More Rand Paul: I wholeheartedly endorse Susan Collins for reelection in Maine

posted at 8:01 pm on April 28, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Dan Riehl, people are going nuts over this in the Headlines thread but I don’t know why. He’s not endorsing her over some tea-party primary opponent. She has no primary opponent. He’s endorsing her over the Democrat in the race, Shenna Bellows (whose civil-libertarian cred from working at the ACLU evidently gave Paul no pause).

Even Jim DeMint, who once said he’d rather have 30 principled conservatives in the Senate than a 60-seat majority of RINOs, saw fit to endorse Scott Brown on the eve of his big special election upset in 2010. If Rand can hold an extra Senate seat for the GOP in 2014 by nudging Maine tea partiers to pull the lever for Collins, what’s the harm?

Q: You’re going to join U.S. Sen. Susan Collins for a state party fundraiser today. She’s defended National Security Agency spying programs you oppose, and she’s also running against a Democrat, Shenna Bellows, who comes pretty close to sharing your views on that and other privacy issues. Do you support her, despite disagreement on many of those issues?

A: I wholeheartedly endorse Senator Collins for re-election. I think she’s doing a great job for Maine and for the country. … I don’t really know, exactly, what her position is on the NSA; you’d have to ask her about that.

I just know my position, but I think we’re a big political party. There’s room for not-entire agreement on every issue.

So why are grassroots righties annoyed? Here’s a representative comment from Headlines:

Well, since Collins is running unopposed on the Republican side, it’s logical for Paul to support her over her democrat opponent. However, this is less about “GOP unity” than it is about Rand Paul being desperate to publicly secure his position within the GOP establishment ranks – Republicans would have supported Collins without Rand Paul’s endorsement, so, it’s all pretty meaningless as far as the Maine election goes.

Rand Paul wants to make that everyone knows that he has shifted from the conservative side, to the establishment side – and his ‘wholehearted’ support for Collins is just one more box checked.

Yeah, the “wholehearted” Collins endorsement is interesting mainly as a temperature check on how Paul’s effort to mainstream-ize himself before 2016 is going. Nearly every GOP candidate has a problem with either the establishment or with grassroots conservatives. (The only major contender I can think of who really doesn’t is Scott Walker.) Paul’s problem, needless to say, is with the establishment, who think he’s too dovish, too much like dad, and just too anti-status quo to be a safe pick, so he’s been at pains lately to try to solve it. At some point, between endorsing Mitch McConnell and shifting to a hawkish posture on Russia and running away from Cliven Bundy and making status-quo noises on abortion and ObamaCare, he risks pandering a bit too much to the donor class and thereby irritating his base of righties and libertarians. Backing Collins so effusively when he could have demurred with a simple “I always support Republicans over Democrats” might have been the last straw, definitive proof that he’s “over-correcting.” Bad enough that he’d back McConnell, tea-party enemy number one for the moment, over a grassroots favorite, but to cheer on someone who voted for the stimulus? C’mon.

The risk here isn’t that righties won’t forgive him. He’s already hard at work on a remedial pander, floating a bill to cut foreign aid to the Palestinians unless they recognize Israel’s right to exist. The risk is that he’s putting himself at a disadvantage against Cruz in the battle for tea-party hearts and minds while not reaping any concomitant benefits among the establishmentarians he’s trying to impress. Paul doesn’t expect to win their votes; all he wants is for them to see him as an acceptable nominee, sufficiently status-quo that they won’t unite to destroy him if he pulls an upset in Iowa or New Hampshire. He even met with Romney’s donor network recently, the creme de la creme of the GOP donor class, to make nice. How’s it going so far? You tell me:

The darkest secret in the big money world of the Republican coastal elite is that the most palatable alternative to a nominee such as Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas or Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky would be Clinton, a familiar face on Wall Street following her tenure as a New York senator with relatively moderate views on taxation and financial regulation.

“If it turns out to be Jeb versus Hillary we would love that and either outcome would be fine,” one top Republican-leaning Wall Street lawyer said over lunch in midtown Manhattan last week. “We could live with either one. Jeb versus Joe Biden would also be fine. It’s Rand Paul or Ted Cruz versus someone like Elizabeth Warren that would be everybody’s worst nightmare.”…

Ted Cruz, whose wife works at Goldman Sachs, is viewed negatively by many in the industry for his support of last year’s government shutdown and scorched earth approach to political battle. Cruz fired up an activist gathering in New Hampshire earlier this month with the kind of provocative populist message that makes bankers very nervous. “The rich and powerful, those who walk the corridors of power, are getting fat and happy,” Cruz thundered. At the same event, Paul argued that the GOP “cannot be the party of fat cats, rich people and Wall Street.”

