U.S. to announce ground troops to Poland, says… Polish defense minister

posted at 7:05 pm on April 18, 2014 by Mary Katharine Ham

Leading from behind on its own troop movements, now, the Polish prime minister seemed to get ahead of the Obama administration on news of U.S. troop deployments to Poland as a response to Putin’s aggression in Ukraine. Polish Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak told the Washington Post after a meeting with Sec. Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon:

Poland and the United States will announce next week the deployment of U.S. ground forces to Poland as part of an expansion of NATO presence in Central and Eastern Europe in response to events in Ukraine. That was the word from Poland’s defense minister, Tomasz Siemoniak, who visited The Post Friday after meeting with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at the Pentagon on Thursday.

Siemoniak said the decision has been made on a political level and that military planners are working out details. There will also be intensified cooperation in air defense, special forces, cyberdefense and other areas. Poland will play a leading regional role, “under U.S. patronage,” he said.

But the defense minister also said that any immediate NATO response to Russian aggression in Ukraine, while important, matter less than a long-term shift in the defense postures of Europe and America. The United States, having announced a “pivot” to Asia, needs to “re-pivot” to Europe, he said, and European countries that have cut back on defense spending need to reverse the trends.

He seemed to go farther than Hagel went earlier today:

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Thursday the door is open to larger U.S. military rotations through Poland, including ground troops, as the international standoff persists over Russian incursions into Ukraine.

Hagel briefed reporters at the Pentagon after a meeting with Polish Defense Minister Tomasz Siemoniak, who came to Washington in search of more American soldiers, warplanes and support troops to help bolster security in a country nervously eyeing Russia’s expansionist behavior.

That seems odd, right? Either way, glad to see some seriousness about the situation and solidarity with Poland.

“We have to be alert to all possibilities,” he said. “The actions of the Russians over the last two months are not only irresponsible, with violating the territorial integrity of a sovereign nation, they’re dangerously irresponsible … [NATO’s role is to] think through, what are the possibilities, what could happen, so yes, based on past actions, we have to look at every possibility.”

Hagel said the U.S. has protested an encounter last weekend in which a Russian Su-24 Fencer attack jet buzzed the destroyer USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea. Previously, defense officials had said they’d had no contact with the Russians about it, but Hagel said commanders have made their displeasure quite clear.

“We didn’t tell ‘em we were happy,” he said.

Hey, maybe we should have stuck with missile defense in Eastern Europe when Obama came into office. Rep. Gov. Mike Pence suggested in a speech Thursday we should ramp back up:

“And, with continued instability in the Middle East, Iran’s ongoing effort to develop long-range missiles and nuclear technology, and Putin’s annexation of Crimea and aggression in Ukraine, I believe we must take immediate steps to deploy a robust missile defense in Europe – especially Poland and the Czech Republic – to protect the interests of our NATO allies and the United States in the region.”


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rogerb on April 18, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Be careful about that Obama. He’s tricksy.

He’d sooner betray our troops than the Poles.

Also see: Israel

viking01 on April 18, 2014 at 7:14 PM

I will believe it when I see it.

Mark1971 on April 18, 2014 at 7:18 PM

didn’t we already have some nato exercises scheduled there before this even happened?
wondering if thats what this is vs an actual defensive deployment.

dmacleo on April 18, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Obama’s next offering will be that eastern Europe return to its pre-’67 boundaries.

BKeyser on April 18, 2014 at 7:20 PM

I wonder if they would be doing this if it wasn’t an election year.

crankyoldlady on April 18, 2014 at 7:20 PM

I simply never realized just how cool WWIII could be until Barack started it!

Mahdi on April 18, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Quite the deescalation we have here. These NeoLibs are determined to get us in another war. It’s all they’ve got left. The blame everybody else game is growing old, the race card has a dog eared corner it’s been played so much, scandals won’t go away as easily now, Republicans might actually take the Senate and no one believes a word spoken by anyone in DC. War baby yea! Here we go. It’s all they have left; or did I already say that?

VladimirSoetero on April 18, 2014 at 7:23 PM

That seems odd, right?

Not anymore. He was no doubt told that in private but knows the Obama Administration is all lies all the time, so he went public to put on some pressure for them to follow through on their hot gas.

forest on April 18, 2014 at 7:24 PM

The President has been slow, but at least he’s sending troops to Poland.
Sending Hagel to talk tough to the Chinese was a good, but kinda late, move as well.

