Poll: Virginians growing oddly less fond of Medicaid expansion under McAuliffe’s leadership

posted at 5:31 pm on April 25, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

This is what President Obama had to say the other day about the states that have yet to expand/have refused to expand their Medicaid programs under ObamaCare.

I’m sorry, I’m going to say one last thing about this, just ’cause this, this does frustrate me. States that have chosen not to expand Medicaid for no other reason than political spite. You’ve got 5 million people who could be having health insurance right now at no cost to these states. Zero cost to these states. Other than ideological reasons, they have chosen not to provide health insurance for their citizens. That’s wrong. It should stop.

The ‘Republicans hate poor people and they especially hate me personally and are literally only doing this out of pettiness’ line is pretty standard by now, but claiming that Medicaid expansion comes at “zero cost to these states”? …What is he talking about? Do you have a thought you’d like to finish there, sir? Maybe something about how the federal government will only pay 100 percent of the expansion costs through 2016, dropping to at least 90 percent thereafter, and it’s actually a hugely expensive endeavor with questionable health outcomes?

In Virginia, Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe used Medicaid expansion as a centerpiece of his election campaign last year, and he has been trying to make the White House’s case about the seriously-almost-practically-free virtues of expanding Medicaid since he took office earlier this year. Funnily enough, McAuliffe is not only failing to convince the commonwealth’s Republican legislators on the matter — Virginia voters are actually shifting away from the idea in rapid fashion.

The Wason Center at Christopher Newport University poll found that 53 percent of the state’s voters oppose enrolling more Virginians in the federal-state health program for the poor, a sharp reversal from February, when the center found that 56 percent backed expansion.

McAuliffe (D) and a slim majority of the evenly divided state Senate have pushed this year to expand Medicaid under the federal Affordable Care Act, saying it would provide insurance to up to 400,000 needy Virginians and boost the economy. The Republican-dominated House has opposed expansion, raising doubts about the federal government’s ability to pay most of the $2 billion-a-year cost and stressing the need to first rein in the existing Medicaid program.

“Democrats are losing the debate on expanding Medicaid in Virginia,” Quentin Kidd, director of the Wason Center, said in a written statement. “This is mostly because they are not convincing Independents that it’s a good idea. But even in the usually friendly territory of Northern Virginia, the debate is not going their way.”

The Medicaid debate has stalled out the passage of Virginia’s two-year budget, and worries are already circulating that if the stalemate isn’t solved by the time Virginia’s fiscal year begins on July 1st, the commonwealth could be looking at a shutdown situation. I find this singularly and painfully hilarious, because McAuliffe actually campaigned on being the guy who wouldn’t bring Washington, D.C.-style brinkmanship to Virginia. You can’t make this stuff up.


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Zero cost to these states.

“It’s free I tell ya. It’s free.”

BuckeyeSam on April 25, 2014 at 5:35 PM

…States that have chosen not to expand Medicaid for no other reason than political spite. You’ve got 5 million people who could be having health insurance right now at no cost to these states…

Medicaid is not health insurance, jackass.

slickwillie2001 on April 25, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Oh well, they get what they voted for. You didn’t want a “socon” who could do NOTHING ABOUT abortion or marriage in favor of someone who will take money out of all your pockets

melle1228 on April 25, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Medicaid is not health insurance, jackass.

slickwillie2001 on April 25, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Neither my GP nor my shrink nor ANY specialist I have had to see in the last 3 years accepts MedicAid. They do however accept most insurance plans and cold hard cash, checks, and debit/credit cards.

Therefore when I was not covered by health insurance rather than go on MedicAid which I definitely qualify for I paid them with cash. Much easier than jumping through a bunch of hoops, qualification forms, finding a new doctor, etc, etc, etc. The number of doctors who accept MedicAid as payment is astronomically small primarily because that is the size of the MedicAid payments to them usually up to 6 months after the visit/test/procedure.

SgtSVJones on April 25, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Suck it, VA! Next up? Get ready for gun laws.

Applehead on April 25, 2014 at 5:47 PM

To my fellow NoVaians (obviously not the conservatives who post here)…y’all are a bunch of freakin’ idiots!

22044 on April 25, 2014 at 5:47 PM

P.S. Yes I live in VA, no I did not vote for McAwful, and it will be interesting to see what happens in about 2 months!.

