Dumb new controversy: Should the 9/11 Museum mention jihad?

posted at 3:01 pm on April 24, 2014 by Allahpundit

The silver lining in this gray cloud of revisionism is that, if this dispute ends up becoming a partisan flashpoint, it’ll be amusing to watch lefties scramble to denounce references to “Islamism” and “jihad” in their own previous writing about AQ. Potentially it’s a more sinister version of the “Redskins” follies, albeit with a much accelerated timeline towards Enlightenment.

Personally, I think all historical chronicles should leave the audience ignorant of the key players’ motives.

The film, “The Rise of Al Qaeda,” refers to the terrorists as Islamists who viewed their mission as a jihad. The NBC News anchor Brian Williams, who narrates the film, speaks over images of terrorist training camps and Qaeda attacks spanning decades. Interspersed are explanations of the ideology of the terrorists, from video clips in foreign-accented English translations…

Museum officials are standing by the film, which they say was vetted by several scholars of Islam and of terrorism. A museum spokesman and panel members described the contents of the film, which was not made available to The New York Times for viewing…

[F]or Mr. Elazabawy, and many other Muslims, the words “Islamic” and “Islamist” are equally inappropriate to apply to Al Qaeda, and the word “jihad” refers to a positive struggle against evil, the opposite of how they view the terrorist attacks.

“Don’t tell me this is an Islamist or an Islamic group; that means they are part of us,” he said in an interview. “We are all of us against that.”

They’ve already convinced the museum to remove a reference to “Islamic terrorism” inside the building and the museum vows that the film will be screened in a room with some infopanels on the wall about Al Qaeda’s not-all-Muslims fringiness, but officials are drawing the line at excising “Islamist” and “jihad.” How come? Because, I think, even in deeply liberal New York, that’s a whitewash too far. Everyone knows the truth so obscuring it will only make the museum look lame and cowardly. In fact, notwithstanding my jab at lefties up top, I’d be surprised if a majority of them sided with the interfaith group here instead of the museum. It’s one thing to support the Ground Zero mosque in the name of absolving Islam of any connection to 9/11. It’s another to censor Bin Laden’s own words in a building designed as an historical record of what happened and why. Or am I giving them too much credit? Someone should poll this, stat.

Reminds me a bit of the statue that was once planned of three FDNY firefighters raising the flag at Ground Zero after the attack. Remember that? The three men in the famous photo of the flag-raising were white but the statue based on the photo would have changed the racial features on two of them to symbolize the shared sacrifice of the day. That was objectionable as historical revisionism and for insinuating that American unity and resolve after the attack couldn’t be captured by three white guys, but the changes wouldn’t have obscured the basic point of the statue. The proposed changes to “Islamism” and “jihadism” would. If you can’t trust a museum devoted to 9/11 to quote the people behind the attack accurately, don’t go. It means you can’t trust anything else there either. We’ll see if they cave.

Exit question: Has anyone thought to interview big-media superstar Brian Williams about his part in the film? It’d be interesting to hear him defend the “jihad” rhetoric.


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Jihad

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Islamists

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Workplace violence.

Man-caused disaster.

Take your pick.

BobMbx on April 24, 2014 at 3:04 PM

It should be at the very least mentioned that 19 out of the 19 terrorist murderers were Muslim and what they did was what Mohammad would have wanted. If they don’t at the very least do that, they are worthless.

VorDaj on April 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM

The original meaning of the word “jihad” has been hijacked. It means “struggle.” You know, like Mein Kampf meant struggle.

lol religion.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Whatever King Obama decides……..

Electrongod on April 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM

lol religion.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM

lol talking genitalia

Axe on April 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM

I’ve been to Ground Zero, but I will never go to this sham of a museum.

