Video: Inside the leak of the Tsarnaev capture photos

posted at 11:01 am on April 18, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Tomorrow will mark one year since the capture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the end of a massive manhunt after the Boston Marathon bombing. His older brother had already been killed, but not before killing an MIT police officer, and the frantic search for the other terror suspect had put the city in lockdown for hours. When they finally drew the younger brother out of the boat, the bedraggled Tsarnaev looked like the farthest thing from a celebrity or rock star to Sean Murphy, the tactical photographer for the state troopers on hand to document the operation.

Not long afterward, Murphy was aghast to discover that Rolling Stone had put Tsarnaev on their cover, in a soft-focus and blow-dried image, a treatment that the magazine usually reserves for teeny-bopper idols. Murphy decided to release the photos of the captured Tsarnaev that he had taken to show people a clearer version of what the terrorist actually is — and it cost him his job. As Murphy told CBS This Morning, though, he has no regrets:

Sean Murphy will run in Monday’s marathon, the first since the bombing, representing the young boy killed by the Tsarnaevs. Too bad Rolling Stone didn’t put Martin Richard’s picture on the cover.

Update: Sgt. Murphy was a state trooper, not Boston PD, and the murdered officer a member of the MIT Police Department. I’ve corrected it above.

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Not long afterward, Murphy was aghast to discover that Rolling Stone had put Tsarnaev on their cover, in a soft-focus and blow-dried image, a treatment that the magazine usually reserves for teeny-bopper idols.

Rolling Stone is not neutral, it’s on the other side.

rbj on April 18, 2014 at 11:07 AM

I will never forget listening to the online police scanners that night…followed the chase and manhunt in real time.

d1carter on April 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM

the frantic search for the other terror suspect had put the city in lockdown for hours

And don’t forget the complete annihilation of the 4th and 5th amendments as they proceeded to enter homes and drag innocent people out at gun point with no hint of a search warrant in sight.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Murphy decided to release the photos of the captured Tsarnaev that he had taken to show people a clearer version of what the terrorist actually is — and it cost him his job.

…nice!…is this America?

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM

…Martin Richard …

Who is Martin Richard?

Ah, the little boy killed in the bombing.

http://nesn.com/2014/04/1968-boston-marathon-winner-prepares-to-run-in-martin-richards-honor/

editors.

chuckh on April 18, 2014 at 11:15 AM

There was no reason NOT to release those photos. How would it force a change of venue? There is no doubt he was involved, shot, and hiding in that boat. How does it prejudice a jury? It doesn’t! What BS!

The attys are being allowed to age the case while they search for his nursery school teacher to bring over to testify that he was such a good boy. And Massasses, being the looney libturds they are, will eat it up.

Blake on April 18, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Too bad Rolling Stone didn’t put Martin Richard’s picture on the cover.

Too bad indeed but, remember, Rolling Stone’s agenda was painting Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as much of a victim as Martin Richard or any of the others who were killed or maimed in the name of the so-called religion of peace.

But while on the subject of media bias, let’s also remember that Chris Matthews didn’t show one ounce of compassion for the victims as he blamed the bombing on the Tea Party. An unrelated fire at the JFK library was also chalked up to Tea Party terrorism against the founder of the modern Demonrat party.

And finally the way the media in general bent over backwards to make this anything but an attack by Muslims.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 11:24 AM

The only photos I want to see of this bastard are his morgue shots, after his new husbands get done with him in prison.

TXUS on April 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Murphy decided to release the photos of the captured Tsarnaev that he had taken to show people a clearer version of what the terrorist actually is — and it cost him his job.

…nice!…is this America?

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Yes it is. Slowly becoming the kind of America that Bammy and Moochelle can always and truly be proud of.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM

And finally the way the media in general bent over backwards to make this anything but an attack by Muslims.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 11:24 AM

“misunderstood teen” – watch for it………………..

VegasRick on April 18, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Sean Murphy was a State Police photographer, the officer killed (Sean Collier) was a MIT police officer.

ontheroad on April 18, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Rolling Stone is not neutral, it’s on the other side.

Rolling Stone is on the DARK side.

charles.browning on April 18, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Yes it is. Slowly becoming the kind of America that Bammy and Moochelle can always and truly be proud of.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Sure – the slogans THEY would be proud of:

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:28 AM

I will never forget listening to the online police scanners that night…followed the chase and manhunt in real time.

d1carter on April 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM

i remember listening on the computer until somehow the boston PD got it shut down but someone in boston w/ a scanner used a microphone to stream it. some of the interesting parts were how many times officers were directed to different locations to run off reporters trying to sneak in as close as they could get.

chasdal on April 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Let’s remember what Dzhokhar Tsarnaev wrote in that note recovered at the boat (from ABC News):

‘The U.S. government is killing our innocent civilians, but most of you already know that… I can’t stand to see such [bullet hole] go unpunished, We Muslims are one body. You kill one of us, you hurt [bullet hole] us all.’

