A Trojan Horse on amnesty in the defense bill?

posted at 10:01 am on April 19, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

I’m not sure if this is one of the things that John Boehner was talking about when he said he was hell bent on passing some immigration legislation, but there is more controversy surrounding the upcoming defense authorization bill on a related subject. Over at The Corner, Mark Krikorian raises the alarm over a meeting which just took place between two unlikely figures in the immigration debate.

In related news, President Obama is meeting with the National Commander of the American Legion this morning. Ordinarily, that would mean little, but the meeting comes just days after the Legion came out against a plan to amnesty illegal aliens who join the military. The number of people who would benefit from such an amnesty is miniscule (and there’s already a statutory means of allowing them to enlist), so why would the president take time out to summon the head of the Legion for a tiny, redundant immigration provision?

Here’s the article where the American Legion comes out against this policy. It’s fairly obvious that the Legion’s leadership isn’t trying to step on the fingers of anyone who serves, but simply wants to keep the two issues each in their own space.

“The NDAA needs to stand alone, and I think attaching an issue as contentious and complex as immigration and recruitment policy would only stall the NDAA,” said John Stovall, director of the American Legion’s national security division. “Immigration policy needs to be debated on its own outside the debate of NDAA.”

I’ve written about the pros and cons of granting citizenship to those who serve in the military here before, and it’s clearly a topic which generates some controversy. But whether you support it or not, Krikorian raises the point that perhaps the “must pass” defense spending authorization bill isn’t the place to ram it through. And he’s already hearing from some insiders on the hill that plans are afoot which could turn it into a larger headache. (Emphasis mine.)

Because it’s a Trojan Horse — if it’s included in the must-pass defense authorization bill when it’s sent to the Senate, Harry Reid can expand it into a larger amnesty confident in the knowledge that it would have to be passed. I’ve been told by a Republican House member that the Democrat (and, presumably, “hellbent” House leadership) plan is to add the entire DREAM Act to the defense bill once it gets to the Senate

I may still be living in denial, but that simply doesn’t make sense. I understand why Boehner is gauging the political realities of getting something done on immigration this year. (And more importantly, during the glide path to November 2016) But I’m expecting to see some specific, individual pieces of legislation dealing with stronger border security, E-verify or tougher penalties for employers of illegals. I can’t believe that the House leadership would even consider backing inclusion of the entire DREAM Act in the defense bill.

Either way, it sets the stage to have some interesting questions answered. First, the concern of a Trojan Horse here is real, so we’ll need to find out if the GOP is smart enough to not allow that door to be cracked open on the NDAA. And second – whether it happens here or in some stand-alone legislation – we’ll find out just how far the House is willing to go down this road in the name of getting their names on something with the word immigration on it. But it’s going to start yet another revolt among the conservative base if something like the DREAM Act makes it’s way through, and this one may start a fire too big for Boehner to put out.


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At least they’re wearing a rubber while they screw us this time.

Flange on April 19, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Back door? Another SSM thread?

Oh, amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Still, equally offensive.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2014 at 10:09 AM

yeah, it’s in the back door alright.

8 weight on April 19, 2014 at 10:12 AM

I may still be living in denial…

Yes you are. Politicians don’t care how they get what they want, merely that they get it.

Fenris on April 19, 2014 at 10:13 AM

This is easy…republicans allow this happen and that will be an indication that we won’t be voting our way out of this mess our elite have wrought.

At that point the only thing a patriot can do is vote in the worst of the politicians to explode the system quicker. Let it burn. Then when it is finished burning maybe we can put it back together. It is apparent that we do not have the power to get common sense laws passed in this country. The only people who win are the powerful.

If this amnesty passes it is time to let it burn.

JimBob on April 19, 2014 at 10:13 AM

John Boehner doesn’t care about the future of the Republican Party. He’s already made his millions and he’ll make millions more when he passes his donor’s agenda. The fact that John Boehner is still in leadership shows that other Congressional Republicans don’t care either. My congressman voted for Boehner as speaker and I will hold him accountable for it too.

joekenha on April 19, 2014 at 10:14 AM

We don’t need this messing with the language and making an opening for the Senate to add the entire Dream Act.

This provision exists, I am positive that you can go into the military service and then become a citizen later, we have had swearings-in in Massachusetts.

The Dream Act can mean anything Obama WANTS it to after they pass it. He will just change that law too.

Fleuries on April 19, 2014 at 10:18 AM

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague. –Cicero

opunmind on April 19, 2014 at 10:20 AM

This is why Boehner has to go. He can pass a good immigration bill, one which addresses the problems we actually have with the system, without giving in to the Democrats. If we only had some leadership in the House, they could pass a bill and even get some Democrat votes on it, which would force Reid to bring it up. Instead Boehner is going to cave and give the Senate the opportunity to get their way again.