NavyMustang on April 24, 2014 at 3:10 PM

lol talking genitalia

Axe on April 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM

lol invisible man in the sky to be afraid of

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:11 PM

tragedy resulting from spontaneous structural collapse

Mitochondrion on April 24, 2014 at 3:11 PM

lol talking genitalia
Axe on April 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM

This made me legit laugh out loud

blatantblue on April 24, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Can’t be the inclusive party by supporting things some find offensive. The word jihad has to go. Besides, they only do it out of love.

xblade on April 24, 2014 at 3:12 PM

The film, “The Rise of Al Qaeda,” refers to the terrorists as Islamists who viewed their mission as a jihad.

They were not “Islamists”. They were Muslims following Mohammad and the Koran. “Islamists” and “Islamism” are uber-PC words the only purpose of which is to lie and absolve Islam.

VorDaj on April 24, 2014 at 3:13 PM

The original meaning of the word “jihad” has been hijacked. It means “struggle.” You know, like Mein Kampf meant struggle.

lol religion.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM

‘Cuz, like, um, ya know, the man who said the following was totally into religion or something…\

“It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and that the whole of the German Folk should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbo jumbo… As a sane German, one is flabbergasted to think that German human beings could have let themselves be brought to such a pass by Jewish filth and priestly twaddle, that they were little different from the howling dervish of the Turks and the negr*es, at whom we laugh so scornfully. It angers one to think that, while in other parts of the globe religious teaching like that of Confucius, Buddha and Mohammed offers an undeniably broad basis for the religious-minded, Germans should have been duped by a theological exposition devoid of all honest depth.”

·

“I promise you that if I wanted to I could destroy the Church in just a few years. It is hollow, it is rotten and false through and through. One push and the whole structure would collapse. We should trap the preachers by their notorious greed and self-indulgence. We shall thus be able to settle everything with them in perfect peace and harmony. I shall give them a few years’ reprieve. Why should we quarrel? They will swallow anything in order to keep their material advantage. The parsons will be made to dig their own graves; they will betray their God for us. They will betray anything for the sake of their miserable jobs and incomes.”

·

“This pride of race is a quality which the German, fundamentally, does not possess. The reason for this is that for these last three centuries the country has been torn by internal dissension and religious wars and has been subjected to a variety of foreign influences, to the influence, for example, of Christianity—for Christianity is not a natural religion for the Germans, but a religion that has been imported and which strikes no responsive chord in their hearts and is foreign to the inherent genius of the race.”

·

“But for the coming of Christianity, who knows how the history of Europe would have developed? Rome would have conquered all Europe, and the onrush of the Huns would have been broken on the legions. It was Christianity that brought about the fall of Rome—not the Germans or the Huns. What Bolshevism is achieving to-day on the materialist and technical level, Christianity had achieved on the metaphysical level. When the Crown sees the throne totter, it needs the support of the masses.”

·

“As soon as the idea was introduced that all men were equal before God, that world was bound to collapse.”

The man who said all of that was, of course, Adolf Hitler.

Nazism Was Not Based In Christianity

Oh, and I’m an atheist before you go off half-cocked about me being some religious fanatic.

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 3:13 PM

This is interesting and somewhat relevant

CrazyGene on April 24, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Insane. Hey, screw remembering the fallen and the attack, why not turn it into a museum celebrating Islam instead? We’re practically there, anyway.

changer1701 on April 24, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Like demanding a holocaust museum not use the word nazi

Ellis on April 24, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Jihad is what Hussein says what jihad is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugAQu4Hk7HM
This was when he went for his victory run after jihad in Mumbai, India

burrata on April 24, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Of course… I’m sure Holocaust museums can get by without mentioning “Nazi” or “Hitler”, too… /s

HornHiAceDeuce on April 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 3:13 PM

wat

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Nazism Was Not Based In Christianity

Oh, and I’m an atheist before you go off half-cocked about me being some religious fanatic.

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 3:13 PM

And NAZI means National Socialist.

crankyoldlady on April 24, 2014 at 3:18 PM

I guess it works. You strip the words from the dictionary, and it becomes impossible to record the idea. A board room of idiots scratching themselves, not even speaking, just scratching, ’cause there are no words for . . . *exasperation*

Axe on April 24, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 3:13 PM

wat

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Nazis. Mein Kampf. Not “lol religion”.

