Bundy’s comments on race provide breaking point for Paul, Heller; Update: Bundy affirms on radio show

posted at 9:34 am on April 24, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

And probably most other Cliven Bundy supporters as well, assuming that the New York Times report of his Saturday press conference is accurate. National Journal’s Brian Resnick described these comments as something “overheard” by the Times, but the Times report itself puts them in the context of an open meeting that took place after only two media outlets arrived for Bundy’s daily presser:

Cliven Bundy stood by the Virgin River up the road from the armed checkpoint at the driveway of his ranch, signing autographs and posing for pictures. For 55 minutes, Mr. Bundy held forth to a clutch of supporters about his views on the troubled state of America — the overreaching federal government, the harassment of Western ranchers, the societal upheaval caused by abortion, even musing about whether slavery was so bad.

“Overheard” isn’t quite accurate, in other words. This was a public event, and Bundy put his foot squarely in his mouth during it:

He said he would continue holding a daily news conference; on Saturday, it drew one reporter and one photographer, so Mr. Bundy used the time to officiate at what was in effect a town meeting with supporters, discussing, in a long, loping discourse, the prevalence of abortion, the abuses of welfare and his views on race.

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Yeesh. That’s about as ugly as it gets. It certainly got the attention of Senator Rand Paul, who had been one of Bundy’s supporters during the rancher’s standoff with the BLM. Paul’s office issued a statement distancing the Senator from Bundy, as Resnick reported:

“His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him,” Sen. Rand Paul said in a statement Thursday morning.

Closer to home, Bundy also lost Sen. Dean Heller, who had been arguing his case last week in a debate with Harry Reid:

Sen. Dan Heller, who the Times writes has called Bundy’s supporters “patriots,” offered this response to the paper via a spokesperson. He “completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way.”

This has always been a tricky case, one where sympathies and the law go in opposite directions, as John Hinderaker noted at Power Line last week. Legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg on which to stand, and his weird insistence that the federal government has no jurisdiction on federal land has no basis in law or reality. Having the BLM show up with a small army to collect a debt made it easy to sympathize with Bundy and to call their actions into question, but they’ve been pursuing this case through the courts for more than two decades, too, while Bundy grazes on federal land. The federal government may own too much land, but that’s an issue for the states to fight in court, not ranchers with guns.

Bundy doesn’t have a legal case. And it looks like sympathy just ran out for him, too.

Update: Jeff Dunetz advises conservatives who have sympathized with Bundy to walk away:

Cliven Bundy has broken the law to get what he wants.  He should fight within the system to change the law.  If he was going for an act of civil disobedience to make a statement, he should be prepared to accept the consequences. One of the consequences is confiscation of property including Elsie and all the other cows. But Mr. Bundy is trying to have it both ways break the law but face no consequences.  Beyond that I am not aware of any attempt of his to try and change the law, just his refusal to follow it.

In the end Cliven Bundy’s actions are indefensible from a conservative point of view while the federal government should not be owning the land—they do. In the end the govt. was protecting its property rights however unjustified they are.

Now that Mr. Bundy is shown to have at best racially insensitive beliefs, it time to end his 15 minutes of fame and its time for my conservative friends and colleagues who have shown him support to run away as fast as humanly possible.

Update: Bundy repeated the sentiment on Peter Schiff’s radio show today, stressing the use of “I’m wondering…”:

So the Times didn’t misquote Bundy. Mediaite also has video of Bundy making this statement originally. Conservatives didn’t buy the “I’m just asking questions” when 9/11 Truthers used that excuse; they shouldn’t accept it from Bundy either.


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Not that I would doubt the fishwrap of record…I mean, the Wise Old Grey Lady…but…:shrug:

BlaxPac on April 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

It has been verified that he made the comments. Check Ed’s Update.

TarheelBen on April 24, 2014 at 12:51 PM

I’m shocked the right’s favorite cause célèbre is openly racist. Shocked. This never happens. Ever.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Self-fulfilling prophecy of the racist-huntin’ left.

vlad martel on April 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM

You guys are completely insane.

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Don’t you have something to picket? That’s what you people do, innit?

