 47% of voters who voted for Romney.

Maybe if we just pushed it to default the GOP wouldn’t have been blamed for it.

Or maybe you’re living in fantasy land and it will be hard to repeal Obamacare without the help of people like Collins from Maine.

Skipity on April 28, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Again, you take him to COURT for his governmental overreach. Defunding OBamacare wouldn’t have “defaulted” anything, especially now that the populace hates it.

My GOd, no wonder the left wins on things that are unwinnable like gay marriage. They NEVER STOP FIGHTING. We just roll over like fvcking whipped dogs.. “Well it can’t be done.” I hate the GOP as much as the Dems. If this is the type of nomination and attitude we get, I will just vote for Hilary. What the hell is the difference?

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Lewis and Clark got 200 yards downriver and said “Eff this, I’m tired of rowing, let’s go back.”

Bishop on April 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Good thing Kathleen Sebelius was like a modern day Sacajawea.

oldroy on April 28, 2014 at 3:41 PM

So if it’s hard, he won’t do it?

He only wants to work on things that are easy to do?

Yeah, well you are elected to do the tough job, the easy stuff we can all do.

right2bright on April 28, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I guess Boehner needs to get to mocking Rand pronto.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM

We will never make it to the moon this way.

Bmore on April 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM

He’s right. Sorry if you don’t want to hear that, but it’s true.

I said this before the 2012 election. I’m sure my posts are lurking around here somewhere if someone wants to verify my consistency. :-)

I said that once Obamacare was implemented, even if it was badly implemented, you would never repeal it. The 2012 election was our last chance to undo it, and we blew it. So stick a fork in it. It’s done.

People are now getting their freebies. Yes, there’s a significant percentage that have had their plans cancelled. But there’s even a more significant percentage that are getting government subsidies to purchase plans, or qualifying under expanded Medicaid coverage, or whatever.

I don’t like it either, but I accept reality. Obamacare is here to stay.

Shump on April 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM

I know people hate to hear it, but

the 2012 election was the last best hope, and we put our eggs in the Romneycare basket… also Roberts screwed the country.

Best current hope, back to Supreme Court, or win the Senate, House, White House with enough ballsy people to sunset the law. Immediate repeal would shock too many. Better to sunset and take people off slowly.

El_Terrible on April 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

YOU’RE OBVIOUSLY A COMMUNIST!11|!! /trucon

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM

What does it have to do with “having the balls”? Do you understand that the Constitution requires the President’s approval on every bill and piece of legislation? Which means the President has a veto power? How exactly would you go in their place?

Funnily enough, this is exactly the kind of person that is going to shout “protect the Constitution!”.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

So with a GOP President and Congress we’ll be able to enfeeble the ACA but not repeal it, which somehow makes sense because….

(Psst. Here’s where you’re supposed to actually make an argument to support your premise.)

The only thing stopping repeal would be if it polled poorly at the time. But I can’t imagine an electorate that somehow votes for a GOP Congress, votes for a GOP President, but supports keeping Obamacare.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:43 PM

And why do we need to repeal it anyway? It was implemented via executive orders and exceptions, it can be killed via executive orders and exemptions.

Skipity on April 28, 2014 at 3:43 PM

What the hell is the difference?

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 3:41 PM

There is no difference. Most especially with Rand. Come on comet!!

oldroy on April 28, 2014 at 3:43 PM

If he was exposing this, he would be saying something like, “the republicans never intended on repealing.” But it sounds to me like he is saying he supports keeping it. How can it sound any different than that to you?

oldroy on April 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Because he’s not the only one among Republicans that have been saying for the last few years that Obamacrap would not be repealed (Robert Corker and Norman Coleman to name two). Because Republicans passed their own health-care expansion with Medicare Part D. Because Republicans by and large tow the liberal line. I say we need to repeal and replace the GOP.

rickv404 on April 28, 2014 at 3:43 PM

As for the merits, I don’t think repealing the mandate would do much to weaken the overall law at this point.

huh? i thought the mandate was a really important part of the law.

As it is, they’ve got somewhere between six million and eight million paying customers enrolled

i’m not so sure about that. i don’t trust that they are honest about the numbers of people who have paid. i think they are counting the people who put a plan in their shopping cart.

remember, for all intents and purposes, the mandate has already been repealed.

maybe for now but eventually it’s going to have to be enforced, i think. i thought that was one of the major components of the law. maybe i’m wrong, though. who knows.

Sachiko on April 28, 2014 at 3:43 PM

YOU’RE OBVIOUSLY A COMMUNIST!11|!! /trucon

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM
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You are the biggest twit to ever grace Hotair. You bi+ch about labels, all the while screeching "trucon, trucon, trucon." God, I would rather deal with two blugills than you..

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Best current hope, back to Supreme Court, or win the Senate, House, White House with enough ballsy people to sunset the law. Immediate repeal would shock too many. Better to sunset and take people off slowly.