About 99% of what this administration does is absolute folly, but when they take steps in the right direction, we ought to give credit where it’s due.

Let’s hope that Mr Obama’s upcoming visit to (my new home of) the Philippines won’t be to push the homosexual agenda & abortion rights on this country (again), but rather to lecture the Chinese some more.

itsnotaboutme on April 18, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Is it just me, or does Hagel make you cringe whenever he talks because it seems everything he says appears so tentative. He gives me no confidence whatsoever in the Dept. Of Defense. But I’m sure the Ruskies and Chinese think he’s scary…

goldenrulebelvr on April 18, 2014 at 7:39 PM

But the defense minister also said that any immediate NATO response to Russian aggression in Ukraine, while important, matter less than a long-term shift in the defense postures of Europe and America. The United States, having announced a “pivot” to Asia, needs to “re-pivot” to Europe, he said, and European countries that have cut back on defense spending need to reverse the trends.

Or maybe get of the nation building business in the Islamic world. If we are going to keep sufficient military forces in Europe to contain Russia and Asia to contain China, without totally bankrupting the country we are going to have stop trying to police the Islamic world.

If Jihadist attack us, you find a suitable Muslim country and level it from the air. That is a realist hawkish foreign policy…like Reagan had, not what Bush had.

William Eaton on April 18, 2014 at 7:40 PM

The United States, having announced a “pivot” to Asia, needs to “re-pivot” to Europe,

So, the recently cancelled policy of maintaining a two theater combat capability has come back to bite Obama in the ass.

This is nothing a quick apology tour can’t fix.

BobMbx on April 18, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Poland, NATO member, on the “new eastern frontier” of NATO, moving our guys out of the old front line in western Germany makes sense.

Shocking that someone in the Zero regime has some sense. If it happens.

Good move on this guy’s part to make the promise public – maybe now it’ll happen.

And to HA, nice riff on yesterday’s Pence article with the Pence Speech Link /s

Who is John Galt on April 18, 2014 at 7:41 PM

About 99% of what this administration does is absolute folly, but when they take steps in the right direction, we ought to give credit where it’s due.

No, you should immediately be suspicious.

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Pence in Berlin making speeches….think he’s running?

Who is John Galt on April 18, 2014 at 7:43 PM

Uh, MKH:

Obama came into office. Rep. Mike Pence suggested in a speech Thursday we should ramp back up:

Isn’t he Governor now?

Who is John Galt on April 18, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Pence in Berlin making speeches….think he’s running?

Who is John Galt on April 18, 2014 at 7:43 PM

I would be happy to see him run.

esr1951 on April 18, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Isn’t he Governor now?

Who is John Galt on April 18, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Yes, he is the current governor.

He used to frequently make the talk show circuit before 2010 when he was part of the House leadership.
I would listen to him on the Don Wade show on WLS. Pence is very articulate and knowledgable.

Since 2010 he has kept a lower profile nationally. It is time for him to start coming out again.

esr1951 on April 18, 2014 at 7:49 PM

We need to get out of Afghanistan, because we are more of a strategic benefit to the Russians there than we are for ourselves.

William Eaton on April 18, 2014 at 7:50 PM

About 99% of what this administration does is absolute folly, but when they take steps in the right direction, we ought to give credit where it’s due.

itsnotaboutme on April 18, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Hussein only does things that benefit him and harm America.

burrata on April 18, 2014 at 7:52 PM

About 99% of what this administration does is absolute folly, but when they take steps in the right direction, we ought to give credit where it’s due.
 
itsnotaboutme on April 18, 2014 at 7:30 PM

 
While simultaneously making sure we know where his other hand is.

rogerb on April 18, 2014 at 7:52 PM

History:

How much military force does a global superpower require? Answering this question has challenged U.S. leaders and defense planners for more than 20 years. With the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War, the United States found itself the world’s sole superpower, but one without a significant adversary against which to measure the adequacy of its military capabilities. In the immediate aftermath of the first Gulf War, U.S. leaders decided to use the requirement to conduct two major regional conventional contingencies (MRCs) at the same time as the basis for sizing the U.S. military. Every subsequent review of U.S. defense policy and programs has reaffirmed the two-war standard. In fact, every Administration for the past two decades found that a force sized to fight two wars was essential for meeting the ongoing demands for forward presence, crisis response, regional deterrence, humanitarian assistance, building partnership capacity, homeland defense, and support to civil authorities.

