Bundy’s comments on race provide breaking point for Paul, Heller; Update: Bundy affirms on radio show

posted at 9:34 am on April 24, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

And probably most other Cliven Bundy supporters as well, assuming that the New York Times report of his Saturday press conference is accurate. National Journal’s Brian Resnick described these comments as something “overheard” by the Times, but the Times report itself puts them in the context of an open meeting that took place after only two media outlets arrived for Bundy’s daily presser:

Cliven Bundy stood by the Virgin River up the road from the armed checkpoint at the driveway of his ranch, signing autographs and posing for pictures. For 55 minutes, Mr. Bundy held forth to a clutch of supporters about his views on the troubled state of America — the overreaching federal government, the harassment of Western ranchers, the societal upheaval caused by abortion, even musing about whether slavery was so bad.

“Overheard” isn’t quite accurate, in other words. This was a public event, and Bundy put his foot squarely in his mouth during it:

He said he would continue holding a daily news conference; on Saturday, it drew one reporter and one photographer, so Mr. Bundy used the time to officiate at what was in effect a town meeting with supporters, discussing, in a long, loping discourse, the prevalence of abortion, the abuses of welfare and his views on race.

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Yeesh. That’s about as ugly as it gets. It certainly got the attention of Senator Rand Paul, who had been one of Bundy’s supporters during the rancher’s standoff with the BLM. Paul’s office issued a statement distancing the Senator from Bundy, as Resnick reported:

“His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him,” Sen. Rand Paul said in a statement Thursday morning.

Closer to home, Bundy also lost Sen. Dean Heller, who had been arguing his case last week in a debate with Harry Reid:

Sen. Dan Heller, who the Times writes has called Bundy’s supporters “patriots,” offered this response to the paper via a spokesperson. He “completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way.”

This has always been a tricky case, one where sympathies and the law go in opposite directions, as John Hinderaker noted at Power Line last week. Legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg on which to stand, and his weird insistence that the federal government has no jurisdiction on federal land has no basis in law or reality. Having the BLM show up with a small army to collect a debt made it easy to sympathize with Bundy and to call their actions into question, but they’ve been pursuing this case through the courts for more than two decades, too, while Bundy grazes on federal land. The federal government may own too much land, but that’s an issue for the states to fight in court, not ranchers with guns.

Bundy doesn’t have a legal case. And it looks like sympathy just ran out for him, too.

Update: Jeff Dunetz advises conservatives who have sympathized with Bundy to walk away:

Cliven Bundy has broken the law to get what he wants.  He should fight within the system to change the law.  If he was going for an act of civil disobedience to make a statement, he should be prepared to accept the consequences. One of the consequences is confiscation of property including Elsie and all the other cows. But Mr. Bundy is trying to have it both ways break the law but face no consequences.  Beyond that I am not aware of any attempt of his to try and change the law, just his refusal to follow it.

In the end Cliven Bundy’s actions are indefensible from a conservative point of view while the federal government should not be owning the land—they do. In the end the govt. was protecting its property rights however unjustified they are.

Now that Mr. Bundy is shown to have at best racially insensitive beliefs, it time to end his 15 minutes of fame and its time for my conservative friends and colleagues who have shown him support to run away as fast as humanly possible.

Update: Bundy repeated the sentiment on Peter Schiff’s radio show today, stressing the use of “I’m wondering…”:

So the Times didn’t misquote Bundy. Mediaite also has video of Bundy making this statement originally. Conservatives didn’t buy the “I’m just asking questions” when 9/11 Truthers used that excuse; they shouldn’t accept it from Bundy either.


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WTF did he say that was racist?

BL@KBIRD on April 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Nothing.

Oldnuke on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Wait aren’t you the guy who wrote he didn’t find anything racist about bundy wondering if the ne gro was not better off picking cotton? Lol. Um ok master. I will get get right on admiring my cotton picking legs and shut my stupid ni gro mouth. Any more request master before I go back to picking cotton? Lol

coolrepublica on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

It was an inartful way of stating that the breakup of the black family, the high rate of abortion, and the high rate of jail of the black male, and the reliance on government has not really progressed blacks lot in life. That a lot of them have traded one set of chains and master for another set.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

He is ancient and grew up in a time when that word wasn’t derogatory (if it is now).

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

That word is still the one used in Spanish-speaking countries. Since it means “black” – which is the ‘correct’ term here nowadays. What have they got against Hispanics? (yes, that’s tongue-in-cheek)

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 9:58 AM

You guys are trying way too hard.
The guy lives in Nevada…less than 8% of the population is black.
Yet when he mouths off about welfare, he pontificates about ‘Nego3s’ ‘pickin’ cotton’.
And your excuse for him is that he’s from another time or something?
For all the defenive ‘raaaacccciiiist’ snark coments that seem to be thrown up at any issue involving race, you can’t really make too much of poster boy from your straight talker here.
But I guess you’re gonna try.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

fight like a girl on April 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Wrong. You’re conflating issues that shouldn’t be conflated. Bundy’s clearly breaking the law; the only point of contention is the appropriateness of the BLM’s response. Bundy’s legal argument is complete baloney, and he had his day in court and lost. All he had left was public sympathy, which he decided to throw away by being a racist.

