Democratic fault lines: Hillary knocks Snowden for fleeing to Russia

posted at 4:01 pm on April 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

She never calls him a traitor, notes National Journal, but she goes right up to the line:

I think turning over a lot of that material—intentionally or unintentionally—drained, gave all kinds of information, not only to big countries, but to networks and terrorist groups and the like.

Why should you care? For two reasons. One: Like it or not (i.e. not), this may be a policy preview of the next presidential administration. She doesn’t say explicitly that she’d preserve NSA surveillance as is (she pays lip service at the beginning to privacy, as all politicians do when addressing this subject) but her concern here obviously has much less to do with domestic data-mining and much more to do with Snowden absconding with state secrets. In fact, she wonders aloud why he didn’t stay put and seek legal protection for his disclosures under whistleblower laws — a sore point for Snowden and his supporters since day one. Meaningful whistleblower protections don’t exist, Snowdenites insist (and not without reason); he would have suffered nasty retaliation in the U.S. and maybe even prison. It’s not even clear that his disclosures would qualify as “whistleblowing” since, after all, the NSA’s programs are legal unless and until the Supreme Court decides the Fourth Amendment says otherwise. Hillary surely understands all that. The fact that she’d resort to that argument anyway shows you just how unsympathetic to him she is.

Two: It’s going to be fascinating watching Democrats wrestle with Snowden’s legacy during the 2016 campaign, especially if they nominate a would-be hawk like Hillary. The principled lefties among them are irritated that the party’s veered from criticizing Bush for threatening civil liberties with mass surveillance to defending Obama for doing the same. The rest of the party trusts Obama to be a responsible actor and thus tolerates surveillance — so long as it’s overseen by a Democrat. Nevertheless, as of January, Democrats as a group were turning sour on NSA spying just as the rest of the country was. Back in June 2013, when Snowden first emerged, they supported the NSA 58/38. As of January 2014, it was … 46/48. That’s why Hillary’s so keen to change the subject here from the NSA itself to Snowden running away to Mother Russia with the keys to the security castle. When you ask people about that, things get … complicated:

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Here’s what happens in the same poll when you ask people whether Snowden’s leaks were the right or wrong thing to do. Top line is “right,” second line is “wrong,” third line is “not sure”:

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Good news for Hillary the Hawk: A plurality of Dems (identical to Republicans, in fact) think it was the wrong thing to do. Bad news for her: Young adults, on whose turnout Democrats increasingly depend, are conspicuously pro-Snowden. The trick in the Democratic primaries for Team Clinton is finding a sweet spot where she’s critical of Snowden, to prove that she’d be “tough” as commander-in-chief, but not so critical of his revelations that she’d alienate the lefties who are already suspicious of her and the young voters whom the party needs. Here’s her first stab at it.


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But you pressed the reset button.

John the Libertarian on April 25, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Rand Paul will cook that overstuffed turkey over this…

JohnGalt23 on April 25, 2014 at 4:04 PM

What difference, at this point, does it make, Hillary?

thatsafactjack on April 25, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Shhh, I’ll tell y’all the biggest accomplishment of SoS Hillary.

She was the first one, evahhhhh, to visit…are you ready? Togo.

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Question time!

Who did the most damage to the US? Hillary Clinton’s time in the Obama admin or Snowden running off with NSA secrets?

Show your work, please.

kim roy on April 25, 2014 at 4:09 PM

The scumhag has lots of blood on her hands. The J. reference tape will not go away.

She also lied with full coffins lined up behind her.

Never forget the power of video.

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Snowden alerted all of us about how unfree we are. Go to Hell all the Googles and related, the NSA too.

Name me one free/freer country/people, due to obama/Hillary/Kerry, I triple dare you.

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Show your work, please.

kim roy on April 25, 2014 at 4:09 PM

She can’t.

John the Libertarian on April 25, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Scumhag indeed!

Applehead on April 25, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Hillary knocks Snowden for fleeing to Russia

…she fled from her Secretary of State job!…wonder why?

KOOLAID2 on April 25, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Hillaryty, pure

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 4:13 PM

The trick in the Democratic primaries for Team Clinton is finding a sweet spot where she’s critical of Snowden, to prove that she’d be “tough” as commander-in-chief, but not so critical of his revelations that she’d alienate the lefties who are already suspicious of her and the young voters whom the party needs.


Too easy:

“One of my first acts, if elected President, will be to issue a Presidential pardon to Edward Snowden for any laws broken with regard to information he provided to the media about the domestic surveillance programs. While I do not condone his actions, they did result in a vigorous discussion of the balance between our rights and our security needs. Since Mr. Snowden insists he has not revealed ANY operational information, my proposed pardon would protect him from prosecution and allow him to return to the United States.”

PolAgnostic on April 25, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Cats are smarter than Hillary.