As a wise man recently said, the first duty of establishmentarians is to the establishment, meaning that stopping Paul (or Cruz) will almost certainly take precedence for rich Republicans in 2016 over stopping Hillary. I guess, in theory, with enough pandering Rand could convince them that he’s marginally better than her, but how much pandering could he realistically do before convincing his grassroots fans that he’s sold out and would be as disappointing to righties as president as Obama was to hardcore lefties? Maybe there’s no way out of this bind.


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Who is the crazy old lady?

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Joana is talking about herself in the third person again like Bob Dole.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Buh Bye Rand.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 28, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Clearly you’d prefer him supporting the Democrat in the race…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 8:21 PM
He is.

TinFin on April 28, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Odd… I seem to remember her supporting Mitch McConnell for leadership. Apparently you would be happier if she had supported Harry Reid for leadership.

Please, leave Republican political decision making to Republicans from here on out…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Oh. Okay. We’ll follow your keen decision making skills that brought victories in 2008 and 2012!
Oh wait.

TinFin on April 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Y’all haven’t seen petunia or Meredith-have you?

annoyinglittletwerp on April 28, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Meredith was in the headline thread about S Palin earlier today…

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Who is the crazy old lady?

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Joana is talking about herself in the third person again like Bob Dole.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM

ROTFL!

annoyinglittletwerp on April 28, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Collin’s is one in all but name.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 28, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid and the Maine Republican Party all disagree.

So why on Earth would I ever listen to your opinion of what is and is not a member of the GOP…?

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 8:47 PM

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 8:45 PM

ok wolly that made me spittle the coffee!!!!

OH

Evening all.

CoffeeLover on April 28, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Joana is talking about herself in the third person again like Bob Dole.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Spits beer out…

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Of course, 99% of the Republicans agree with me. This is a non-issue to everyone except the crazies who are always mad and angry at anything that allows them to scream “establishment!1!” from the bottom of their lungs.

Then run on it, Joana. I dare you. I double dare you.

You want to pretend that there isn’t a civil war going on in the GOP. Fine. Whistle your way through that graveyard. Pretend that a lot of grassroot conservatives aren’t distrustful of the establishment and leery of anything that looks or smells of it.

That’s not a “non-issue” and for those who believe so and are willing to run on it, then their Republican Party is going to lose for the third straight election, which hasn’t happened since 1948.

So keep pretending that none of this matters.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Now, perhaps you have some evidence that she isn’t a Republican? I’d very much like to see that…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Anyone can be a Republican. It is a registration thing. It is about conservatism. having people like her in office destroys any hope of ever moving legislation that is conservative.

astonerii on April 28, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Who threw out the chum? Dear Lord-

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Joana is talking about herself in the third person again like Bob Dole.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Now that is hilarious.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 8:51 PM

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 8:51 PM

omg….ok that made me make a mess :0

Hope you are feeling better.

CoffeeLover on April 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM

How many posters here are sending donations to the GOP this election cycle? They aren’t getting a penny from me…

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Who threw out the chum? Dear Lord-

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 8:51 PM

(hides the bucket) :)

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM

I’d have hoped it didn’t come to this. But you’ve lived up to expectations…

From the Maine Republican Party

Now, perhaps you have some evidence that she isn’t a Republican? I’d very much like to see that…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM

I don’t see much there that says “Republican”.

She voted to repeal DADT, she’s for gun-control, AND she voted FOR the damn stimulus – 1 of only 3 (2 1/2 really; Specter already had one foot in the Dem camp) TOTAL GOP votes for it.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Dude, I just spent the past hour reading the 400 comments on the Headline thread — and missed this?

Has Bmore stopped by to tell joana what she can do to herself?

ShainS on April 28, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Good for Rand. Of all the candidates he would get my vote and money.

Ragnar Danneskold on April 28, 2014 at 8:13 PM

I feel ya, brother…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Get a damn room you two!

cableguy615 on April 28, 2014 at 8:54 PM

This is simple.

Rand’s trying to get her support before she throws in with Jeb or Christie.

Considering where she’s from, Colling will have no problem associating herself with Paul. She can’t be down with Cruz, so why just cough her up to the Establishment?

budfox on April 28, 2014 at 8:54 PM

I’d appreciate if this time around there were no attempts to stalk me out of here

joana on April 28, 2014 at 8:30 PM

…I think you ‘talk’ yourself…out of here

KOOLAID2 on April 28, 2014 at 8:54 PM

I don’t see much there that says “Republican”.