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
The bold highlighted is the walk-off quote for many: Slavery of any unwilling person is wrong (please take note of the UNWILLING part), and should be shunned. To say that Bundy spoke poorly is an understatement.

However, I note that he didn’t call for Blacks to be enslaved now (ie: “round them up from the housing areas and enslave them”) he phrased it as a question (“Are they better off…?), which the answer that 99.999% of us would agree, would be NO, again regardless of ethnicity of the “poor” person.

Was it a awful way to make a comparison? No doubt about it, and I would hope he regrets his poor word/analogy choices.

BUT he IS right in this sense: an overabundance of subsidies from the Government has not done the Black community any favors regardless of the “Good Intentions” it may have started out and morphed into the soul sucking leviathan it is now..

BlaxPac on April 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM

The problem BlaxPac is that 90% of the people who read this will not understand that this is what he was talking about.

Pomai on April 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM

I’m shocked the right’s favorite cause célèbre is openly racist. Shocked. This never happens. Ever.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

What’s Rev Wright up to these days?

HumpBot Salvation on April 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM

I’m shocked the right’s favorite cause célèbre is openly racist. Shocked. This never happens. Ever.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Are you wearing your Che shirt when you attend the “Free Mumia!” rally at the local plaza later today? Send pics, please.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM

“You’re not a member of the Taliban, are you?” – Chuck Hagel, Secretary of Defense

While taking questions at an event at the University of Nebraska on Wednesday, Hagel asked an Indian man if he was a member of the Taliban before the man asked his question. The man, Robin Gandhi, is an assistant professor at the University of Nebraska. Video of the exchange can be found here.

davidk on April 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM

triple

OFA algorithm.

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

You guys are completely insane.

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM

So then why are you here hanging out with us ‘loons’, everdouche?

bimmcorp on April 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Very true…As I stated before, unless they are totally disingenuous, up until that bold typed part, no one would argue with what he said, just HOW he said it.

Not to mention, I am also mildly skeptical that this should even be credited to him. Has there been any independent corroboration that Bundy said this in toto?

Not that I would doubt the fishwrap of record…I mean, the Wise Old Grey Lady…but…:shrug:

BlaxPac on April 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I’m with you on this one.
He may or may not be racist, but I don’t think what he seemed to be trying to say was outright racist – but clearly very poorly stated.

BTW – have you looked up the Old Mill Restaurant I mentioned last week?

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Just sayin’. JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Thanks for bringing these issues up. Perhaps it will inspire people to investigate them. You svck weaners. You can’t embarrass me.

Akzed on April 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Who is saying that? Not Ed…not me…not anyone here that I’ve seen. Pointing out what should be obvious racist comments by Bundy doesn’t mean his fight with the feds is somehow null and void.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Then why are you and Ed focusing so much on Bundy’s comments?
If it’s irrelevant then why can’t you stop talking about it?

Ed’s comments – in this post anyway – are very mild in condemnation of the feds. I agree with Ed that Bundy has lost sympathy but this seems like a good time to reiterate that this is irrelevant to the issues at hand and to reiterate more strongly what those issues are.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

You absolutely certain of that?

oscarwilde on April 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Heh, I’ve seen you post FUD before. I like reading your posts. I’ve had it on my mind that you made the case that there were no pictures of Russian tanks rolling in to Crimea.

I have a pretty broad definition of Communist. I bet Ed supports a flat tax, communists support the progressive income tax. Most broadly though, I’d say that Communism is the belief that the government should adjudicate perceived societal injustices, and I wouldn’t place him there. Perhaps he’s not where I’d like him to be on limited government.

I’d say he’s a squish, and a neo-statist. But not a communist, and I through that word around pretty freely.

blockchords on April 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

You homophobes really are stupid. Gun clips come pre-loaded, when they’re empty they have to be thrown away.

Read a history book about Samuel Brown Colt sometime, idiot, here’s a hint, he invented the Winchester.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Carry on my wayward son?

Kristamatic on April 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbnRnhrNFEY

Again, if you listen to these statements and don’t come away thinking “wow, what a repulsive, bigoted, racist, ignorant buffoon this Bundy guy is,” then yeah, you might be a racist.

(inb4 hundreds of you ask what was racist about his comments. moar popcorn on standby.)