Martin Richard was unavailable for comment.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

And finally the way the media in general bent over backwards to make this anything but an attack by Muslims.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 11:24 AM

The LSM continues to play nice to muslims in coverage concerning such events. No doubt with Bammy’s admins encouragement and blessing.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

And don’t forget the complete annihilation of the 4th and 5th amendments as they proceeded to enter homes and drag innocent people out at gun point with no hint of a search warrant in sight.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM

You mean while they were in (hot) pursuit of terrorists with at least explosive devices and maybe more? That already proved their intent to do bodily harm. That killed/maimed/injured people at that point?

If this was Federal (Army), yes I could be inclined to agree without hesitation. But this was being done under the auspices of the BPD/MSP/ and FBI (Investigations). These weren’t kids pulling a prank gone wrong, this was was a deliberate attack against “Soft Targets”. and the country has a awful lot of them that can’t always wait for some Black robed Sage to rule upon it.

I think your argument would have had more merit if instead of explosives these two SOB used knives or even firearms…THEN yeah, it would have been gross overreach.

Also remember: Gov. Patrick *could* have declared a Statewide emergency AND mobilized the state NG to do the search instead of the states LEA…would that have been better/worse in your opinion?

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Stupidity is Freedom from having to think for yourself. Just the kind of folks they like…..

VegasRick on April 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:28 AM

I tell ya, we are on the cusp of living a real 1984. Orwell was only off by about 30 years.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:34 AM

How come no one asks this little schmuck about how he feels about running over his brother’s chest and killing him?

Blake on April 18, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Stupidity is Freedom from having to think for yourself. Just the kind of folks they like…..

VegasRick on April 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Oh yeah, they like ‘em and they have been grooming them in our institutions of indoctrination learning and importing millions of that kind of folk over the last several decades. There can’t be enough of people who can’t think for themselves and tend to lean on government to provide for all things.

/SNARK

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:37 AM

“misunderstood teen” – watch for it………………..

VegasRick on April 18, 2014 at 11:26 AM

As a legal defense? Count on it. That was the gist of the Rolling Stone propaganda too.

Just an innocent all-American teen who was led astray by his conveniently dead older brother, speedbump, and their crazy mother. The defense will paint Dzhokhar Tsarnaev as completely innocent and an unwitting co-conspirator (I didn’t know what was in that backpack).

And that note that ends with ‘We Muslims are one body. You kill one of us, you hurt [bullet hole] us all.’ Well that must have been something left by the boat’s owner.

It’s cases like this that make human beings despise defense attorneys. Tsarnaev’s guilt is certain but instead of working to ensure that he is treated fairly under the law, there is a legal team out there to essentially lie their asses off about the facts to paint a radical Muslim terrorist as a misguided youth caught “just being a teen.”

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 11:38 AM

How come no one asks this little schmuck about how he feels about running over his brother’s chest and killing him?

Blake on April 18, 2014 at 11:34 AM

“Cause he’s a victim himself, and that kind of question would simply be devastating to his fragile self-esteem and harmful to his psyche. Can’t have that now, can we?

?SNARK

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:39 AM

How come no one asks this little schmuck about how he feels about running over his brother’s chest and killing him?

Blake on April 18, 2014 at 11:34 AM

The little bastard will be trained to cry when his defense attorney gets to that part- whenever this thing goes to trial. And why hasn’t it yet???

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 11:40 AM

…glad to see the speedy trial…and all that!

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2014 at 11:42 AM

The LSM continues to play nice to muslims in coverage concerning such events. No doubt with Bammy’s admins encouragement and blessing.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

And fear of CAIR’s wrath which, like the NAACP, is a hate group who has been transformed into the mouthpiece for a whole community of victims.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 11:42 AM

As a resident of MA, I am disgusted that this office lost his job because he published these photos instead of the “Soft Focus” crap that Rolling Stone put on its cover.

Of course even now, the media is STILL referring to Tsarnaev as a “Suspect”…WTF?

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 11:31 AM

It was down to ONE terrorist on the run – they already had Speedbump’s body.
Your argument seems to indicate a willingness to let the government suspend the Constitution and our rights – basically implement martial law – any time someone uses a weapon bigger than a knife or gun.

I disagree. Your reasoning makes it far too easy for this administration to do the same nationwide, and I wouldn’t agree to giving them even the slighest legal sliver to do so.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

And fear of CAIR’s wrath which, like the NAACP, is a hate group who has been transformed into the mouthpiece for a whole community of victims.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 11:42 AM

There is that too, and not only CAIR, but many in the muslim community…..they are very cutthroat and effective in putting pressure on anyone airing anything about violent and antisocial acts pinned on muslims. Hmmmmm, wonder why that is?

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Sorry, buy your’e wrong. It was a gross overreach. They did not have probable cause to search any specific house. The Bill of Rights doesn’t allow for a waiver if explosives are used to commit a crime. The state NG doesn’t have any more right to search houses than LEA.