She voted to repeal DADT, she’s for gun-control, AND she voted FOR the damn stimulus – 1 of only 3 (2 1/2 really; Specter already had one foot in the Dem camp) TOTAL GOP votes for it.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Yeah, how many of these “Republicans” do we have to go through: Murkowski, Christ, Chafee, Spector..??

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Anyone can be a Republican. It is a registration thing. It is about conservatism. having people like her in office destroys any hope of ever moving legislation that is conservative.

astonerii on April 28, 2014 at 8:50 PM

No. It’s about Maine, electing the best people we can to get rallied behind party leadership to move the ball down the field.

Which, when he is the GOP’s nominee for POTUS, will, in fact, be part of Rand Paul’s job description…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM

I might send Abbott some $$$

annoyinglittletwerp on April 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Heh. I probably won’t go onto the other Rand 400+ comment thread. :)

22044 on April 28, 2014 at 8:57 PM

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 8:51 PM

(hides the bucket) :)

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Hurry up before Meredith,Sheryl,Petunia ect..come circling
around too! ;)

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 8:58 PM

No. It’s about Maine, electing the best people we can to get rallied behind party leadership to move the ball down the field.

Which, when he is the GOP’s nominee for POTUS, will, in fact, be part of Rand Paul’s job description…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Well, I’ll tell you, I see the ball getting moved down the field plenty by the Dems, even when the GOP does have control of all the levers.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 8:58 PM

’d have hoped it didn’t come to this. But you’ve lived up to expectations… From the Maine Republican Party Now, perhaps you have some evidence that she isn’t a Republican? I’d very much like to see that… JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM

If you read that write up,, it’s evidence enough,, including the pork for Bath Ironworks. That’s coming from a Navy guy.

Bipartisan wonderlady is what is says dude. Your link.

She’s mccain with a vajayjay.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Hurry up before Meredith,Sheryl,Petunia ect..come circling
around too! ;)

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 8:58 PM

:) LMAO!

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM

How many posters here are sending donations to the GOP this election cycle? They aren’t getting a penny from me…

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Sent back three of their postage paid RNC letters now, with a half page written on the back…telling them to quit attacking the TEA party, align with them…that they’d still be ogling Botox Beyache’s backside if it wasn’t for the TEA party. Haven’t received a letter in a while. Oh well.

msupertas on April 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Then run on it, Joana. I dare you. I double dare you.

You want to pretend that there isn’t a civil war going on in the GOP. Fine. Whistle your way through that graveyard. Pretend that a lot of grassroot conservatives aren’t distrustful of the establishment and leery of anything that looks or smells of it.

That’s not a “non-issue” and for those who believe so and are willing to run on it, then their Republican Party is going to lose for the third straight election, which hasn’t happened since 1948.

So keep pretending that none of this matters.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Via Dan Riehl, people are going nuts over this in the Headlines thread but I don’t know why.

Because he obviously overrates the mental condition of many of his readers.

TruCons know that endorsing Susan Collins while being a guest speaker at the Maine GOP convention means Rand Paul is just another socialist in disguise.

The vast majority of grassroots conservatives -starting with the 1500 who were at the state convention in Maine- couldn’t care less about this. They’re fully aware that any potential GOP nominee will endorse every single one of the GOP current senators in general elections, regardless of their degree of conservatism.

As I said, there’s 1% of crazies that thinks this is an issue. There’s no way of pleasing those people while being a viable contender for the GOP nomination though, so their distrust is totally immaterial – in fact, it’s a good symptom.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM

budfox on April 28, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Do you honestly believe that if Sen. Collins had to pick between Jeb Bush and Rand Paul to endorse for POTUS that Rand Paul would have a snowball’s chance in hell? As a matter of fact Sen. Paul better hope that Dick Lugar doesn’t move to Kentucky to run for the senate.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Okay. I defended this guy the other day. But he is leaving the faking it camp and going whole hog into McCain psychobabble territory.

I can abide a couple of stupid statements, but between his and Santorum’s recent verbal vomit and the amnesty talk being renewed, I’m done with this crap.

It is like everyone in the GOP is deliberately sabotaging their efforts to win this year. It is like they fear that they may have too much power and will have *GASP* responsibility!