Axe on April 24, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Everyone knows the truth so obscuring it will only make the museum look lame and cowardly.

The Eloi Museum can’t possibly outshine the nation as a whole.

BL@KBIRD on April 24, 2014 at 3:21 PM

wat

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Put some salve on it…it’ll hurt less.

BlaxPac on April 24, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Mohammed was a pedophile.

reddevil on April 24, 2014 at 3:21 PM

I think my comment on the headlines thread bears repeating:

“islamist” and “jihadist” are perfectly legitimate terms, descriptive and useful.

The real issue is that many Muslims don’t want these terms used at all. If they want to distinguish themselves from Islamists and jihadists among them, they should do so, loudly and publicly.

But they don’t. They won’t. They are afraid of the backlash from…other Muslims.

Much safer, and easier for those in denial, to engage in a PC jihad against the use of words that cast light on the evil that infests the ummah. In this effort they have the willing assistance of useful idiots, not all of whom are on the Left.

novaculus on April 24, 2014 at 11:05 AM

As another commenter pointed out, a great many Muslims believe in Islamist supremacy and jihad. (Not to mention an entire litany of other Islamist perversions.) Their reasons for bitching about the use of these terms are simply deceptive and evil.

novaculus on April 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM

The original meaning of the word “jihad” has been hijacked. It means “struggle.” You know, like Mein Kampf meant struggle.

lol religion.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM

The original meaning of liberal has been hijacked.

As Erin Ching, a student at 60-grand-a-year Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania, put it in her college newspaper the other day: ‘What really bothered me is the whole idea that at a liberal arts college we need to be hearing a diversity of opinion.’ Yeah, who needs that? There speaks the voice of a generation: celebrate diversity by enforcing conformity.

Liberal arts college, go figure. What a sad country.

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Put some salve on it…it’ll hurt less.

BlaxPac on April 24, 2014 at 3:21 PM

lol — no it won’t. :)

Axe on April 24, 2014 at 3:23 PM

So do they want to say it was those radical Methodists trying to enforce their bland dinners on humanity that did it?

Or just a buncha guys who found themselves on the same day getting the bright idea to attack the Nation with civilian jetliners and that weren’t part of a religious group that backed them to do it?

Perhaps it was a random accident that all these guys were part of an Islamic terror organization seeking to bring down the western world and it was pure and absolute coincidence they all arrived on jetliners that all had serious control problems with severe loss of life?

ajacksonian on April 24, 2014 at 3:23 PM

“We are all of us against that.”

Yeah, every time there’s an AQ attack someplace, we can count on you TO SPEAK UP.

Oddly enough, we hear NOTHING!

GarandFan on April 24, 2014 at 3:23 PM

A compromise, call them “Friends of Obama, but less destructive”.

the_nile on April 24, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Nazis. Mein Kampf. Not “lol religion”.

Axe on April 24, 2014 at 3:19 PM

I include Nazism in religion I mean. They’re all lol

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:23 PM

How do the Muslims feel about the crusades…cleaning up the lingo?

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2014 at 3:24 PM

I have faith that the good Muslims are way stronger than this.

Why don’t you?

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Blame it on the racist teabaggers!

Ward Cleaver on April 24, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I think all historical chronicles should leave the audience ignorant of the key players’ motives.

why?
if the motives are well known and specifically stated why hide them?
do you think people would then be curious and research to find out the motives?

dmacleo on April 24, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Have I ever mentioned how frustrating it is to have a comment go into moderation?

novaculus on April 24, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Reminds me a bit of the statue that was once planned of three FDNY firefighters raising the flag at Ground Zero after the attack. Remember that? The three men in the famous photo of the flag-raising were white but the statue based on the photo would have changed the racial features on two of them to symbolize the shared sacrifice of the day

So we’ll have to change “Islam” to “Lutheran.”

rbj on April 24, 2014 at 3:26 PM

dmacleo on April 24, 2014 at 3:25 PM

/s

novaculus on April 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM

We’ll see if they cave.

