NYT: Orange County, CA residents have been applying for concealed carry permits in droves

posted at 6:31 pm on April 27, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

The Ninth Circuit has a well-earned reputation as one of the most liberal courts in all the land, but in February, a three-judge panel struck down the part of California’s concealed-carry permitting law that requires applicants to submit a specific reason why they should be allowed to have a firearm upon their person in public. Most counties held back on loosening their permitting procedures while the decision goes through the appeals process, but a couple of counties dove right in with issuing permits to all law-abiding citizens. In Orange County, it took barely a month for more than 500 applications to roll in, and that evidently wasn’t just an initial rush but rather the beginning of a sustained pattern:

In the two months since the court sided with a group of gun owners and found California’s law on concealed-weapons permits unconstitutional, nearly 4,000 residents in this county of 3.1 million people have applied for one, eight times the number usually logged in a year. While no permit is required to own a gun, California residents must obtain one to carry a concealed weapon outside their home or business.

The surge in Orange County and, to a lesser extent, a handful of other counties stunned law enforcement officials and offered a striking demonstration of the frustration of California gun owners. …

The ruling by a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, in San Francisco, one of the most liberal appeals courts in the nation, sets up a potential battle over gun control before the Supreme Court. If the full Ninth Circuit court upholds the panel’s decision — which is hardly a foregone conclusion — the Supreme Court is likely to take the case, to reconcile the conflicting decisions of different circuit courts. …

The Ninth Circuit panel’s ruling was appealed, and has been stayed. Nonetheless, Orange County has blazed ahead. It has spent $1.6 million to hire 14 additional part-time workers, many working through the weekend, in response to the crush of applications, which has overwhelmed county telephones and office workers. There is now a 30-month wait to schedule the required in-person hearing to obtain a permit.

And San Diego county had almost 1,200 applications in March alone, up from their typical 50 applications a month — and speaking of background-check backlog, the federal government has been overwhelmingly inundated lately, too, right along with the national trend of rising firearms production. Supply following demand, ya’ll:

In a notice earlier this month to the firearms industry, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said it was temporarily suspending parts of its computerized system to shore up capacity in part to process the required registration and transfer of National Firearms Act covered weapons, which also include silencers, short-barreled shotguns, short-barreled rifles and some explosive devices.

Between 2005 and 2013, firearms act-related applications “skyrocketed by more than 380%” to nearly 200,000, according to the April 16 memo issued by ATF Deputy Assistant Director Marvin Richardson. The surge has contributed to a backlog of more than 70,000 applications.

Richardson’s memo states that the ATF is “immediately” hiring 15 people to assist with the application processing and deploying 15 current employees to the task.

The application deluge tracks a record annual increase in overall firearm production to more than 8.5 million guns in 2012, the most recent year for which the ATF collects such data. In 2011, there were 6.5 million firearms produced.


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They’re afraid of the hordes about to be legalized, who will start storming the gates of the haves because Democrats said it’s all good.

I’m awaiting the new reality show, “Showdown at the O.C. Corral.”

BuckeyeSam on April 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Great news…

OmahaConservative on April 27, 2014 at 6:38 PM

to shore up capacity in part to process the required registration and transfer of National Firearms Act covered weapons, which also include silencers, short-barreled shotguns, short-barreled rifles and some explosive devices.

O.K., so what am I missing here? Are these the items most frequently being purchased since this thing went active? I would think the preponderance would be CC handguns.

butch on April 27, 2014 at 6:43 PM

BuckeyeSam on April 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM

I’d be thinking the same thing if I lived in a border region. The Senate immigration bill is a de facto repeal of immigration law.

Wigglesworth on April 27, 2014 at 6:44 PM

I escaped Orange County last year …

One of the reasons for this is that, upon becoming interim Sheriff in 2008 (following Mike Carona’s resignation from office to face federal corruption charges), Sandra Hutchens sent revocation letters to hundreds of Orange County CCW holders for allegedly lacking “good cause” as she interpreted it.

ShainS on April 27, 2014 at 6:49 PM

See, we are making progress on human rights.

rbj on April 27, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Hmm. I live in Orange County. I’ll keep a lookout on this.

ncinca on April 27, 2014 at 6:50 PM

NYT: Orange County, CA residents have been applying for concealed carry permits in droves

Why?

The Recovery is in full upswing, the Dow is up a heck of a lot, unemployment is down, the Internet stores did awesome last Christmas, we have Affordable Healthcare now, housing prices are up, foreclosures and bank closures are down, gas is still under $4.00 a gallon in most places, there’s more reality TV shows on now than there was a year ago…what gives? What are some people so worried about?

