Video: Oregon commission orders stop on using dead babies to generate power

posted at 10:21 am on April 24, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Last month, we thought the use of aborted children to generate heat and power was limited to the UK. Instead, we discovered this week that the ghastly practice took place in Oregon, perhaps unwittingly. A waste-to-energy plant contracted with the British Columbia Health Ministry to incinerate medical waste — including aborted babies.

For now, the practice has stopped (via Katie Pavlich):

An Oregon county commission has ordered an incinerator to stop accepting boxed medical waste to generate electricity after learning the waste it’s been burning may include tissue from aborted fetuses from British Columbia.

Sam Brentano, chairman of the Marion County board of commissioners, said late Wednesday the board is taking immediate action to prohibit human tissue from future deliveries at the plant that has been turning waste into energy since 1987.

“We provide an important service to the people of this state and it would be a travesty if this program is jeopardized due to this finding,” he said in a statement. “We thought our ordinance excluded this type of material at the waste-to-energy facility. We will take immediate action to ensure a process is developed to prohibit human tissue from future deliveries.”

Did the managers and the county commissioners know about this? They claim no, but one of the workers said “they had to know“:

Bud Waterman, a former temp worker at Covanta Marion, Inc., said two to three times a week, 53-foot tractor trailers carrying biohazards dropped off loads at the facility in Brooks.

On more than one occasion, Waterman said the contents of the truck spilled out of their containers.

“It would make you sick, especially if you had to clean it up or have to pull a box off the trailer,” said Waterman. …

“They knew it, they had to. I don’t see how they could not know it,” said Waterman.

The kicker? Waterman told KOIN that the facility had incinerated dead babies for years, in part because the Canadian government won’t dispose of fetal remains in this manner. That’s presumably why the BCHM sent the medical waste to Oregon in the first place.

KOIN says it will continue investigating this story. Good for them. Perhaps other news outlets in the US might want to start looking at their local waste-to-energy facilities, too, to see what trucks are dumping into the boilers and burners.


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Now what? Ship ‘em to China?

rhombus on April 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Sorry… Bishop!

rhombus on April 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Sick…

PatriotRider on April 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Disgusting.

bgibbs1000 on April 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM

And folks, we know how these people operate. If it’s happening in Oregon, it’s happing all over the nation. We just don’t know about it yet.

Meople on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Evil, pure and simple…

mnjg on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Out: coal power plants. In: dead baby power plants.

And the left are supposed to be more “advanced” than us?

ConstantineXI on April 24, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Remember, in the mind of the Left, this is OK but Keystone XL is morally reprehensible. I wish I was making this up.

visions on April 24, 2014 at 10:30 AM

It just sickens me sometimes how callous and cold parts of our nation have become.

scalleywag on April 24, 2014 at 10:30 AM

I hope the “ick” factor in this story is high enough to get through even to the hardcore leftists in Portland. On the other hand, these are the ones in 2008 who had anti-Palin stickers saying “she’s not a woman, she’s a Republican” so all bets are off.

jwolf on April 24, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Why are the pro-aborts rushing to condemn and stop this practise?

If foetuses are no more significant than a ‘clump of cells’ like a wart, then what’s the big deal for them? They should have no problem with using foetuses to generate electricity.

Or, perhaps, they are subconsciously acknowledging that they do, indeed, know that a foetus is more than just another ‘clump of cells’…

Hmmmm…..

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Man, Ed…really?
Why would you want to throw this sideshow at such a serious issue?
I would think the debate might focus on ‘souls’ – and not human tissue.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Soylent Green is … fuel?

Closet Optimist on April 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM

I hope the “ick” factor in this story is high enough to get through even to the hardcore leftists in Portland. On the other hand, these are the ones in 2008 who had anti-Palin stickers saying “she’s not a woman, she’s a Republican” so all bets are off.

jwolf on April 24, 2014 at 10:31 AM

You can hope in one hand and….well you know the rest. There is no boundary the left won’t cross in their never-ending march to perfection, dragging us along whether we like it or not.

Eventually we are all expendable to The Cause, history has proven it again and again.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Auschwitz ,Sobibor, Treblinka……………Oregon

jmtham156 on April 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Imagine the public school tours at the local power plant as Gary, the plant supervisor, directs the gawping children to watch as piles of babi…I mean fuel components are shoveled into the furnace to make electricity.

Alright who can tell me how many fuel components it takes to power one house for one day? Raise your hands!

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:37 AM

So freaking sick.