These are the exact circumstances that the drafters of the Bill of Rights had in mind when they created our rights.

blink on April 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Exactly!
“Hot pursuit” of a single criminal, of any kind, does NOT justify suspension of all Constitutional rights for the rest of the innocent population.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:52 AM

And don’t forget the complete annihilation of the 4th and 5th amendments as they proceeded to enter homes and drag innocent people out at gun point with no hint of a search warrant in sight.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM

And, even with that shredding of the Constitution those incompetent douchebags didn’t do jack to stop either of the Tsarnaevs. The older brother was killed by his younger brother running over him in an SUV and the younger brother actually managed to elude the thousand Keystone Kops in army gear, even after he was shot. The cops and the feds and the whole lot of the army-types imposing martial law around Boston didn’t do jack and finally managed to nab the little Tsarnaev only because a citizen (actually allowed to walk outside on his own property – the horror!! – found the little dirtbag.

The cops and the feds and everyone involved in that illegal occupation of American soil ought to be ashamed of their ineptitude and their totally un-Constitutional actions, especially as they failed miserably, anyway. But, it seems that none of them have any thoughts about what morons they are and how much they made total fools of themselves and mockeries of America as they shut down America that night. I’m still amazed by the reports of “pressure cooker grenades being thrown out of the window of the car” … yeah … right.

Pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 18, 2014 at 11:53 AM

There is that too, and not only CAIR, but many in the muslim community…..they are very cutthroat and effective in putting pressure on anyone airing anything about violent and antisocial acts pinned on muslims. Hmmmmm, wonder why that is?

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

You got THAT right!!!

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Of course even now, the media is STILL referring to Tsarnaev as a “Suspect”…WTF?

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

That is typical operating procedure for news media in any crime. A murder can be caught over a body with a smoking gun with several eye witnesses and he/she would still be referred to as a “suspect” or the “alleged” so as not to create bias in the eventual court case and trial, or so I understand.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Remember General Casey’s infamous – and repeated – remarks after Fort Hood? For example on ABC…

Gen. Casey Doesn’t Rule Out Terrorism

“Speculation could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers and what happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here.

Obama obviously approved.

No doubt part of the defense will be that the bad old U.S. doesn’t embrace immigrants sufficiently and it would be a shame blah blah blah…

Drained Brain on April 18, 2014 at 11:57 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 18, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Yes!!

If this had been in my neighborhood, when the cops came to my door, I’d tell them – no I’m not coming out because I’m safer in my own house than out in the open street, and no he’s not in here, and if he does try to get in my house, I’m sufficiently armed that I’ll call you to come pick up the body.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM

“Hot pursuit” of a single criminal, of any kind, does NOT justify suspension of all Constitutional rights for the rest of the innocent population.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:52 AM

You are quite correct….but I’ve noticed a complete disregard for our Constitutional rights when it comes to much current government and police activity, when it proves to be a hindrance for what has to be accomplished, and for which there is typically little or nothing of substance done in the way of reprimand or punishment for committing such acts.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM

…..they are very cutthroat and effective in putting pressure on anyone airing anything about violent and antisocial acts pinned on muslims. Hmmmmm, wonder why that is?

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Probably because behind every terrorist attack of recent memory involves just one religion. But that’s just a coincidence.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Every time I hear the word “diversity” I want to hurl.

Blake on April 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Probably because behind every terrorist attack of recent memory involves just one religion. But that’s just a coincidence.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM

The “religion of peace”? The hell you say?
/as if

VegasRick on April 18, 2014 at 12:03 PM

OT-

Leave it to a filthy Demoncrat to turn the high holy days of Christianity into a partisan photo-op. Sending it out as a Tweet??? Disgusting.

Nancy Pelosi has embraced her religious roots and joined forces with Bishop Marc Andrus to — as she put it — “honor the dignity and work of immigrants” by taking bended knee and washing feet at Saint John the Evangelist Episcopal Church in San Francisco.

Mrs. Pelosi’s official Twitter account sent out the picture of the Democratic House Minority Leader washing the feet of two children, alongside the bishop.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 12:04 PM

There are probably many pictures out there that the press has buried. You don’t need a picture of the Martin boy. There were descriptions from the people in the restaurant of arms and legs flying through the air. Let that sink in for a min. Any picture of the carnage would help to put into perspective, what these animal brothers did.

Rich on April 18, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Every time I hear the word “diversity” I want to hurl.

Blake on April 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Hey now – it’s not ALL bad.
I have a favorite t-shirt that says “Celebrate Diversity” – along with silhouettes of 56 different guns….

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Every time I hear the word “diversity” I want to hurl.

Blake on April 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Meh, Me, I want to hurl the speaker of such tripe off the nearest freeway overpass. But that’s just my inner disgust of such people speaking. Not that I’d really do such a dastardly thing. Just sayin’.

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Mrs. Pelosi’s official Twitter account sent out the picture of the Democratic House Minority Leader washing the feet of two children, alongside the bishop.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 12:04 PM

“um…..ms pelousy……the brown doesn’t wash off ma’am….”

“What?”

VegasRick on April 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM

It was down to ONE terrorist on the run – they already had Speedbump’s body.

Had A body. They were still going after the other zipperhead. But no one at the time had no IDEA if this guy was trying to egress the area, meet with another group (cell) of like-minded and armed co-conspirators or WHAT.