No conservative should have a reason to defend him any more. Plenty of racists will, of course, but thankfully we’ll find none of those here.

KingGold on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Bundy should have pointed out that he wasn’t talking about all blacks, only those who aren’t clean and articulate and who don’t utilize an authentic negr0 dialect.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Yeah, I’m not seeing the racism here. He could have worded it better, but I see what he’s saying, and I’ve heard many people express the same sort of opinion without getting called racist.

mbs on April 24, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Yeah, that’s the problem. His statement makes it look like he thinks blacks were better off under slavery than on welfare. I don’t think that’s how he meant it to sound but you only get one bite at the apple in today’s soundbite universe.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

What Bundy says doesn’t matter. What the government is doing to one of its citizens matters.

njrob on April 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Bundy’s legal argument is complete baloney, and he had his day in court and lost. All he had left was public sympathy, which he decided to throw away by being a racist.

No conservative should have a reason to defend him any more. Plenty of racists will, of course, but thankfully we’ll find none of those here.

KingGold on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

So did Dred Scott.. Didn’t make that decision any more Constitutionally sound.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

The NYT is known to lie and twist words. Some of you sanctimonious kool aid drinkers better wait to hear the truth before you jump to conclusions. Anyway, Bundy has constitutional rights even if he is a racist.

fight like a girl on April 24, 2014 at 10:06 AM

Right on sister!

And it was quite telling that Rand Paul was the first one to jump ship.

idesign on April 24, 2014 at 10:09 AM

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Worked for Robert Byrd.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Wait aren’t you the guy who wrote he didn’t find anything racist about bundy wondering if the ne gro was not better off picking cotton?

coolrepublica on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Thanks for making my point.

Are blacks better off under their new masters? And did Bundy say blacks should go back to being slaves picking cotton, or that they are good for nothing but picking cotton?

Bundy legitimately wonders how blacks are better off as slaves to the state, and so do I. Not only should we not bring back slave owning plantations owners, but we should end the government plantation as well.

Wait aren’t you the guy who wrote he didn’t find anything racist about bundy wondering if the ne gro was not better off picking cotton? Lol. Um ok master. I will get get right on admiring my cotton picking legs and shut my stupid ni gro mouth. Any more request master before I go back to picking cotton? Lol

If picking cotton makes you happy and free then pick cotton. If it doesn’t find something else to do. Something more productive then admiring your own legs and being incapable of critical analysis of what Bundy said.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM

When a liberal sticks a mic in your faces and asks whether you side with Clive, tell them, first, to go stick a mic in the face of a Democrat and ask if they side with Margaret Sanger about the use of abortion in eugenics. Oh, and which person’s opinion has had a greater impact on American life.

BuckeyeSam on April 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM

The last time a liberal stuck a mic in my face I told her how much I enjoyed watching one of her chief rivals at her local network. Then I asked her name. Camera and mic went away so fast I thought she had warp engines.

Oldnuke on April 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Rule of law! Rule of law! But we need comprehensive immigration reform, right? snicker

rhombus on April 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Wrong. You’re conflating issues that shouldn’t be conflated. Bundy’s clearly breaking the law; the only point of contention is the appropriateness of the BLM’s response. Bundy’s legal argument is complete baloney, and he had his day in court and lost. All he had left was public sympathy, which he decided to throw away by being a racist.

No conservative should have a reason to defend him any more. Plenty of racists will, of course, but thankfully we’ll find none of those here.

KingGold on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Get bent, McCain. You know nothing of conservatism.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM

For all the defenive ‘raaaacccciiiist’ snark coments that seem to be thrown up at any issue involving race, you can’t really make too much of poster boy from your straight talker here.
But I guess you’re gonna try.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

The question is would we vote for him if he were on the ballot considering his racial comments.

Say….who did you vote for in 2008 and 2012 at the presidential level?

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM

You guys are trying way too hard.
The guy lives in Nevada…less than 8% of the population is black.
Yet when he mouths off about welfare, he pontificates about ‘Nego3s’ ‘pickin’ cotton’.
And your excuse for him is that he’s from another time or something?
For all the defenive ‘raaaacccciiiist’ snark coments that seem to be thrown up at any issue involving race, you can’t really make too much of poster boy from your straight talker here.
But I guess you’re gonna try.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

What did Bundy say that was racist?

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM

New life gets breathed into MSNBC.