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 9:03 PM

John Galt writes,

Which, when [Rand Paul] is the GOP’s nominee for POTUS, will, in fact, be part of Rand Paul’s job description…

Well, before you start measuring the drapes for the windows in Rand Paul’s White House, I’d worry more about whether Paul can even win the nomination when the establishment won’t support him for any reason and now that he’s busy trying to lose the grassroots.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 9:03 PM

If you read that write up,, it’s evidence enough,, including the pork for Bath Ironworks. That’s coming from a Navy guy.

Bipartisan wonderlady is what is says dude. Your link.

She’s mccain with a vajayjay.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM

She’s from Maine!! Just what do you expect out of Maine? Goldwater?

So, when Rand Paul gets behind Scott Brown (Which he will, and should when he is the nominee), are you all going to freakout because Scott Brown isn’t Henry Cabot Lodge…?

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Do you honestly believe that if Sen. Collins had to pick between Jeb Bush and Rand Paul to endorse for POTUS that Rand Paul would have a snowball’s chance in hell? As a matter of fact Sen. Paul better hope that Dick Lugar doesn’t move to Kentucky to run for the senate.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:02 PM

This^^^^^^^

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM

thanks to collins we got dodd frank passed.
yay.

I see there are a dozen comments about me from the usual creepers, commanded by the crazy old lady. Cute. Vent away, but I’d appreciate if this time around there were no attempts to stalk me out of here. Just saying.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 8:30 PM

oh shut up.

dmacleo on April 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Well, before you start measuring the drapes for the windows in Rand Paul’s White House, I’d worry more about whether Paul can even win the nomination when the establishment won’t support him for any reason and now that he’s busy trying to lose the grassroots.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Why the hell would you care? If you aren’t willing to get behind GOP nominees, then AFAIC, you are not a Republican.

Please leave my party…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

She’s from Maine!! Just what do you expect out of Maine? Goldwater?

So, when Rand Paul gets behind Scott Brown (Which he will, and should when he is the nominee), are you all going to freakout because Scott Brown isn’t Henry Cabot Lodge…?

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:04 PM

When I see Collins campaigning for a conservative like Cuccinelli or a tea party favorite in Tennessee THEN maybe you have a point, but NONE of these GOPe people lift a finger for conservatives or tea party candidates.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

oh shut up.

dmacleo on April 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Succinct…

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Heh. I probably won’t go onto the other Rand 400+ comment thread. :)

22044 on April 28, 2014 at 8:57 PM

My two favorite comments after perusing the entire troll-fest:

In before clowns attack Sen Paul for not supporting a Democrat…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Well, Susan Collins isn’t a Republican. She just plays one on TV.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 10:11 AM

joana on April 28, 2014 at 12:33 PM

To be sure. My apologies if in any way you took my comment as an insult. And with that. F-u-c-k You.

Bmore on April 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM

ShainS on April 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Because he obviously overrates the mental condition of many of his readers.

TruCons know that endorsing Susan Collins while being a guest speaker at the Maine GOP convention means Rand Paul is just another socialist in disguise.

The vast majority of grassroots conservatives -starting with the 1500 who were at the state convention in Maine- couldn’t care less about this. They’re fully aware that any potential GOP nominee will endorse every single one of the GOP current senators in general elections, regardless of their degree of conservatism.

As I said, there’s 1% of crazies that thinks this is an issue. There’s no way of pleasing those people while being a viable contender for the GOP nomination though, so their distrust is totally immaterial – in fact, it’s a good symptom.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Well, when the GOP loses in 2016 with yet another milktoast candidate, DON’T come b!tching to us “1% crazies” because we didn’t pull the lever for your latest crap candidate. We don’t matter, according to you.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 9:07 PM

You’re all CRAZIES!!!! I think her head is spinning and her hair is on fire now.

TinFin on April 28, 2014 at 9:07 PM

She’s mccain with a vajayjay.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Yep. Recall- Member of the gang of 14.
Along with Mccain, Graham, Snowe,Chafee,Lieberman,Pryor, Landrieu ect…

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 9:07 PM

ShainS on April 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

I’m glad you enjoyed mine. And that came at the beginning of that hot mess.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 9:08 PM

How many posters here are sending donations to the GOP this election cycle? They aren’t getting a penny from me…

Not from me, either.

But the Republicans are going to win this mid-term election fairly easily. I don’t think they’ll make the huge strides they were expecting earlier, when some analysts were talking about the GOP picking up seven or eight senate seats, but they’ll still do pretty well.

And a major reason for that decline in expectation is that too many of the establishment types talk like Joana.