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

“They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Bundy just called out the inherent racism of the Democrat plantation. Nothing “yeesh” about that.

flyovermark on April 24, 2014 at 12:57 PM

*throw that word

blockchords on April 24, 2014 at 12:57 PM

“I love this quote. It’s from Mahatma Gandhi. He ran a gas station down in St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Gandhi, do you still go to the gas station? A lot of wisdom comes out of that gas station” – Hillary Clinton, Former Secretary of State

davidk on April 24, 2014 at 12:57 PM

670 posts – and still not a “Top Pick” thread…..

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM

.
Ed’s justification, ‘The Open Thread is ALWAYS on top of the “Top Pick” threads.’

Reality – this thread is far too far to the right to align with the GOPe agenda promulgated by Hot Air editors.

See my comment re: fascists calling for government execution of the people who oppose government policy vs anyone who suggests government officials are ‘disposable’.

PolAgnostic on April 24, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Love this thread, thank Gaia it’s a rainy day and I have nothing better to do with the shop being deader than Elvis this week.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 12:58 PM

And there you see the moral compass of one Ed Morrissey, the ever loving servant of the Federal can never do wrong, must always be obeyed Government.

oscarwilde on April 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I didn’t attack the moral compass of Ed. And I’m not calling his conservative bona fides into question.

If you’ve read Ed for any length of time you know he’s not some RINO squish much less some loving servant of the government.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 12:58 PM

“In about 18 months from now, hopefully [state Sen. Vincent Sheheen] will have sent Nikki Haley back to wherever the hell she came from and this country can move forward.” – Former South Carolina Democratic Party Chairman Dick Harpootlian

At a state Democratic party event in May of 2013, Harpootlian attacked the ethnicity of South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, whose parents are Indian immigrants. After his comments ignited a fire storm, he claimed that he meant she should go back to Lexington County, S.C., where she used to live. He later claimed that he meant she should go back to being an accountant.

Harpootlian, who resigned just days after his remarks, had previously compared Haley to Adolf Hitler’s mistress. When asked whether he would apologize about the Nazi comments, he said, “Hell no. This is fake. Nikki Haley is feigning this.”

davidk on April 24, 2014 at 12:59 PM

You guys are completely insane.

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Don’t you have something to picket? That’s what you people do, innit?

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM

He is picketing, of sorts. Ok, he’s actually engaging in damage control. Bundy absolutely needs to be destroyed by any and all means available.

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’…

“…any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When your ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments…. Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target…’

“One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.” (pps.127-134)

Far to many people were becoming aware of what the Federal government was doing and that someone was successfully resisting their unconstitutional actions. The Federal governments rule via the monopoly on violence only works when the general populace is afraid of being the personal victim of said violence and thus unwilling to resist. For this reason and this reason alone, Cliven Bundy absolutely must be publicly destroyed beyond any remedy.

oscarwilde on April 24, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Don’t you have something to picket? That’s what you people do, innit?

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM

We call it freedom fighting!

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Again, if you listen to these statements and don’t come away thinking “wow, what a repulsive, bigoted, racist, ignorant buffoon this Bundy guy is,” then yeah, you might be a racist.

(inb4 hundreds of you ask what was racist about his comments. moar popcorn on standby.)

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

That’s rich coming from a homophobe like you.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 1:00 PM

OFA algorithm.

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Ol’ triple still thinks the Benghazi attacks were spurred by a YT vid; leave the girl be, she needs breathing space.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 1:00 PM

OFA algorithm.

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

So much up his ass he thinks anyone with a different opinion is an INSIDE JOB.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:00 PM

I’m shocked the right’s favorite cause célèbre is openly racist. Shocked. This never happens. Ever. triple on April 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM

This happens a lot:

“He’s the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.” -Joe Biden

“He’s a light-skinned” African-American with “no N3gro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.” -Harry Reid

“You don’t know my state. My state was a slave state…” Biden said to help people understand why he had a chance to win some southern states in the primary.