Your argument seems to indicate a willingness to let the government suspend the Constitution and our rights – basically implement martial law – any time someone uses a weapon bigger than a knife or gun.

No, my argument (POV) is that in this case, as it played out the State government did what they could do with the information they had AT THE TIME. Outside the FBI & ATF investigators and DHS (once it was established it was a terrorist act)this was all a State action.

I disagree. Your reasoning makes it far too easy for this administration to do the same nationwide, and I wouldn’t agree to giving them even the slighest legal sliver to do so.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

My reasoning was that, the circumstances as this whole thing played out, Monday Morning Quarterbacking aside is that the house search would have disturbed me MORE, if it occurred OUTSIDE the area this POS ran TO.

Plus as an aside, lets say they didn’t do the search for him THEN. They waited for the multiple warrants, etc etc. If the aforementioned POS got away to conduct another attack, or worse would you be okay with that too?

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

There are probably many pictures out there that the press has buried. You don’t need a picture of the Martin boy. There were descriptions from the people in the restaurant of arms and legs flying through the air. Let that sink in for a min. Any picture of the carnage would help to put into perspective, what these animal brothers did.

Rich on April 18, 2014 at 12:04 PM

The images that most resonate with me are

1) The video of the instant the bomb went off.

2) The video of people who are literally tearing apart a fence to get at those maimed by the Tsarnaevs.

3) The aftermath (days later) of the crime scene- everything seemingly normal but not.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Remember General Casey’s infamous – and repeated – remarks after Fort Hood? For example on ABC…

Gen. Casey Doesn’t Rule Out Terrorism

“Speculation could potentially heighten backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers and what happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here.

Obama obviously approved.

No doubt part of the defense will be that the bad old U.S. doesn’t embrace immigrants sufficiently and it would be a shame blah blah blah…

Drained Brain on April 18, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Ask a proggie to explain to you how exactly ‘diversity makes us stronger’.

slickwillie2001 on April 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM

You can’t really be mad at Rolling Stone after you find out the owner is teh ghey. What woman hasn’t fantasized about being swept away to some desert tent and feverishly ravished by a handsome sheik?

BL@KBIRD on April 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM

I have a favorite t-shirt that says “Celebrate Diversity” – along with silhouettes of 56 different guns….

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Now, THAT is my kind of diversity, and a T-Shirt I’d be glad to wear.:)

hawkeye54 on April 18, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Every time I hear the word “diversity” I want to hurl.

Blake on April 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Anybody who continually emphasizes diversity really doesn’t mean it. What they mean is give preferential treatment to everybody except the whites (males in particular).

It’s fun to watch the diversity wars here in DC. You’ve got an openly-gay independent running against a black woman. The various classes of victims are very confused.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Rolling Stone put the terrorist on their cover – how many Bostonians do you think canceled their subscriptions or wrote angry letters to that rag? I’m guessing very few. Leftists are moral cowards.

earlgrey on April 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

It’s cases like this that make human beings despise defense attorneys. Tsarnaev’s guilt is certain but instead of working to ensure that he is treated fairly under the law, there is a legal team out there to essentially lie their asses off about the facts to paint a radical Muslim terrorist as a misguided youth caught “just being a teen.”

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 11:38 AM

If the Chechen jokers lawyer can get him acquitted, the lawyer will be a God among his peers. Nothing personal, just business.

“if the lid on the pressure cooker don’t fit, you must aquit…”

BL@KBIRD on April 18, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Have the so-called “conservatives” that spout stuff regarding police officers that could be found in Rage Against the Machine lyrics showed up in this thread yet?

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 18, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Sorry, buy your’e wrong.

I’ve been told that a few times in my life, sometimes it was even true!

:o)

It was a gross overreach. They did not have probable cause to search any specific house.

Agree. But they DID have PC to reasonably search the *area* he was in…PLUS they had the duty to protect innocent life and limb considering he was using devices that had the ability to hurt a lot of people in a greater area. Again, I address no one knew for sure he wasn’t working with co-conspirators that may have be similarly armed or with worse.

The Bill of Rights doesn’t allow for a waiver if explosives are used to commit a crime. The state NG doesn’t have any more right to search houses than LEA.

Of course not. But it doesn’t allow for the Government to willfully ignore a dire immediate threat to public order either.

I think you’re trying to read way more into what I said as if I condone a blanket use of such tactics EVERY time. I don’t. But you are making it sound like this was the NKVD coming to take away the peasants during a foggy night.

These are the exact circumstances that the drafters of the Bill of Rights had in mind when they created our rights.

blink on April 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Agree…if *again* this was case where there was such a gross usurpation of the general welfare and the liberty of ALL of those people.

For comparison, the Branch Dividian standoff & Ruby Ridge I am in complete agreement with one and all: it ended badly unnecessarily so and Heads should have been placed at the tip of the Washington Monument for those that let it be.

The worse outcome from what happened in Boston was that within the area that Tsarnaev was in, people were evacuated from the house (and harm’s way, btw), and searched.