So Republicans will win back the Senate and expand their lead in the House, but they won’t have any momentum going into 2016, when the electorate will look much different from the one which votes in midterm elections.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Because he obviously overrates the mental condition of many of his readers.

TruCons know that endorsing Susan Collins while being a guest speaker at the Maine GOP convention means Rand Paul is just another socialist in disguise.

The vast majority of grassroots conservatives -starting with the 1500 who were at the state convention in Maine- couldn’t care less about this. They’re fully aware that any potential GOP nominee will endorse every single one of the GOP current senators in general elections, regardless of their degree of conservatism.

As I said, there’s 1% of crazies that thinks this is an issue. There’s no way of pleasing those people while being a viable contender for the GOP nomination though, so their distrust is totally immaterial – in fact, it’s a good symptom.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM

I’m fine with Susan Collins in Maine. Just like I was/am with Scott Brown in Massachusetts/New Hampshire. These states are not likely republican states and those two can run the number up for GOP Senate control.

What I object to is Paul slobbering all over Collins. WHO will NOT return the favor EVER to more conservative candidates.

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 9:08 PM

When I see Collins campaigning for a conservative like Cuccinelli or a tea party favorite in Tennessee THEN maybe you have a point, but NONE of these GOPe people lift a finger for conservatives or tea party candidates.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

+++++++++++

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 9:09 PM

No. It’s about Maine, electing the best people we can to get rallied behind party leadership to move the ball down the field.

Which, when he is the GOP’s nominee for POTUS, will, in fact, be part of Rand Paul’s job description…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

The problem being is that they do not move the ball down the court.
When we have the majority they demand the ball be placed far the left first and then demand that the direction be more to the left in order to get their votes. They join gangs of 6 and gangs of 8 and refuse to move forward until the bill becomes progressive.
When we are in minority, they provide the required votes for Democrats to get 100% of what they want and give them bipartisan cover and taint the Republican party. If the Democrats are having trouble getting the bill they want, they invite them into a gang of 6 or gang of eight to make it more progressive while granting it bipartisan cover.

Been watching the game long enough to know this. The only good that people like the Maine Twins can accomplish is for the enemy, not the conservatives.

astonerii on April 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM

I notice your remark on the good manners of Republicans in the Virginia gubernatorial race received only *crickets*. If I was Sen. Paul I wouldn’t turn my back on any of these people.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

When I see Collins campaigning for a conservative like Cuccinelli or a tea party favorite in Tennessee THEN maybe you have a point, but NONE of these GOPe people lift a finger for conservatives or tea party candidates.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

+++++++++++

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Double +++++++++++++++

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

I’ve made some small donations in some primaries and I will probably send a few bucks to Mia Love.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:11 PM

When I see Collins campaigning for a conservative like Cuccinelli or a tea party favorite in Tennessee THEN maybe you have a point, but NONE of these GOPe people lift a finger for conservatives or tea party candidates.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

+++++++++++

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Double +++++++++++++++

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Triple +++++++++++++++

GAME OVER!!!

ShainS on April 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

If I remember correctly they want to punch them in the nose and crush them.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM

I see there are a dozen comments about me from the usual creepers, commanded by the crazy old lady. Cute. Vent away, but I’d appreciate if this time around there were no attempts to stalk me out of here. Just saying.

joana on April 28, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Don’t let em get you down, I still think you are pretty hot. You and Meredith still coming over on Friday?

arnold ziffel on April 28, 2014 at 9:13 PM

s I said, there’s 1% of crazies that thinks this is an issue. There’s no way of pleasing those people while being a viable contender for the GOP nomination though, so their distrust is totally immaterial –in fact, it’s a good symptom. joana on April 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM

You may want to re-estimate that 1% figure. McCain dud on Nov. 7. so did Romney.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Yes Miss Cindy-

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell vowed any tea party candidates challenging establishment Republicans in the 2014 midterm elections would not just fail — but fail miserably.
“I think we are going to crush them everywhere,” he said, The New York Times reported, “I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country.”

bazil9 on April 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Well, when the GOP loses in 2016 with yet another milktoast candidate, DON’T come b!tching to us “1% crazies” because we didn’t pull the lever for your latest crap candidate. We don’t matter, according to you.

That’s just it. A political party which has failed to win a majority in all but one of the last six presidential elections, and which averaged less than 45 percent of the national electorate over the same period, is not in a good position to upset even a small portion of its regular voters.