SgtSVJones on April 25, 2014 at 5:47 PM

McAwful is like federal drug dealer.
The first hit is always free–because the feds are covering it. The second hit is 75% off, the third is half price. Once you’re hooked and too far in you have to pay the full cost.

Scottie on April 25, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Zero cost to these states

…math is hard!

KOOLAID2 on April 25, 2014 at 5:47 PM

The Medicaid debate has stalled out the passage of Virginia’s two-year budget, and worries are already circulating that if the stalemate isn’t solved by the time Virginia’s fiscal year begins on July 1st, the commonwealth could be looking at a shutdown situation. I find this singularly and painfully hilarious, because McAuliffe actually campaigned on being the guy who wouldn’t bring Washington, D.C.-style brinkmanship to Virginia. You can’t make this stuff up.

There is nothing in the VA budget debate that requires Medicaid expansion to be part of it. Republicans here in the Old Dominion State need to keep demanding a “clean bill” on the budget.

Happy Nomad on April 25, 2014 at 5:50 PM

McAwful will reap the seeds he sows.

Think about this, 5 million at $5000 is $25 billion. Plus you know that 5 million is way low. Where does that come from?

jukin3 on April 25, 2014 at 5:52 PM

There is nothing in the VA budget debate that requires Medicaid expansion to be part of it. Republicans here in the Old Dominion State need to keep demanding a “clean bill” on the budget.

Happy Nomad on April 25, 2014 at 5:50 PM

You’re forgetting the Democrat mantra: Never let a crisis go to waste.
I’ll bet anything they are hoping for a shut down to smear state Republicans, you know ’cause they hate the sick or something.

Scottie on April 25, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Do they put something in the water during election time? Those who voted for this hack get what they deserve. For those who did not, buy loads of popcorn.

TinFin on April 25, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Our poor Commonwealth is doomed.

bernzright777 on April 25, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Reap what you sow reprobates!

Murphy9 on April 25, 2014 at 5:58 PM

What [THE HELL] is he talking about? Do you have a thought you’d like to finish there, sir BUDDY? Maybe something about how the federal government will only pay 100 percent of the expansion costs through 2016, dropping to at least MOST 90 percent thereafter, and it’s actually a hugely expensive endeavor with questionable health outcomes THAT NO DOCTORS WILL WILLINGLY ACCEPT AS A SOLITARY FORM OF HEALTH INSURANCE?

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Fixed for damn accuracy, dammit… Learn the difference between “at most” and “at least,” please, Erika.

ExpressoBold on April 25, 2014 at 5:59 PM

McAuliffe: I blame all those deceased voters, who voted for him, and the living ones who voted for him numerous times.

Lourdes on April 25, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Right now the Fed is picking up 100% of the expanded Medicaid tab. In two years that decreases to 90%. Does anyone believe that the reimbursement rate wont go any lower than that in the future?

Johnnyreb on April 25, 2014 at 6:01 PM

TinFin on April 25, 2014 at 5:55 PM

You can thank all the ex-Marylanders who fled their state over the last few years and settled down in Northern Virginia because it offered a high standard of living and lower taxes. Then said liberals began to “reform” VA and make it into MD2.0.

Scottie on April 25, 2014 at 6:02 PM

It is free to the States ……………. but, the national debt will be increased. On Facebook I have a daughter of a first cousin who lamented about Governor Jindal refusing to expand Medicaid in her State. I have a policy of refusing to discuss politics on Facebook.

SC.Charlie on April 25, 2014 at 6:02 PM

The Fed/Govt doesn’t pay for shit. These vote for free leeches take money from everyone who pays taxes.

TinFin on April 25, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Scottie on April 25, 2014 at 6:02 PM

BOOM! I know some of these ex Marylanders personally!

bernzright777 on April 25, 2014 at 6:04 PM

…a hugely expensive endeavor with questionable health outcomes THAT NO DOCTORS WILL WILLINGLY ACCEPT AS A SOLITARY FORM OF HEALTH INSURANCE?…

I can only speak for myself here: I’m way past ‘tired’ with telling people what’ll happen IF they vote for (name your DNC-campaign ‘promise’ and candidate here), only to have my foretelling ignored or ridiculed, only to see my foretelling be accurate as realized after the votes for (name for DNC-campaign ‘promise’ and candidate here).