“White folks was in the caves while we [blacks] was building empires … We built pyramids before Donald Trump ever knew what architecture was … we taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” -Al Sharpton

“You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking.” –Biden

“Hvmietown,” -Jesse Jackson

“Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them.” -Mary Frances Berry, former Chairwoman, US Commission on Civil Rights

“(Joseph Lowery) said that when he was a young militant, he used to say all white folks were going to hell. …’Then he mellowed and just said most of them were. Now, he said, he is back to where he was.’” -The Daily Mail. Lowery was asked by 0b00ba to pray at his first inauguration.

“I give interracial couples a look. Daggers. They get uncomfortable when they see me on the street.” -Spike Lee

“I want to go up to the closest white person and say: ‘You can’t understand this, it’s a black thing’ and then slap him, just for my mental health.” —New York City Councilman, Charles Barron

“We got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops. They ought to go.” –Marion Barry

Akzed on April 24, 2014 at 1:00 PM

And we should bomb all them raaaaaaycists, right, Zippy??
bimmcorp on April 24, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Wouldn’t hurt. Gene pool needs a cleansing of neo-Nazis every now and then.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM

It has been verified that he made the comments. Check Ed’s Update.

TarheelBen on April 24, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Even a speed reader like me can’t do that AND keep up with the comments…thanx for the update though.

BlaxPac on April 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM

I can agree with his cause at the end of the day, but I’ll certainly and openly disagree with something he says that I feel is racist, and call him on it.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Which is more important?

Mimzey on April 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM

cue the “some democrats said racist things like six years ago, so that makes our racism okay” defense

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

“I saw them coons once chilling on their porch when i drove by – don’t they know that they were freer pickin cotton and getting tortured at their owner’s whim? Can’t we at least discuss this important and rational question?”

– signed Mr.I.M.Notarascist

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

“You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking!”

“I mean you’ve got the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking guy.” – Joe Biden

davidk on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Schadenfreude on April 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Oh, boy. You and Bish on the same thread? Those on the wrong side of this won’t stand a chance:-)

bluefox on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

pointing guns at the federal agents are not protected 2nd amendment rights.
jim56 on April 24, 2014 at 12:45 PM

So – have you found ANY evidence yet that they actually did this?

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2014 at 1:04 PM

And we should bomb all them raaaaaaycists, right, Zippy??
bimmcorp on April 24, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Wouldn’t hurt. Gene pool needs a cleansing of neo-Nazis every now and then.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 1:01 PM

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. … What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

oscarwilde on April 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

BTW – have you looked up the Old Mill Restaurant I mentioned last week?

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Do they have deep fried endangered critter on the menu? If so I’m in! LOL

BlaxPac on April 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

So much up his ass he thinks anyone with a different opinion is an INSIDE JOB.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Not at all. I simply stated a likely fact. Your screen name was generated and handed out. I say OFA because they’ve admitted to it, but HuffPo and others may do it as well.

- No capitalization
- Numbers mixed in sometimes
- Mostly nonsensical names, i.e. verbaluce, crr6, and others

Frankly, I don’t give two shits who you are. The possibility is great that you’re simply a useful idiot. Most likely, very young, government school indoctrinated, divorced (or never married) parents.

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

oscarwilde on April 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Apparently the blood of their women first, though.

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM

So now that the “fabrication” defense is out the window, all that seems to be left are the “it doesn’t matter because the issue is bigger than this” defense (which is barely treading water) and the “I agree with what he said” defense, which is very rapidly revealing the HotGas commentariat members who would feel rather more at home on Stormfront.

KingGold on April 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Ed has performed a public service in flushing out the nutlogs.

Keep digging, kids.

ConservativeLA on April 24, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Again, if you listen to these statements and don’t come away thinking “wow, what a repulsive, bigoted, racist, ignorant buffoon this Bundy guy is,” then yeah, you might be a racist.

(inb4 hundreds of you ask what was racist about his comments. moar popcorn on standby.)

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Please explain to us how blacks are incapable of getting picture ID to vote.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 1:07 PM

“I saw them coons once chilling on their porch when i drove by – don’t they know that they were freer pickin cotton and getting tortured at their owner’s whim? Can’t we at least discuss this important and rational question?”

