Bundy’s comments on race provide breaking point for Paul, Heller; Update: Bundy affirms on radio show

posted at 9:34 am on April 24, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

And probably most other Cliven Bundy supporters as well, assuming that the New York Times report of his Saturday press conference is accurate. National Journal’s Brian Resnick described these comments as something “overheard” by the Times, but the Times report itself puts them in the context of an open meeting that took place after only two media outlets arrived for Bundy’s daily presser:

Cliven Bundy stood by the Virgin River up the road from the armed checkpoint at the driveway of his ranch, signing autographs and posing for pictures. For 55 minutes, Mr. Bundy held forth to a clutch of supporters about his views on the troubled state of America — the overreaching federal government, the harassment of Western ranchers, the societal upheaval caused by abortion, even musing about whether slavery was so bad.

“Overheard” isn’t quite accurate, in other words. This was a public event, and Bundy put his foot squarely in his mouth during it:

He said he would continue holding a daily news conference; on Saturday, it drew one reporter and one photographer, so Mr. Bundy used the time to officiate at what was in effect a town meeting with supporters, discussing, in a long, loping discourse, the prevalence of abortion, the abuses of welfare and his views on race.

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Yeesh. That’s about as ugly as it gets. It certainly got the attention of Senator Rand Paul, who had been one of Bundy’s supporters during the rancher’s standoff with the BLM. Paul’s office issued a statement distancing the Senator from Bundy, as Resnick reported:

“His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him,” Sen. Rand Paul said in a statement Thursday morning.

Closer to home, Bundy also lost Sen. Dean Heller, who had been arguing his case last week in a debate with Harry Reid:

Sen. Dan Heller, who the Times writes has called Bundy’s supporters “patriots,” offered this response to the paper via a spokesperson. He “completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way.”

This has always been a tricky case, one where sympathies and the law go in opposite directions, as John Hinderaker noted at Power Line last week. Legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg on which to stand, and his weird insistence that the federal government has no jurisdiction on federal land has no basis in law or reality. Having the BLM show up with a small army to collect a debt made it easy to sympathize with Bundy and to call their actions into question, but they’ve been pursuing this case through the courts for more than two decades, too, while Bundy grazes on federal land. The federal government may own too much land, but that’s an issue for the states to fight in court, not ranchers with guns.

Bundy doesn’t have a legal case. And it looks like sympathy just ran out for him, too.

Update: Jeff Dunetz advises conservatives who have sympathized with Bundy to walk away:

Cliven Bundy has broken the law to get what he wants.  He should fight within the system to change the law.  If he was going for an act of civil disobedience to make a statement, he should be prepared to accept the consequences. One of the consequences is confiscation of property including Elsie and all the other cows. But Mr. Bundy is trying to have it both ways break the law but face no consequences.  Beyond that I am not aware of any attempt of his to try and change the law, just his refusal to follow it.

In the end Cliven Bundy’s actions are indefensible from a conservative point of view while the federal government should not be owning the land—they do. In the end the govt. was protecting its property rights however unjustified they are.

Now that Mr. Bundy is shown to have at best racially insensitive beliefs, it time to end his 15 minutes of fame and its time for my conservative friends and colleagues who have shown him support to run away as fast as humanly possible.

Update: Bundy repeated the sentiment on Peter Schiff’s radio show today, stressing the use of “I’m wondering…”:

So the Times didn’t misquote Bundy. Mediaite also has video of Bundy making this statement originally. Conservatives didn’t buy the “I’m just asking questions” when 9/11 Truthers used that excuse; they shouldn’t accept it from Bundy either.


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Here it comes: Bundy represents every conservative ever born.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 9:37 AM

That’s how you do a FIRST!, homophobes. Read it and weep.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 9:38 AM

The lefty media will have are having a field day with this.

myiq2xu on April 24, 2014 at 9:38 AM

Yeesh. That’s about as ugly as it gets.

I’m starting to get pissed now because I don’t see the blatant racism that everyone is automatically assuming. Racism would be declaring blacks are good for nothing but picking cotton. Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

He’s still way better than Trayvon Martin’s father.

sentinelrules on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Here it comes: Bundy represents every conservative ever born.