Tell them, advise them, think it through for them, tell them again as carefully and patiently as possible and still they proceed to vote for (name your DNC-campaign ‘promise’ and candidate here) and my foretold advice and figuring-through-to-the-conclusion just goes nowhere.

There is A REASON why outcomes are not “fair”: too many D, C and F level people who vote and like to complain about how their choice/vote produced a very bad outcome afterward, and yet they still refuse to modify how and who they vote for.

Lourdes on April 25, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Scottie, thank you for the explanation, you’re so right. The blue staters are fleeing their own shitholes they created and moving on to red states, hoping that their left wing utopia crap will work in their new state. That, and illegal immigration will sink remaining states.

TinFin on April 25, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Evidently the wording of the two surveys was quite different.

Even as a Virginian who does not want to see the expansion happen, I was persuaded that the different wording was largely responsible for the different polling results.

Here is the link.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/04/25/poll_shows_democrats_losing_medicaid_debate_in_virginia_democratic_pollster.html

TrinaLC on April 25, 2014 at 6:11 PM

I didn’t vote for the POS, but thank you People’s Republic of Fairfax County…..and Alexandria, and Arlington.

gator70 on April 25, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Democrats blew up the best health care system in the world. They had every intention of blowing it up because they want socialized medicine and don’t care that its bad for the poor, and middle class. The rich will have their own networks.

This was always the plan.

Lonetown on April 25, 2014 at 6:20 PM

It’s not just the No Va suburbs that caused the result …

It only happened because of the third party libertarian candidate, who is trying to do it again the the VA senate race.

TrinaLC on April 25, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Evidently the wording of the two surveys was quite different.

TrinaLC on April 25, 2014 at 6:11 PM

If it’s good enough for the Census Bureau…..

AesopFan on April 25, 2014 at 6:33 PM

For all the things we say against Roberts on the Obamacare mandate decision of SCOTUS, I will always be grateful to him for the lead he provided on making Medicaid a states’ issue.

Think about where the situation would be now if things had gone the other way!!!

lineholder on April 25, 2014 at 6:33 PM

It only happened because of the third party libertarian candidate, who is trying to do it again the the VA senate race.

TrinaLC on April 25, 2014 at 6:20 PM

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That’s poor analysis. McAwful won because liberal Democrats said “Cuccinelli is soooooo bad he will ruin your “state”****, set us back a hundred years, give the T.E.A. Party a foothold in national politics, be a thorn in the side of intelligent operation of government, …. blah blah blah.” After liberal Democrats said those things, Establishment Republicans (GOPe) said “OMG you are soooo correct! Let’s withhold funds from Cuccinelli since he is going to lose anyway!”
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Republicans, like two-timing Lieutenant Governor Bill Bolling, refused to endorse or campaign for Ken as the standard-bearer of the Republican Party. He was abandoned by his own party. That’s the truth.
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Learn what really went on and stop spewing schitt as truth. What you said is wrong. No one party can defeat an entrenched party intent on destroying its own candidate. Don’t whine about “convention” versus “primary,” either. McDonnell was nominated in convention.
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“state”****: Virginia is a COMMONWEALTH. Learn it. Use it.

ExpressoBold on April 25, 2014 at 6:54 PM

In states that send to DC as much as DC sends to them, the cost of Medicaid expansion will immediately be 100% funded by the states’ residents through increased federal taxes. Even a state that gets back twice as much as it sends in will see half of its first-year expansion costs paid for by its residents. This is a point – of apparently enormous subtlety – that is lost on Progressives.

PersonFromPorlock on April 25, 2014 at 7:12 PM

I grew up in VA back when it was solidly Republican.
Can’t hardly recognize it now, like an old Army buddy you haven’t seen in 20 years who now weighs 350 #.

Tard on April 25, 2014 at 7:39 PM

They voted for it, they get what they voted for.

SunSword on April 25, 2014 at 8:35 PM

ExpressoBold on April 25, 2014 at 6:54 PM

KC should never have gone to the head honchos in the GOP and got them to cut out the primary. Cuccinelli needed to be primaried as he demonstrated that he had forgotten how to campaign after being AG.

The first contact I got about KC during the campaign was two weeks away from election and it was from… the NRA. The NRA was more active on behalf of KC than KC was. Basic retail politics seemed beyond his staff… you know the going to malls and kissing babies stuff? Never happened.