If they had their bongs on the table or bootleg DVDS in plain sight, no one was arrested for it, as far as I know….and if they WERE, I’d be the first to donate some cash to a legal defense fund for them. The focus was to get Tsarnaev and any accomplices, period. PLUS, no other innocent people got hurt, and THAT to me is good enough at the end of the day.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM

I will never forget listening to the online police scanners that night…followed the chase and manhunt in real time.

d1carter on April 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM

i remember listening on the computer until somehow the boston PD got it shut down but someone in boston w/ a scanner used a microphone to stream it. some of the interesting parts were how many times officers were directed to different locations to run off reporters trying to sneak in as close as they could get.

chasdal on April 18, 2014 at 11:29 AM

This event, at it’s most critical point, was an example of how “new media” has overcome traditional. I was also listening to a Boston police scanner via the internet. We could listen to the overhead surveillance – including a stunned remark from a police supervisor to change frequencies because the whole world was listening to them on the internet. Also, the on-site tactical team could be monitored.

At the same time, I was watching CNN. At one point, the tactical team discussed using flash-bang grenades, and then they deployed them. The CNN reporter was surprised and started reporting explosions and that the police were attacking the boat (false). It took a full ten minutes before CNN knew they were flash-bangs, while the whole world on the internet knew what was happening. I kept thinking, ‘Why aren’t *they* listening to the stupid scanners?’

Skiritae on April 18, 2014 at 12:33 PM

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM
BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM

I just don’t agree with your reasoning on this one.
I don’t agree with the government (federal or state) being able to suspend Constitutional rights under any circumstances short of all out war – and even then I don’t see a real need to violate the rights of US citizens.
And besides, on the armchair quarterbacking side of it – they never did find the guy during their unconstitutional house to house warrantless search – as ThePrimordialOrderedPair already indicated.
My view of it, in hindsight – is they should have surrounded the area, and gone house to house ASKING people if they had seen anything unusual. As it turned out, it was in fact a resident who saw something and contacted he police – and they got him.

So the whole operation could/would have been just as successful, more so in my view, without the violation of innocent peoples’ rights.
And that should be the basic plan for next time, if something like this should ever happen again.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Good luck with the new career. The fact is that we expect a higher standard from authorities than we do from Rolling Stone and having that discipline matters because sloppy law enforcement leads to failed and unsafe prosecutions.

What this kid did is appalling (except for running over his brother.. that was cool). Hope he rots.

lexhamfox on April 18, 2014 at 12:51 PM

The worse outcome from what happened in Boston was that within the area that Tsarnaev was in, people were evacuated from the house (and harm’s way, btw), and searched.

I would say, n actuality, people were evacuated FROM their houses, where they WERE safe, and out into the street where they were less safe. And since the cops already knew who they were looking for, there was absolutely NO need or justification for searching the people dragged out of their houses.

If they had their bongs on the table or bootleg DVDS in plain sight, no one was arrested for it, as far as I know….and if they WERE, I’d be the first to donate some cash to a legal defense fund for them. The focus was to get Tsarnaev and any accomplices, period. PLUS, no other innocent people got hurt, and THAT to me is good enough at the end of the day.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM

If you removed the warrantless searches of people and their houses from the sequence of events – NOTHING changes. That set of unonstitutional activities had zero impact on what happened – nobody else got hurt anyway – with or without that stuff happening.
So I don’t see it the same way you do. It’s good that nobody else got hurt, but it’s absolutely NOT good that peoples’ rights were needlessly violated in the process.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Interesting relevant post from the Dingy Harry terrorist thread:

The test for whether one is living in a police state is that those who are charged with enforcing the law are allowed to break the laws with impunity.

Jon Roland founder of the Constitution Society

PatriotRider on April 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Not long afterward, Murphy was aghast to discover that Rolling Stone had put Tsarnaev on their cover, in a soft-focus and blow-dried image, a treatment that the magazine usually reserves for teeny-bopper idols. Murphy decided to release the photos of the captured Tsarnaev that he had taken to show people a clearer version of what the terrorist actually is — and it cost him his job. As Murphy told CBS This Morning, though, he has no regrets:

Good to see that there are still some men in America with backbone and principles.

Too bad they’re not the ones with authority.

I have seen slaves on horses, and princes walking on foot like slaves.
Eccl. 10:7

Cleombrotus on April 18, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Plus as an aside, lets say they didn’t do the search for him THEN. They waited for the multiple warrants, etc etc. If the aforementioned POS got away to conduct another attack, or worse would you be okay with that too?

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

IIRC, the boat owner detected movement in the boat after the LEOs had searched his property and moved on.

butch on April 18, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Yes, of course. Absolutely. 100%. I happily sacrifice security in order to preserve constitutional rights. Why don’t you?

blink on April 18, 2014 at 12:44 PM

No, but i won’t overcompensate in the other direction either. Is there a balance?

As a digest to you post, have any of the homeowners from the incident filed a lawsuit, indiviual or class-action in response?