But sometimes people need to have their noses rubbed in dogshit before they start to see the big picture. So maybe Jeb is the inevitable candidate for a party which doesn’t know how to change.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM

If I remember correctly they want to punch them in the nose and crush them.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Yep, it seems like the Virginia race proved that the GOPe would rather have a liberal, corrupt Democrat than help a Conservative get elected.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Seriously.

I’m on the SoCon side of this 1% crazies equation, and most of the SoCons of my acquaintance have become detached from national politics. They’re just having fairly good success at the local and state levels, and they haven’t been focusing on the national election. They’ll vote come 2016, but whether they’ll put boots on the ground for the Republican party is something of a different story. I honestly don’t know.

People like joana definitely won’t encourage them to become engaged.

lineholder on April 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM

I’m fine with Susan Collins in Maine. Just like I was/am with Scott Brown in Massachusetts/New Hampshire. These states are not likely republican states and those two can run the number up for GOP Senate control.

What I object to is Paul slobbering all over Collins. WHO will NOT return the favor EVER to more conservative candidates.

Exactly.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 9:16 PM

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Agreed, so where are all the Ms Manners and Emily Posts now? SOS, different day.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:16 PM

People like joana definitely won’t encourage them to become engaged.

lineholder on April 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Darlin, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Come September you will seriously consider not voting at all and it will be because of Republicans call you everything but a child of God for either disagreeing with them or not showing the proper enthusiasm for our candidate.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:18 PM

When I see Collins campaigning for a conservative like Cuccinelli or a tea party favorite in Tennessee THEN maybe you have a point, but NONE of these GOPe people lift a finger for conservatives or tea party candidates.
melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

So, you’re thinking Cuccinelli asked for Susan Collins to come down to VA and work the crowds for him, and she said no?

Seriously…?

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Oh,, and by the way,, serious question…

Does ANYONE here even remotely think that Cindy M isn’t just about the sweetest lady on this site?

Nonsense, to suggest otherwise.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Susan Collins isn’t the problem. She is the most conservative person who could get elected in her state. Maine is the problem. You’ll never get a conservative elected there.

WisCon on April 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Oh, I see, support for our party is by invitation only.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM

So, you’re thinking Cuccinelli asked for Susan Collins to come down to VA and work the crowds for him, and she said no?

Seriously…?

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Oh, c’mon. There has never been an instance of Collins going out and campaigning for any conservative candidate. Never.

If she wanted to stump for Cuccineeli, I’m certain he would’ve accepted her coming down. But it didn’t happen.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM

astonerii on April 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Says someone who openly supported Barack Obama over Mitt Romney…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM

WisCon on April 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM

That’s true and it’s fine. Just don’t act like she’s going to help out any and all Republicans up for election this go round or in 2016.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:23 PM

So, you’re thinking Cuccinelli asked for Susan Collins to come down to VA and work the crowds for him, and she said no?

Seriously…?

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

No, I think Collins is fine in her little liberal bubble in Maine, but that is the point. None of the Browns, McCains, et. al would probably step foot in fly over land south, much less endorse or campaign for a candidate down here. They don’t dirty their hands with us “illiterate trucons.” There is NO reciprocation, and I am tired of it. You can’t expect conservatives to sit still and be okay with endorsements and “good manners” for candidates that wouldn’t pi$$ on us if we were on fire.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Says someone who openly supported Barack Obama over Mitt Romney…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM

You are wrong. He wasn’t happy with Romney but sucked it up and voted for him.

Now we see just what the repubs think of us conservatives.

arnold ziffel on April 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Seriously.

I’m on the SoCon side of this 1% crazies equation, and most of the SoCons of my acquaintance have become detached from national politics. They’re just having fairly good success at the local and state levels, and they haven’t been focusing on the national election. They’ll vote come 2016, but whether they’ll put boots on the ground for the Republican party is something of a different story. I honestly don’t know.

People like joana definitely won’t encourage them to become engaged.

They’re right not to do so. Just as the Perotistas were right to drift away from the GOP after NAFTA. Hard to believe now that the Republican Party’s presidential nominee used to win states like Michigan, Illinois, and Pennsylvania on a regular basis.

But the GOP establishment kept ignoring what they thought was that “one percent.” White people in California don’t like immigration in the 1980s and 1990s? Screw em. They’re that one percent. California was a purple state; now it’s deep blue.

Are Rust Belt moderates who voted for Reagan nervous about NAFTA? Screw em. They’re just that one percent. Now the Rust Belt regularly goes for the Democrats in the presidential elections.