BuckeyeSam on April 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM

How awful this Bundy said these racist things. Now its time for the Feds to sweep down, laser the family and put them in reeducation camps. This will teach the public that such actions won’t be tolerated by the transparent and open government.

garydt on April 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Wrong. You’re conflating issues that shouldn’t be conflated. Bundy’s clearly breaking the law; the only point of contention is the appropriateness of the BLM’s response. Bundy’s legal argument is complete baloney, and he had his day in court and lost. All he had left was public sympathy, which he decided to throw away by being a racist.

….who now must be destroyed by framing him as a “racist,” the “witchcraft” accusation of the day.

vlad martel on April 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM

So the newest folk hero the conservative right has been propping up as a “true American” is a white supremacist? Must be Thursday.

libfreeordie on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

How are you doing? We know you will defend to the death Eric Holder, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

But everyone here knows you’re a racist. So have a nice day.

njrob on April 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Al Sharpton has said and done much more egregious things. And is more lawless than Bundy. But the SWAT team hasn’t been sent for Sharpton.

Bundy’s comments don’t change the fact that the federal government is abusing it’s power. His comments make him much less sympathetic but it’s still bad when the federal government abuses it’s power regardless how sympathetic it’s targets are.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Now that Mr. Bundy is shown to have at best racially insensitive beliefs

On the contrary, his comments show an understanding of what government dependence does to people, and what it has done to the black family. He may not have honed his comments well enough to pass political correctness but they’re true nonetheless. The moral cowards who now attack him for “racial insensitivity” are sickening.

darwin on April 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM

So the newest folk hero the conservative right has been propping up as a “true American” is a white supremacist? Must be Thursday.

libfreeordie on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

How are you doing? We know you will defend to the death Eric Holder, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

But everyone here knows you’re a racist. So have a nice day.

njrob on April 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM

+1

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 10:13 AM

The question is would we vote for him if he were on the ballot considering his racial comments.

Say….who did you vote for in 2008 and 2012 at the presidential level?

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM

I am sure that Verbie voted for the most racially “devisive” president of our time.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 10:13 AM

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

You really don’t know any older people like this? I do and I am prepared to cringe every time they open their mouths. And it doesn’t have to be about race, it’s everything. And they don’t care how loud they are or who hears them.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 10:13 AM

So did Dred Scott.. Didn’t make that decision any more Constitutionally sound.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

+1

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

The truth is never pretty.

el hombre on April 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Wrong. You’re conflating issues that shouldn’t be conflated. Bundy’s clearly breaking the law; the only point of contention is the appropriateness of the BLM’s response. Bundy’s legal argument is complete baloney, and he had his day in court and lost. All he had left was public sympathy, which he decided to throw away by being a racist.

No conservative should have a reason to defend him any more. Plenty of racists will, of course, but thankfully we’ll find none of those here.

KingGold on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Bullshit. He was paying them till they tried to destroy his business and cull his herd down to unsustainable levels. The BLM required him to kill or sell off 90% of his herd to continue paying fees and to stay on the land. That’s what caused every other rancher in the area to go out of business. You’re a leftist tool.

njrob on April 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

So the newest folk hero the conservative right has been propping up as a “true American” is a white supremacist? Must be Thursday.

libfreeordie on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

You’re an idiot, and probably a rabid black supremacist hiding behind speech oppressing “hate” laws and political correctness.

darwin on April 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

So the newest folk hero the conservative right has been propping up as a “true American” is a white supremacist? Must be Thursday.

libfreeordie on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

So the same old racist perfesser and once again incapable of understanding what Bundy actually said? Must be spark one up in Colorado time. Does a stoned brain still say the following?

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

darwin on April 24, 2014 at 10:12 AM

As we know, it isn’t what you say but how it will be spun……binders full of women.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

So the newest folk hero the conservative right has been propping up as a “true American” is a white supremacist? Must be Thursday.

libfreeordie on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Now Bundy is a supremacist?

That didn’t take long…

Electrongod on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

It’s not like the guy is the Vice President or anything.

HumpBot Salvation on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

I understand what you’re saying.

This topic is a minefield, laden with highly explosive emotions.

People will wrongly assume that you are thinking that the USA should return to pre-Civil-War slavery.

Any form of slavery (physical, mental, economic, etc.) is bad.

The unfortunate truth is that many descendants of those who were freed from one type of slavery have now chosen to shackle themselves with a different type of slavery.

I highly recommend this book:

It’s OK to Leave the Plantation : The New Underground Railroad

And this movie:

Runaway Slave

I am a modern-day abolitionist; I want to free slaves from economic and mental slavery.

ITguy on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Get bent, McCain. You know nothing of conservatism.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM

So we should be defending this loser – a man who refers to black Americans in 2014 as “the Negro” – because…conservatism?

Fail.

Good Lt on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Bundy legitimately wonders how blacks are better off as slaves to the state, and so do I. Not only should we not bring back slave owning plantations owners, but we should end the government plantation as well.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM

You’d make a great Press Secretary…that’s some epic spin right there.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Wondering if things have improved for blacks by becoming slaves to the state is a legitimate question.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:55 AM

I understood what he was saying as soon as I read the quote. There was nothing racist about it.