El_Terrible on April 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

I disagree. Just repeal it – rip it off, just like a band aid.
The deadbeats and moochers will scream about repeal either way. A sunset just gives them more time to cry and get their sob stories on the news.

As for Paul, I am now REALLY starting to cool on him. He’s going way too moderate here.

DRayRaven on April 28, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Don’t worry ya’ll! If you donate $100 today to the Tea Party Patriots and Friends of True Americans Under Liberty RIGHT NOW they will be able to win in November and repeal Obamacare!*

*actual donation size to candidates is $0.03 dollars

antisense on April 28, 2014 at 3:44 PM

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:40 PM

We don’t have to have the votes.

It is possible to alter the trajectory of Obamacare.

So why isn’t Rand promoting that this is what we should do? He’s a doctor, too, so he knows it can be done.

lineholder on April 28, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Exit question: If we drop the mandate and keep the exchanges and the subsidies and the Medicaid expansion, as Paul envisions, then we’re basically adopting O-Care, right?

If you drop the mandate, allow companies to sell medically underwritten policies (just adopt any of the “if you like it you can keep it” many bills) and get rid of the insurance risk corridors, there won’t be an Obamacare.

There will be an Obamacare on a death spiral.

That’s the only way of repealing it. Only crazies believe an outright repeal will be possible.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:34 PM

I’m offended by your crazies comment. If you cannot comment without insulting your audience, they will not follow you over the cliff.

TinFin on April 28, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Bmore, please make Rand Paul the small guy, with caption “It’s so difficult”.

Thanks.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Exit question: If we drop the mandate and keep the exchanges and the subsidies and the Medicaid expansion, as Paul envisions, then we’re basically adopting O-Care, right?

Sort of.

As I see it, the employer and coverage mandates are the most damaging parts of the law. Forcing small business to provide coverage or be fined out of business, and forcing everyone to purchase coverage they don’t want or need, at much higher prices, is principally what drives up premiums/deductibles and kills jobs.

Most significant of these mandates is guaranteed issue (pre-existing conditions) as it not only drives up cost but also incentivizes healthy people NOT to pay for coverage and the death spiral of the risk pools. Unfortunately it is also the toughest to get rid of once in place.

The subsidies and Medicaid expansion are a different problem. Those are very bad news for the fiscal health of the nation and of the individual states, but have much less direct and immediate impact on jobs and on those who are purchasing policies or have coverage through their employer.

Missy on April 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM

UGH

*shines up Perry girl badge*

gophergirl on April 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM

I know people hate to hear it, but

the 2012 election was the last best hope, and we put our eggs in the Romneycare basket… also Roberts screwed the country.

Best current hope, back to Supreme Court, or win the Senate, House, White House with enough ballsy people to sunset the law. Immediate repeal would shock too many. Better to sunset and take people off slowly.

El_Terrible on April 28, 2014 at 3:39 PM

We kinda lack those ballsy types. What you propose ain’t happening either.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM

You are the biggest twit to ever grace Hotair. You bi+ch about labels, all the while screeching “trucon, trucon, trucon.” God, I would rather deal with two blugills than you..

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 3:44 PM

+100000000000000

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

The problem I see is that the real hammer is the employer mandate, and Obama has illegitimately seized the power to delay it. People don’t really like Obamacare now, but the fallout from its imposition would cause the kind of political tsunami necessary to dislodge it.

There is no doubt in my mind that he will delay it until after the 2016 election so that what he hopes will be a Democrat successor will ease it into place (or put it in quickly and blame Obama).

Paul is probably right in practical terms as far as the immediate future, but he sounds like a defeatist in trying to talk about it now. We’re not going to override Obama’s veto for the next 2 years, but a GOP congress and president can absolutely repeal it in full – either through reconciliation or just nuking what’s left of the filibuster.

At least those of you worried about Paul and Cruz splitting the conservative vote should start to feel better about things.

crrr6 on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

We won’t be able to repeal before 0bama is gone, but I doubt it will be so hard afterwards.

Sekhmet on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Because you won’t have enough votes. Basically for the same reason you can’t outright repeal Medicare or Medicaid or Social Security. Because some parts of the program are super popular.

Fortunately Obamacare was designed in a way that allows politicians to take it down without having to pay a political price for it.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:40 PM

So you think the electorate is smart enough to understand the nuanced views of the GOP and why it’s better than the Dems and their promises of shiny new things, yet so stupid that they won’t notice an obvious shell game of just blowing up all the foundations of the ACA without actually formally repealing it.

Awesome.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Amnesty, raising taxes, funding nationalized healthcare, cutting veteran benefits, gutting the military– The GOP’s agenda sounds no different than the Democrats.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Bmore, joana cheering them on w/b even better.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Rand Paul: Let’s face it, it’s going to be difficult to repeal ObamaCare at this point

…so!…he is a fake fighter!