Holding townhall meetings in a few districts that were vital? Never happened.

A quick tour of the State to campaign and get his name in the news and his campaign covered? Never happened.

He lost by 3% and basically didn’t run a campaign.

If he had been in a primary he would have had name recognition and have been seen state-wide and be able to build on that for the election. A good politician does not run to the heads of the party and seek to not get primaried but, instead, welcomes a primary as a way to tune up his election campaign and get his staff on the ball.

That has been TWO elections where the first contact for supporting a Republican has come from the NRA. The NRA understands retail politics better than the Republican Party does. I don’t care about ‘Big Data’ politics: Republicans can’t do basic retail politics. You can’t win without basic retail politics, but you sure can lose without it.

ajacksonian on April 25, 2014 at 9:13 PM

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Global HAWK on April 25, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Yeah, it’s “Free”! And then your cost will be ONLY 10%. Until Congress decides otherwise.

What then?

GarandFan on April 25, 2014 at 9:43 PM

“…. no cost to these states. Zero cost to these states.”
So who’s paying for this free coverage ?

lel2007 on April 25, 2014 at 9:44 PM

My own sister and most other employees of the Commonwealth supported McAuliffe, knowing he was nothing but a self-promoting crook, on the theory that a Democrat would give them bigger raises than Cuccinelli.

If they all end up furloughed in a shutdown and many end up laid off permanently, they brought it on themselves.

Virginia deserves a good lesson. Burn, baby, burn!

Adjoran on April 26, 2014 at 12:24 AM

(looks around)
Nope. No sympathy here.
Likewise for NYC and their new mayor.
But what took them so long to realize the error of their ways? I mean, it’s been like 6 months already.

leftamark on April 26, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Nobody has any excuse for having supported this fiasco. It was obvious all along that it was going to be bad news and more bad news.

David Blue on April 26, 2014 at 5:34 AM

Blatant, disgraceful, unapologetic, serial, LIAR…. but the low information voters worship his every utterance.

ultracon on April 26, 2014 at 9:23 AM

The Fed/Govt doesn’t pay for shit. These vote for free leeches take money from everyone who pays taxes.

TinFin on April 25, 2014 at 6:03 PM

People forget that the federal government has no money of its own. I must first take it from the taxpayers, or borrow it.

Dasher on April 26, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Yet the idiots will still vote for the (D)…no matter what until they get sick of their money getting sucked away and then, like parasites, infect the next state they move into with the same voting patterns.

Decoski on April 26, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Simple: Implement the program with a 0 budget. Put in the statutory language that it is only in effect to the extent and as long as it’s fully federally funded, as expressly promised by Pres. 0. That way, when the feds tank it, it’ll be perfectly clear who’s responsible and the state will be under no obligation to fund.

It’s not as good as my preferred approach to all this carp: no laws or “programs,” just pay as you go. See, John Smith of the Virginia Colony “If you don’t work, you don’t eat!” for valid, practical precedent.

Ay Uaxe on April 26, 2014 at 6:27 PM

“You’ve got 5 million people who could be having health insurance right now at no cost to these states. Zero cost to these states.”

Before ObamaCare, you could be eligible for Medicaid, but not sign up until you fell and got hurt, or couldn’t shake an infection or had some other symptom that landed you in an emergency room. Medicaid eligible people did not HAVE to sign up for medicaid if they were healthy. Their kids could be using CHIP and they did not have to sign up. Now, all those people, previously eligible have to sign up, and the state does not get any of that money Obama is talking about for these enrollees. Because they are not included in expanded Medicaid. That is enough to add to the Medicaid Rolls, states don’t want to pay in the future and add even more people too. Medicaid is bad, Medicaid reimburses badly, AND a lot of people eligible for Medicaid had BAD APPLE mini plans, privately from their crumbby jobs, until Obama made that illegal.

This whole thing sucks doesn’t it? Too bad about McCaulliffe, he is awful too.

Fleuries on April 26, 2014 at 8:01 PM

Hindsight is 20/20. Virginian’s should have known, especially with McAuliffe, a Clinton man, that what he said on the campaign trail were nothing more than lies. When will we not accept any more lies from these idiotic fools? You made your bed Virgina…now you have to lie in it!

Jacamina on April 28, 2014 at 7:36 AM