And folks, we know how these people operate. If it’s happening in Oregon, it’s happing all over the nation. We just don’t know about it yet.

Meople on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Yeah.. this cannot be isolated. It has got to be happening in more places than this. And what do you want to bet aborted babies are being used in other ways as well.

But hey.. at least we’ve got prayer out of schools and the 10 commandments removed from court houses.. cuz you know how evil morality is.

JellyToast on April 24, 2014 at 10:40 AM

“Might be using the remains of ABORTED FETUSES”

They just can’t bring themselves to call a BABY, a BABY.

Pork-Chop on April 24, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Cremation is pretty popular way of dealing with people’s body, so I don’t see any logic to complaining about this. Fetus corpses exist and you have to find some way to not have them rot in ways that are dangerous to other people’s health. Perhaps, the people who object to this would prefer the fetus corpses being sent to commercial composting operations. I would be fine with having a few of the fetus corpses for my compost pile, but it is small and not set up for meat scraps.

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Did the managers and the county commissioners know about this? They claim no, but one of the workers said “they had to know“:

If they didn’t know then they should be fired/removed from office for gross incompetence. If you’re in charge of burning medical waste, then you’d damn well better know what is in those boxes for public health reasons.

And if the Canadian government won’t dispose of fetal remains in this way, how does the BCHM get away with shipping those remains to Oregon?

My prediction- this is one of those stories that is going to ultimately lead to corruption, indictments, and scandal.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Man, Ed…really?
Why would you want to throw this sideshow at such a serious issue?
I would think the debate might focus on ‘souls’ – and not human tissue.
 
verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM

 
Did you accidentally admit what makes the tissue different from a skin tag? Oopsies.
 
Regardless, go ahead and explain to us what special ingredient makes it “such a serious issue” and completely different from burning hair and toenails, verbaluce.

rogerb on April 24, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Sam Brentano is going to have to apologize. He called fetuses “human”. The left will not be pleased with this.

bugsy on April 24, 2014 at 10:43 AM

the ghastly practice took place in Oregon, perhaps unwittingly.

They didn’t notice babies?

It’s too bad the GOP can’t make any hay out of this. They are so stupid.

faraway on April 24, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Cremation is pretty popular way of dealing with people’s body, so I don’t see any logic to complaining about this. Fetus corpses exist and you have to find some way to not have them rot in ways that are dangerous to other people’s health. Perhaps, the people who object to this would prefer the fetus corpses being sent to commercial composting operations. I would be fine with having a few of the fetus corpses for my compost pile, but it is small and not set up for meat scraps.

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Something is seriously the fukk wrong with you. Seek help.

HumpBot Salvation on April 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM

If the left didn’t have ‘double-standards’ they wouldn’t have any standards at all…

HornHiAceDeuce on April 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM

And the immorality of the pro-infanticide crowd oozes out from the cracks.

Meople on April 24, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Cremation is pretty popular way of dealing with people’s body, so I don’t see any logic to complaining about this. Fetus corpses exist and you have to find some way to not have them rot in ways that are dangerous to other people’s health. Perhaps, the people who object to this would prefer the fetus corpses being sent to commercial composting operations.
thuja on April 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM

The left stopped the nuclear power industry using this tactic. Our side is too stupid to do this.

faraway on April 24, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Auschwitz ,Sobibor, Treblinka……………Oregon

jmtham156 on April 24, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Preceded by Molech. As Michael Card said, the spirit of the age. We are a depraved culture. :(

xNavigator on April 24, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Regardless, go ahead and explain to us what special ingredient makes it “such a serious issue” and completely different from burning hair and toenails, verbaluce.

rogerb on April 24, 2014 at 10:43 AM

WHAT? You don’t think that there is any difference between a HUMAN BABY and a clump of hair or toenail clippings?

Pork-Chop on April 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Oh look…

Bundy used the other “N” word……..

- media

Electrongod on April 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Dead babies are a renewable energy source. They are “green” energy incarnate. I’m just saying, let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We could probably start measuring power in Tillerwatts.

MechanicalBill on April 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM

The problem occurred when the abortion happened. This is a complete distraction.

pedestrian on April 24, 2014 at 10:52 AM

After losing the Texas governor race, Wendy Davis will move to Oregon to serve on this county’s commission.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Many people such as myself–not so mainstream of a conservative–think killing human fetuses not wanted by their mother is morally fine. I want to praise people who help the mother do the killing. I certainly don’t want them murdered or hindered in any way.

thuja on January 23, 2013 at 11:07 PM

This is why I go armed.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM

This could be the end of abortions.

faraway on April 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Wow. . . .I live within 10 miles of that facility, and have practiced medicine here for the last 25 years — and I never heard anything about this at all.