– signed Mr.I.M.Notarascist

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Well, that was refreshingly insipid…

BlaxPac on April 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM

cue the “some democrats said racist things like six years ago, so that makes our racism okay” defense

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

I’ve got the list of liberal excuses for Barky’s racism around here somewhere…somewherrrrrreee…

Damn. Maybe it’s filed with the list noting Dog Eater’s drug-use excuses after eight years of leftists calling Dubya a coke-head.

Give me a minute here.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Oh, boy. You and Bish on the same thread? Those on the wrong side of this won’t stand a chance:-)

bluefox on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

That’s like 99% of the commenters here.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Not at all. I simply stated a likely fact. Your screen name was generated and handed out. I say OFA because they’ve admitted to it, but HuffPo and others may do it as well.

- No capitalization
- Numbers mixed in sometimes
- Mostly nonsensical names, i.e. verbaluce, crr6, and others

Frankly, I don’t give two shits who you are. The possibility is great that you’re simply a useful idiot. Most likely, very young, government school indoctrinated, divorced (or never married) parents.

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM

My account pre-dates your own, idiot.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM

The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his “light-skinned” appearance and speaking patterns “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”

davidk on April 24, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Hell this account pre-dates obama. This account was made before OFA or HuffPo existed.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Just sayin’. JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Thanks for bringing these issues up. Perhaps it will inspire people to investigate them. You svck weaners. You can’t embarrass me.

Akzed on April 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Don’t be so humble…you embarrass yourself just fine on your own, without any help.

Love this thread, thank Gaia it’s a rainy day and I have nothing better to do with the shop being deader than Elvis this week.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Akzed would probably tell you Elvis isn’t really dead, but is working with Jimmy Hoffa and Amelia Earhart with space aliens at an underground base in New Mexico.

Then why are you and Ed focusing so much on Bundy’s comments?
If it’s irrelevant then why can’t you stop talking about it?

Ed’s comments – in this post anyway – are very mild in condemnation of the feds. I agree with Ed that Bundy has lost sympathy but this seems like a good time to reiterate that this is irrelevant to the issues at hand and to reiterate more strongly what those issues are.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

So one post about it is “talking so much about it”? This isn’t about condemning the feds…it’s about Bundy making racist comments, and simply pointing that out. Should we just ignore that completely? I mean, that’s what the liberal Left does on these things…”nothing to see here, move along”.

It’s bad enough when they do that kind of thing. It’s worse when those on the Right do it…we’re supposed to be better than that.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Please explain to us how blacks are incapable of getting picture ID to vote.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 1:07 PM

I don’t have a problem with voter ID laws.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

The whole thing is kinda of silly and disingenuous imo.

Serious question.
Who is claiming that they are not racist or bigoted at some level to some degree?
Who are these people? The political “Chatty Kathy” dolls with preloaded comments..the leftist celebrity hypocrites living in cloistered fantasy worlds..the OWSers..the Joe and Jane Does of the world?? Who? I personally don’t know anyone that, if looked at closely enough, I couldn’t find some “bias”.
Who’s casting these stones?

Mimzey on April 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Translation: I’m getting blowback in the comments from real conservatives about the “only correct opinion” to hold for a conservative media outlet.

SirGawain on April 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM

LOL

Because ‘real conservatives’ defend racist statements made by uneducated buffoons.

Good Lt on April 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

oscarwilde on April 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Apparently the blood of their women first, though.

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM

NO.FOOD.FOR.YOU.

oscarwilde on April 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM

cue the “some democrats said racist things like six years ago, so that makes our racism okay” defense

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

cue the “ignore the beam in my own party’s eye while I scream histrionically about something my masters told me I needed to scream about” defense.

HumpBot Salvation on April 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM

I don’t have a problem with voter ID laws.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Do you have a problem with those that claim getting a photo ID is just too difficult for a certain demographic?

Mimzey on April 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Do they have deep fried endangered critter on the menu? If so I’m in! LOL

BlaxPac on April 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

They have deep fried critters of various kinds.
Are Cajun Chickens and Buffalo Chickens endangered?
Lots of seafood….

And you can feed the ducks before or after dinner.
Not sure if you can pick out a duck for them to cook up for you…/

Nice place though – good for a day trip out of the city if you have the chance.
http://www.1761oldmill.com/index.html

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2014 at 1:12 PM

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

oscarwilde on April 24, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Apparently the blood of their women first, though.