I believe Oliver Willis of MMFA wins the prize on that one.

myiq2xu on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Republicans really want to associate with this loose cannon?
I think we have reached a point where we can officially say some conservatives have “Obama derangement syndrome”.
Support for this crazy law breaker is a new low IMO.
At the heart of conservatism and libertarianism is the belief in the rule of law.

weedisgood on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Meh. But is it true that LBJ got them voting dems for 200 years by putting them and others on the govt plantation known as welfare where instead of working to live, they just sit around smoking and joking as long as they vote for more? Yes.

AH_C on April 24, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Harry just won the war.

docflash on April 24, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Is overhearing this like hearing the N-word from Tea Party members? Has Bundy confirmed he said this? It’s not like this was reported by a credible source.

rhombus on April 24, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Oh boy, here we go.

timbrie on April 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM

But this isn’t about Mr. Bundy. It is about government over reaction. They have the power, they have the options and they decided that snipers, tasers and a strong show of force was the answer to errant cattle grazing. They could have put a lean on his ranch and collected at his death. He’s the last rancher out there, they won.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM

People are not as smart as they think they are.

albill on April 24, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Moderate Joe Scarborough spent 20 minutes this morning talking about how conservatives were wrong to support Cliven Bundy.

The establishment types get wee-weeed up pretty quick.

Ned Pepper on April 24, 2014 at 9:42 AM

I’m starting to get pissed now because I don’t see the blatant racism that everyone is automatically assuming. Racism would be declaring blacks are good for nothing but picking cotton. Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Really? *facepalm*

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Wonder if this will quiet Sean Hannity’s/Fox News’ mancrush.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Reminds me of when Bob vander Plaats, the socially conservative “kingmaker of Iowa”, forced candidates to sign his “contract” and last go round only two (Santorum, Bachmann) were dumb enough to do it and Bachmann claimed later not to have read the part about the “blacks having a stronger family unit” when they were slaves.

Marcus on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Yeesh. That’s about as ugly as it gets.

Sorry, Ed, but it certainly is not. That doesn’t even rank particularly high on the scale of “bad racist things to say”. It’s a shame you can’t see what it is he’s saying. (Is it generalization? Oh, yes. But it isn’t racist. Unless use of the word “negro” somehow makes it racist.)

[Will this comment get moderated for that word? We’ll see.]

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Oh, so a nut in one way is a nut in another way …

STOP THE PRESSES!

corona79 on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM

I’d still like some corroboration from another source. I don’t trust the NYT as far as I can throw them. The lot of them.

Dopavash on April 24, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Not only that, but he’s a father of 14 and a registered Republican, don’t you know…

claudius on April 24, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Is overhearing this like hearing the N-word from Tea Party members? Has Bundy confirmed he said this? It’s not like this was reported by a credible source.

rhombus on April 24, 2014 at 9:40 AM

I kind agree. Do we have audio of this? This was overheard by someone that reported it to the NY Times.

If true, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on, but if false, it will be seen as another time where the MSM tries to stop a movement that it deems as threatening to their views.

ConservativePartyNow on April 24, 2014 at 9:45 AM

Well if it’s the New York Times, than it must be true…/

idesign on April 24, 2014 at 9:45 AM

Wonder if this will quiet Sean Hannity’s/Fox News’ mancrush.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Fox News hasn’t reported this, so I suspect it isn’t true.

Walter L. Newton on April 24, 2014 at 9:45 AM

So when the Nazi’s went to Skokie they shouldn’t have been defended because freedom of speech isn’t that important if it’s distasteful? Is that about right Captain Ed?

njrob on April 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Bundy a racist? By liberal standards he’s qualified to host either his own MSNBC show or run the Rainbow Coalition.

When Dissent became Racist, they lost me.

Roy Rogers on April 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

I’m starting to get pissed now because I don’t see the blatant racism that everyone is automatically assuming. Racism would be declaring blacks are good for nothing but picking cotton. Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Sorry, but when you openly wonder whether being a slave was “so bad,” you’ve crossed a line that can’t be uncrossed.

Outlander on April 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Really? *facepalm*

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Really what? Point out the racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Duck Dynasty redux

vityas on April 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt

Idiot should have kept his dang mouth shut.