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Maybe she should reconsider attacking a guy who has every email and text she sent or received in the last several years.

BobMbx on April 25, 2014 at 4:16 PM

God, she’s one ugly broad.

lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Same topic, all ruin…obama/Hillary’s America…destroying one industry at a time.

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Who did the most damage to the US? Hillary Clinton’s time in the Obama admin or Snowden running off with NSA secrets?

Show your work, please.

kim roy on April 25, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Trick question. Snowden didn’t approve, use or fund the spying on US citizens. He simply made it public knowledge that others did those things.

Kinda like a journalist.

BobMbx on April 25, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Reinstate his passport and I am confident he would love to leave his “refuge” in cold a$$ Russia and fly to South America. But you can’t lock someone in a house and then complain they won’t leave.

coolrepublica on April 25, 2014 at 4:22 PM

The biggest accomplishment of Hillary Clinton was getting Vince Foster killed before he could embarrass her.

Not even Barack HUSSEIN Obama can compete with the Clinton body count.

ConstantineXI on April 25, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Hillary Clinton stood over the four flag draped coffins of Americans murdered in Benghazi, one of them of an Ambassador of the United States, two of them of heroes who died defending a consulate that H.R. Clinton had knowingly left unsecured on the anniversary of 911 in a region known to be populated with al-Quaeda operatives. She used those fallen Americans as props to set the scene as she lied to the American people, not only about what happened in Benghazi,and why it happened, but about her own culpability regarding those murders. In so doing, because of the nature of the lie she chose to tell, i.e. that the attack on the ‘embassy’ was in response to a video clip that had been posted to YouTube which showed Islam and Mohammed in a bad light when she was cognizant that the attack was planned and executed by al-Quaeda to mark the anniversary of 911, she gave aid and comfort to those who committed those murders. I might point out that Obama followed suit and compounded his villainy by standing in the UN and stating “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”

Snowden’s actions pale in comparison to the nefarious and self serving actions of H.R. Clinton…and Obama.

thatsafactjack on April 25, 2014 at 4:26 PM

shrillary has a hard time following anything because she’s an ignorant r-tard only concerned with her own power grab. She isn’t even concerned about communism (her own tendency toward it) or the future viability of the USA.

She has her head buried too far in her a$$ to worry about such things. She has no more business being in office than any other progressive pig out there.

Diluculo on April 25, 2014 at 4:26 PM

And do not misunderstand me…..I hate progressives, and yes, they are all pigs not worthy of drawing their next breath.

Diluculo on April 25, 2014 at 4:27 PM

….and that goes double for the progressive trolls here.

Diluculo on April 25, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Snowden’s actions pale in comparison to the nefarious and self serving actions of H.R. Clinton…and Obama.

thatsafactjack on April 25, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Amen, J.

bazil9 on April 25, 2014 at 4:28 PM

She has her head buried too far in her a$$ to worry about such things. She has no more business being in office than any other progressive pig out there.

Diluculo on April 25, 2014 at 4:26 PM

.
You need to open up and stop repressing your feelings ragarding this hag.

/s

;->

PolAgnostic on April 25, 2014 at 4:29 PM

I forget: whose head at NSA has rolled over any of this – either that Snowden got away with all this info-loot, or that NSA was so far up our collective colon?

Akzed on April 25, 2014 at 4:30 PM

thatsafactjack on April 25, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Well said Jackie!!!

bazil9 on April 25, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Hope you are feeling better.

CoffeeLover on April 25, 2014 at 4:30 PM

CoffeeLover on April 25, 2014 at 4:30 PM

lil bit. Ty. =)

bazil9 on April 25, 2014 at 4:31 PM

If anybody didn’t think Rodham Clinton wasn’t Stalin’s ideological daughter before,….

Steve Eggleston on April 25, 2014 at 4:32 PM

This is a wedge issue we need to make a huge deal out of. Rand Paul is the best candidate to do it, but he has other problems. Probably it will be a non-issue in the general, but we might be able to use it against Hillary in the primary.

Missy on April 25, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Snowden’s actions pale in comparison to the nefarious and self serving actions of H.R. Clinton…and Obama.

thatsafactjack on April 25, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Snowden revealed CRIMES being committed against Americans by our government, a government that Her Royal Thighness was part of.

It’s Hillary and Obama that should be arrested, put on trial, and potentially executed for Treason.

ConstantineXI on April 25, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Good for her.

If you think the US government is such a threat to your liberty – and it is potentially a threat – that you ignore or dismiss the harmful and deliberate consequences of what Snowden did then I believe you are mistaken.

Sorry, I see your concern but I think you’re not looking at this issue in the larger context.

Call me a RINO – whatever that means in this matter – but so be it.

SteveMG on April 25, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Jeebus, what was Huma thinking that morning sending Hillary out the door dressed like that?