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Do you have a picture where the Bundy supporters lined up the women and children in front of the men?

davidk on April 24, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Which is more important?

Mimzey on April 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Obviously the THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS are so much more important than the ACTIONS of the federal government. The man should be shot just for thinking the neg$0//

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 1:13 PM

People should not walk but run away from this guy. His words will be used to rip conservatives for months if you don’t run away from him.

EVSCBT on April 24, 2014 at 1:14 PM

So then why are you here hanging out with us ‘loons’, everdouche?

bimmcorp on April 24, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Winning hearts and minds, my friend!

Hearts and minds!

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Did you ever name one of these ‘antiracist conservatives’ that you support so that we can all get with the program?? Or are you still playing coy??

I may have missed it.

blockchords on April 24, 2014 at 1:15 PM

cue the “some democrats said racist things like six years ago, so that makes our racism okay” defense

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Cue the “no one said a peep about it 6 years ago and continue to not be “outraged” today as long as the “right “people are spewing the comments.” wilful ignorance defense.

Mimzey on April 24, 2014 at 1:15 PM

My account pre-dates your own, idiot.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Hell this account pre-dates obama. This account was made before OFA or HuffPo existed.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:09 PM

I know when you got here.

I used OFA as an example because they were stupid enough to admit to it. You think your buddy black Chicago Jesus was smart enough to come up with that idea on his own? That scam predates USENET.

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 1:15 PM

“I saw them coons once chilling on their porch when i drove by – signed Mr. everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Ed?

Akzed on April 24, 2014 at 1:15 PM

If you read Mr. Bundy’s comments and don’t think “wow, what a repellent racist piece of shit this guy is,” then yeah, you are most likely a racist.

Someone drop a MOAB on his house.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Why? Did we discover another race besides humans? Or are you one of those Leftist types that believe someone with more melanin is an entirely different “race”?

Nutstuyu on April 24, 2014 at 1:15 PM

cue the “some democrats said racist things like six years ago, so that makes our racism okay” defense

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:03 PM

I know that Democrats are stricken with convenient, selective ADD, but here’s the deal- nobody is condoning racism. It doesn’t matter. No blacks were involved in this issue at all unless you count the black cattle in mass graves. The issue is government overreach, and even racists and liberal POS deserve Constitutional rights.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 1:15 PM

So, the BLM was right….? Whew…there for a moment I thought the government has over reacted.

d1carter on April 24, 2014 at 1:16 PM

I think I may have found it, the list. It was filed under “Liberal Excuses for Barky Blowing Innocent Foreigners To Bits With Drone Strikes”.

Wait…

Well crap.

This isn’t it, it’s actually a rundown of why Barky keeping Gitmo open is smart policy after hammering Bush every single day of his tenure for allowing the exact same thing.

I’ll keep looking, just relax.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Palin/This clown 2016

Dream ticket!

Louey on April 24, 2014 at 1:18 PM

I know when you got here.

I used OFA as an example because they were stupid enough to admit to it. You think your buddy black Chicago Jesus was smart enough to come up with that idea on his own? That scam predates USENET.

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 1:15 PM

I think the funny thing is you still think a computer program is arguing with you on the internet, and you’re arguing back.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Ed?

Akzed on April 24, 2014 at 1:15 PM

He’s busy reading the NYT. Back off.

Nutstuyu on April 24, 2014 at 1:18 PM

So, the BLM was right….? Whew…there for a moment I thought the government has over reacted.

d1carter on April 24, 2014 at 1:16 PM

No, but apparently they can be forgiven if Triple, everidiot etc. think you are a racist.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Conservatives didn’t buy the “I’m just asking questions” when 9/11 Truthers used that excuse; they shouldn’t accept it from Bundy either.

Okay, he’s an admitted racist does that make him a good target for government overreach?

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 1:19 PM

They have deep fried critters of various kinds.
Are Cajun Chickens and Buffalo Chickens endangered?
Lots of seafood….