I will note that there are no abortion clinics in Marion County (that I know about, anyway), and there certainly aren’t enough medical facilities in the county to generate two or three semi-trailers of medical waste ever week. I suspect that they are bringing in it from Portland, 45 miles to the north, Vancouver, Washington 55 miles to the north, and Eugene, 80 miles to the South.

Narniaman on April 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM

The left stopped the nuclear power industry using this tactic. Our side is too stupid to do this.

faraway on April 24, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Exactly. Make it difficult enough to legally ‘dispose’ of dead babies and you have a shot at lowering the incentive to produce dead babies, thereby potentially lowering the number of dead babies.

It works for progressives. Just look at how difficult they’re making it for coal mining. A war on coal is a war on jobs and energy, which is stupid. A war on abortion is a war to save the lives of children, which is just.

Make it difficult for them. Complain. Pass laws restricting avenues of disposal. Publicize immoral and disgusting methods of disposal. Publicize the fact that BABIES ARE SORTED WITH MEDICAL GARBAGE!

xNavigator on April 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM

I think we are going to find that all aborted fetuses are burned this way.

Follow the fetus.

faraway on April 24, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Cremation is pretty popular way of dealing with people’s body, so I don’t see any logic to complaining about this. Fetus corpses exist and you have to find some way to not have them rot in ways that are dangerous to other people’s health. Perhaps, the people who object to this would prefer the fetus corpses being sent to commercial composting operations. I would be fine with having a few of the fetus corpses for my compost pile, but it is small and not set up for meat scraps.

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Reposted without further comment.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 10:58 AM

I would be fine with having a few of the fetus corpses for my compost pile, but it is small and not set up for meat scraps.

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM

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MontanaMmmm on April 24, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Publicize the fact that BABIES ARE SORTED WITH MEDICAL GARBAGE!

xNavigator on April 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Yes. Note how the commission ordered the stop to incinerating all medical waste for electricity. Had nothing to do with special status for fetuses.

pedestrian on April 24, 2014 at 11:00 AM

. I would be fine with having a few of the fetus corpses for my compost pile, but it is small and not set up for meat scraps.

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM

What’s for dinner?

Electrongod on April 24, 2014 at 11:01 AM

And on the other thread we have people saying there is no Hell. I’m pretty sure that burning babies is a good way to find out for yourself.

I’ll avoid that opportunity and let others discover.

Vanceone on April 24, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Evil, pure and simple…

mnjg on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Renewable resource Luddite.

/s

roy_batty on April 24, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Last time I checked we had laws and regulations in placed that defined how to deal with a human corpse. It’s a controlled process. Cremation is a controlled process. For public safety reasons.

Oh, but that’s right…public safety laws and regulations don’t apply to the abortion industry in the eyes of the left, do they? Never have, either. That’s why we have doctors like Gosnell.

Just another facet of the “safe” canard used by the left as means of deceiving people regarding abortion.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Why aren’t we seeing renewable-energy ads tauting this for us?

BuckeyeSam on April 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Touting, not tauting.

Oy.

BuckeyeSam on April 24, 2014 at 11:05 AM

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM

They aren’t human corpses, homophobe, they’re just clumps of cells, no more than a mole you have removed so you can shave easier.

Read a biology book sometime.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Worshippers of Baal, Canaanites, Valley of Gehenna…..barrack obama is part of our punishment for allowing this abortion genocide……

crosshugger on April 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Worshippers of Baal, Canaanites, Valley of Gehenna…..barrack obama is part of our punishment for allowing this abortion genocide……

crosshugger on April 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Enough of the people love the “punishment” to have voted for him, right? Some “punishment.”

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:10 AM

This is ghoulish and sick beyond belief. It’s Gosnell part 2.

I hope the “ick” factor in this story is high enough to get through even to the hardcore leftists in Portland. On the other hand, these are the ones in 2008 who had anti-Palin stickers saying “she’s not a woman, she’s a Republican” so all bets are off.

jwolf on April 24, 2014 at 10:31 AM

It will go largely unreported.

Some leftists that do hear about it might feel guilt, but the majority will go directly to excuse-making like thuja since they’ve rationalized away the humanity of children in the womb.