Did social cons who helped deliver the 2004 presidential election with high turnout because the same-sex initiatives on the ballot matter for the future? Screw em. They’re just that one percent.

And now fewer and fewer people vote Republican. The establishment types are chasing everyone away who doesn’t believe in one simple axiom: lower taxes. But that’s not enough for a national party.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Oh,, and by the way,, serious question…

Does ANYONE here even remotely think that Cindy M isn’t just about the sweetest lady on this site?

Nonsense, to suggest otherwise.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Yes, I agree- she is wonderful. When I first starting commenting, I tried to be like her, but I found I just couldn’t do it. I am just too cantankerous. She is a classy lady, and that comes through on Hotair. It makes Joana’s strident comments towards her especially ridiculous.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Oh, c’mon. There has never been an instance of Collins going out and campaigning for any conservative candidate. Never.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Now, I know GWB isn’t exactly what I would call a conservative, but Collins served on his reelection campaign committee

Like a good Republican should…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Says someone who openly supported Barack Obama over Mitt Romney…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM

I voted Romney, can you remember that?

astonerii on April 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:18 PM

I’ve been through a few cycles now so it doesn’t bother me that much (other than having to keep my tongue in check)

But as for the people I’m acquainted with….I’ve not seen people this distanced from what’s going on nationally in a good while. It’s disconcerting to say the least.

lineholder on April 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Oh,, and by the way,, serious question…

Does ANYONE here even remotely think that Cindy M isn’t just about the sweetest lady on this site?

Nonsense, to suggest otherwise.

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Everyone but joana and hagfish…

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 9:27 PM

I voted Romney, can you remember that?

astonerii on April 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Need I bring up your quotes from the campaign? Can I spare both of us the embarrassment..?

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Oh, I see, support for our party is by invitation only.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM

I am getting closer and closer to no longer considering it ‘our’ party…

OmahaConservative on April 28, 2014 at 9:29 PM

WisCon on April 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Of course Maine voted for Reagan twice and for George H.W. Bush once.

Maybe the problem is that we need to start electing exciting conservatives candidates who have exciting conservative ideas and stop trying to slink into office by hoping no one notices us.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 9:29 PM

I still can’t figure out Maine. Why it’s blue with two rino chicks as Senators.
Isn’t it like 4:1 men there? Bunch of lumberjacks?

It’s bot Vermont. ….is it?

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 9:29 PM

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:24 PM

That argument on works one way. And they have the nerve to suggest that we are the obstructionist, after voting for every moderate that has been thrown at us. And, oh by the way, even though we voted for them, it’s our fault they lost.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Now, I know GWBisn’t exactly what I would call a conservative, but Collins served on his reelection campaign committee

Like a good Republican should…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Yeah, and I voted for Romney and McCain even though I hated both. Please show her supporting someone in a Senate or House election that has conservative or tea party politics.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:31 PM

I voted Romney, can you remember that?

astonerii on April 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Need I bring up your quotes from the campaign? Can I spare both of us the embarrassment..?

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Like I care retread loser. V7_sport has them hot keyed. I do not care when he posts them, like I would care you did. it is the same sentiment I just put down here. having a regressive (R) lower on our team is destructive to the end goal, unless the end goal is the destruction of the nation.

astonerii on April 28, 2014 at 9:31 PM

That argument on works one way. And they have the nerve to suggest that we are the obstructionist, after voting for every moderate that has been thrown at us. And, oh by the way, even though we voted for them, it’s our fault they lost.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:30 PM

EXACTLY!

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Now, I know GWB isn’t exactly what I would call a conservative</strong
JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:26 PM

You could’ve stopped right there. And I’d bet money that she hearted McCain before GWB got the nomination in 2000.

Bitter Clinger on April 28, 2014 at 9:32 PM

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Are you calling him a liar? Were you in the booth? Are you sure you aren’t confusing him with Honda?

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Never forget that “party unity” is a one way street. How did Collins treat Paul and Cruz during the shutdown?

Right, she blasted them and called it a “bizarre” move. Party unity FTW!

Oh, BTW, when’s the last time we had a national publication report something Chris Coons said about the GOP? Never. Because no one cares what a partisan hack junior Senator from a small state thinks about the opposition. But when Collins and co. bash the GOP from within, it’s grist for the liberal mill.

Funny how people obsessed with optics and messaging always leave out that part of the calculus.

Good Solid B-Plus on April 28, 2014 at 9:32 PM

So who’s the sitting Republican Senator who’s said “I wholeheartedly don’t endorse Susan Collins for reelection in Maine”????