Not yet, probably in Cambridge they are, but I’m probably stereotyping :o)

And you can feed the ducks before or after dinner.
Not sure if you can pick out a duck for them to cook up for you…/

Mmmm, duck. No let me feed them first…some nice Arnold’s Bread Crumbs with a splash of seasoning and Napoleon brandy…sigh LOL

Nice place though – good for a day trip out of the city if you have the chance.
http://www.1761oldmill.com/index.html

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Seriously, I will keep it on my Great 8 list for this summer, when I want to impress a date with my skills at navigating a knife and fork…lol.

Plus I have friends up in the Worcester area so it’s not that far a drive out of the way for me.

BlaxPac on April 24, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Because ‘real conservatives’ defend racist statements made by uneducated buffoons.

Good Lt on April 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Thats kind of a bigoted and uninformed statement based in a negative stereotype. That’s indisputable and settled. Debate is over. To try and defend your position would just be empowering other bigots and their racist dog whistles and code words.

Mimzey on April 24, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Do you have a picture where the Bundy supporters lined up the women and children in front of the men?

davidk on April 24, 2014 at 1:13 PM

There’s this new fangled thing on the interwebs called “google”.

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Conservatives didn’t buy the “I’m just asking questions” when 9/11 Truthers used that excuse; they shouldn’t accept it from Bundy either.

Okay, he’s an admitted racist does that make him a good target for government overreach?

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Well, obviously, otherwise Ed would have never phrased it that way.

oscarwilde on April 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Conservatives didn’t buy the “I’m just asking questions” when 9/11 Truthers used that excuse; they shouldn’t accept it from Bundy either.

That’s because the Truthers weren’t asking an honest question or they were politically (or mentally) deranged.

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM

The left is comprised of reprobates with lower intellectual capacity than freaking narutoboy.

You freaks are ridiculous.

Murphy9 on April 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM

670 posts – and still not a “Top Pick” thread…..

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM

.
And moving this over there would DEMOTE YESTERDAY’S critical news that Jeb Bush MIGHT run for president.

PolAgnostic on April 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM

So one post about it is “talking so much about it”? This isn’t about condemning the feds…it’s about Bundy making racist comments, and simply pointing that out. Should we just ignore that completely? I mean, that’s what the liberal Left does on these things…”nothing to see here, move along”.

It’s bad enough when they do that kind of thing. It’s worse when those on the Right do it…we’re supposed to be better than that.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 1:09 PM

I’m not saying Ed shouldn’t have written about it – I’m saying he should have ALSO emphasized this really doesn’t change anything about the core issues at play here.

And you and others are focusing on it. Just like you did again in your response. You say it’s irrelevant but that we shouldn’t ignore it completely? Well, you’ve mentioned it. Multiple times. You say it doesn’t really matter. So what’s the point in mentioning it more? You’ve spent MORE time in this thread discussing how he’s racist than you have discussing the lawlessness or overeach of the government so excuse me if your own actions in this thread indicate that you are making a bigger deal of Bundy being a racist than the government’s actions.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM

So the Times didn’t misquote Bundy. Mediaite also has video of Bundy making this statement originally. Conservatives didn’t buy the “I’m just asking questions” when 9/11 Truthers used that excuse; they shouldn’t accept it from Bundy either.

Oh for…MANY OF US AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT, FOR FLUKE’S SAKE!!

And do you know why I agree? Because he wasn’t calling for enslaving blacks, but asking if the welfare state has really improved the lot of many blacks! Has it? Can we honestly say many blacks aren’t currently enslaved to the state? Can we not honestly ask which type of slavery is worse? Can we not condemn it all?

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM

So, the BLM was right….? Whew…there for a moment I thought the government has over reacted.

d1carter on April 24, 2014 at 1:16 PM

“The government never overreacts”, said the leftist.

-So did the federal government overreact when it invaded Iraq?

“Uh…well it…uh…go f**k yourself, rethuglikkkan!”

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM

That’s because the Truthers weren’t asking an honest question or they were politically (or mentally) deranged.

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM

I think I’m starting to see a little bit of a yellow streak on Ed’s bald head.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 1:23 PM

So Mr. Bundy is not a well spoken pundit. The principal he espoused is dead on. The Great Society IS slavery minus the iron in the chains. What was it LBJ said about keeping blacks as a voting block for 200 years?

Guitanguran on April 24, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Winning hearts and minds, my friend!