/s

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 27, 2014 at 6:50 PM

See, we are making progress on human rights.

rbj on April 27, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Heh.

Perhaps someday U.S. citizens might have the same rights that illegal aliens enjoy?

ShainS on April 27, 2014 at 6:52 PM

More and more I think people are coming to the same conclusion about guns as this guy did about something else that’s awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUihR7UX1hs

BuckeyeSam on April 27, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Great news…

OmahaConservative on April 27, 2014 at 6:38 PM

..wanna move back?

The War Planner on April 27, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Perhaps someday U.S. citizens might have the same rights that illegal aliens enjoy?

ShainS on April 27, 2014 at 6:52 PM

I wonder…what get of of jail free card do the US citizens get in return? Tit for tat I say.

CW on April 27, 2014 at 7:01 PM

I’m sure had Bloomberg (or The One) known concealed carry laws would lead to government job creation, they would have supported it years ago.

Smart Power at work.

LaserBeam on April 27, 2014 at 7:03 PM

..wanna move back?

The War Planner on April 27, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Not really…

OmahaConservative on April 27, 2014 at 7:03 PM

the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Sounds more like a party than a govt. agency.

majorzot on April 27, 2014 at 7:03 PM

OKAY, BELOW ISN’T ABOUT CONCEAL CARRY, UNLESS IT’S A SAWED OFF SHOT GUN…HEHE

….she also tsk-tsked Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s suggestion last year to fire off shotgun blasts into the air to scare off would-be intruders.

“Just aim up in the air – that was his directive, his advice,” she
said. “Well, fine, Joe Squirt Gun, if your rapist is a bird.”

31giddyup on April 27, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Why?

The Recovery is in full upswing, the Dow is up a heck of a lot, unemployment is down, the Internet stores did awesome last Christmas, we have Affordable Healthcare now, housing prices are up, foreclosures and bank closures are down, gas is still under $4.00 a gallon in most places, there’s more reality TV shows on now than there was a year ago…what gives? What are some people so worried about?

We are worried about the lawlessness displayed by Obama and Holder. We have no idea which laws these two criminals will decide to ignore, or what law Obama will invent with his pen and phone. If you put your personal safety in their hands you may as will play Russian roulette.

BHO on April 27, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Orange County, CA residents have been applying for concealed carry permits in droves

Meh! Concealed carry permits are the latest fad. Like pot-bellied pigs. And who in the OC doesn’t want to have permission to carry something the rabble is forbidden to have?

Happy Nomad on April 27, 2014 at 7:35 PM

O/T:

BREAKING: Sources say Toyota fleeing CA, taking 5,000 jobs to more business-friendly Texas

ShainS on April 27, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Not surprised. Taxes are choking citizens and companies alike. States going to run on fumes.

31giddyup on April 27, 2014 at 7:36 PM

States = State’s

31giddyup on April 27, 2014 at 7:36 PM

31giddyup on April 27, 2014 at 7:17 PM

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bazil9 on April 27, 2014 at 7:39 PM

I think the surge is prompted by the expectation that the recent ruling will be reversed as soon as the full nine can get to it.

“Get ‘em while they’re hot!!”.

FOWG1 on April 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM

BREAKING: Sources say Toyota fleeing CA, taking 5,000 jobs to more business-friendly Texas

ShainS on April 27, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Some network could have fun doing a reality series where SoCal families show up in Texas.

Happy Nomad on April 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM

BREAKING: Sources say Toyota fleeing CA, taking 5,000 jobs to more business-friendly Texas

ShainS on April 27, 2014 at 7:25 PM

I hope that Toyota is very blunt with its employees who might think of moving from Cali to Texas–”We are leaving because of the results of you Californians’ liberal democratic voting patterns–please don’t go to Texas and screw it up with the same ideas.”

Doc Holliday on April 27, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Some network could have fun doing a reality series where SoCal families show up in Texas.

Happy Nomad on April 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Yep, then have a follow up series one election cycle later, with Texans kicking them back where they came from.

31giddyup on April 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Shall issue.

But they won’t ever recognize my AZ permit.

wolly4321 on April 27, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Partly to defend themselves against the freaks running Disneyland.

viking01 on April 27, 2014 at 8:00 PM

From:
I escaped Orange County last year …

One of the reasons for this is that, upon becoming interim Sheriff in 2008 (following Mike Carona’s resignation from office to face federal corruption charges), Sandra Hutchens sent revocation letters to hundreds of Orange County CCW holders for allegedly lacking “good cause” as she interpreted it.