What it takes:

Based on some 20 years of analyses and studies as well as the experiences of Desert Storm, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Operation Enduring Freedom, a two-MRC force should generally consist of 10 Active and eight Reserve Component Army divisions, two to three Marine Expeditionary Forces, 11 aircraft carriers, 120 large surface naval combatants, 38 large amphibious warfare ships, 200 strategic bombers, 20 tactical fighter wings, 400–500 tankers, and 250 airlifters. Such a force would need support from a wide range of enabling capabilities, such as special operations forces; intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance systems; cyber defenses; air and missile defenses; and space systems.

The Obama Effect:

Today’s military is too small to meet the two-MRC test credibly. Moreover, the qualitative advantage that the U.S. military has long enjoyed is eroding as advanced military capabilities proliferate around the world. The capabilities of U.S. forces are also deteriorating as platforms and systems age and as critical modernization programs are delayed or even cancelled.

The fantastical truth:

Building a two-MRC force for the 21st century means increasing the size of the U.S. military, modernizing existing platforms and systems, and investing in advanced air, sea, and land capabilities. This will require resources above the levels proposed by the Obama Administration. Over the next decade, building a reasonable two-MRC force for the 21st century will cost roughly $70 billion more per year than the projected cost of the current defense program, which averages approximately $550 billion per year.

Hat tip and full credit to Heritage.org

BobMbx on April 18, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Uh, MKH:

Obama came into office. Rep. Mike Pence suggested in a speech Thursday we should ramp back up:

Isn’t he Governor now?

YES! Will change. When I started following him, he was a Congressman, so I always revert to that.

Mary Katharine Ham on April 18, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Der ganze Ukraine ist nicht die gesunden Knochen eines einzigen pommerschen Grenadiers wert.

antisense on April 18, 2014 at 7:53 PM

I would love for Pence to run, but seeing HA push him makes me fear he will be judged guilty by association ( you know with the squishy HA editors and what not)

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 7:54 PM

What, me worry?

Philly on April 18, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Obama to Europe:

‘Well, the big difference here and in ’41 was you’ve got me.’

BobMbx on April 18, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Building a two-MRC force for the 21st century means increasing the size of the U.S. military, modernizing existing platforms and systems, and investing in advanced air, sea, and land capabilities. This will require resources above the levels proposed by the Obama Administration. Over the next decade, building a reasonable two-MRC force for the 21st century will cost roughly $70 billion more per year than the projected cost of the current defense program, which averages approximately $550 billion per year.

Let us just admit that we have a potemkin economy, and in as much as it is, it cannot even maintain itself without the periodic destruction of competitor economies.

Question is, will there be any employment left other than government troops with subsidized housing, subsidized food, subsidized marriage pay, and locality pay?

antisense on April 18, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Sheer folly. Why do they want an unnecessary war so badly?

Another Libertarian on April 18, 2014 at 8:00 PM

I would love for Pence to run, but seeing HA push him makes me fear he will be judged guilty by association ( you know with the squishy HA editors and what not)

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 7:54 PM

There are so many things wrong with what this suggests about your decision-making process. If you like the guy and think he comports with your principles, back him. If other people you think are squishes also back him (and I’m not backing anyone, for the record, but have written nice things about Pence since he was bucking the Bush big-gov’t programs in 2005), maybe they’re not quite the squishes you thing they are. Good Lord.

Mary Katharine Ham on April 18, 2014 at 8:01 PM

So will McCain be leading them? His friend Kerry? Both?

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:02 PM

I certainly hope that the troop contingent will have the proper percentage of LGBT and muslims.

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Sheer folly. Why do they want an unnecessary war so badly?

Yeah we should totes do nothing in regards to Fascists registering Jews in Eastern Ukraine.

You libertarians hate the US so much that you accuse us of “imperialism” while bending yourselves into pretzels justifying Putin’s blatant Empire building in Ukraine.

If you accused us of “going to Iraq for Oil” then you should equally be upset that Putin is going to Ukraine “for Oil!!”

Put up or Shut up.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 8:04 PM

This rer says 130 troops. Snort!!

dddave on April 18, 2014 at 8:02 PM

That’s only half as many as the number of BLM SS, Obama and Reid sent after Bundy and his scary cows.

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Yes, we should do nothing when we aren’t being attacked.

Another Libertarian on April 18, 2014 at 8:06 PM

This rer says 130 troops. Snort!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/18/pentagon-mulls-sending-ground-troops-to-poland-amid-ukraine-crisis/

dddave on April 18, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Hey, thats more than two busloads full! /

sharrukin on April 18, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Are there desert turtles in Poland?