Hearts and minds!

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Going 0-for-always isn’t winning.

Nutstuyu on April 24, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Do you have a problem with those that claim getting a photo ID is just too difficult for a certain demographic?

Mimzey on April 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Yes. If you can’t take responsibility to jump through the bureaucratic hoops of registering to vote that everyone else has to, then it’s your fault if you can’t register.

I do think some in the GOP are obviously trying to suppress the minority vote, but the joke’s on the Democrats who apparently (wrongly) assume their base is too lazy to get the proper documents in order.

What I and many other conservatives criticize is the GOP’s move to end early voting and same-day registration. It’s an obvious suppression of the black vote and the youth vote, respectively. We need votes from both demographics if we want to win the White House and SCOTUS again.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 1:23 PM

I don’t have a problem with voter ID laws.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Then you are a vile racist in the eyes of many of your fellow travelers on the left. Not much if any better than Bundy.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 1:23 PM

I think the funny thing is you still think a computer program is arguing with you on the internet, and you’re arguing back.

triple on April 24, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Jesus Christ, you really ain’t that stupid, are you?

I(and everyone else here understands this except you, apparently) said your name was created by a program. Of course you’re a real useful id…person. Probably a cog in a democrat campaign wheel somewhere. Didn’t even necessarily have to be obama. Could be that pig in Virginia, Moran or somebody.

Lanceman on April 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM

I’m starting to get pissed now because I don’t see the blatant racism that everyone is automatically assuming. Racism would be declaring blacks are good for nothing but picking cotton. Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

^This.

The Rogue Tomato on April 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM

There’s this new fangled thing on the interwebs called “google”.

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Translation: you’re lying your dumb Alpha double-Sigma off and you’re using the Google excuse.

It wouldn’t have done Bundy a lick of good anyhow. As Ruby Ridge proved the federal goons WILL shoot women and children if given the orders to fire.

LawfulGood on April 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM

“I drove a trailer park once, and wondered to myself if all thosenpoor white people would be better off as slaves”

Does this statement make any sense whatsoever? Does slavery have anything to donwith anything there?

Why does it make any sense if you replace white with black?

everdiso on April 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM

People should not walk but run away from this guy. His words will be used to rip conservatives for months if you don’t run away from him.

EVSCBT on April 24, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Sure, let’s start the precedent that if the government can dig up something unsavory on you; then they will be allowed to pi$$ all over your rights. I mean it isn’t like the government is using the IRS and the NSA as weapons or anything. A bunch of you are nothing but mindless sheep..

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM

I’m saying he should have ALSO emphasized this really doesn’t change anything about the core issues at play here.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Except that as far is Ed is concerned, it does. That Cliven Bundy might perhaps be a racists means that the Federal Government, whom Ed has repeatedly asserted was legally in the right, clearly not only has the right, but the moral obligation to seize Bundy’s property, and kill him for resisting as well.

oscarwilde on April 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Thats kind of a bigoted and uninformed statement based in a negative stereotype. That’s indisputable and settled. Debate is over. To try and defend your position would just be empowering other bigots and their racist dog whistles and code words.

Mimzey on April 24, 2014 at 1:20 PM

I’m sorry if twisting yourself into a pretzel to defend this idiot’s self-destructive statements is annoying you.

I assure you that it’s doubly annoying watching people defend racist statements because they chose to throw in with this loon before knowing anything about him.

Good Lt on April 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM

And moving this over there would DEMOTE YESTERDAY’S critical news that Jeb Bush MIGHT run for president.

PolAgnostic on April 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Oh, well, that makes sense.
Wouldn’t want to demote a Jeb Bush thread…..

dentarthurdent on April 24, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Dog Eater told us all about these typical white people, and you know what, he was right.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 1:26 PM

So now that the “fabrication” defense is out the window, all that seems to be left are the “it doesn’t matter because the issue is bigger than this” defense (which is barely treading water) and the “I agree with what he said” defense, which is very rapidly revealing the HotGas commentariat members who would feel rather more at home on Stormfront.

KingGold on April 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Probably because I would find a more intelligent individual to converse with at the racist Stormfron than yourself. Calling what Bundy said racist is weak and cowardly.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 1:26 PM

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