There are many forms of slavery and we can ask the farmers in California that have been denied water for example.

We are all becoming slaves due to all of the Gov agencies that are out of control.

bluefox on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Bundy should have pointed out that he wasn’t talking about all blacks, only those who aren’t clean and articulate and who don’t utilize an authentic negr0 dialect.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Or he should have said really nasty things about Michelle Malkin or Clarence Thomas or Condoleeza Rice. Then he’d be praised by the left.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Sorry, I disagree. The government had all the options and they decided on force. It’s fine, it’s over and it’s true, Mr. Bundy has no one to blame but himself and the time he was born and raised in. You see, if he had been a Democrat, he could have been a senator.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM

That’s just not true. If they had truly ‘decided on force’ we’d be dealing with a much more tragic situation here for all.
And the coverage on this from many has been derelict. Can you imagine a news network offering an armed bank robber a sympathetic mic and coverage because he’d crime was in protest of some IRS or Federal Reserve rule he considered to be unconstitutional?
This whole thing started silly,…and then got dangerous.
And there is no standoff here…the fed backed down. So it seems they did something from Waco.
Indeed Bundy has only himself to blame – along with the folks that convinced him he was above the law. As for the ‘time he was raised in’ – the majority of folks raised then have little to nothing in common with the guy.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

We know we live in a PC tyranny (fascism) if ad hominem charges (racism) shut down debate on the issues’ merits; e.g., BLM’s militarized over-reaction at Bundy Ranch, setting up “Free Speech Zones” and the Constitutional debate over state vs. federal land ownership.

petefrt on April 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

The fainting couch is over there, Ed.

Assuming that any of this is accurate (and one would really like to have heard it on tape, and in context), Cliven Bundy has some beliefs that offend you. He also doesn’t have experience with public speaking, a stable of highly-paid wordsmiths and a teleprompter, expensive pollsters, and he doesn’t have the luxury of “revise and extend”.

Frankly, on the strength of this report, I wouldn’t say that I know what’s in the man’s heart. And why does it matter, anyway?

Whatever he said, and whatever he meant, in no way changes the issue of an overstepping federal government that is rapidly and ravenously gobbling up our land, resources, and freedoms. His action had focussed attention (at least initially) on that threat. But that focus has now been successfully diffused. Mission accomplished.

As usual, it seems that we have to play by the left’s rules.

bofh on April 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

So the newest folk hero the conservative right has been propping up as a “true American” is a white supremacist? Must be Thursday.

libfreeordie on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

If Bundy apologizes and seems contrite he can run for office in West Virginia as a demorat and all will be forgiven.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

I am a modern-day abolitionist; I want to free slaves from economic and mental slavery.

ITguy on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Add me to your mailing list.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

While I do not agree that blacks are worse off now than under slavery. They certainly are worse off now than they were before the welfare state and civil rights. Government subsidies of their lives have corrupted them.

astonerii on April 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

I think his point was that all these black people were sitting around public housing doing nothing, not being productive. Slavery IS better in the sense that slaves actually work, and add to society, rather than simply mooch off of it. That’s not more free than being moochers, but it’s certainly more productive.

But it’s not a racist statement. He wasn’t saying that black people are inferior. The only remotely racist thing about what he said was implying that their culture is inferior. Which it is. It’s subhuman. They’re acting like poodles, or some other vicious little lapdog. Bundy thinks they’d be better off acting like horses or cows or mules than that.

I suspect he’d rather they act like human beings.

And yes, black culture is inferior and subhuman. I said that. Is that racist? As I like to say, “Black is beautiful, but Ghetto is ugly. Doesn’t matter what color it is.”

RockinRickOwen on April 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Funny, I see a media now running after every member of the GOP they can find to ask about this guy.

But six years ago, they couldn’t put the screws to a presidential candidate who claimed he spent almost every Sunday for 20 years in the pews of a church that turned out to be led by a racist, anti-American crackpot–and all so that he could get some street-cred in an adopted city.

The members of the media make up a fifth column, not a fourth estate.

BuckeyeSam on April 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

If people are looking for a stainless and pure “role model” with which to rally behind on a legal cause, you ain’t gonna find one, and ain’t gonna be doin’ much rallyin’.

Bundy always was a few cows shy of a herd, racist or not. But these types of individual/govt. disputes always start with the people loose in the head, as they are the only ones crazy enough to put their necks out.

So, going forward, we need to get clear what the rules are:

As a rule, the next time a “minority” criminal suspect calls a white police officer a cracker, incident to his arrest, said suspect should expect criminal defense attorneys and legal aid to not return his calls? Ok, got it.

And I guess that the Wise Latina Sotomoyor should also expect to be publicly ostracized for arguing from the SCOTUS bench that we need legal, institutional racial discrimination against whites to stop racial discrimination? Ok, got that too.