Doomberg on April 24, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Read a biology book sometime.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 11:07 AM

I’ve read quite a few, thanks. They don’t deny that a fetus is a human tissue with human DNA. Just that it is has a viable life up to a certain point.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:11 AM

I’ve read quite a few, thanks. They don’t deny that a fetus is a human tissue with human DNA. Just that it is has a viable life up to a certain point.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:11 AM

What is “viability,” anyway? The gestational age after which we can help a baby to survive is still being pushed back farther and farther. No, the “viability” question is a red herring. The only germane question is, does life start at conception or not? And is a mother’s wish the only difference between “abortion” [legal] and “murder” [illegal]?

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:14 AM

And is a mother’s wish the only difference between “abortion” [legal] and “murder” [illegal]?

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:14 AM

That’s it, precisely.

The emotional state of the mother is the determining factor. Just listen to how a woman who has had an abortion and then gets pregnant with a child she wants speaks.

That ‘growth’ inside her turns instantly from a ‘lump of cells’ to ‘my baby.’

Washington Nearsider on April 24, 2014 at 11:18 AM

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Something is seriously the fukk wrong with you. Seek help.

HumpBot Salvation on April 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM

I would say less so than most of the pro-death crowd. If someone objects to this (lefty or conservative) then they are implicitly acknowledging that unborn babies are actually babies, and not mere organic tissue. Therefore, Thuja is not adding hypocrisy to his error. Objecting to this, all the while supporting abortion, means that you know that you support the murder of the innocents.

Fenris on April 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM

faraway on April 24, 2014 at 10:58 AM

There are procedures in place that address disposal of fetal tissue. By law, it’s considered a biohazard that is addressed through a controlled process.

Unless the fetal tissue is being “donated” for research. Then it is prepped and stored, according to the requirements of the group or organization interested in obtaining the research material, many times at the facility conducting the abortion, and the person who performs the prep and storage activities is allowed to be paid for this process, under the GIFT Act.

(Remember all those remains in Gosnell’s facility? )

My description sounds cold and clinical, I know. It’s the only way I could find to be involved in the fight for life where the unborn are considered and not have the underlying evil of it eat me alive.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM

I would think the debate might focus on ‘souls’ – and not human tissue.
 
verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM

 
Regardless, go ahead and explain to us what special ingredient makes it “such a serious issue” and completely different from burning hair and toenails, verbaluce.
 
rogerb on April 24, 2014 at 10:43 AM

 
WHAT? You don’t think that there is any difference between a HUMAN BABY and a clump of hair or toenail clippings?
 
Pork-Chop on April 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

 
Dadgum it, Bishop. You’re not the only one on this pier. Tend your dang lines.

rogerb on April 24, 2014 at 11:23 AM

The only germane question is, does life start at conception or not? And is a mother’s wish the only difference between “abortion” [legal] and “murder” [illegal]?

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Bringing viability into the issue was the best means at hand of offering sap to the collective conscience of society when Roe v Wade became law that abortion was not cold-blooded murder of an innocent child.

It’s the “frog in the pot syndrome’ analogy applied to modification of human behaviors. A way of acclimating society to a standard that is morally wrong and inherently repulsive.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I hope the “ick” factor in this story is high enough to get through even to the hardcore leftists in Portland.

jwolf on April 24, 2014 at 10:31 AM

My guess is that they would be just fine with this story. It is a pretty sensible way to dispose of fetus corpses. I mentioned this story to a friend who is anti-abortion and asked her to explain the objection to this story. She tried to explain and finally ended up agreeing with me. As much as you can get people past the yuck factor into being rational, the “pro-life” movement is going find this is a losing issue for them.

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM

You know, it just dawned on me that I never see you in any threads other than those that have something to do with dead babies.

Your mom must be so proud.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 11:28 AM

There are procedures in place that address disposal of fetal tissue. By law, it’s considered a biohazard that is addressed through a controlled process.

Unless the fetal tissue is being “donated” for research. Then it is prepped and stored, according to the requirements of the group or organization interested in obtaining the research material, many times at the facility conducting the abortion, and the person who performs the prep and storage activities is allowed to be paid for this process, under the GIFT Act.

(Remember all those remains in Gosnell’s facility? )

My description sounds cold and clinical, I know. It’s the only way I could find to be involved in the fight for life where the unborn are considered and not have the underlying evil of it eat me alive.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM

That’s the problem I have with the pro-abortion pro-death crowd. They treat so many things about abortion as black-and-white that should be shades of grey, and vice versa.