SAZMD on April 24, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Sorry, but when you openly wonder whether being a slave was “so bad,” you’ve crossed a line that can’t be uncrossed.

Outlander on April 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Bullshiite. Slavery was reprehensible, but Bundy is legitimately wondering why anyone imagines a government master is better.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Okay, I give up. Let’s just let the government go its unbridled length and do and say nothing because we don’t have the “right” poster boy (can I say boy). Waco and Ruby Ridge were cool to.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Exactly, so now because one old man couldn’t control his mouth, a common problem btw, the government over reach is ok?
I’ll bet Harry Reid had a hell of a party.

ORconservative on April 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Yep, that word got me moderated. Go figure. So that word must be what makes this “Yeesh. That’s about as ugly as it gets.”
That is pathetic.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Almost the same post as you, but I quoted that word.

Really? *facepalm*

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Yes, really. What is so wrong about saying such a thing? Is it painting with a broad brush? Certainly. Is it racist? Not a bit. Unless – as the filters evidently assume – using that word makes it automatically racist.

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Well Harry Reid promised something would happen to Bundy.

HumpBot Salvation on April 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM

But this isn’t about Mr. Bundy. It is about government over reaction. They have the power, they have the options and they decided that snipers, tasers and a strong show of force was the answer to errant cattle grazing. They could have put a lean on his ranch and collected at his death. He’s the last rancher out there, they won.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM

You’d have to spin/be spun a lot of fiction to suggest that the feds have been anything less than patient and tolerant here.
And when Bundy and his supporters made it clear they’d love nothing more than for LEA to actually enforce the law, the officers backed down in a sincere effort to avoid any harm coming to anyone.
They knew the best thing here was to to let Bundy and his militia pals and apologists have the stage and the spotlight.
Eventually they’d be revealed to most everyone who’d romanticized their bullsh*t.
We seem to be at that point.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM

And, I see they let it through the filters now.

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Sure did NP
They’ve got their Todd Aiken moment they can tack on to every gop candidate

cmsinaz on April 24, 2014 at 9:50 AM

People should be able to separate one issue from another. The fact that a man said something racial has nothing to do with the main question in this case whatever your views on it may be. However, most people can’t do that, so his time is over. The white man will be destroyed.

DisneyFan on April 24, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Bundy is everything conservatives say they hate. A guy who doesn’t recognize the United States government. A guy who doesn’t pay his bills. A free loader. And now a guy who says racist things. Walk away people. Walk away. Buddy is not worth your time.

coolrepublica on April 24, 2014 at 9:51 AM

Depending how you read this all Bundy is saying is that a group of people have traded one set of chains for another, but under the previous set they at least had families and and work ethic. Now they have neither.

If that’s what he’s saying and if you’ve been to many of our ghettos I don’t see how any can really argue with that.

Is it said inarticulately, sure. But this is the NY Slimes doing the reporting so I’ll take it with a heaping of salt.

njrob on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

I’m starting to get pissed now because I don’t see the blatant racism that everyone is automatically assuming. Racism would be declaring blacks are good for nothing but picking cotton. Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

It’s Duck Dynasty all over again. Outrageous outrage over a nothingburger.

nobar on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

“And it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” Obama said.

It sure was a relief then, when the left abandoned him and his Presidential campaign floundered. Can you imagine having someone who thought that about a large segment of the American public being President?

claudius on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Yes, really. What is so wrong about saying such a thing? Is it painting with a broad brush? Certainly. Is it racist? Not a bit. Unless – as the filters evidently assume – using that word makes it automatically racist.

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM

And Bundy’s use of that word should be the least of anyone’s concerns. He is ancient and grew up in a time when that word wasn’t derogatory (if it is now).

I think the knee jerk reaction by many so called conservatives in these threads is rather disheartening.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Wonder if this will quiet Sean Hannity’s/Fox News’ mancrush.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 9:43 AM

Fox News hasn’t reported this, so I suspect it isn’t true.

Walter L. Newton on April 24, 2014 at 9:45 AM

I imagine they’re working on finding and explaining the ‘nuance’.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

“Legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg on which to stand, and his weird insistence that the federal government has no jurisdiction on federal land has no basis in law or reality.”

When did HotAir bloggers get stuck on stupid?