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Again, as I stated before, especially during the other incidents I mentioned, while I consider those a better example of denial of Liberty, but as stated before, IMO, it isn’t the “Call To Arms” that i’m willing to clamor to.

Bundy vs. BLM? I find case wise way more of a dire threat: especially since at best they have a quasi-Law Enforcement function.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Rolling Stone had put Tsarnaev on their cover, in a soft-focus and blow-dried image, a treatment that the magazine usually reserves for teeny-bopper idols

It was worth it.

bidenmytime on April 18, 2014 at 1:22 PM

IIRC, the boat owner detected movement in the boat after the LEOs had searched his property and moved on.

butch on April 18, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Then they should have rolled in the portable flamethrower and spit-roasted the SOB when they had the chance…alas. So now, it’s another 3 years (minimum) listening to this jackwagon defend his actions.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Then they should have rolled in the portable flamethrower and spit-roasted the SOB when they had the chance…alas. So now, it’s another 3 years (minimum) listening to this jackwagon defend his actions.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM

My point was in response to your concern that waiting for multiple warrants might have allowed him to escape. The cops missed him.

butch on April 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM

The worse outcome from what happened in Boston was that within the area that Tsarnaev was in, people were evacuated from the house (and harm’s way, btw), and searched.

Lets describe the events using the facts:

The worse outcome from what happened in Boston was that within the area that Tsarnaev was in, people were evacuated removed at gun point with hands on their heads, from the house that the authorities had told them to remain inside of, (and harm’s way, btw), and searched.

Tell me, if anyone can, why a 65 year old white grandmother was forced to walk through a gauntlet of armed officers with her hands in the air to be searched, again, at gunpoint?

At what point does the description of the suspect (at that time, they knew his name, had his picture, knew what he was wearing, etc..) have any value in the proceedings of that day? Apparently….never. Unless the authorities were concerned that lil Tsar had lodged himself between grams’ boobs and was holding her hostage somehow.

The activities of law enforcement that day were, and still are, disgraceful. What rights did any citizen have that day? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

BobMbx on April 18, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Standing strong in favor of constitutional rights is NOT overcompensating. Law enforcement needs to view constitutional rights as an absolute constraint in carrying out their duty. If that means they are less effective, then so be it. We should all fear the expanding power of the government much more than any terrorist.
blink on April 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Exactly.

As I indicated earlier, I’d be ready for the terrorist to try to get into my house – and I’d be happy to shoot him and call the cops to come get the body.
However, if the police attempt to break into my house – I get killed or ruined and thrown in prison for shooting back.

If the police abide by the rule of law, I don’t have to second guess the consequences of shooting an intruder in my house.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Then they should have rolled in the portable flamethrower and spit-roasted the SOB when they had the chance…alas. So now, it’s another 3 years (minimum) listening to this jackwagon defend his actions.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Fact check: Nearly 1000 rounds were expended by law enforcement directed one or the other of the Tsars. They managed to bag one of them. I have no confidence in the outcome of a flame thrower, except to have burned the entire neighborhood to the ground.

“Good work coporal…now we’re positive he ain’t in any of those houses”

BobMbx on April 18, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Standing strong in favor of constitutional rights is NOT overcompensating. Law enforcement needs to view constitutional rights as an absolute constraint in carrying out their duty. If that means they are less effective, then so be it. We should all fear the expanding power of the government much more than any terrorist.

Disagree. Death by government OR terrorist is pretty much a no-go for me, but i do understand what you mean.

have any of the homeowners from the incident filed a lawsuit, indiviual or class-action in response?

I hope so.

blink on April 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Well, you might get your wish. If no suit is filed, then maybe the homeowners felt that the circumstances weren’t as dire as you might fear.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Fact check: Nearly 1000 rounds were expended by law enforcement directed one or the other of the Tsars. They managed to bag one of them. I have no confidence in the outcome of a flame thrower, except to have burned the entire neighborhood to the ground.

“Good work coporal…now we’re positive he ain’t in any of those houses”

BobMbx on April 18, 2014 at 1:50 PM

I got that…the flamethrower bit was just wishful thinking on my part. :o)

There have been case examples of multiple rounds being expended during high profile cases like this; and yes, a lot of those rounds weren’t always on target.

That’s a training issue, and a bad one at that. If they dropped 10,000 rounds on this guys head I wouldn’t shed a damn tear over him. OTOH as you stated, 1000 were cooked off, but no innocent persons were caught in the crossfire. I

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Dent and Blink, something that you are assuming that was not operative in Boston: the people (as communities) as sovereign actors.

I understand BlaxPac’s POV – if you assume that the people are nothing but sheep to be herded and protected by the big sheepdog, then you tell them all to stay inside and search house-by-house while treating them all as potential criminals.

If, on the other hand, you assume a situation where the people *are* the local force, and act as sovereigns, then you get posses forming and local neighborhood patrols forming, and the police become a coordinating agency and a quick response force. This is hinted at in your response, Dent – you say “I can defend myself and call you to come take out the trash if he comes by here.” Now, imagine if all those HOAs had emergency response forces (OK, that’s a scary thought, given how fascist some HOAs are) -AKA militias – and they all responded by immediately searching and securing their neighborhoods, with the cooperation of their neighbors (because they actually know these people and trust their responses – “No, Jim was *not* blinking tapcode, he’s just like that when he’s out in the sunlight”). How much more quickly would this have been over? And noone’s rights would have been violated.