There is no leadership in the House and that includes Eric Cantor Let’s face it, leadership, as a whole, would have to allow this to slip in and, if that happens, I sense a real war come November. This may be why Boehner wanted to get this done after the primary season, so I’d be watching this stuff closely.

This may just be the way to stop Republicans from taking the Senate, get the voters so angry at the existing group they refuse to show up at the polls. It’s a great strategy for the Democrats so why is the stupid party going along with it. Well, with majorities come responsibilities, with no leadership willing to accept those responsibilities, perhaps they’re only willing to collect a paycheck from the taxpayers and not do their jobs.

bflat879 on April 19, 2014 at 10:26 AM

My congressman voted for Boehner as speaker and I will hold him accountable for it too.

joekenha on April 19, 2014 at 10:14 AM

No, actually you will not. You, just like most American’s, have been told a lie, which you swallowed hook line and sinker.

Failing to reelect a politicians who ignored the will of their constitutes or does genuine harm to the nation does not equal holding them accountable.

Holding a politician accountable for mendacious malfeasance would actually require them being criminally prosecuted and then fined and incarcerated.

oscarwilde on April 19, 2014 at 10:35 AM

The plutocracy is strong and immovable. Vote in one of elite, he/she simply expands it for the good of the plutocrats. Vote in a maverick or a idealistic candidate, and they become a figurehead while the plutocracy operates apart from them.

Not many even get behind the beltway unless the plutocrats let them in. And those that slip through quickly learn how to play the game, or else they are hamstrung at even turn.

The election process has become a fools errand, something to keep the rabble busy, giving them the the “feel goods” that they are making a difference.

The real 1% are the Political Class. And the rich are their subjects, and we are the serfs. And if you think the constitution means squat to these people, I have magic unicorn to sell you.

Walter L. Newton on April 19, 2014 at 10:37 AM

I understand why Boehner is gauging the political realities of getting something done on immigration this year. (And more importantly, during the glide path to November 2016)But I’m expecting to see some specific, individual pieces of legislation dealing with stronger border security, E-verify or tougher penalties for employers of illegals.

Yeah, besides the grammar being horrendous, I have no idea what that means politically speaking.

lowandslow on April 19, 2014 at 10:37 AM

1986 – “There will be no more amnesty. We will secure our borders!”

2014 – “Trust us, we know what we’re doing!”

LIARS!

GarandFan on April 19, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Let it burn.

theo22 on April 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

I understand why Boehner is gauging the political realities of getting something done on immigration this year. (And more importantly, during the glide path to November 2016)But I’m expecting to see some specific, individual pieces of legislation dealing with stronger border security, E-verify or tougher penalties for employers of illegals.

Yeah, besides the grammar being horrendous, I have no idea what that means politically speaking.

lowandslow on April 19, 2014 at 10:37 AM

It’s the metaphorical equivalent of saying, lay back, relax and learn to enjoy it, it’s going to happen and nothing you can do will stop it, so no sense getting hurt fighting what cannot be stopped.

oscarwilde on April 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM

They do this and I’m done with the Republican Party. No idle threat here.

Re-register as Decline to State.

islandman78 on April 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

The end of weeper of the house….. thank the Lord! And pass the ammunition!

ultracon on April 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

I’ve been told by a Republican House member that the Democrat (and, presumably, “hellbent” House leadership) plan is to add the entire DREAM Act to the defense bill once it gets to the Senate

Unless I have this tactic by Reid mixed up with another bill, I think this is exactly what they did to pass Obamacare in the Senate.

Reid took a dusty House passed bill and amended it and added the Obamacare into it.

Maybe others here will remember or if I’m mistaken, let me know.

It’s hard to keep track of so much treachery.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Boehner the democrat commie pretending to be a republican has got to go.

bgibbs1000 on April 19, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Let the Senate pass the defense bill first and then vote on that. Don’t go to conference on this.

blammm on April 19, 2014 at 11:03 AM

if the GOP is smart enough to not allow that door to be cracked open on the NDAA.

Using “GOP” and “smart enough” in the same sentence automatically makes this a parody piece. Is it still April 1st ?

bofh on April 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Reid took a dusty House passed bill and amended it and added the Obamacare into it.

Maybe others here will remember or if I’m mistaken, let me know.

It’s hard to keep track of so much treachery.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Yup. If you tried to sell a car like that, it would be called a bait and switch, which is illegal.

oscarwilde on April 19, 2014 at 11:06 AM

I am not the biggest border hawk there is, but why is Boehner hell bent on doing anything now. All it does create conflict on our side, and give Obama a victory he will chest thump (I Obama did it!!!) and then demonize the GOP for not going far enough.