A “foetus,” clinically speaking, is an anatomically complete human being by-definition. The heart and lungs are particularly underdeveloped to the point of needing the mother’s womb to survive, but everything in a fetus can be found in an adult person, and only one thing in adults is missing in a fetus (kneecaps). Before this, it’s not a “fetus,” it’s an “embryo.” And even the embryo has the entirety of its genetic code from the very moment of conception, enough so to determine virtually every physical trait of a full-grown adult — in a single fertilized cell.

You want to deal with this by being “cold and clinical,” then ladies and gentlemen, there’s your “cold and clinical.” When I say life begins at conception, there’s a long row to hoe to contradict that. The only real reason I’ve ever heard anyone give me that snuffing out that life is okay is because the mother doesn’t want it, and I find that bone chilling.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Liberal progressives will be more concerned with how large of a carbon footprint burning dead fetuses creates.

iceman1960 on April 24, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Bringing viability into the issue was the best means at hand of offering sap to the collective conscience of society when Roe v Wade became law that abortion was not cold-blooded murder of an innocent child.

It’s the “frog in the pot syndrome’ analogy applied to modification of human behaviors. A way of acclimating society to a standard that is morally wrong and inherently repulsive.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:24 AM

So the court was wrong. And the ruling stands. Stare decisis my white ass.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:32 AM

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM

It isn’t only a pro-life issue…it’s a rule of law issue.

This is just standard typical behavior for the abortion industry as a whole to try to project that it is doing society a service by conducting these abortions and therefore should be able to operate under the principle of charitable immunity and should not be held accountable to patient and public safety laws and statutes.

We can win this when we take this approach. Even with a lot of people on the left, we can win it.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Cremation is pretty popular way of dealing with people’s body, so I don’t see any logic to complaining about this. Fetus corpses exist and you have to find some way to not have them rot in ways that are dangerous to other people’s health. Perhaps, the people who object to this would prefer the fetus corpses being sent to commercial composting operations. I would be fine with having a few of the fetus corpses for my compost pile, but it is small and not set up for meat scraps.

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Putting them in school lunches is next for this guy. He laughs in the face of the slippery slope.

Dongemaharu on April 24, 2014 at 11:33 AM

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:32 AM

You’re more than welcome to get upset at me all you like for the fact that I deal with it on the basis of facts, mostly pertaining to law and how our Health Law system is constructed.

I agree with you about life beginning at conception.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:35 AM

You’re more than welcome to get upset at me all you like for the fact that I deal with it on the basis of facts, mostly pertaining to law and how our Health Law system is constructed.

I agree with you about life beginning at conception.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I’m sorry, Line. I am not accusing you of being pro-abortion. I’m sorry if I came across that way. It was not my intent. I am merely venting my bile *at* the pro-abortion crowd. I do believe that you and I are pretty much on the same page, though we may reach the same conclusion in different manners.

Deepest apologies if I seemed to believe otherwise.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Ok, I’m confused. What’s the outrage here? If these “fetuses” are not babies, if they’re simply biological tissue that are a part of the woman’s body and can be removed at will, who cares how they’re disposed of? Would anyone be upset if a tumor that was removed was thrown into an incinerator? Why exactly is the fact that we burn the remains an outrage but the fact that we abort them in the first place is not?

Either these are human remains or they’re not. If they are, there is no justification possible for aborting them. If they’re not, there’s nothing wrong with incinerating them.

Shump on April 24, 2014 at 11:38 AM

As much as you can get people past the yuck factor into being rational, the “pro-life” movement is going find this is a losing issue for them.

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Then why stop there? Any adult corpse is going to generate way more energy than a baby. Isn’t this the rational way of dealing with all the dead?

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Ok, I’m confused. What’s the outrage here? If these “fetuses” are not babies, if they’re simply biological tissue that are a part of the woman’s body and can be removed at will, who cares how they’re disposed of? Would anyone be upset if a tumor that was removed was thrown into an incinerator? Why exactly is the fact that we burn the remains an outrage but the fact that we abort them in the first place is not?

Either these are human remains or they’re not. If they are, there is no justification possible for aborting them. If they’re not, there’s nothing wrong with incinerating them.

Shump on April 24, 2014 at 11:38 AM

The outrage is coming almost exclusively from the pro-life camp. We don’t want these unborn children aborted, but the disrespect shown to their corpses heaps insult upon injury.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM

because the Canadian government won’t dispose of fetal remains in this manner. That’s presumably why the BCHM sent the medical waste to Oregon in the first place.