ShainS on April 27, 2014 at 6:49 PM

And all I have to say is: Sandra Hutchens? I’ll bet YOU CARRY whatever pistol you want, when you want, WHERE EVER you want.
For you to recind CCW permits for in your (limited intelligence) opinion ‘lacking “good cause” as YOU interperet it. I hope someone has the gumption to take your azz to court ‘for good cause’ and sue your azz and your department for you ‘acting STUPIDLY’. When your county exchequer sees the potential COSTS of your decision, I suspect you will be ‘asked’ to REVISIT your ‘Acting Stupidly Decision’.

And yes Sandra, I can out shoot you in any marksmanship competition you might care to challenge me.

Missilengr on April 27, 2014 at 8:02 PM

30 month waiting period for a in-person hearing is Unconstitutional. A right delayed is a right denied. Gun owners seeking a permit should sue to require the county to put forth the resources to provide for a timely hearing.

Taser on April 27, 2014 at 8:06 PM

wanna move back?

The War Planner on April 27, 2014 at 6:59 PM
Not really…

OmahaConservative on April 27, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Good choice OC—Southern California is now essentially Northern Mexico. The level of misery that decent people in Mexifornia will tolerate as the price for the great weather and scenery would be just too high this fellow Omaha resident. California reminds me of a truly beautiful woman I once knew–she was gorgeous and warm–but she was “entitled” by her beauty…. and she made me broke and miserable.

HatfieldMcCoy on April 27, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Liberals, like leopards, are unable to change their spots.
How much assurance to we have that the opening of registration before all the appeals are played out is not just the gathering of people’s vital information who think “that” way…and own firearms?

Ricks Cafe on April 27, 2014 at 8:22 PM

I hope that Toyota is very blunt with its employees who might think of moving from Cali to Texas–”We are leaving because of the results of you Californians’ liberal democratic voting patterns–please don’t go to Texas and screw it up with the same ideas.”

Doc Holliday on April 27, 2014 at 7:54 PM
…that’s how most states get phucked up!…those fleeing states that they helped screw up

KOOLAID2 on April 27, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Anything that drives Democrats nuts must be a ‘good thing’.

JungleCogs on April 27, 2014 at 8:49 PM

I got a specific reason for ya…. It’s in the frigg’n Constitution

roflmmfao

donabernathy on April 27, 2014 at 9:03 PM

With every one, Bloomberg dies a little.

kurtzz3 on April 27, 2014 at 9:36 PM

I live in San Diego. All those people in this county who are applying are wasting their time. Our sheriff is virulently anti-gun and will not be issuing any carry permits until he has exhausted every possible alternative.

Aodhan on April 27, 2014 at 9:57 PM

I hope that Toyota is very blunt with its employees who might think of moving from Cali to Texas–”We are leaving because of the results of you Californians’ liberal democratic voting patterns–please don’t go to Texas and screw it up with the same ideas.”

Doc Holliday on April 27, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Or better yet don’t risk it – just lay off the Calis as you leave and hire Texans just to be sure…

8 weight on April 27, 2014 at 10:02 PM

Or better yet don’t risk it – just lay off the Calis as you leave and hire Texans just to be sure…

8 weight on April 27, 2014 at 10:02 PM

The whole idea is to be more productive so you wouldn’t want to move the greedy UAW goons from California.

slickwillie2001 on April 27, 2014 at 10:15 PM

Shall issue.

But they won’t ever recognize my AZ permit.

wolly4321 on April 27, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Here in Ohio, a federal judge says Ohioans have to recognize an out-of-state SSM license. I don’t know about an out-of-state permit.

BuckeyeSam on April 27, 2014 at 11:24 PM

Obama and Company – greatest gun sales people of all time!

GarandFan on April 28, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Here in my deep blue Northeastern “may issue” state, hostility to the citizenry going armed runs very deep.

The instructions for applying for a carry permit state plainly that “No one in this State has a right to carry a gun”.

These guys are never going to loosen their grip on the permit process regardless of what *any* court rules. What we’ll get is a system where the only way to get a permit to pay a well connected attorney big bucks to grease your application through.

platapapin on April 28, 2014 at 12:34 AM

Is there some sort of licensing issue that requires HA to limit itself to this as one of its only gun images? There’s nothing wrong with this particular model, but, from a media perspective, it gets a bit old after time. Us gun nuts wouldn’t mind a bit of variety.

WhatSlushfund on April 28, 2014 at 2:03 AM

Supply following demand, ya’ll:

Now, you might be writing a dialectical shorthand, ya know?
In which case this could be correct.
ya + all = ya’ll

But according to standard rules of word concatenation in English, for instance:
I + will = I’ll
you + will = you’ll
ya + will = ya’ll

In Texas, though, this is how it is done:
you + all = y’all

Other than that, great story!