William Eaton on April 19, 2014 at 11:10 AM

why is Boehner hell bent on doing anything now. All it does create conflict on our side,

William Eaton on April 19, 2014 at 11:10 AM

That is precisely why he is doing it. To create conflict, conflict that he hopes will prevent more TEA Party candidates from being elected, conflict that will prevent the GOP from taking decisive control over the Senate.

oscarwilde on April 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Even more bizarre right now the Democrat base is starting to fray over all sorts of other issues, like ObamaCare, the economy, affirmative action, environmentalism, school choice…you name it.

Yet Boehner and crew are obsessed with one issue…immigration.

As for the Chamber of Commerce they need to be more understanding, what are they going to do vote Democrat and get higher energy costs and a big tax increase, and regulations? Is immigration reform worth all that…I say they are bluffing.

William Eaton on April 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM

That is precisely why he is doing it. To create conflict, conflict that he hopes will prevent more TEA Party candidates from being elected, conflict that will prevent the GOP from taking decisive control over the Senate.

oscarwilde on April 19, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Maybe, but I think that is too complex for Boehner (he is not machiavellian enough).

I tend to take the most obvious answer…he is a politician…and loves cash from big business and the chamber of commerce.

William Eaton on April 19, 2014 at 11:19 AM

The only way to save the country at this point, and it is now or never, is to let it collapse as quickly as possible while we still have about 50% of the population left that is paying the bills and gives a damn. So, the best path is to vote the pubs. out and the communists in. The pubs. are just taking us down the road to serfdom so slowly that we won’t feel the pain all at once, and won’t resist.

The fact that millions are not marching on DC tells me, the time has already passed. There should have been hundreds of thousands in Nevada to support Bundy, instead of a few hundred. We are a nation of cowards who value our toys more than our freedom.

Let it burn, now!!

they lie on April 19, 2014 at 11:21 AM

The current law allowing service members to become citizens works well and is popular within the military. But, since it isn’t broken I guess we must fix it. Another attempted suicide by Republicans.

chileristras on April 19, 2014 at 11:21 AM

If Boehner cared at all about a Republican majority in the Senate and increasing the Republican majority in the House, he would come out once and for all and put an end to this nonsense.

Instead his “spokesman” confirms he’s “hellbent.”

Since Boehner doesn’t care, why should I?

EastofEden on April 19, 2014 at 11:22 AM

At least they’re wearing a rubber while they screw us this time.

Flange on April 19, 2014 at 10:03 AM

…yes…but I’m not going to let them ‘do me’ in the ass any longer!

KOOLAID2 on April 19, 2014 at 11:22 AM

But it’s going to start yet another revolt among the conservative base if something like the DREAM Act makes it’s way through, and this one may start a fire too big for Boehner to put out.

Lot of world weariness in those two little words– “yet another.” As in, “that tedious tiresome conservative base, threatening yet another revolt…”

But Mr. Shaw is onto something, too: the next time won’t be another “yet another.” It will be orders of magnitude different, and the end of the GOP as it’s currently cobbled together.

“Ain’t gonna be a rematch. Ain’t gonna be no rematch.”

“Don’t want one.”

de rigueur on April 19, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Any immigration plan is only further accelerating the end of the Republican party.
Most immigrants now refuse to assimilate, especially Hispanics.
They would rather speak Spanish than learn English .

weedisgood on April 19, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Divide and conquer. Works every time.

vnvet on April 19, 2014 at 11:27 AM

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Yup. If you tried to sell a car like that, it would be called a bait and switch, which is illegal.

oscarwilde on April 19, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Thanks. Bait & Switch, that is a good description of Boehner and his co-horts, Reid & McConnell. Whenever they don’t have enough R’s in the House or Senate, they get Pelosi & the Dems to pass their anti-American bills.

Boehner is Obama’s most favorite Speaker & Reid is his right hand Leader. What a team!!

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Why do the Republicans ALWAYS let the Left make the agenda? And for a group of people who live and die by polls, they don’t seem to understand them or what the people want.

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Sure, why not. That’s how they roll. Infinitely dishonest and cunning when it comes to screwing their base. Endlessly pathetic when it comes to facing the Left.

rrpjr on April 19, 2014 at 11:30 AM

the next time won’t be another “yet another.” It will be orders of magnitude different, and the end of the GOP as it’s currently cobbled together.

de rigueur on April 19, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I believe so. Let’s hope so anyway.

rrpjr on April 19, 2014 at 11:31 AM

William Eaton on April 19, 2014 at 11:10 AM

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM

It’s a cynical calculation. The GOP establishment wants to please their big cash donors… who want AMNESTY. The GOPe is calculating how long it will take you to ‘forget’ that they passed amnesty and want to ‘beat the other side’ bad enough to return to the polls and vote for the Republican candidates.