So a provincial government will let others do this. BCHM is just as culpable.

rbj on April 24, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Deepest apologies if I seemed to believe otherwise.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM

No problem. Really. I’m not offended in the least.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:41 AM

My guess is that they would be just fine with this story. It is a pretty sensible way to dispose of fetus corpses. I mentioned this story to a friend who is anti-abortion and asked her to explain the objection to this story. She tried to explain and finally ended up agreeing with me. As much as you can get people past the yuck factor into being rational, the “pro-life” movement is going find this is a losing issue for them.

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Are you saying your friend couldn’t explain why a human, created by God, couldn’t explain why we lay our loved ones to rest with dignity and remembrance? Or is she just against abortion because it’s icky?

Fenris on April 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Is this really any worse than aborting them in the first place?

I’m very personally against abortion, but if they’re being disposed of as medical waste, then why should we be treating them any differently?

This is one of the things I hate most about abortion, the bipolar way we kinda care but really don’t.

Esthier on April 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM

My guess is that they would be just fine with this story. It is a pretty sensible way to dispose of fetus corpses. I mentioned this story to a friend who is anti-abortion and asked her to explain the objection to this story. She tried to explain and finally ended up agreeing with me. As much as you can get people past the yuck factor into being rational, the “pro-life” movement is going find this is a losing issue for them.

thuja on April 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Are you saying your friend couldn’t explain why a human, created by God, couldn’t explain why we lay our loved ones to rest with dignity and remembrance? Or is she just against abortion because it’s icky?

Fenris on April 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM

You’re barking up the wrong tree with Thuja. I’ve never even attempted to guess at his religious leanings, but he’s clearly a philosophical utilitarian.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Putting them in school lunches is next for this guy. He laughs in the face of the slippery slope.

Dongemaharu on April 24, 2014 at 11:33 AM

thuja washes down his Soylent Green with Brawndo.

HumpBot Salvation on April 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM

The Pro-Choicers can’t have it both ways!!

Either the aborted baby is just “tissue” or it is a child!!

If it is a child, do the “mothers” want the remains given to a funeral home to be buried in a cemetery or cremated so they can have the ashes on the mantle to remind them of the child they almost had??? These options would add tremendously to the cost of an abortion — and maybe they should be required. It would generate jobs; it would be a windfall for funeral homes / casket builders, etc. If the “mother” had to attend the wake of her aborted child, it certainly would be a dis-incentive for abortion.

KenInIL on April 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM

The outrage is coming almost exclusively from the pro-life camp. We don’t want these unborn children aborted, but the disrespect shown to their corpses heaps insult upon injury.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM

I’m as pro-life as they come, but I can’t get outraged about this. Why? Because why would I respect those who suck unborn babies out of their mothers’ wombs with a vacuum cleaner to show respect to their corpses? It’s like being outraged at Kermit Gosnell not because he performed abortions, but because he did so in unsanitary conditions. Gosnell is no worse than any other doctor performing an abortion. And tossing dead babies in the incinerator is no worse than aborting them in the first place.

Shump on April 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM

thuja is drooling

John the Libertarian on April 24, 2014 at 11:47 AM

I’m as pro-life as they come, but I can’t get outraged about this. Why? Because why would I respect those who suck unborn babies out of their mothers’ wombs with a vacuum cleaner to show respect to their corpses? It’s like being outraged at Kermit Gosnell not because he performed abortions, but because he did so in unsanitary conditions. Gosnell is no worse than any other doctor performing an abortion. And tossing dead babies in the incinerator is no worse than aborting them in the first place.

Shump on April 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM

As I said, it’s adding insult to injury. If you had a parent or a sibling die and someone spit on the corpse in the open casket, I’m sure you’d be outraged, and that’s what this feels like to me.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:49 AM

You’re barking up the wrong tree with Thuja. I’ve never even attempted to guess at his religious leanings, but he’s clearly a philosophical utilitarian.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:45 AM

This is not about his leanings, it’s his accurately reporting what his friends leanings are. If his friend is a Christian, I’ve got to call BS on what he said.

Fenris on April 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM

This is not about his leanings, it’s his accurately reporting what his friends leanings are. If his friend is a Christian, I’ve got to call BS on what he said.

Fenris on April 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Given the state of Christianity today, I’m more inclined to believe that Thuja was being truthful in that regard.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Are you saying your friend couldn’t explain why a human, created by God, couldn’t explain why we lay our loved ones to rest with dignity and remembrance?