KOOLAID2 on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

What does it have to do with “having the balls”? Do you understand that the Constitution requires the President’s approval on every bill and piece of legislation? Which means the President has a veto power? How exactly would you go in their place?

Funnily enough, this is exactly the kind of person that is going to shout “protect the Constitution!”.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM

I guess you don’t understand the meaning of coequal branches of government. The congress just doesn’t have to pass any funding for any of the democrats pet projects should they win this year. A unified house and senate can force Obama to do whatever they want.

Last I checked, Obama doesn’t write the bills.

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

So with a GOP President and Congress we’ll be able to enfeeble the ACA but not repeal it, which somehow makes sense because….

(Psst. Here’s where you’re supposed to actually make an argument to support your premise.)

The only thing stopping repeal would be if it polled poorly at the time. But I can’t imagine an electorate that somehow votes for a GOP Congress, votes for a GOP President, but supports keeping Obamacare.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Of course. You live in an alternative reality where Medicare or Medicaid were repealed when the GOP won the trifecta, right?

Sadly, I’m reality based, so we’re obviously talking about two different worlds.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Thanks for that self-fulfilling prophecy, Rand. Now run along lad, your daddy is calling you now that you’ve reached your expiration date.

The more both Parties begin to echo the same familiar refrain and tell me to just give up and accept the status quo – the more my rebellious Conservative nature is inclined to vote havoc on the Party that betrayed me most.

If it all has to burn down – then it will burn down on my terms. And I will scorch the earth in my retreat.

Augustinian on April 28, 2014 at 3:47 PM

The subsidies and Medicaid expansion are a different problem. Those are very bad news for the fiscal health of the nation and of the individual states, but have much less direct and immediate impact on jobs and on those who are purchasing policies or have coverage through their employer.

Missy on April 28, 2014 at 3:45 PM

I’m going to have to disagree with you this one. Medicaid is likely to have a huge impact at the state level which will require increase in income/business/sales/property taxes to cover the increased burden of costs placed on the state. That will impact job growth.

lineholder on April 28, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Might as well vote for Lizzie Warren.

Seriously. What will the federal government actually do significantly differently under a Warren Administration than it would under a Paul Administration?

fadetogray on April 28, 2014 at 3:48 PM

well I guess if they can’t be bothered to repeal it I can’t be bothered to vote for them…game over

DanMan on April 28, 2014 at 3:48 PM

I guess you don’t understand the meaning of coequal branches of government. The congress just doesn’t have to pass any funding for any of the democrats pet projects should they win this year. A unified house and senate can force Obama to do whatever they want.

Last I checked, Obama doesn’t write the bills.

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Do you realize that most of the funding for Obamacare was built to happen automatically unless Congress explicitly acts to stop it, not the other way around? The House can refuse to pass any spending bills and that still will not stop the money from going to Obamacare. That’s the way the law was written for a reason.

The only way to stop the funding is to pass a bill that explicitly defunds the law, and then have it either get signed by the President or have a veto-proof majority in support of it. Neither of which can happen at this point.

Shump on April 28, 2014 at 3:48 PM

I guess you don’t understand the meaning of coequal branches of government. The congress just doesn’t have to pass any funding for any of the democrats pet projects should they win this year. A unified house and senate can force Obama to do whatever they want.

Last I checked, Obama doesn’t write the bills.

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

No. They can’t. You should read the Constitution.

You know the same Constitution “trucons” like you babble about.

Why do people like you even discuss politics if you don’t have the work ethic and the intellectual curiosity to inform yourself about the most basic facts about our political system? It just seems nonsensical to me.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:48 PM

I like Bill Whittle`s approach. Of course we can`t offer them free stuff or take it away. We need to offer them better (but not free) stuff.

ThePrez on April 28, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Rand Paul has these souls on his soul.

VA director at Phoenix hospital got $9K bonus after 40 vets died from delays

He and Flake/McCain are busy propagandizing for amnesty and obama’care’, while Veterans die and obama pays of his scumhag.

Schadenfreude on April 28, 2014 at 3:49 PM

I guess you don’t understand the meaning of coequal branches of government. The congress just doesn’t have to pass any funding for any of the democrats pet projects should they win this year.

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Obamacare spending is mandatory. Like Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security. Congress doesn’t have to fund anything, it’s automatically fund.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Rand Paul said something his father said in 2008, and I agreed with then and now. This law is here to stay. The people who think this law is going somewhere are crazy.

It’s not a great law or even a good law, but it is a law that is here to stay. Might as well make it better.

coolrepublica on April 28, 2014 at 3:49 PM

And why do we need to repeal it anyway? It was implemented via executive orders and exceptions, it can be killed via executive orders and exemptions.

Skipity on April 28, 2014 at 3:43 PM

The Obama pick and chose doctrine.

the_nile on April 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Did I miss the announcement that the Republican Party has closed its doors, shuttered its windows and left town?

Good heavens.

Fallon on April 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM

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