Saltyron on April 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

This statement is nowhere in the Twittersphere from reputable news outlets. Hmmmm. But in other news, A major Dem donor (photographed with obama) gets 25 hours of community service for trying to kill his girlfriend

ConservativePartyNow on April 24, 2014 at 10:18 AM

It’s flat-out ignorant and I get the analogy.

I don’t know why anyone is shocked. I know this region. It’s always been separatist lands. This is where old-school Mormons live who view Salt Lake Mormons as not being conservative enough.

This the same well from where Harry Reid’s “Obama’s my pet” sprang from. It’s the culture of the region.

Bundy’s not sympathizing with black people in either situation. He’s pitying them. And that makes it racist. Not bigoted. Racist.

It’s a disconnected lifestyle. And it’s their choice. Draw the battle-line with the Texas landgrab, not this one.

budfox on April 24, 2014 at 10:18 AM

xNavigator on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Well said.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Not sure how aware he will be at that moment….

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Yeesh. That’s about as ugly as it gets.

Apparently Ed has never been to the bad side of town. What’s unfortunate is that the Bundy’s of the world cannot state an obvious truth without the PC Police getting all up in arms. Yes, he maybe could have found a “less vinegar more honey” way of saying it, but that doesn’t make it less true.

Nutstuyu on April 24, 2014 at 10:18 AM

You’d make a great Press Secretary…that’s some epic spin right there.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

I think he need to address your cowardly PC thinking. What did Bundy say that was racist?

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM

I didn’t know our Constitution exists only for “good” people.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Exactly.

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM

That’s just not true. If they had truly ‘decided on force’ we’d be dealing with a much more tragic situation here for all.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Yes… domestic terrorism.

Walter L. Newton on April 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM

We are all becoming slaves due to all of the Gov agencies that are out of control.

bluefox on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

I’m no proponent of “big government” and federal overreach…but unless I missed it, I haven’t seen actual whips and chains being used. But according to Bundy, slaves had a good “family life” and they “did things”.

It’s reprehensible to make excuses for that arseclown’s racism.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM

You’d make a great Press Secretary…that’s some epic spin right there.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

I think he you need to address your cowardly PC thinking. What did Bundy say that was racist?

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Gee, I thought we were supposed to have “a conversation about race.” I wonder why people never believed that or were suspicious about it.

vlad martel on April 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Bundy is a nutball, but even nutballs have rights.

I’ve said for years that there are certain topics that GOP candidates and elected officials should never discuss in public. Race is one of them, along with rape, female biology and sex.

When you walk thru a minefield you gotta be careful where you step. If you are defending what you said you’re losing.

myiq2xu on April 24, 2014 at 10:20 AM

who cares whats hes like personally?

dmacleo on April 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

It’s a disconnected lifestyle. And it’s their choice. Draw the battle-line with the Texas landgrab, not this one.

budfox on April 24, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Why can’t we do both.. I’ll ask again, when did the Constitution only apply to “good” people?

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

I am sure that Verbie voted for the most racially “devisive” president of our time.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Don’t forget Robert (Sheets) Byrd (D) West Virginia. Grand Poo-Bah of the KKK and staunch filibusterer of the civil rights act. Darling of the left and beloved by all Democrats and liberal progressives. Whose most telling televised comment can still be watched on Youtube. The comment which has been poo-pooed by most major figures in the Democrat party including Billy Jeff Clinton. After all he was just an old southern white guy trying to win and election. Cliven Bundy’s problem is that while he’s an old white guy he’s not trying to get elected as a Democrat.

Oldnuke on April 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Depending how you read this all Bundy is saying is that a group of people have traded one set of chains for another, but under the previous set they at least had families and and work ethic. Now they have neither.

If that’s what he’s saying and if you’ve been to many of our ghettos I don’t see how any can really argue with that.

Is it said inarticulately, sure. But this is the NY Slimes doing the reporting so I’ll take it with a heaping of salt.

njrob on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

I agree. However, the media are always waiting for the sound bite
they can use against conservatives. Looks like they got a whole
paragraph!

I wish someone would have the “balls” to say, “While I don’t agree
with what Bundy said, the fact remains that government overreach
is a huge problem in this country. Government owns over 80% of
Nevada, etc., etc., etc. And spin off in to that direction.
Which is the real issue anyways.

Now I read that Rand Paul (whom I pretty much support) came out
with a “I don’t agree” statement. I hope the statement was more
than that.

Amjean on April 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

petefrt on April 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Didn’t you hear? Debates are so Bush administration.

But when it comes to debate, conservatives need to take a page out of Walter White’s Breaking Bad playbook:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob7_LkZWjaI

BuckeyeSam on April 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

No, it’s not just “one old man”. There is an article you can view at this very moment on an alleged “conservative” site. The author isn’t fond of the movie “12 years a slave” because it has no “contented slaves” in it.

corona79 on April 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

::: flame suit engaged :::

I think most of his supporters will stick with him, because it’s fair to say a lot of his supporters see nothing wrong with racism.