I think THIS is the balance between the two sides. Unfortunately, somewhere like Mass. this is not likely to happen this side of The Collapse.

GWB on April 18, 2014 at 2:29 PM

but no innocent persons were caught in the crossfire. I

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Except for other cops. Several were wounded in the night-time shootout, which is where most of ammo was expended.

BobMbx on April 18, 2014 at 2:35 PM

GWB on April 18, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Yup – all good points – and right in line with what I’ve been saying.

RE your part about the HOAs – I’d be good with an armed Neighborhood Watch (perhaps like The Watch ;)) run by the residents, but ya I’d be a bit concerned about an HOA run militia. The area I’m in has an HOA with extremely detailed and strict covenants. The first few years we were here, they were known by many as “The Yard Nazis”. Some landscapers refused to work in our area because of the HOA. Picture “the mud monster” from The X Files (if you ever watched that show) – we sure did when we bought the house.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 2:44 PM

What’s more disturbing than the release of any photo is the jack boot tactics the Massachusetts police pulled that day; shutting down a whole town with martial law and searching houses indiscriminately. And people let them.

bossmanham on April 18, 2014 at 2:52 PM

What’s more disturbing than the release of any photo is the jack boot tactics the Massachusetts police pulled that day; shutting down a whole town with martial law and searching houses indiscriminately. And people let them.

bossmanham on April 18, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Exactly.
Good article on that point up in the Headlines section right here on HA:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376053/united-states-swat-john-fund

One good quote from it:

The number of raids conducted by local police SWAT teams has gone from 3,000 a year in the 1980s to over 50,000 a year today.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Well, you might get your wish. If no suit is filed, then maybe the homeowners felt that the circumstances weren’t as dire as you might fear.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Don’t forget what neighborhood this was. I bet nearly every person there is thankful for all the progress that’s been made in the country in the last 5 years.

So, ordering them to lick your government boot is just dandy.

“Can I get the other one for ya as long as I’m down here?”

BobMbx on April 18, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Isn’t it interesting that the marxist/progressive media has totally downplayed the shooting of people int he Kansas City Jewish center. Do you possibly think it is because the shooter was a Dhimocrat KKK guy, or was it because he used a shotgun (biden’s weapon of choice) rather than an “assault” rifle? In fact Every single mass shooter in the last 10 years has been a librul dhimocrapt. Mirable dictu, not a teapartier in the bunch.

Old Country Boy on April 18, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Yes, but I don’t understand the POV that assumes Americans are sheep. That’s not how this country was raised and it’s not how true Patriots should view things.

blink on April 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Agree – except many parts of this country HAVE in fact proven themselves to be nothing but sheep willing to live on the gubmint farm – under the supervision and direction of the “more equal pigs”.

Face it – the entire Boston area, if not all of Taxachusetts, has proven to be solid Dem voting sheeple country.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 3:05 PM

blink on April 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Oh, I understand it, blink. Much like I understand that some people think they should be allowed to claim that they are a poached egg.

GWB on April 18, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Don’t forget what neighborhood this was. I bet nearly every person there is thankful for all the progress that’s been made in the country in the last 5 years.

So, ordering them to lick your government boot is just dandy.

“Can I get the other one for ya as long as I’m down here?”

BobMbx on April 18, 2014 at 2:58 PM

My friend, I LIVE in Massachusetts (going on almost 9 years now)…as a NRA card carrying Black Conservative at that…There is NO way I’m gonna forget. :o)

Watertown isn’t exactly like some other areas I could name, but it’s hardly Texas either. So bootlicking is a best a wee bit extreme to declare.

As i stated before, if the homeowners there really were that hepped up over the incident, no one including ACLU critters have stepped up to file a claim…maybe they will. Then again, maybe not.

I can gladly give searches for other more horrendous instances of overreach by police, as I named two previously (Waco & Ruby Ridge)…there no doubt about it. But this?

We got this guy off the streets…no more people got hurt needlessly by THEIR actions. That’s enough for me…there will be plenty of other times when we can call to arms over Big Government (again, Bundy vs BLM) but I just don’t see this as one of them. Again just my two nickles.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Yes, but I don’t understand the POV that assumes Americans are sheep. That’s not how this country was raised and it’s not how true Patriots should view things.

blink on April 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Again, cooperation in the face of a BIGGER immediate threat shouldn’t label those folks as “sheep”. Liberal township or not, Tsarnaev and company were the bigger concern that night.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 3:24 PM

We got this guy off the streets…no more people got hurt needlessly by THEIR actions. That’s enough for me…there will be plenty of other times when we can call to arms over Big Government (again, Bundy vs BLM) but I just don’t see this as one of them. Again just my two nickles.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 3:17 PM

But the unconstitutional searches did not contribute to capturing DJoker – not one bit. So I DO have a problem with it, precisely because if there is no backlash against what the cops did, this case will be used as a basis for further errosion of our constitutional rights whenever the government decides they “need” to – and they are deciding they need to go full militarized SWAT far too often.