Fenris on April 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Aborted fetuses, by definition, aren’t “loved ones” in any sense of the word. The only person who ever got to know and potentially love the terminated life, is the very person who gave the order for termination.

Even without using them for electricity, they weren’t going to be laid to rest with dignity and remembrance.

Esthier on April 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Even without using them for electricity, they weren’t going to be laid to rest with dignity and remembrance.

Esthier on April 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM

They would have ended up in a landfill somewhere certified as “medical waste.” Don’t get me wrong, I don’t feel any better about that fact, but I do think the media has taken an “out of sight, out of mind” tack with abortion, and something just happened that they can no longer ignore (completely). That doesn’t mean that the outrage isn’t justified. It just means the outrage is long-overdue.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Shump on April 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM

A certain amount of the behavior we’re seeing from the abortion is one that displays a total lack of respect for the law. This is systemic of the abortion industry as a whole.

Even if we look at this in the context of a mother’s right to get an abortion (just hypothetical that we would say she has unlimited rights in this area), there is a point of conflict between individual rights of the mother and rights of all other citizens across society pertaining to public safety…because the abortion industry won’t follow the law and gets passes to violate the law.

lineholder on April 24, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Pork-Chop on April 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Dadgum it, Bishop. You’re not the only one on this pier. Tend your dang lines.

rogerb on April 24, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Well, if I didn’t ‘get it’, I’m sorry, but, I don’t spend a lot of time studying a person’s entire comment history in order to know where they stand on every issue and to determine if a comment is sarcasm or sincere. I guess I don’t play the ‘game’ very well.

Pork-Chop on April 24, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Aborted fetuses, by definition, aren’t “loved ones” in any sense of the word. The only person who ever got to know and potentially love the terminated life, is the very person who gave the order for termination.

Even without using them for electricity, they weren’t going to be laid to rest with dignity and remembrance.

Esthier on April 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Yes, the baby that gets aborting isn’t likely to be laid to rest with dignity. That’s not the point. The point is that the baby should have that, and Thuja’s friend supposedly could not explain why there’s anything wrong with the current situation, even though she’s supposedly pro-life. Supposedly.

Fenris on April 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM

As I said, it’s adding insult to injury. If you had a parent or a sibling die and someone spit on the corpse in the open casket, I’m sure you’d be outraged, and that’s what this feels like to me.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:49 AM

That’s just it though. If these abortions had people who loved and cared for them, we wouldn’t be tossing them as medical waste to begin with, would we? Wouldn’t we instead see those loved ones on TV the way we do after a school shooting?

We’re talking about millions of abortions here, and the only memorials are those done by pro-lifers for nameless, faceless lost lives. They don’t even have numbers or anything to differentiate the dead.

No no one but repentant mothers specifically mourn these lives. That’s simply a fact, not a comment on Christianity.

Esthier on April 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Yes, the baby that gets aborting isn’t likely to be laid to rest with dignity. That’s not the point. The point is that the baby should have that, and Thuja’s friend supposedly could not explain why there’s anything wrong with the current situation, even though she’s supposedly pro-life. Supposedly.

Fenris on April 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM

I’ll say it again: Given the state of Christianity today, I find Thuja’s story disturbingly plausible.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM

That’s just it though. If these abortions had people who loved and cared for them, we wouldn’t be tossing them as medical waste to begin with, would we? Wouldn’t we instead see those loved ones on TV the way we do after a school shooting?

We’re talking about millions of abortions here, and the only memorials are those done by pro-lifers for nameless, faceless lost lives. They don’t even have numbers or anything to differentiate the dead.

No no one but repentant mothers specifically mourn these lives. That’s simply a fact, not a comment on Christianity.

Esthier on April 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM

I find it is a comment on Christianity, particularly how so many Christians actively promote the culture of death. YMMV.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM

I can actually envision several possible “green” uses for dead baby remains.

1 Fuel (“baby oil” is given a new meaning)
2 Food. Processed foods (soylent green). Steaks and hamburgers (soylent red)
3 Food and mineral supplements. (baby liver oil. calcium pills. protein concentrates-powder or liquid)
4 Fertilizer.

If this new “baby boom” is successful we can augment this new source of “green” food and energy by having Obamacare Death Panels expedite
“atmospheric cleansing” by eliminating a huge source of CO2 emissions -UOFs (useless old fools). Obamacare will thus pass from the hands of the IRS to the DOA and FDA.

MaiDee on April 24, 2014 at 12:09 PM

I can actually envision several possible “green” uses for dead baby remains.