Let the old white male butthurt commence.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Wait aren’t you the guy who wrote he didn’t find anything racist about bundy wondering if the ne gro was not better off picking cotton?

coolrepublica on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Thanks for making my point.

Are blacks better off under their new masters? And did Bundy say blacks should go back to being slaves picking cotton, or that they are good for nothing but picking cotton?

Bundy legitimately wonders how blacks are better off as slaves to the state, and so do I. Not only should we not bring back slave owning plantations owners, but we should end the government plantation as well.

Wait aren’t you the guy who wrote he didn’t find anything racist about bundy wondering if the ne gro was not better off picking cotton? Lol. Um ok master. I will get get right on admiring my cotton picking legs and shut my stupid ni gro mouth. Any more request master before I go back to picking cotton? Lol

If picking cotton makes you happy and free then pick cotton. If it doesn’t find something else to do. Something more productive then admiring your own legs and being incapable of critical analysis of what Bundy said.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM

NotCoach echoes my thoughts as well. I read Bundy’s comments and thought – yep – not the most artful way to say it, but yes, true if you get to the root of what he’s saying.

Free Indeed on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Bundy did nothing wrong. The truth is what it is. Black society’s dysfunction has very little to do with culture and everything to do with:
1. Genetically based impulse control (or lack thereof)
2. Economic incentives provided by the government
3. The rise of litigation and fear of offending those needing correction.

The real irony here is that people and politicians who support policies with OBJECTIVELY racist outcomes, like the drug war and federalization of education, are the first to condemn this man for his words, which apparently many think are more important than actions, you know – like police brutality and predatory lending.

abobo on April 24, 2014 at 10:18 AM

abobo on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Yeesh. That’s about as ugly as it gets.

Yes, it is very ugly, but it isn’t the ugliest that I’ve read all week. Just read what the Left had to say about Clarence Thomas after the affirmative action decision.

I suppose if Cliven Bundy allegedly speaks for all of us, then those vile racists on Twitter and elsewhere speak for everyone on the Left.

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

And the coverage on this from many has been derelict. Can you imagine a news network offering an armed bank robber a sympathetic mic and coverage because he’d crime was in protest of some IRS or Federal Reserve rule he considered to be unconstitutional?

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Agreed, could you imagine the media being derelict in not pursuing the matter of a tax dodger being appointed head of the Treasury Department? Of a congressman failing to report rental income? Of a senator being associated with a domestic terrorist?

Why that would be scandalous, thank Gaia our media is never derelict.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

You really don’t know any older people like this? I do and I am prepared to cringe every time they open their mouths. And it doesn’t have to be about race, it’s everything. And they don’t care how loud they are or who hears them.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Or for sure.
And that’s why I feel sympathy for and not animus towards Bundy.
I’m fine with a ‘well, he doesn’t know any better’. But that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t…and that others involved here do.
I don’t doubt that many of their supporters would welcome actual harm coming to him…a martyr for a ’cause’.
Let’s not forget the yahoo that was planning on putting women upfront so the ‘whole world could see them get shot’.
Like I said…it started silly, and then it got dangerous.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

That’s just not true. If they had truly ‘decided on force’ we’d be dealing with a much more tragic situation here for all.
And the coverage on this from many has been derelict. Can you imagine a news network offering an armed bank robber a sympathetic mic and coverage because he’d crime was in protest of some IRS or Federal Reserve rule he considered to be unconstitutional?
This whole thing started silly,…and then got dangerous.
And there is no standoff here…the fed backed down. So it seems they did something from Waco.
Indeed Bundy has only himself to blame – along with the folks that convinced him he was above the law. As for the ‘time he was raised in’ – the majority of folks raised then have little to nothing in common with the guy.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Oh, please. Just going by the facts – someone who owes the government lots of money and has broken the law – Al Sharpton and Charles Rangel should have had the SWAT team sent after them.

People who are talking about how important the rule of law is are ignoring the fact that we have a lawless executive. We don’t demand Rule Of The Law when it comes to immigration. We don’t demand Rule Of The Law when it comes to ObamaCare. Or getting taxes owed by federal employees (who owe billions).

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

So we should be defending this loser – a man who refers to black Americans in 2014 as “the Negr0” – because…conservatism?

Fail.

Good Lt on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Oh my. He used that word? I guess that N-word is now the one that trips the racist alarm bells. Didn’t know that.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

For all the defenive ‘raaaacccciiiist’ snark coments that seem to be thrown up at any issue involving race, you can’t really make too much of poster boy from your straight talker here.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

I’m not making him a poster boy for anything. But I am upset over the stupid knee-jerk reaction from otherwise conservative folks. “Oh no! He said something that will offend the perpetually aggrieved? Oh noes! Quick! Everyone shove your heads into the sand!”