Their literally betting that they can pass AMNESTY, at least a partial one, batter conservatives for suggesting the law should be enforced, and get you back to the polls in time for the next election. They’re betting you don’t have a choice.

Their question to you is: “Where you gonna go?”

As for me, if the GOP passes AMNESTY of any form I’m not going to vote for them next election… or ever again. I may boycott the elections, I may decide to vote third party… but the GOP will have lost my vote forever.

If the GOP is going to pass the LEFT’S agenda… there is no point in voting for them… or sending any of them my political donation.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 11:40 AM

their.. they’re… sorry, typo.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM

William Eaton on April 19, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Oops. Wrong button.

Boehner lives in same gated community as a close relative of mine. I thought I saw something in the local paper reporting that Boehner recently bought a place in Florida. I think he’s pulling this off, cashing out, and semi-retiring to a no-income tax state. He has two daughters, one of whom recently got married in her late 30s. I don’t think he has any grandchildren. My guess is that he couldn’t care less about the generation beyond his daughters’. With amnesty, things will change, but presumably, he daughters can live somewhat unaffected.

Honestly, I think it’s a giant screw you to the GOP base.

BuckeyeSam on April 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM

I don’t know to more strongly stress that immigration reform is UNNECESSARY in this country.

What IS required is two fold–SECURE THE BORDER 1st.

THEN enforce existing immigration law.

Let this unfold for a couple years and then revisit it.

I suspect that one would find the problem manageable at that point.

irongrampa on April 19, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Unless I have this tactic by Reid mixed up with another bill, I think this is exactly what they did to pass Obamacare in the Senate.

Reid took a dusty House passed bill and amended it and added the Obamacare into it.

Maybe others here will remember or if I’m mistaken, let me know.

It’s hard to keep track of so much treachery.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Not quite – Dingy stripped the entirety of a veterans’ appropriation bill to shove PlaceboCare down our throats.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2014 at 11:48 AM

We really don’t have two parties anymore, it’s one party rule.

They have joined forces to keep their seats, promote their anti-American agenda and any means justifies the end.

They work together to defeat any Candidate that threatens that objective.

Regarding the Presidential election Candidate it doesn’t matter to them who wins, R or D. Only their seats matter because that gives them money and power. Their lust for power is fueled by their greed for money. Without their seat, they have neither.

Like attracts like, for good or evil.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 11:48 AM

And second – whether it happens here or in some stand-alone legislation – we’ll find out just how far the House is willing to go down this road in the name of getting their names on something with the word immigration on it.

Someone please explain why – I mean, beyond the fact that the f*cking ‘chamber of commerce’ people want a class of slave wage employees, and are bankrolling the Republicans.

There’s no other reason: the newly minted voters will vote overwhelmingly *against* the GOP, they will further accelerate our decline economically as a net drain on services and the government, they will further and faster bankrupt our healthcare system, etc.

The country is bleeding out already – why is the GOP in a hurry to open another major artery on both itself and the country?

Midas on April 19, 2014 at 11:49 AM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 11:40 AM

It’s a damn shame when our choices are the lesser of two evil. I swear I think half the nation could stay home on election day and theses idiots would buy a clue. Why don’t they try enforcing what is already on the books?

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 11:50 AM

If the GOP is going to pass the LEFT’S agenda… there is no point in voting for them… or sending any of them my political donation.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Actually, that’s what they have been doing since the mid-terms of 2010. They have no integrity or honor & have been totally corrupted.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Midas on April 19, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Don’t forget the Tech companies that can’t find an educated American (due to Democrat run schools) that isn’t so pot full of self esteem that they want to actually get paid a living wage. I don’t think we realize the decades it would take to reverse the damage done by the Left, even if we were allowed.

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Republicans have always been pigs at the trough.

The party establishment is essentially a crony syndicate dedicated to looting the national treasury, Boardwalk Empire style.

And yes it goes all the way back to crook lawyer Abe Lincoln.

bildung on April 19, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Let it burn, now!!

they lie on April 19, 2014 at 11:21 AM

I’ve been a “let it burn” fan. But I’m not sure this has a regenerative endgame.

I don’t think politics is the main theater of importance or conflict anymore. It’s the culture. We need to turn all the energy and money that goes into electing idiots and grifters who always fail us toward the culture war within our own immediate lives. This means fighting back on every micro issue and level we can find — from local Progressive school administrators to gay rights fascists to media liars. The Koch Brothers or some others need to buy the NY Times or LA Times — a single event like this would be seismic, and help at every level. The culture war is also far more immediate and accessible to Americans than politics. It’s in our faces all the time. This is where it’s at — where to change our reality. For example, if that Mozilla exe who’d been fired had simply fought back and started an actual high-profile battle we could have seen the beginnings of a paradigm shift, i.e., the country would have seen that the virus of political correctness is not unstoppable. It would have inspired millions. Politics end up demoralizing almost everybody sooner or later. The culture war represents an endless frontier of battles and inspirations — not to mention material victories — if we’d only fight. Start winning the culture war and the politics will follow like sheep with nose rings.

rrpjr on April 19, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Yes, this is why I will not only not vote GOP (having reliably voted for them without exception since my first vote in 1984), if they push this kind of crap hard enough, I *will* entertain the notion of voting Democrat, just to help them accelerate the burn, accelerate the annihilation of the GOP once and for all.