They will.

burrata on April 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM

These Muslims getting butt-hurt over Al Qaeda being called “Islamists” is like Christians getting offended that Westboro Baptists being called Christians. I don’t get offended at that. I just get offended at the actions of the Westboro Baptists.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 3:28 PM

I can see one troll already who’s destined to get the stick.

Ward Cleaver on April 24, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Oh, and I’m an atheist before you go off half-cocked about me being some religious fanatic.

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company. – Mark Twain

Nazism Was Not Based In Christianity

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Between these two religions [Christianity and Islam], thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus.

The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force.

The fundamental doctrine of the Christian religion, is the extirpation of hatred from the human heart. It forbids the exercise of it, even towards enemies. There is no denomination of Christians, which denies or misunderstands this doctrine. All understand it alike—all acknowledge its obligations; and however imperfectly, in the purposes of Divine Providence, its efficacy has been shown in the practice of Christians, it has not been wholly inoperative upon them. Its effect has been upon the manners of nations. It has mitigated the horrors of war—it has softened the features of slavery—it has humanized the intercourse of social life.

The unqualified acknowledgement of a duty does not, indeed, suffice to insure its performance. Hatred is yet a passion, but too powerful upon the hearts of Christians. Yet they cannot indulge it, except by the sacrifice of their principles, and the conscious violation of their duties. No state paper from a Christian hand, could, without trampling the precepts of its Lord and Master, have commenced by an open proclamation of hatred to any portion of the human race. The Ottoman [Muslim] lays it down as the foundation of his discourse.
- John Quincy Adams

VorDaj on April 24, 2014 at 3:28 PM

/s

novaculus on April 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM

not sure what you are trying to say there.

dmacleo on April 24, 2014 at 3:31 PM

To not mention “Jihad” in a museum dedicated to the memory of 9/11 would be anti intilectual. But the hijackers were not motivated to cold blooded murder by Dr. Seuss were they?

dinsaour mike on April 24, 2014 at 3:32 PM

I can see one troll already who’s destined to get the stick.

Ward Cleaver on April 24, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Are you hitting on me? I should inform you I don’t swing that way (unless your name is Wentworth Miller).

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:32 PM

The Truth about Islam and Muslims

VorDaj on April 24, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Those silly terrorists are always whining about something.

Pork-Chop on April 24, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Why of course,..IslamicJihadyNutJobsGoons ought to be mentioned!!

It wasn’t disgruntled rabbitts who crashed the planes,..ugh!!

canopfor on April 24, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 3:13 PM

wat

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:17 PM

I see RWM hooked a not so bright one there. RWM, you may have seen, Bishbop? Oh…….and…….Jihad!

Bmore on April 24, 2014 at 3:39 PM

That has to be Crapitolist Hog.

Murphy9 on April 24, 2014 at 3:39 PM

“When people talk as if the Crusades were nothing more than an aggressive raid against Islam, they seem to forget in the strangest way that Islam itself was only an aggressive raid against the old and ordered civilization in these parts. I do not say it in mere hostility to the religion of Mahomet; I am fully conscious of many values and virtues in it; but certainly it was Islam that was the invasion and Christendom that was the thing invaded.”

– G.K.Chesterton (The Way of the Desert, The New Jerusalem)

Augustinian on April 24, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I have faith that the good Muslims are way stronger than this.

Why don’t you?

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2014 at 3:25 PM

There are no good Muslims. None at all. If someone is good, he is not really a Muslim as he is not a follower of Mohammad. He is an apostate.

VorDaj on April 24, 2014 at 3:41 PM

The jihad against mentioning jihad is jihad.

And they are aware of the terror group “Islamic Jihad?”

Ben Hur on April 24, 2014 at 3:41 PM

absolutely it should be displayed!

bigbyrd48 on April 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM

There would be no need to mention islam at all. Just show the video of the palestinians dancing in the streets superimposed on the video of the towers burning.