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM

And yes, black culture is inferior and subhuman. I said that. Is that racist? As I like to say, “Black is beautiful, but Ghetto is ugly. Doesn’t matter what color it is.”

RockinRickOwen on April 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Of course the automatic reaction will be you’re a racist because the reactors are lazy PC thinkers. I agree, much of black culture is ugly. But culture is not race. People choose their lot in life, and it’s time we start letting people know there are better choices.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Agreed, could you imagine the media being derelict in not pursuing the matter of a tax dodger being appointed head of the Treasury Department? Of a congressman failing to report rental income? Of a senator being associated with a domestic terrorist?

Why that would be scandalous, thank Gaia our media is never derelict.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

You win the internet.. :)

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM

This blog article by Ed really is a new low. Ed did the GOPe contact you and ask (tell) you to begin a thought shift cause this might hurt indy votes in Nov?

Since when are we suppose to fully accept NYT hearsay through progressive PC filters?

Maybe some first hand investigative information is necessary to inform the readers or ignoring the topic is a better policy than glad handing the MSM presstitutes.

Here is an angle maybe you could research. Why is the alphabet soup of federal bureaucracies becoming so militaristic at a time when the DOD is being Jenny Craig’d?

smitty41 on April 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Is it a real line? Or is it simply a level of being offended because, well, we-just-don’t-do-that-sort-of-thing-around-here? Because I’m thinking it’s more of the latter.

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 9:54 AM

What the welfare state has done to those it supposedly “serves” is reprehensible. It is doubly outrageous because, based on LBJ’s famous comment (google LBJ and the N-word), it seems the Great Society was actually designed to create government dependency.

But slavery is a very different creature because it denies people their very humanity and inspires all sorts of depravity and cruelty. The practice is condemned in the Bible, and the history of slavery in America demonstrates the wisdom of God’s Word.

Comparing the two as casually as he did–then gratuitously adding a cotton-picking reference–strongly suggests he views blacks as “less” than other people.

Outlander on April 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Agreed, could you imagine the media being derelict in not pursuing the matter of a tax dodger being appointed head of the Treasury Department? Of a congressman failing to report rental income? Of a senator being associated with a domestic terrorist?

Why that would be scandalous, thank Gaia our media is never derelict.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

It’s a good thing none of that stuff happened then.

/sarc

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

The man is in his eighties, they have been having this argument for twelve years, why now? He has lost in court three times (although why he didn’t get a lawyer is beyond me), they could have put a lien on his property and when he is dead, they get it all. They will anyway. They decided to bring force, I will give them kudos for realizing it was a bad option. Now, I wanted to have a rally against the Delta Smelt but I’m on the East Coast.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM

::: flame suit engaged :::

I think most of his supporters will stick with him, because it’s fair to say a lot of his supporters see nothing wrong with racism.

Let the old white male butthurt commence.

Basement Dweller on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Commenter decries supposed racism while simultaneously believing that everyone here is an old white male.

ROFL

This is why HotGas is so awesome.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Bundy’s not sympathizing with black people in either situation. He’s pitying them. And that makes it racist. Not bigoted. Racist.

It’s a disconnected lifestyle. And it’s their choice. Draw the battle-line with the Texas landgrab, not this one.

budfox on April 24, 2014 at 10:18 AM

It’s only racist if “blacks” are not part of the human race. Stop buying into the Left’s terminology.

Nutstuyu on April 24, 2014 at 10:25 AM

This blog article by Ed really is a new low

Wrong.

The idiocy being spouted by this moron and the people who are continuing to defend it are at a new low.

They haven’t realized it yet.

Good Lt on April 24, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Bonuses for IRS workers who owe back taxes and discriminate against their fellow citizens!!!! God Bless America!!!

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Yeah, that’s the problem. His statement makes it look like he thinks blacks were better off under slavery than on welfare. I don’t think that’s how he meant it to sound but you only get one bite at the apple in today’s soundbite universe.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

True, and saying Negro, Slavery and Cotton in the same statement is sure to get you into trouble if you are an old white man and not a Democrat.

mbs on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

And the coverage on this from many has been derelict. Can you imagine a news network offering an armed bank robber a sympathetic mic and coverage because he’d crime was in protest of some IRS or Federal Reserve rule he considered to be unconstitutional?

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

No, but if he is a cop killer or Django Dorner, then MSNBC has him covered.

The Cop Killer Lovers On The Left Send A Big, Wet, Sloppy Bar Rafaeli To Cop Killer

The Depraved, Ghoulish Left Cheers On Dorner As Shootout Continues…Dead? Time To Riot?

It’s Not Django Dorner’s Fault! It’s The Fault Of The White Men In The LAPD!

Resist We Much on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

I hope he meant that like Phil Robertson, maybe not bad intent, but obviously not a command of language and making a point.