According to the US Constitution, under Article I Section 8, land can only be possessed by the Federal government for needful BUILDINGS, post roads, ports or military/armory facilities. Which of those things are on the land in question?

The correct question to ask is… “Why is the Federal government illegally possessing so much land, and why aren’t more journalists asking that question?”

dominigan on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

I’m starting to get pissed now because I don’t see the blatant racism that everyone is automatically assuming. Racism would be declaring blacks are good for nothing but picking cotton. Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

He used the word “Negro” and “slaves” in the same conversation. That’s de facto racism in the today’s world.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 9:53 AM

At the heart of conservatism and libertarianism is the belief in the rule of law.

weedisgood on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

So all those stoner jailbirds, duly convicted by a jury of their peers, that The Won is going to give a get out of jail free card should stay in jail? After all they are convicted felons under the rule of law.

Oldnuke on April 24, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Sorry, but when you openly wonder whether being a slave was “so bad,” you’ve crossed a line that can’t be uncrossed.

Outlander on April 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Is it a real line? Or is it simply a level of being offended because, well, we-just-don’t-do-that-sort-of-thing-around-here? Because I’m thinking it’s more of the latter.

Idiot should have kept his dang mouth shut.

SAZMD on April 24, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Now, that I will agree with!

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 9:54 AM

From the onset, I wondered whether Cliven might be on the CIA’s payroll, and whether this night be a false event designed to discredit conservatives. Absent a conspiracy theory, the result is the same. Ugh.

brentspolemics on April 24, 2014 at 9:54 AM

If western ranchers are anything like midwest farmers then know they aren’t the most eloquent people you’ll ever meet, but their reasoning is usually pretty solid. I understand PC is not all about what a person says, but how they say it; but overlook that for a minute and you’ll understand where the man is coming from. At no point did he say blacks should be slaves again, but merely wondered aloud if they were better off having a purpose in life than not. Someone else was paying their bills in either case, but the slave didn’t have the time or energy for mischief which would land then in jail or an abortion clinic. That’s his point and others have made similar sentiments such as Bill Cosby.

sirmatthew on April 24, 2014 at 9:54 AM

It’s Duck Dynasty all over again. Outrageous outrage over a nothingburger.

nobar on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

I agree. PC has, unfortunately, tamed too many minds. If Bundy called blacks good for nothing so and so’s I would being calling him scum as well. Wondering if things have improved for blacks by becoming slaves to the state is a legitimate question.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:55 AM

I’m starting to get pissed now because I don’t see the blatant racism that everyone is automatically assuming. Racism would be declaring blacks are good for nothing but picking cotton. Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Wow. My comment got ate in moderation.

I’ll try again.

Bundy used the word “N3gr0″ (like that one HA filter) and “slaves” in the same converstaion. That’s de facto racism in today’s world.

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 9:55 AM

No matter how much an ugly racist Bundy may be, the BLM didn’t over-react any the less for it… and the states need to reclaim their land.

petefrt on April 24, 2014 at 9:55 AM

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Sorry, I disagree. The government had all the options and they decided on force. It’s fine, it’s over and it’s true, Mr. Bundy has no one to blame but himself and the time he was born and raised in. You see, if he had been a Democrat, he could have been a senator.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM

And when Bundy and his supporters made it clear they’d love nothing more than for LEA to actually enforce the law, the officers backed down in a sincere effort to avoid any harm coming to anyone.
They knew the best thing here was to to let Bundy and his militia pals and apologists have the stage and the spotlight.
Eventually they’d be revealed to most everyone who’d romanticized their bullsh*t.
We seem to be at that point.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM

ROFL

The BLM was all tough when it was a scattering of family including women armed with assault cellphones in opposition, suddenly they backed off when men showed up who made it clear that brownshirt tactics weren’t acceptable.

Tell me, at what point did you get over your romanticizing of OWS, when the rape count reached a baker’s dozen?

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM

You’d have to spin/be spun a lot of fiction to suggest that the feds have been anything less than patient and tolerant here.

verbaluce on April 24, 2014 at 9:49 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That was a good one! You should put that schtick in a comedy club!