That will convey all the feeling towards islam the visitor will need to experience.

It forever turned me against them. To the point I wouldn’t shed a tear if they all starved to death.

ConstantineXI on April 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Mohammad, all Muslim’s “Perfect Man”, was a torture loving, mass murdering, mass enslaving, lying, thieving, little girl raping, sadistic ghoul – The Monster Who Walked The Earth. Islam has not one redeeming feature – it is the Plague.

VorDaj on April 24, 2014 at 3:43 PM

“Politically correct” needs to be thrown out with the trash. Until then, it needs to be ignored.

usmc594ever on April 24, 2014 at 3:44 PM

dmacleo on April 24, 2014 at 3:31 PM

“/s” is popular shorthand for sarcasm intended, often used when the sarcastic fear the subtlety of their remarks may confuse some folks. I think allah’s remark was intended to convey sarcasm, despite his failure to use the warning sign.

novaculus on April 24, 2014 at 3:44 PM

There would be no need to mention islam at all. Just show the video of the palestinians dancing in the streets superimposed on the video of the towers burning.

ConstantineXI on April 24, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Mexico City had a fair amount of that too. Of course, Mr. Depraved Indifference, Jeb Bush, would say “It’s Only Love”.

VorDaj on April 24, 2014 at 3:46 PM

I have a suggestion.
Let the film on jihad be shown,
but balance it with this video , for proper context of course
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=208t80uceSg

burrata on April 24, 2014 at 3:47 PM

/s

novaculus on April 24, 2014 at 3:27 PM

not sure what you are trying to say there.

dmacleo on April 24, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Allah was being sarcastic when he wrote that statement you commented on.

nextgen_repub on April 24, 2014 at 3:49 PM

From a draft of the description of what happened on 9/11, from the 9/11 museum:

During that tragic morning, the pilots of four aircraft all succumbed to bad Cinnabon, each passing out and requiring emergency measures be taken. At the time, 19 men from the Religion Of Peace volunteer to try and land the planes, as each had had some rudimentary kind of flight training. Unfortunately, as it turns out, they were all spectacularly bad pilots.

#historyscrubbed

Nethicus on April 24, 2014 at 3:51 PM

It will be interesting when the day arrives when progressives will have to choose between Gays and Abortion, or Islamic sensitivities.

Frankly I am so tired of the Northeast and far west (mostly California) I really don’t care anymore what happens to them. They wanted this world, they can have it.

William Eaton on April 24, 2014 at 3:54 PM

wat

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Since you equated Hitler with Islamists…

Islamists Get Their Nazi Salute On (Photo Essay With A Little Real History Thrown In)

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 3:55 PM

It will be interesting when the day arrives when progressives will have to choose between Gays and Abortion, or Islamic sensitivities.

Frankly I am so tired of the Northeast and far west (mostly California) I really don’t care anymore what happens to them. They wanted this world, they can have it.

William Eaton on April 24, 2014 at 3:54 PM

They have repeatedly chosen islam over anything else already.

the_nile on April 24, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Mention it?!? It should be the central theme!

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 3:59 PM

[F]or Mr. Elazabawy, and many other Muslims, the words “Islamic” and “Islamist” are equally inappropriate to apply to Al Qaeda, and the word “jihad” refers to a positive struggle against evil, the opposite of how they view the terrorist attacks.

Would they accept that explanation for the word “Crusade”?

LancerDL on April 24, 2014 at 4:00 PM

I don’t find this controversy “dumb” at all. Our unwillingness to define Islam accurately lies at the root of our ineffectiveness against global terror.

paul1149 on April 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM

From a draft of the description of what happened on 9/11, from the 9/11 museum:

During that tragic morning, the pilots of four aircraft all succumbed to bad poisoned Cinnabon, each passing out and requiring emergency measures be taken. At the time, 19 men from the Religion Of Peace volunteer to try and land the planes, as each had had some rudimentary kind of flight training. Unfortunately, as it turns out, they were all spectacularly bad pilots the plane’s controls had been sabotaged by Zionists.