Sven on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

I’m sorry but this story smells fishy. I’m not into conspiracy theories, but a couple of days ago the LA Times was digging up dirt saying he has no ancestral rights to the land, then Harry Reid says that Bundy will pay for his actions and now a day later he is a racist? Hot Air should have done a little more due diligence then take the word of the New York Times on this before libeling a private citizen as a racist.

OliverB on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Support for this crazy law breaker is a new low IMO.
At the heart of conservatism and libertarianism is the belief in the rule of law.

weedisgood on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Rule of law? You’re accusing Mr. Bundy of being a law breaker?

Which of the many laws that this Administration have broken do you stand for?

The “law” today is whatever this Administration says it is. Or isn’t I might add.

They apply the ones they agree with, disregard the ones they don’t and change those with their “pen.”

bluefox on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

I think he need to address your cowardly PC thinking. What did Bundy say that was racist?

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM

This isn’t about being PC…it’s about a blatantly idiotic and racist comment that has nothing to do with the whole Bundy/government issue. Why even say this?:

I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Ne gro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

It’s no different than Helen Thomas saying Jews should go back to Poland and Germany.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 10:13 AM

And people younger than you cringe every time you open your mouth. So what? It’s a fact of life that younger generations can’t stand their elders. That’s why we are commanded to honor them–it doesn’t come naturally.

Nutstuyu on April 24, 2014 at 10:27 AM

So, going forward, we need to get clear what the rules are:

As a rule, the next time a “minority” criminal suspect calls a white police officer a cracker, incident to his arrest, said suspect should expect criminal defense attorneys and legal aid to not return his calls? Ok, got it.

And I guess that the Wise Latina Sotomoyor should also expect to be publicly ostracized for arguing from the SCOTUS bench that we need legal, institutional racial discrimination against whites to stop racial discrimination? Ok, got that too.

Saltyron on April 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Yep, the rules are never applied evenly. You can thank professors like libfree for that. Academia is responsible for the state this country is in.

DisneyFan on April 24, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Here’s the lefts way of asking the same question Bundy asked.

http://healthland.time.com/2014/01/06/are-single-moms-better-off-single/

DanMan on April 24, 2014 at 10:27 AM

It’s no different than Helen Thomas saying Jews should go back to Poland and Germany.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

It’s very different. Thomas actually thought Jews originated in Poland and Germany.

Nutstuyu on April 24, 2014 at 10:28 AM

It’s no different than Helen Thomas saying Jews should go back to Poland and Germany.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

If Helen Thomas had her rights violated, does that make her rights any “less violated” because she is an anti-Semite?

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 10:28 AM

So we should be defending this loser – a man who refers to black Americans in 2014 as “the Negr0” – because…conservatism?

Fail.

Good Lt on April 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

It’s just a word, brother, you would think a conservative would be more open to people using whatever language suits them best and let the fainting types be the ones to get upset.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Agreed, could you imagine the media being derelict in not pursuing the matter of a tax dodger being appointed head of the Treasury Department? Of a congressman failing to report rental income? Of a senator being associated with a domestic terrorist?

Why that would be scandalous, thank Gaia our media is never derelict.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:22 AM

What you don’t realize is that The Rule Of Law implies that some laws are much more important than others – particularly when you consider who’s breaking them.

If a rancher in the middle of no-where Nevada is not made to pay grazing fees designed to drive him off the land – as it did his fellow ranchers – and restricted in his access to public lands to save a tortoise that is somehow suddenly is incapable of co-existing with cattle then civilization and democracy will collapse.

Letting congressman and race hucksters and federal employees get away with breaking laws is just part of the government being wise and just.

Get with the program homophobe!

gwelf on April 24, 2014 at 10:28 AM

It’s no different than Helen Thomas saying Jews should go back to Poland and Germany.

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Ding ding ding!

Good Lt on April 24, 2014 at 10:29 AM

I agree. However, the media are always waiting for the sound bite
they can use against conservatives. Looks like they got a whole
paragraph!

I wish someone would have the “balls” to say, “While I don’t agree
with what Bundy said, the fact remains that government overreach
is a huge problem in this country. Government owns over 80% of
Nevada, etc., etc., etc. And spin off in to that direction.
Which is the real issue anyways.

Now I read that Rand Paul (whom I pretty much support) came out
with a “I don’t agree” statement. I hope the statement was more
than that.

Amjean on April 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Agreed. It’s the 1st Amendment argument, “while I don’t agree with what you say, I’ll fight to death for your right to say it.”

njrob on April 24, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Are you effing serious?????

Capt. Ed.. I think I am officially done with Hot Air. New York Times is the source???? Really? So now everything is just hunky dory with ya’ll because it’s been reported that Mr. Bundy said something we all damn good and well know is the truth, he just wasn’t very articulate and we’re all supposed to be done with him? So now it’s okay the goverment came in and tried to strong arm him? Came in with guns and tasers? That’s okay now because it’s Been “reported” by the NYT that he said something racist?? Good grief you all make me sick.

jewells45 on April 24, 2014 at 10:30 AM

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