1 Fuel (“baby oil” is given a new meaning)
2 Food. Processed foods (soylent green). Steaks and hamburgers (soylent red)
3 Food and mineral supplements. (baby liver oil. calcium pills. protein concentrates-powder or liquid)
4 Fertilizer.

If this new “baby boom” is successful we can augment this new source of “green” food and energy by having Obamacare Death Panels expedite
“atmospheric cleansing” by eliminating a huge source of CO2 emissions -UOFs (useless old fools). Obamacare will thus pass from the hands of the IRS to the DOA and FDA.

MaiDee on April 24, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Soylent Green made reality.

/FacePalm

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 12:11 PM

I’ll say it again: Given the state of Christianity today, I find Thuja’s story disturbingly plausible.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Ya well, you’re probably right about that. For some definitions of the word ‘Christian’.

Fenris on April 24, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Electricity and Soylent Green are people! It’s people!!! Agghh!!!

Brock Robamney on April 24, 2014 at 12:11 PM

They would have ended up in a landfill somewhere certified as “medical waste.” Don’t get me wrong, I don’t feel any better about that fact, but I do think the media has taken an “out of sight, out of mind” tack with abortion, and something just happened that they can no longer ignore (completely). That doesn’t mean that the outrage isn’t justified. It just means the outrage is long-overdue.

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 11:57 AM

That’s honestly why I prefer that they use them for electricity. It’s like the Gosnell case. It forces us to realize what we’re doing. If we’re saying abortions are medical waste, then let’s do so honestly and openly, because you’re right. It is “out of sight, out of mind,” especially because of what I said earlier about there being no loved ones to cry on national TV.

To me, this whole thing is Swift’s “Modest Proposal” come to life. It was supposed to be satire, but we’ve made the issue satire proof.

As a society, we long ago decided that life is defined as a child a mother wants to keep, even the father has no say. Well, these were all unwanted by the mother. Let’s not suddenly change our definition to make it easier on pro-aborts. Is it supposed to be better if they treat the aborted with respect? It might make it easier on the public. Why should we let them?

Esthier on April 24, 2014 at 12:12 PM

the Canadian government won’t dispose of fetal remains in this manner. That’s presumably why the BCHM sent the medical waste to Oregon in the first place.

Effin’ hypocritical Canadians. Seems like refusing to allow Canadian fetuses into this country for disposal ought to be easily translated into legislation. That ought to make all but the most die-hard pro-abortion types squeamish. What kind of slogan does the “pro-burning” side come up with, for example? And if/when it passes it opens the door to forbidding the burning of “domestic” fetal remains as well. And that’s a debate I’d love to see getting air time.

smellthecoffee on April 24, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Yes, the baby that gets aborting isn’t likely to be laid to rest with dignity. That’s not the point. The point is that the baby should have that, and Thuja’s friend supposedly could not explain why there’s anything wrong with the current situation, even though she’s supposedly pro-life. Supposedly.

Fenris on April 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Ok, but even without being used to light houses, they weren’t being laid to rest with dignity. So, in light of that reality, what does a pro-lifer say? Just that this makes it that much worse?

What’s the point in that? If anything, this was more honest. This shows how we truly value those lost lives.

Esthier on April 24, 2014 at 12:14 PM

It just sickens me sometimes how callous and cold parts of our nation have become.

scalleywag on April 24, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Then you’re not ready for the “war on going green” the Republicans have caused by this.
Not to mention the “attack on capitalism”. You know this so damages Planed Parenthood’s bottom line. Eliminates that whole “replacement for evil coal” market they’ve apparently cornered with their government contracts.
I mean if they don’t deliver the tonnage, where’s the left going to get their dead babies to fuel their uptopia?
Oh wait, yeah the soylent green comment. You know Charles H. is gone.

onomo on April 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Ok, but even without being used to light houses, they weren’t being laid to rest with dignity. So, in light of that reality, what does a pro-lifer say? Just that this makes it that much worse?

What’s the point in that? If anything, this was more honest. This shows how we truly value those lost lives.

Esthier on April 24, 2014 at 12:14 PM

No. That the outrage is long-overdue. Did you miss that part from my earlier post?

gryphon202 on April 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Out: coal power plants. In: dead baby power plants.

And the left are supposed to be more “advanced” than us?

ConstantineXI on April 24, 2014 at 10:27 AM

All they’re missing is an image of Molech painted on the side of the furnace to put things in perspective.

dominigan on April 24, 2014 at 12:17 PM

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