BL@KBIRD on April 25, 2014 at 4:35 PM

I had to look twice. Is that Jabba the Hut?
Edward Snowden is in the Hotel California. He can check out anytime he likes, but he can never leave. Russia will give him an isotope. But, I fully expect Barry to pardon him before he shuts the lights off on America.

TinFin on April 25, 2014 at 4:35 PM

True colors

ConservativePartyNow on April 25, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Did Hillary Clinton just make herself a witness in Edward Snowden’s future trial with her comments?

BigGator5 on April 25, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Trick question. Snowden didn’t approve, use or fund the spying on US citizens. He simply made it public knowledge that others did those things.

Kinda like a journalist.

BobMbx on April 25, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Kinda. And it was a trick question. But ignore that and look at the point I was trying to make. ;)

Personally, I don’t think Snowden told anything to the Russians that the Russians didn’t already know. Seeing the Keystone Kops (and this is an insult to the Kops) in office does anyone really think that any secrets worth keeping aren’t already known?

Idiots and corruptocrats in office are more damaging than anything Snowden could leak, imho.

kim roy on April 25, 2014 at 4:38 PM

But, I fully expect Barry to pardon him before he shuts the lights off on America.

TinFin on April 25, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Nope. Barack HUSSEIN Obama, the transparently thin skinned Emperor of the United States regards Snowden’s revelations as an attack against him.

ConstantineXI on April 25, 2014 at 4:39 PM

I think turning over a lot of that material—intentionally or unintentionally—drained, gave all kinds of information, not only to big countries, but to networks and terrorist groups and the like.

Is she talking about Snowden or her husband and his relationship with the Chinese?

BobMbx on April 25, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Shhh, I’ll tell y’all the biggest accomplishment of SoS Hillary.

She was the first one, evahhhhh, to visit…are you ready? Togo.

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 4:09 PM

She’s got Floyd Robertson’s endorsement! Too bad he’s a Canadian…

Del Dolemonte on April 25, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Did Hillary Clinton just make herself a witness in Edward Snowden’s future trial with her comments?

BigGator5 on April 25, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Trial? Snowden’s never leaving Soviet Russia alive.

Steve Eggleston on April 25, 2014 at 4:49 PM

So tired of seeing/hearing from this woman..and it’s only 2014.

ToddPA on April 25, 2014 at 4:52 PM

In fact, she wonders aloud why he didn’t stay put and seek legal protection for his disclosures under whistleblower laws — a sore point for Snowden and his supporters since day one.

come on. There are no working laws under Obama.

the_nile on April 25, 2014 at 4:54 PM

‘Tis the greatest treason,
To do the right deed for the wrong reason”

SteveMG on April 25, 2014 at 5:01 PM

The rest of the party trusts Obama to be a responsible actor and thus tolerates surveillance — so long as it’s overseen by a Democrat.

You don’t have to have a lobotomy to be a Democrat, but it helps!

GarandFan on April 25, 2014 at 5:02 PM

He don’t feel no ways tiaard!

trs on April 25, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Hillary went from getting our countrymen killed in Benghazi and chiding us “What does it matter?”, to now being concerned.

She supported the traitor Snowden, and now has changed her tune.

She has watched as journalists lied or stood silent when our liberites were being stolen as she politically gained the benefits, and now…she talks about journalisms failure?

What’s next- re-framing the Russian reset?

Can you say disingenuous and politically motivated?

We don’t need another political manipulator only focused on her own self-interest. We need a president. And she is nothing but another piece of the past. It’s time to move beyond the same old tired, dishonest, disingenuous politicians. We need new blood in Washington.

Marcus Traianus on April 25, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Please, please run her you stupid ass leftist progs.

Bmore on April 25, 2014 at 5:11 PM

God help us if this wildebeest in a pants suit gets to become POTUS…

bimmcorp on April 25, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Day-um she got big.

2lbsTest on April 25, 2014 at 5:18 PM

God help us if this wildebeest in a pants suit gets to become POTUS…

bimmcorp on April 25, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Said it before and I’ll say it again. She ain’t black Chicago Jesus. Ain’t no way the media’s gonna make this pig look good. And I don’t think they’ll try all that hard.

Applehead on April 25, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Shockingly, Harry Reid is a crook. This is the 2nd article in two days.

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 5:21 PM

So tired of seeing/hearing from this woman..and it’s only 2014.

ToddPA on April 25, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Are you sure they have another first?

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Still empty

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Yeah you pathetic loser!!

Real traitors and spies NEVER blow there cover and run back to the motherland!

-Hillary

WryTrvllr on April 25, 2014 at 5:28 PM

their, yeah yeah yeah

WryTrvllr on April 25, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Jeebus, what was Huma thinking that morning sending Hillary out the door dressed like that?