#historyscrubbed

Nethicus on April 24, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Axe on April 24, 2014 at 4:06 PM

“/s” is popular shorthand for sarcasm intended, often used when the sarcastic fear the subtlety of their remarks may confuse some folks. I think allah’s remark was intended to convey sarcasm, despite his failure to use the warning sign.

novaculus on April 24, 2014 at 3:44 PM

gotcha, I thought maybe you my question was meant to be sarcastic so wanted to check.
truthfully it probably was a bit, the part about people researching at least.

dmacleo on April 24, 2014 at 4:10 PM

blink on April 24, 2014 at 4:17 PM

blink, just between you and me of course, I don’t think that one has the depth you might be looking for. ; )

Bmore on April 24, 2014 at 4:19 PM

The original meaning of the word “jihad” has been hijacked. It means “struggle.”

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM

so you jihad for coherence?
do you jihad to find a mate or jihad to pay for a one night stand?

dmacleo on April 24, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Greetings, denizens of Hot Air. I am a long time reader, short time commenter.

To answer the question: “YES”

Lord Whorfin on April 24, 2014 at 4:22 PM

RWM, you may have seen, Bishbop? Oh…….and…….Jihad!

Bmore on April 24, 2014 at 3:39 PM

lolz

Who is that?

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 4:28 PM

I’m no Robert Spencer, but the original meaning of jihad was struggle against the foes of Allah. There is no jihad in the gymnasium. The construction of a well in the Arabian desert involved quite a lot of struggle, but it had nothing to do with jihad.

So, yeah, jihad. Why they’d call it the 9/11 Museum rather than The Museum for the Remembrance of How Utterly Barbaric the Muslim World Remains is a mystery to me. I know it’s a bit mouthy, but nobody has a museum titled The 1939-1944 Museum when they have nothing but Holocaust material inside.

Muslim Douchebag Museum (I kinda like that one).

thejackal on April 24, 2014 at 4:41 PM

lolz

Who is that?

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Lolz!!! Hmmm….. let me think, who would have done such a thing. Hint. He loves you all up. ; )

Bmore on April 24, 2014 at 4:43 PM

If they aren’t allow to write the 9/11 history as they want it to be now, they’ll come back in a few months, after the brouhaha has died down and re-write it anyway. You know it’ll cost thousands, if not millions to do the re-write (rolls eyeballs), and their pockets will be re-filled.///

31giddyup on April 24, 2014 at 4:57 PM

No, of course not. Islam shouldn’t be mentioned at all.

I mean, these were just a bunch of innocent, peace-loving Muslims who got on four separate planes and found that the cockpit doors in each plane were wide-open and the flight crew mysteriously gone.

Lucky for the passengers, one or two of these believers in the Religion of Peace on each plane had received some flight training, and so were able to take control of each aircraft in order to try to save the lives of all on board.

Being the good men that they were, the new, saintly pilots of the planes in the Northeast thought that instead of just landing, they would give the fortunate passengers on their planes an aerial tour of New York City. Meanwhile, one of the “saviors-of-the-sky” thought his passengers might enjoy seeing Washington, D.C., and the fourth, who had always had a hankerin’ for a little patch of land in rural PA, thought he might overfly an especially pretty lot in Stoystown.

Unfortunately for these brave, brave men, two very tall buildings moved in front of the planes in NYC, the pilot of the plane over DC was mesmerized by the flashes of light coming off of medals worn by officers at the Pentagon, and unfortunately for the plane in Pennsylvania, the passengers didn’t understand how much the pilot loved them and PA real estate, and stupidly rushed the cockpit, causing the plan to crash.

Reno_Dave on April 24, 2014 at 5:21 PM

lol invisible man in the sky to be afraid of

Septic Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:11 PM

…and we get a dumbphuck troll?…they can’t afford someone amusing?…It’s boring on day one!