AesopFan on April 28, 2014 at 2:04 AM

My guess would be, that Sandra Hutchins, will drag out the permitting process, in the hopes that the full 9th Circuit will reverse the decision. Then she will revoke whatever permits have been issued. Best bet would be to move out of Kalifornia, to a more gun friendly state. Leave your Democrat voting patterns behind, please.
Governor Perry, it has been rumored, was in NY State, trying to entice businesses there to move to Texas. As a native NYer, who fled that state’s uber leftist politics, you’re making a big mistake, Guv. Look at how retired NYers have turned red Florida, purple. A similar circumstance in Texas, will lock in Democrat control of the federal government. Upon which, the Democrats will deliver the coup de grace, to what is left of America.

kjatexas on April 28, 2014 at 5:32 AM

Orange you glad I didn’t say gun control?

tangoecho5 on April 28, 2014 at 8:00 AM

Is there some sort of licensing issue that requires HA to limit itself to this as one of its only gun images? There’s nothing wrong with this particular model, but, from a media perspective, it gets a bit old after time. Us gun nuts wouldn’t mind a bit of variety.

WhatSlushfund on April 28, 2014 at 2:03 AM

Probably because the only other unlicensed photo available with the tag “gun rights” is a grainy, Zapruder-esque shot of a militia man in camo firing a machine gun into the woods.

/only half-kidding

JimLennon on April 28, 2014 at 8:29 AM

O.K., so what am I missing here? Are these the items most frequently being purchased since this thing went active? I would think the preponderance would be CC handguns.

butch on April 27, 2014 at 6:43 PM

The mentioned items are the ones covered by the National Firearms Act. They require you to have a special license (like machine guns). Buying regular longarms and sidearms does not require a special federal national license. The ATF problem is not due to the 9th Circus decision.

GWB on April 28, 2014 at 10:26 AM

It has spent $1.6 million to hire 14 additional part-time workers.

WOW, over $100,000/year for PART-TIME work. Nice.

Jeff2161 on April 28, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Is there some sort of licensing issue that requires HA to limit itself to this as one of its only gun images? There’s nothing wrong with this particular model, but, from a media perspective, it gets a bit old after time. Us gun nuts wouldn’t mind a bit of variety.

WhatSlushfund on April 28, 2014 at 2:03 AM

Here’s one for HA: Gun Stupid

slickwillie2001 on April 28, 2014 at 11:00 AM

the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Sounds more like a party than a govt. agency.

majorzot on April 27, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Heh, it should be…..party on!

hawkeye54 on April 28, 2014 at 11:25 AM

WOW, over $100,000/year for PART-TIME work. Nice.

Jeff2161 on April 28, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Yeh, I just bet those part timers wish they were getting $100K salaries.

hawkeye54 on April 28, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Here’s one for HA: Gun Stupid

slickwillie2001 on April 28, 2014 at 11:00 AM

So funny. And I see this in movies all the time.

WhatSlushfund on April 28, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Why should 4,000 applicants create a 30 month backlog in hearings? 20 work days in a month on average. 20 times 30 = 6000. More than a full day per hearing? Why would a hearing take a full day? In most cases, I would guess a hearing should take less than an hour. A law abiding citizen with clean record should not take that much time.

MTinMN on April 28, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Now if we can all get some .22LR ammo to practice with….

hoakie on April 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Here in my deep blue Northeastern “may issue” state, hostility to the citizenry going armed runs very deep.

The instructions for applying for a carry permit state plainly that “No one in this State has a right to carry a gun”.

platapapin on April 28, 2014 at 12:34 AM

Pennsylvania is usually considered pretty blue, BUT:

PA Constitution, Article I, Sec. 21
“The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.”

Any Questions?

ReggieA on April 28, 2014 at 5:07 PM

law that requires applicants to submit a specific reason why they should be allowed to have a firearm upon their person in public

Because **** ***… that’s why!

mike_NC9 on April 28, 2014 at 9:02 PM

butch on April 27, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Suppressors, at least (NOT silencers…) are a big deal. A well-made suppressor makes it harder for a criminal to pinpoint the source of the fire against them, balances the weapon to make it easier to aim, reduces recoil, and reduces the noise impact on the shooter. My wife has VERY sensitive hearing, and can’t use a firearm without a suppressor, even with earplugs and the big noise-blocking ear covers. So. .. Yeah. Very big deal.

Good on OC!

Asurea on May 9, 2014 at 10:01 PM