I hate what the Democrats have become, but the backstabbing, spineless, mewling lickspittle toadies populating and leading the GOP are pushing me to the point where I hate them even more.

ARE YOU LISTENING BOEHNER, YOU F*CK??

Midas on April 19, 2014 at 11:57 AM

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Not quite – Dingy stripped the entirety of a veterans’ appropriation bill to shove PlaceboCare down our throats.

Steve Eggleston on April 19, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Oh, ok. Any old bill would do for Reid tho, as long as the result was the same.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 11:57 AM

I have no problem adding the Dream Act to the bill. In fact, I have no problem with giving those who serve our nation the benefits of citizenship provided they are honorably discharged.

There is no space between me and Abraham Lincoln on this issue. After all, immigrants without citizenship made up nearly one quarter of the United States Army during the Civil War. Indeed, there are already laws on the books which speed up the Citizenship process for immigrant service members. I doubt that the American Legion is working to have such laws stricken from the books.

I fail to understand how fellow conservatives, who put much weight on individual rights, can be against something which moves people from an underclass in which they cannot participate in society into a position where they can fully do so. Ditto for the Christians and Jews here — for both the Old and New Testaments are is quite clear on the treatment we are to accord the foreigner among us. I can see Muslims insisting on second class citizenship, for that is one of the policies outlined in the Koran, but not those who hold to Scripture.

unclesmrgol on April 19, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Because they’re careerists who are far more interested in servicing their own ravening ambitions, which are all predicated on getting donor cash to keep running for office, than in actually being public servants and standing as our literal proxies in congress, for which they were elected and are duly sworn.

The smartest thing we could do would be to force them to pass term limits. Why should they be allowed to serve for decades when the president is restricted, wisely, to two terms? If they knew, going in, that the gravy train would end after two terms, we’d get a much better class of public servant, rather than a horde of careerist politicians.

The Chamber of Commerce and big business want this amnesty because they mean to use it to get to what they really want… doubled or tripled legal immigration. They want to be able to headhunt foreign labor because they pay less, overall, for foreign labor, and they can bypass those just graduating who have no experience, and they can fire those who have reached their peak earning years and commensurate salary and benefits. They want to only hire those in what, to the employer, is the ‘sweet spot’, and pay less overall while doing it.

They also want those low income workers, to keep mopping the floors, emptying the trash, washing their cars, cooking their meals, caring for their children, and cleaning their toilets. A new amnesty will insure a continual flood of illegals over our border to provide that cheap labor and keep wages depressed in this country.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 12:00 PM

The country is bleeding out already – why is the GOP in a hurry to open another major artery on both itself and the country?

Midas on April 19, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Why? Because they are scared shitless. Currently their are 86 million employed in the United States supporting 151 million receiving federal or state benefits. Declaring amnesty would increase the number of employed to around 110 million without substantially altering the number receiving benefits.

The problem with this theory though, is that the additional 30 or so million new “Tax payers” will be at the very bottom of the tax schedule, paying little or no taxes.

oscarwilde on April 19, 2014 at 12:00 PM

I should add that it’s the penultimate irony that the very reason that federal immigration legislation was designed, drafted, and passed into law was to prevent those who would use foreign labor from preying on American citizens and to prevent foreign nationals from draining the resources of American communities… and that includes jobs, medical care, education resources, and taxing our local justice system and social services.

Federal immigration was never intended or designed to protect or service illegal aliens. It was designed and intended to protect American citizens and communities.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 12:07 PM

As much as liberal versus conservative, this is ruling class versus country class. John Boehner is actually closer to Hillary Clinton and Harry Reid than he is to rank and file Republicans.

Obama is downsizing the military and contrary to the media spin, the job market isn’t that good, especially for people under 25. The military isn’t having any problem hitting its recruitment numbers. This may be another time when citizens who want a job (in the military) may lose out to illegalss.

bw222 on April 19, 2014 at 12:07 PM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Now I don’t speak Lawyer but it seems as if SCOTUS has already ruled on term limits. But in reality, we have term limits, so to speak, every election but we just don’t follow through.

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM

bw222 on April 19, 2014 at 12:07 PM

And oddly enought, who does the military usually vote for?