So now we know that verbaluce thinks that “tolerant” is seizing land with armored and armed assault forces, destroying property and animals, and using government force to cover up illegal actions with an FAA no fly zone. The only thing missing are railroad cars to round up the dissenters!

dominigan on April 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM

cmsinaz on April 24, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Not every GOP candidate. Most of them took a hands-off approach and can readily say so when questioned. Bundy’s supporters are going to dwindle down to the stereotypical militia nuts and the Stormfront types, so they’d be free to trash him without alienating anyone who matters.

Paul’s probably cooked, though. Between this and the Civil Rights Act stuff, Bundy just became one of Rand’s political pallbearers.

KingGold on April 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM

Sadly the MSM will make Mr. Bundy the face of conservatives when it is so far from the truth. I sympathised with him only for the force that was used against him but not his actual claim. When I worked in Idaho the ranchers and outfitters hated the BLM and their rules but lived within them because it’s the law. As was said Mr. Bundy broke the law and even though the government reaction was out of line he is still wrong. The racial comments only inflame that and his views are completely not mine as a conservative but will be construed as such.

shadowdancer on April 24, 2014 at 9:56 AM

Sorry, but when you openly wonder whether being a slave was “so bad,” you’ve crossed a line that can’t be uncrossed.

Outlander on April 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Sorry, but when you have to intentionally alter the meaning of what was actually said to make your point, well, maybe your point isn’t that strong to begin with.

Bundy’s comment was inartful at best, and I’d have certainly said it differently (beginning with the “because they never learned to pick cotton”, he goes off the rails), but he was not saying that being a slave wasn’t “so bad”, ffs.

Midas on April 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Bundy is everything conservatives say they hate. A guy who doesn’t recognize the United States government. A guy who doesn’t pay his bills. A free loader. And now a guy who says racist things. Walk away people. Walk away. Buddy is not worth your time.

coolrepublica on April 24, 2014 at 9:51 AM

Stick to admiring your own legs, you sound more intelligent when doing so.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Wake up people. You are being propagandized. This is an excuse to murder the man.

ConstantineXI on April 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

So we don’t stick up for Bundy, and the next person who isn’t a racist and fits into the mold of the wonderful world of PC gets more government overreach and tyranny.. Bravo idiots, I didn’t know our Constitution exist only for “good” people.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Yeesh. That’s about as ugly as it gets.

Oh, I don’t know. A “wise Latina” SCOTUS Justice who makes the claim that all whites are racist is about as ugly as it gets in my books.

Happy Nomad on April 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

But this isn’t about Mr. Bundy. It is about government over reaction. They have the power, they have the options and they decided that snipers, tasers and a strong show of force was the answer to errant cattle grazing. They could have put a lean on his ranch and collected at his death. He’s the last rancher out there, they won.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 9:41 AM

That’s the shame in all of this. Bundy is an idiot but the issues are still the same.

Government is out of control and that point is going to get lost.

gophergirl on April 24, 2014 at 9:58 AM

claudius on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Exactly.

He is ancient and grew up in a time when that word wasn’t derogatory (if it is now).

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

That word is still the one used in Spanish-speaking countries. Since it means “black” – which is the ‘correct’ term here nowadays. What have they got against Hispanics? (yes, that’s tongue-in-cheek)

GWB on April 24, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Sorry, but when you openly wonder whether being a slave was “so bad,” you’ve crossed a line that can’t be uncrossed.

Outlander on April 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Actually I perceived him saying that he wondered if blacks that were on the government dole were any different than slaves.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

At the heart of conservatism and libertarianism is the belief in the rule of law.

weedisgood on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

And when the government blatantly flaunts the rule of law, then we have lawlessness. And if the government aggressively pursues lawlessness, then the only conservative/libertarian thing to do is to use armed force to defend themselves from a lawless government.

dominigan on April 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

I’m starting to get pissed now because I don’t see the blatant racism that everyone is automatically assuming. Racism would be declaring blacks are good for nothing but picking cotton. Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

You’re daft enough to not see that’s exactly what he said?

“They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton.”

Marcus on April 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

If I’m generous I can see his point. While I beleive there are a sizable group of blacks not reliant on welfare programs etc, there are also many who are. Would they be better off providing for their own communities? Absolutely. There was a time when this was the case. Less so now.