The non-sense people get upset about. Like a President Reagan wouldn’t have said the exact same thing.

Marcus on April 28, 2014 at 9:33 PM

They don’t dirty their hands with us “illiterate trucons.” There is NO reciprocation, and I am tired of it. You can’t expect conservatives to sit still and be okay with endorsements and “good manners” for candidates that wouldn’t pi$$ on us if we were on fire.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Given the TrueCons’ call for Rand Paul to not endorse a fellow Republican over a Democrat? How, exactly, would you like them to behave…?

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:34 PM

I still can’t figure out Maine. Why it’s blue with two rino chicks as Senators.
Isn’t it like 4:1 men there? Bunch of lumberjacks?

It’s bot Vermont. ….is it?

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Olympia Snowe left office last cycle.

Maine now has Collins (R) and King (I-but I’m really another ‘D’)

NWConservative on April 28, 2014 at 9:34 PM

wolly4321 on April 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

LOl! All the replies of support from that comment must surely convince joana that I am not the ring leader she thinks I am.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Are you calling him a liar? Were you in the booth? Are you sure you aren’t confusing him with Honda?

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:32 PM

No, he is right. When all of the blogosphere went balls deep into Romney’s rectum to take down Newt I declared I would vote for Obama and seriously thought about getting my low information friends and family to go out and vote too. As it got closer to the election, i relented and voted for the loser Romney anyways. I will not vote for the Regressive (R) now. My food stocks, ammunition stocks are up to snuff now, and I will be in my own home instead of an apartment shortly.

astonerii on April 28, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Given the TrueCons’ call for Rand Paul to not endorse a fellow Republican over a Democrat? How, exactly, would you like them to behave…?

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:34 PM

He didn’t need to endorse anyone. Thousands of candidates run every year and never get endorsements from EVERY person on the hill. He could have quietly declined, especially given the way Collins became McCain’s mini-me during the filibusters of both Paul and Cruz.

melle1228 on April 28, 2014 at 9:37 PM

The non-sense people get upset about. Like a President Reagan wouldn’t have said the exact same thing.

Marcus on April 28, 2014 at 9:33 PM

In fact, Ronald Reagan was pretty good about supporting NE moderate GOP’ers, like Alfonse D’Amato

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:37 PM

He invoked the name of Reagan so he must be right.

Murphy9 on April 28, 2014 at 9:37 PM

The non-sense people get upset about. Like a President Reagan wouldn’t have said the exact same thing.

Yeah, like the time Reagan said he wholeheartedly endorsed Gerald Ford for president.

Snort.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 9:37 PM

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Stop being obtuse. No one has suggested that Sen. Paul should endorse a Democrat over Sen. Collins. But as you have plainly shown, only a certain kind of Republican is worthy of universal support. I must point out that you are not a great salesperson for the party unless you think insulting people is a winning tactic.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:38 PM

We need to recognize that Maine went for Obama by 15% in 2012 – after four years of proof he is the worst President EVER. Once a Republican stronghold, Maine has been taken over by leftist nuts.

Collins (and Snowe up to her retirement) may only be 50-ish lifetime ACU ratings, but they are the best we could expect from Maine. Criticizing Paul for endorsing Collins is STUPID.

Unfortunately, stupid is in ample supply. Turns out at least three of the bigger self-proclaimed “Tea Party” organizations (TPP, TPX, & the Madison Project) spend only 5% of the money they raise on election-related costs. They pay themselves well, have family members loading up the payroll, and spend lavishly on travel.

And yet, let one of these self-promoting groups issue a statement calling some elected official a “RINO” and watch the hoi polloi rush to be the first to cast a stone.

SUCKERS.

Adjoran on April 28, 2014 at 9:39 PM

In fact, Ronald Reagan was pretty good about supporting NE moderate GOP’ers, like Alfonse D’Amato…

JohnGalt23 on April 28, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Of course, Galt doesn’t tell you that D’Amato ran against incumbent Republican Senator Jacob Javits in the 1980 Republican Primary, so Reagan had good reason to both like D’Amato and to think him a major improvement over the previous liberal Republican senator from New York.

Pincher Martin on April 28, 2014 at 9:41 PM

I notice your remark on the good manners of Republicans in the Virginia gubernatorial race received only *crickets*. If I was Sen. Paul I wouldn’t turn my back on any of these people.

Cindy Munford on April 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Cindy, after the last 10 days, I suggest we don’t turn our backs on Rand Paul.

bw222 on April 28, 2014 at 9:41 PM

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