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM

enough…….good grief.

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Chamber of Commerce probably wants Democrats to win for a very long time cause they know they will get easy access into our tax payer money in the form of earmarks, stimulus, subsidy ect.

If Republican wins they will lose that easy money, big business will actually have to work for their growth, and can’t use the government to screw their competitor.

BroncosRock on April 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Don’t forget the Tech companies that can’t find an educated American (due to Democrat run schools) that isn’t so pot full of self esteem that they want to actually get paid a living wage. I don’t think we realize the decades it would take to reverse the damage done by the Left, even if we were allowed.

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Our kids may not be able to do math and science, but they know who Harvey Milk and Eldridge Clever were and are pro- gay rights. Mission accomplished.

bw222 on April 19, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Amnesty plan:

1. Border enforcement and E-verify
2. Wait an unspecified amount of time (forever?)
3. Two part Amnesty:

Part A: Offer Amnesty to illegals who have no record of criminal involvement (other than being here illegally) , anti-social behavior (other than being here illegally) and no record of taking government assistance

Part B: For every amnesty granted we deport two Double-Obama voting able bodied welfare recipients.

kcewa on April 19, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM

The very reason we do need that constitutional convention. We see the result of careerists more interested in servicing their donors than serving the interests of the constituents who elected them.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Amnesty shills, all of you, go directly to Hades.

The 9th layer is too cold for you.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM

And oddly enought, who does the military usually vote for?

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Good point. Illegals in the military will change that.

bw222 on April 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM

It really doesn’t matter much which party is in control (2001-2006 proved that) because we have become an oligarcy.

bw222 on April 19, 2014 at 12:17 PM

oligarchy.

bw222 on April 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM

bw222 on April 19, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Someone needs to demonstrate how that knowledge information earns a living.

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM

The problem with this theory though, is that the additional 30 or so million new “Tax payers” will be at the very bottom of the tax schedule, paying little or no taxes.

oscarwilde on April 19, 2014 at 12:00 PM

I heard Levin giving those stats you mentioned. Not only will these add’l 30mil not be paying little or no taxes, it will cause more unemployment and loss of jobs for the American citizens.

Also, out of those millions of illegal aliens here now, many are working. If amnesty or citizenship was an obstacle, they wouldn’t be here and continue to flood the Country. They either are working or collecting benefits, or both.

We don’t need more workers, we need more jobs.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM

We need to amend the constitution to allow term limits because it’s the best way we have to insure the the power really does rest with the people, not a cadre of wealthy careerists and their donors.

Although we have the power to elect a new politician every cycle, we’ve lost the power to get grass roots people in a position to be elected. Increasingly the party chooses who gets to run by means of directing and funneling the money and manipulating the media.

That’s how we end up with only that ‘choice between the lesser of two evils’.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM

ARE YOU LISTENING BOEHNER, YOU F*CK??

Midas on April 19, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Just to put things in context, here are the wedge issues of the day:
a) Immigration
b) Abortion (re-extending the right of life to unborn children)
c) Healthcare
d) The Economy
e) Big Government (corrupted healthcare, financial, housing, educational marketplaces; lack of adherence to Constitution; abuse of power)
f) The Deficit
g) The Right To Vote (maximizing voter participation; preventing diminuation/discount of votes through fraud)
h) Defense
i) The Budget (or lack thereof)
j) Taxation (fair share)
k) The Bill of Rights (1st and 2nd Amendments)

That’s quite a bit of stuff you are throwing over just to make a point on (a).

unclesmrgol on April 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM

You’re not alone or incorrect in your questions here, JS.

But, my overall shock, ongoing, is why people elected IN U.S. to U.S. political office then go about representing foreign nationals and often in great opposition to U.S. citizens — meaning, they work with the most intensity in U.S. office to assist and provide for foreign nationals which often then places their goals and wants in opposition, if not also with outright animosity, to what is best for U.S. citizens and what is most beneficial to the nation they are, instead, obligated to represent.

That applies across both parties’ membership. Too many people in U.S. elected, sworn to, protect and defend this country, us, the U.S.A., while then going about working to benefit foreign nationals and foreign nations’ populations.

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM

It’s a damn shame when our choices are the lesser of two evil. I swear I think half the nation could stay home on election day and theses idiots would buy a clue. Why don’t they try enforcing what is already on the books?

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 11:50 AM

They are all evil and all just as responsible for the problem. When the American public can finally understand that the Political Class does not work for the people or the constitution, then the people will have a starting point in which to correct things.

Short of that, anyone supporting the Political Class is part of the problem.

Walter L. Newton on April 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Amnesty shills, all of you, go directly to Hades.