That said, I don’t think slavery was a period of robust black enterprise and freedom.

So is he a racist for saying this? Who really cares. I doubt the average black person gives a hoot about this statement. I can understand why politicians may be backing away from him however.

Narrative on April 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

So an old man equates government subsidies with slavery and suddenly his rights to property are no longer valid? Political correctness is destroying this country faster than any political party or policy.

fight like a girl on April 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Bitter Clinger on April 24, 2014 at 9:55 AM

I think the phrase that sets people off is including the word “the” before the new N-word – not the new N-word itself.

rhombus on April 24, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Government is out of control and that point is going to get lost.

gophergirl on April 24, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Yep.

Cindy Munford on April 24, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Slavery was reprehensible, but Bundy is legitimately wondering why anyone imagines a government master is better.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Might have something to do with whips and chains…

Bundy:

I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy?

You don’t see the blatant racism and absolute idiocy in that statement? Jeebus…

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 10:00 AM

D@mn…

That First Amendment Zone…….

and all…..

Electrongod on April 24, 2014 at 10:00 AM

I’m starting to get pissed now because I don’t see the blatant racism that everyone is automatically assuming. Racism would be declaring blacks are good for nothing but picking cotton. Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Yeah, I’m not seeing the racism here. He could have worded it better, but I see what he’s saying, and I’ve heard many people express the same sort of opinion without getting called racist.

mbs on April 24, 2014 at 10:00 AM

So an old man equates government subsidies with slavery and suddenly his rights to property are no longer valid? Political correctness is destroying this country faster than any political party or policy.

fight like a girl on April 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Bingo!

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 10:00 AM

I hear worse from the CBC, from Chris Matthews, from Harry Reid, from Bill Maher. I could continue this list for another hour or so. If any of these hateful hypocrites want to complain, I can probably get some audio of them not making a big deal of Jeremiah Wright. The only people who have the right to be disappointed with racism are conservatives.

Dongemaharu on April 24, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Cliven Bundy: “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the N*gro…..”

Me: “Best of luck with that whole….cattle…..grazing….taxes thing……………………………..ya f**king idiot….”

mjs28c on April 24, 2014 at 10:02 AM

According to the US Constitution, under Article I Section 8, land can only be possessed by the Federal government for needful BUILDINGS, post roads, ports or military/armory facilities. Which of those things are on the land in question?

That is incorrect.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

myiq2xu on April 24, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Has the NY Times report been corroborated by at least one other separate news source? The Old Grey lady just doesn’t carry the clout of credibility with me any more…

As I recall, fabricating “reports” like this is just the kind of dirty work ol’ Harry requests of the NYT to destroy support for those who oppose him.

Harry Reid was right – it wasn’t over.

The Ogre on April 24, 2014 at 10:02 AM

I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy?

You don’t see the blatant racism and absolute idiocy in that statement? Jeebus…

JetBoy on April 24, 2014 at 10:00 AM

No, I see it has a less than artful way of saying that government subsidy is akin to slavery, and since I hold that view which includes whites, Hispanics and Martians on the dole- I don’t find it particularly racist.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 10:02 AM

The old man made in inarticulate comment about whether or not the people he was speaking about were better off as slaves or as wards of the state. I really don’t see this as much different than when Trent Lott made the remarks during Strom’s 100 birthday celebration. Oh wait, we all live in PC land now don’t we. Flame on!!

glennbo on April 24, 2014 at 10:02 AM

47%-er….???

Electrongod on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Bundy is everything conservatives say they hate. A guy who doesn’t recognize the United States government.

coolrepublica on April 24, 2014 at 9:51 AM

Stating a lie, not matter how many times, does not make it a truth.

Bundy DOES recognize the United States government.

He does NOT recognize the Federal government’s claim of ownership over the land in question since they are not following the supreme law of the land that states the Federal government may not own land except for needful BUILDINGS, post roads, ports or military/armory facilities.

According to the US Constitution, the Federal government is illegally possessing the land. Thus, they have no claim.

dominigan on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

The truth hurts.