KOOLAID2 on April 24, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Screw them, the American People are alot more UPSET……HOPE THEIR ARE SICK TO DEATH

woody66 on April 24, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Personally, I think all historical chronicles should leave the audience ignorant of the key players’ motives.

Most of them do. The ruling elite has successfully quashed virtually all critical analysis of the government’s malfeasance in allowing, provoking, and in all likelihood even orchestrating the attacks. If the American intellectual class were not so thoroughly corrupted with far right ideology, they would be educating the working class on the ultimate culpability of the bourgeoisie and its lackeys in the government, the press, and the military.

Trotsky on April 24, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Someone want to clean the troll of the wall? It’ll stain.

CurtZHP on April 24, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Muslim disinformationist have long been trying to convince us infidels that there are many kinds of “jihad” with the violent struggle for Islam being the least important. This is a lie Pamela Geller has been fighting. The typical Muslim on the street knows what to think when someone calls for jihad, as he has for centuries.

The well respected historian Bernard Lewis writes:

” Some Muslims, particularly in modern times, have interpreted the duty of jihad in a spiritual and moral sense.
The more common interpretation, and that of the overwhelming majority of the classical jurists and commentators, presents jihad as armed struggle for Islam against infidels and apostates. Unlike “crusade,” it has retained its religious and military connotation into modern times. ”
http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/courses01/rrtw/Lewis01.htm

And of course the words “Islamic” and “Islamist” are appropriate. These Muslim terrorists were acting according to their understanding of Islam, as every Muslim knows.

Chessplayer on April 24, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Has anyone thought to interview big-media superstar Brian Williams about his part in the film? It’d be interesting to hear him defend the “jihad” rhetoric.

“Did I say that stuff? I recall being placed in front of a teleprompter, but it’s a blur after that. However, I condemn any interpretations of my words as negative toward the Religion of Peace in any way!”

KS Rex on April 24, 2014 at 6:39 PM

I’m reading Mark Steyn’s book Lights Out (link), and this is just one more example that supports his thesis 100% — the Western thought police are shutting down all speech that can in any way be construed as negative toward the Religion of Perpetual Outrage.

KS Rex on April 24, 2014 at 6:43 PM

lol invisible man in the sky to be afraid of

Septic Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 3:11 PM

…and we get a dumbphuck troll?…they can’t afford someone amusing?…It’s boring on day one!

KOOLAID2 on April 24, 2014 at 5:30 PM

This one’s stupid meter reads ‘Full’.

slickwillie2001 on April 24, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Trotsky on April 24, 2014 at 6:05 PM

America’s “intellectuals” are “right-wingers”?

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I don’t see a “/s” tag.
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Put down the hash pipe and slowly step away from it, Lev Davidovich. You’ve clearly had too much.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 24, 2014 at 8:26 PM

You put down the hash pipe first. That line is horary. The comment was sarcastic. Can’t you penetrate that when the person signed on as Trotsky? Do you require the /s tag? Come on! At least try.

bour3 on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 PM

bour3 on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 PM

1. I don’t do anything my doctor doesn’t prescribe.

2. Just after open reg, it helps if everyone follows SOP. It makes it easier to weed out the trolls and the genuinely infantile.

cheers

eon

eon on April 24, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Pat Condell: It’s good to be anti-Islam

Shy Guy on April 25, 2014 at 2:48 AM

In survey after survey between 20 and 30% of all muslims support violent jihad against the West. They claim between 1 and 1.5 billion muslims worldwide. So, 200m to 3000m muslims represent a “fringe” element?

I guess we’re lucky that this government would agree to any mention of Islam at all. Standby for footbaths and prayer rooms inside the museum itself. For muslims only, of course. You know, to make up for the insult.

Hucklebuck on April 25, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Pat Condell: It’s good to be anti-Islam

Shy Guy on April 25, 2014

Condell never disappoints!

thejackal on April 25, 2014 at 12:43 PM

I’ll never go there.
No way will they get it right.
Whitewash, guaranteed.

Haiku Guy on April 25, 2014 at 4:55 PM