As I posted above, the article about the militarization of police up in the headlines section is very applicable.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376053/united-states-swat-john-fund

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 3:26 PM

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 3:17 PM

BTW – much of my family is originally from Massachusetts, many generations back, and many still there – and I lived there for about 6 years as a kid (learned how to ski on Mt Wachusett). I had an aunt on my Mom’s side who was heavily involved in the Dem party, and personally knew much of the Kennedy clan; and I had an uncle on my Dad’s side who was a career Walpole State Prison guard – for just a couple examples.
So even though I’ve been in Colorado for over 30 years, I’m very familiar with Massachusetts.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Again, cooperation in the face of a BIGGER immediate threat shouldn’t label those folks as “sheep”. Liberal township or not, Tsarnaev and company were the bigger concern that night.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 3:24 PM

But it wasn’t really a bigger threat. They already knew they were looking for one guy on the loose (speedbump was dead) – and the home searches were actually the next day after the shootout in the street where speedbump got it. And they had already ended the searches, with no success, by the time the resident found Djoker in his boat – and it wasn’t until later THAT night that they finally got him out of the boat.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 3:37 PM

BTW – much of my family is originally from Massachusetts, many generations back, and many still there – and I lived there for about 6 years as a kid (learned how to ski on Mt Wachusett). I had an aunt on my Mom’s side who was heavily involved in the Dem party, and personally knew much of the Kennedy clan; and I had an uncle on my Dad’s side who was a career Walpole State Prison guard – for just a couple examples.
So even though I’ve been in Colorado for over 30 years, I’m very familiar with Massachusetts.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 3:33 PM

You’re lucky t o get away; I got another 5 years or less before I can get out from here…Good news is, as bad as Mass Taxes are, its actually cheaper to be here than in New York.

Bad news is, its STILL Mass. But the food is good and going to the shore is as close a vacation a person can afford to have. Plus I get to wear my “Viva Reagan Revolution!” T-shirt to piss off large amounts of of the patchouli and Birkenstock crowds.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 4:02 PM

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Well, it’s definitely not as bad as NY.
Having grown up in MA and Maine, I do miss the seafood and the beaches. Always loved going to the Aquarium, Museum of Science, USS Constitution, Lexington and Concord – heck of a lot of history out there – and I stayed a Patriots fan for a long time, until a couple years ago, despite being in Broncos country.
And I’m still willing to send money to MA and Maine for Smith&Wesson and other related products made in those states.
I won’t buy any guns from NY companies.

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 4:15 PM

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Ever heard of The Old Mill restaurant in Westminster, out by Fitchburg? If you haven’t been out that way yet, you should try it sometime. Nice place. My Mom was born and raised about 200 yards up the street from there, and that’s where we lived for 4 years. My cousins and I used to fish in the duck pond and fish change out of the river under their wooden foot bridges….

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 4:22 PM

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Ever heard of The Old Mill restaurant in Westminster, out by Fitchburg? If you haven’t been out that way yet, you should try it sometime. Nice place. My Mom was born and raised about 200 yards up the street from there, and that’s where we lived for 4 years. My cousins and I used to fish in the duck pond and fish change out of the river under their wooden foot bridges….

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 4:22 PM

http://www.1761oldmill.com/

dentarthurdent on April 18, 2014 at 4:25 PM

In fact Every single mass shooter in the last 10 years has been a librul dhimocrapt. Mirable dictu, not a teapartier in the bunch.

Old Country Boy on April 18, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Not sure about that. Besides the KKKer in the antisemite shootings, I see the KC cops also just arrested the sniper guy who has been shooting at cars. Guess his complexion and religion. Hint: First name is Mohammad. Probably just workplace violence.

butch on April 18, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Rolling Stone is not neutral, it’s on the other side.

rbj on April 18, 2014 at 11:07 AM

….They are Now – and have EVER BEENCheering For The Terrorists“!

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 6:04 PM

I’ve lived in the Boston area all my life. My parenets emigrated from Ireland in the late 40s and early 50s and hit Boston. The lockdown/”shelter in place” of eastern MA was a humiliation and pathetic to behold. A guy out for a smoke discovered FlashBang in his boat. If the neighborhood had been alerted without a lockdown the event would have ended in a few hours. The whole “Boston Strong” bluster is pure empty posturing. There is nothing strong about passivity and shielding your eyes from Islamic jihad.

vilebody on April 18, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Muslims will always act this way in any country they are in. If it weren’t Islam it would be some other murder/rape cult, so the world will always have this, it’s a battlefield not a playground.

Mojave Mark on April 18, 2014 at 7:34 PM

The cleansing of Joker has already started. He’s being portrayed as the kid brother who looked up to the older bro and wanted to follow his every move and belief. He had no independent thoughts other than that.

Kissmygrits on April 18, 2014 at 10:28 PM

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