The 9th layer is too cold for you.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Save me a seat, will you? If obeying Scripture sends one to Hell, well, there we go….

unclesmrgol on April 19, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Can you give an example or two?

unclesmrgol on April 19, 2014 at 12:26 PM

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM

We need something. Even if it is just the gumption to get rid of these professional politicians. But it is always some other representative that’s the problem, not ours.

Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Don’t forget the Tech companies that can’t find an educated American….Cindy Munford on April 19, 2014 at 11:53 AM

As far back as 2005, the Tech Websites were full of American Tech workers screaming about the H1-B workers. The Headhunters were only hiring these workers and shutting out the very experienced American workers. Most of the jobs offered were Temp jobs and or Contract.

Also, many of these Headhunters themselves were from India or other foreign Countries.

There has never been a shortage of American experienced Tech workers. That was a lie in 2005 and a lie now. It’s all about money via cheap labor.

P.S. Someone I knew experimented and did an online resume with a fake Indian (India) name. You should have seen the responses and calls that came in, LOL But the same resume with an American name, crickets.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM

And, I do think all legislation should be dedicated to it’s one, stated, titled goal and not include all add-ons. These add-on issues slipped into laws serve to make lawful things that shouldn’t be lawful, in many cases, or are at least objectionable to the U.S. population — otherwise they’d not be slipped-into laws to try and conceal them.

Foreign nationals while in the U.S. illegally should not be allowed into our U.S. military. I am SURE there are some fine individuals in that group (illegal aliens in U.S.) but the overall issue of WHO one is dedicated to, WHY and what one “serves” varies with immense details from one country to another and their respective populations. Using illegal aliens in our military has altered the psychology of the U.S. military and those who manage same and it’s not been for the good.

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Can you give an example or two?

unclesmrgol on April 19, 2014 at 12:26 PM

I realize from some of your previous comments here that you have familiarity with illegal immigration and it’s conditions. And that you have a suspicious view, so I’ve assumed from your comments at times, about those of us who don’t rationalize illegal immigration as being understandable and worthy of accommodations.

I mean by that, it’s Easter and I don’t find arguments worthy at this time.

There are many people elected in U.S. political office who go about working for the interests, wants, concerns and demands of foreign nationals and foreign nations by issue, subtle slights toward the U.S. citizens’ views, etc. Many of them. Take a look at the views and causes of individuals in Congress to locate those who do. But don’t ask me to engage in arguments about what you’re implying instead (a challenge to my earlier comments, perhaps).

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Immigration reform is NOT amnesty.

The swine of the land sell you all, down the river.

That’s how we end up with only that ‘choice between the lesser of two evils’.

thatsafactjack on April 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM

The people have no say. The CEOs do. I can’t find the article, still looking. Study just concluded…not that it’s news to us.

When every right and protection you have can be disregarded in their sole discretion, one really has to wonder how anyone can call it a ‘free country’ any more.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Can you give an example or two?

unclesmrgol on April 19, 2014 at 12:26 PM

I can’t believe you asked that question, seeing what the topic of discussion is. Lourdes made it very clear imo.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM

the next time won’t be another “yet another.” It will be orders of magnitude different, and the end of the GOP as it’s currently cobbled together.

de rigueur on April 19, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I believe so. Let’s hope so anyway.

rrpjr on April 19, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Yep. I’ve never been in the “let it burn” camp but if Boehner pulls a stunt this it could very well make me change my mind. If the GOP is absolutely determined to commit suicide, I don’t see the point in trying to revive a rotting corpse. I’ll grab a shovel to help bury it and move on.

lynncgb on April 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM

Save me a seat, will you? If obeying Scripture sends one to Hell, well, there we go….

unclesmrgol on April 19, 2014 at 12:26 PM

You’ll be in good company :)

Happy Easter

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2014 at 12:37 PM

If obeying Scripture sends one to Hell, well, there we go….

unclesmrgol on April 19, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Also, too bad that protecting the land’s borders and its sovereignty is not in the scriptures. Every other land in the world does that, or tries to.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM

I agree with earlier comments here, that we as a nation REALLY need to install term limits for Congress (both House and Senate).

More harms over the long-term have been facilitated by career-politicians in Congress — they build what I describe as their own fiefdoms, sorta’ like “sub governments,” in and from Congress by method of their “career-stoicism” in office: remain there for a lifetime and become icons to certain causes and groups and by that, then become alternative methods of government, detracting from the government itself.

Harry Reid is a great example of such travesty, as was Ted Kennedy, as is John Kerry, Feinstein, Boxer, Schumer, so many more like them. These are people who should long ago have gotten jobs in other areas because their long-term grasps on political office have worked not for the nation’s benefit but for their own egos.

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Let this be very clear – if the Rs vote for amnesty I will lobby against them, with the Ds.