BL@KBIRD on April 25, 2014 at 4:35 PM

If Herself decides to not run, the first sign we will have will be in her appearance. If she lets herself go as she did for a while after the election in 2008, you know, greasy hair, little makeup, then it’s all off.

slickwillie2001 on April 25, 2014 at 5:41 PM

The rapist’s spouse becomes more heiferish with every passing day.

Murphy9 on April 25, 2014 at 6:01 PM

“I don’t understand.” Then don’t run for President.

Dissembling or being horribly wrong about an issue is far from great, but I really can’t stand politicians who play the idiot. I feels like a clear symptom of corruption and willful ignorance.

On a side note, she sounds as lethargic as Obama during the first debate with Romney.

unfinishedSymphony on April 25, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Snowden haters are in good company/

iwasbornwithit on April 25, 2014 at 6:13 PM

What difference, at this point, does it make, Hillary?

thatsafactjack on April 25, 2014 at 4:07 PM

There’s a slapstick comedy movie called Hysterical, I think from the 80′s, that is pretty funny. I don’t want to give anything away, but the relevant bit is that the movie includes zombies, and one of the tell tale signs of whether or not somebody has been turned into a zombie is that they all say, “what difference does it make?”

If Hillary runs I hope that somebody will put together a video with all of the “what difference does it make?” clips from that movie spliced together with Hillary Clinton saying the same thing. And then finish it off with the clip of the guy on the bicycle in town telling the people in the care that they’re doomed. Oh, wait, actually he says it three or four times, so it could be mixed in at regular intervals along with the other clips of Killary and the zombies.

FloatingRock on April 25, 2014 at 6:21 PM

She doesn’t say explicitly that she’d preserve NSA surveillance as is

That sick freak would increase it to the point of looking up our colons if she could.

VorDaj on April 25, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Snowden haters are in good company/

iwasbornwithit on April 25, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Purely coincidental.

WryTrvllr on April 25, 2014 at 6:57 PM

She doesn’t say explicitly that she’d preserve NSA surveillance as is

That sick freak would increase it to the point of looking up our colons if she could.

VorDaj on April 25, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Yep, when she stole the FBI Congress files in 1995 she took a big risk. The NSA can do that now and much more with the press of a button.

slickwillie2001 on April 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM

What greater treason is there in a bureaucracy than for a staffer to rat out his bosses? Especially when they’re in the wrong? So, yes, Snowden’s a ‘traitor’, but not a traitor.

PersonFromPorlock on April 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM

FloatingRock on April 25, 2014 at 6:21 PM

That’s a good idea. I think the juxtaposition of the zombies is a good one, too, and highlights the mindlessness of the bureaucracy.

H.R. Clinton should be confronted with that statement, that willful outburst, for the rest of her days in every way, and at every opportunity, possible. It is the albatross around her neck in every sense of the word and the single most revealing statement she’s every made publicly.

It is my personal hope that it echoes across her consciousness the rest of her days.

thatsafactjack on April 25, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Snowden is a traitor, and you who believe the NSA is spying on you don’t know what the h e l l you are talking about. Nor do any of you who say he didn’t tell the Russians or Chinese anything they didn’t already know, as if that makes it okay. Pure sophistry. You were duped right from the beginning by him.

rlwo2008 on April 25, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Since Hillary said it Dems will align themselves with it so as to express the presumed coronation

Cleer1 on April 25, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Can’t figure out if Hilary looks more like Ben Franklin or Mrs. Doubtfire

WhatsAMattaU on April 26, 2014 at 2:12 AM

Snowden alerted all of us about how unfree we are. Go to Hell all the Googles and related, the NSA too.

Name me one free/freer country/people, due to obama/Hillary/Kerry, I triple dare you.

Schadenfreude on April 25, 2014 at 4:12 PM

I agree with all that.

But Snowden thinking he could use Russian politics to make clever points is retarded. Putin, not Snowden, is the reigning expert on Russian politics; if he thinks something is to his advantage it is, regardless of what some American nerd thinks. And it’s way too easy when you are in over your head in some other country to say things that are not good for your own nation.

Snowden was right to blow the whistle, but not to speak recently.

David Blue on April 26, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Snowden is a traitor, and you who believe the NSA is spying on you don’t know what the h e l l you are talking about. Nor do any of you who say he didn’t tell the Russians or Chinese anything they didn’t already know, as if that makes it okay. Pure sophistry. You were duped right from the beginning by him.

rlwo2008 on April 25, 2014 at 9:04 PM

I’ll have to remember that the NEXT time a voice comes over my phone and says “this conversation is being recorded”.

Just for shyts and giggles, throw the phrase “I’ll met you at the Iranian embassy” into a phone call.

WryTrvllr on April 27, 2014 at 1:29 AM

meet, yeah yeah yeah

WryTrvllr on April 27, 2014 at 1:35 AM