Leonero on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Bundy was/is not the issue, and anyone concerned with federal overreach needs to continually, and publicly, hammer that point home. The principle issue is the jackbooted thuggery of the government in sending snipers and ‘just short of military grade’ response teams to kill a guy’s cows and terrify him into submission…a response progressives would never tolerate in defense of Americans’ property rights at the border, btw!!!!!

Are progressives comfortable with the federal government sending armed teams of snipers to enforce federal law on land use? Remind the public of the border (lack of enforcement). Remind the public of the shutdown (closing open-air monuments, no less!). Remind them of the Occupy movement (where were the sniper teams when they were illegally camped on federal property, with people being raped and robbed in the camps? EH?).

Bundy isn’t the issue, and conservatives should refuse to let progressives distract from the core issue with this non sequitur. You don’t need to like Bundy to point out the underlying issue any more than you need to like the koran burning idiot to support his right to free speech to burn whatever book he wishes to burn.

xNavigator on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Wondering if the new masters many blacks have chosen (government) is better or worse than their old master is not racism.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Duh – he said he wondered it so it MUST be what he believes.

Beck is currently on air droning on about it as well. Clearly showing his reputation is more important to him than truth. It’s good to see things like this every so often so people can show their true colors.

It is unfathomable to people that it is worth contemplating whether being bound in chains is better or worse than the facade of freedom with de facto chains.

The problem is that they would have to first accept that we have, as a society, institutionalized slavery through the welfare state.

CycloneCDB on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

At the heart of conservatism and libertarianism is the belief in the rule of law.

weedisgood on April 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

So you would have kept your mouth shut until safely inside the “Free Speech Zone” designated by your government controllers?

Remind me not to look for you if society collapses.

Bishop on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Bundy is everything conservatives say they hate. A guy who doesn’t recognize the United States government. A guy who doesn’t pay his bills. A free loader. And now a guy who says racist things. Walk away people. Walk away. Buddy is not worth your time.

coolrepublica on April 24, 2014 at 9:51 AM

Stick to admiring your own legs, you sound more intelligent when doing so.

NotCoach on April 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Wait aren’t you the guy who wrote he didn’t find anything racist about bundy wondering if the ne gro was not better off picking cotton? Lol. Um ok master. I will get get right on admiring my cotton picking legs and shut my stupid ni gro mouth. Any more request master before I go back to picking cotton? Lol

coolrepublica on April 24, 2014 at 10:03 AM

The Democratic Party has become the new plantation, and continues to lead many blacks to a life of poverty and despair….

That’s what Bundy was trying to say.

idesign on April 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM

That is incorrect.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

myiq2xu on April 24, 2014 at 10:02 AM

You need to read what you quote before you post. I’ve highlighted the relevant part which invalidates your argument. What buildings on the land in question satisfy the requirement YOU quoted?

dominigan on April 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM

WTF did he say that was racist? He mused whether blacks were better off as slaves or welfare recipients. It seemed to be a condemnation of welfare and its affect on families. But he must be torched for giving his opinion. Free country my azs.

BL@KBIRD on April 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM

I don’t think Bundy was saying that slavery was good. His observations, as he stated, were that people were not working and ‘staying together as a family’ when on welfare. Ok, if he had stated something to the effect that having a purpose or vision in life coupled with proper role models and ambition to learn and better yourself, no matter, he still would be viewed as racist

lyannea on April 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM

When a liberal sticks a mic in your faces and asks whether you side with Clive, tell them, first, to go stick a mic in the face of a Democrat and ask if they side with Margaret Sanger about the use of abortion in eugenics. Oh, and which person’s opinion has had a greater impact on American life.

BuckeyeSam on April 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM

I didn’t know our Constitution exists only for “good” people.

melle1228 on April 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

+100 !!!

petefrt on April 24, 2014 at 10:06 AM

HotAir reports: a racist person said a racist thing! Wow!!!

vlad martel on April 24, 2014 at 10:06 AM

The NYT is known to lie and twist words. Some of you sanctimonious kool aid drinkers better wait to hear the truth before you jump to conclusions. Anyway, Bundy has constitutional rights even if he is a racist.

fight like a girl on April 24, 2014 at 10:06 AM

So the newest folk hero the conservative right has been propping up as a “true American” is a white supremacist? Must be Thursday.

libfreeordie on April 24, 2014 at 10:07 AM

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