If the land is to be destroyed let the ones who did it own it.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2014 at 12:39 PM

…Also, out of those millions of illegal aliens here now, many are working. If amnesty or citizenship was an obstacle, they wouldn’t be here and continue to flood the Country. They either are working or collecting benefits, or both.

We don’t need more workers, we need more jobs.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Yes, agree.

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:44 PM

If Boehner and the other Karl Rove RINOS don’t want to defend our borders and National Sovereignty, why should I vote for them and listen to them about the sovereignty of Ukraine?

Realdemocrat1 on April 19, 2014 at 12:46 PM

As far back as 2005, the Tech Websites were full of American Tech workers screaming about the H1-B workers. The Headhunters were only hiring these workers and shutting out the very experienced American workers. Most of the jobs offered were Temp jobs and or Contract.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM

I worked at an engineering/manufacturing firm in Dallas in the mid-90′s, and it was true then, too.

Midas on April 19, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Let this be very clear – if the Rs vote for amnesty I will lobby against them, with the Ds.

If the land is to be destroyed let the ones who did it own it.

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Something to think about. With Obamacare & Immigration the hot topics, I think the D’s & R’s are in a tizzy about the 2014 elections. What to do, what to do? Have Dems cross over where open primaries are, have R’s do the same? Which way to vote; Decisions, Decisions:-)

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:46 PM

…Also, out of those millions of illegal aliens here now, many are working. If amnesty or citizenship was an obstacle, they wouldn’t be here and continue to flood the Country. They either are working or collecting benefits, or both…

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM

They either are working or collecting benefits, or both…

Or their children or other family members are. WE also need to end Chain Migration. Just stop it, if only for a decade or so.

No to few human beings would ever support allowing a child from another nation who was in the U.S. illegally or who had parents who were, or aging grandparents who were, from starving or being homeless.

BUT THE POINT MUST BE a focus of what is most important as to priorities on U.S. citizens who are needy or floundering, whatever.

Instead, illegal aliens and their relations are made out to be lost kittens who the nation “must feed” and it’s a corruption of the concept of charity.

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:47 PM

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Let them all go to Hell. They equally ruin the land. Let the Ds own it all. If there’s anything left in the ashes, we’ll rebuild. If not, well then…

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Save me a seat, will you? If obeying Scripture sends one to Hell, well, there we go….

unclesmrgol on April 19, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Oh, please. Where’s the “roll eyes at ridiculous comment” button?

Maybe you can cite the “blessed are the illegal aliens/willful lawbreakers” part of scripture for me. Thanks in advance.

Midas on April 19, 2014 at 12:49 PM

If Boehner and the other Karl Rove RINOS don’t want to defend our borders and National Sovereignty, why should I vote for them and listen to them about the sovereignty of Ukraine?

Realdemocrat1 on April 19, 2014 at 12:46 PM

No reason to imo. They are so blinded by their arrogance & pride, they can’t see their hypocrisy.

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM

The future

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM

…With Obamacare & Immigration the hot topics, I think the D’s & R’s are in a tizzy about the 2014 elections. What to do, what to do? Have Dems cross over where open primaries are, have R’s do the same? Which way to vote; Decisions, Decisions:-)

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Both parties have made it a falsely populist understanding that by ethnicity, one is owed amnesty, that by ethnicity, one “special ethnicity” is deserved or “must have” a road around our (legal) immigration requirements, that they’re somehow owed citizenship by sheer degree of their ethnicity.

These assumptions are cruel, inaccurate and just wrong. So courting “one ethnicity” by feeling there must be amnesty offered is also cruel, inaccurate and just wrong to everyone else.

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:51 PM

bluefox on April 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM

I worked at an engineering/manufacturing firm in Dallas in the mid-90′s, and it was true then, too.

Midas on April 19, 2014 at 12:46 PM

It’s certainly true as to California — I’m seeing stats quoted in current advertising in CA that “90 percent of California’s population is from immigration” (or, it may even be “98 percent”).

And a lot of that isn’t legal immigration. AS to jobs and hiring, what occurs is as you both note — not only in tech but also in construction, manual labor jobs (which are NOT “jobs Americans won’t do”).

Lourdes on April 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM

I am trying to find a metaphor (or simile) that most aptly describes the Republican cowards who sell our principles on Amnesty. “Male whores” is incomplete because what these swine are doing is treasonous.”Treasonous male whores who are selling their bodies to the enemy.” But even this is incomplete because a whore actually GAINS something in the transaction whereas there is NO GAIN by caving on Amnesty. But this too is insuffi9cient because not only is there no gain by selling your body and soul on Amnesty, there is a LOSS. Therefore we are dealing with stupid traitors who pay the enemy for the help they give them.

MaiDee on April 19, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Wow, reality, suckers!

Schadenfreude on April 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM

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