TarheelBen on April 18, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Sheer folly. Why do they want an unnecessary war so badly?

Another Libertarian on April 18, 2014 at 8:00 PM

They view American Soldiers and Marines as the Aztec Priests viewed their human sacrifices.

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:08 PM

MKH-
I don’t abandon candidates based on which squish ( or non-squish) endorses them or not, BUT other people do.

And I’m glad you like Pence.

If Mitt Romney were to declare that he LOVED Pence, some people would say that Pence were just like Mitt Romney without looking deeper into his record.

That’s my point. You can back whoever you want, and I might look into their record to see if I’d support them as well, but others might not be as charitable.

I apologize if my comment seemed flippant, it was a bit off the cuff.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Isn’t he Governor now?

Who is John Galt on April 18, 2014 at 7:45 PM

YES! Will change. When I started following him, he was a Congressman, so I always revert to that.

Mary Katharine Ham on April 18, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Darlin’ I said it first. Love ya on FOX, give me a shout out here!

:)

Who is John Galt on April 18, 2014 at 8:09 PM

So will McCain be leading them? His friend Kerry? Both?

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:02 PM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xf69EEL3WBk

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Poland and European countries need to pay for US troops in Eastern Europe as well as in Western Europe. Little known to most Americans is that the US pays each Western European country it has troops in many billions each year for the privilege of defending Europeans.

Time for a change…

Redford on April 18, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Good Lord.

Mary Katharine Ham on April 18, 2014 at 8:01 PM

The Good Lord has too much class to get involved in any of this.

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Yes, we should do nothing when we aren’t being attacked.

Totes, Russia should make Eastern Europe their butt monkey, we won’t do ANYTHING* since its not us

*there are other options to doing nothing besides military, but that’s right your prophet declared sanctions to be “an act of war”
my bad.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Yeah we should totes do nothing in regards to Fascists registering Jews in Eastern Ukraine.

Yeah! Didn’t you see the totally made up documents from yesterday?

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Obama to send 130 troops while my occasionally reliable sources say Liechtenstein is sending 260.

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Poland and European countries need to pay for US troops in Eastern Europe as well as in Western Europe. Little known to most Americans is that the US pays each Western European country it has troops in many billions each year for the privilege of defending Europeans

We have a treaty , with Poland and others. If you want to change it, change the treaty ( might be difficult since Germany and co. aren’t inclined to renegotiate the treaty)

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Will our guys be armed and their arms untied ?

burrata on April 18, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Yeah we should totes do nothing in regards to Fascists registering Jews in Eastern Ukraine.

Yeah! Didn’t you see the totally made up documents from yesterday?

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Dan Rather “Fake but accurate”?

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Will our guys be armed and their arms untied ?

burrata on April 18, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Of the 130, 120 will be Army lawyers to make sure the other 10 don’t say anything Homophobic or Islamophobic.

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Yeah, of course libertarians would declare the documents made up.

What really happened was this
1) Fascists take over Eastern Ukraine
2) Overzealous members start immediately demanding Jews register or face deportation, confiscation of wealth, loss of citizenship, etc.
3) Western Media begins reporting these disturbing events.
4) Word gets to the Fascist leaders who realize how bad that makes them look ( don’t think for a second they wouldn’t register Jews if they could get away with it)
5) Leaders issue denials.

I should note that at least one of the statements did not deny responsibility for the flyers, they only refused to “endorse the contents”
In other words Fascists got caught being Fascists and quickly apologized. And of course denied being fascists.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Dan Rather “Fake but accurate”?

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Tonight we’re gonna party
Like it’s 1939….

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Isn’t 130 about the same size as Michelle Obama’s personal staff?

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Not surprised

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 8:25 PM

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM

I can just about double damn guarantee you that in at lest half the mosques right here in America, and there are about twice as many now as on 9/11/2001, they have called for a lot more than ‘just’ registering Jews. Lets invade a few of them first and they are a lot closer and less well armed than the Russians.

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:25 PM

4) Word gets to the Fascist leaders who realize how bad that makes them look

Yeah, I’m sure before that they were like, “What, there’s a problem?”

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 8:26 PM

That’s only half as many as the number of BLM SS, Obama and Reid sent after Bundy and his scary cows.

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Time for some fieldwork involving these party boys in Bavaria

Who is John Galt on April 18, 2014 at 8:26 PM

“Optics, dude.”

“Seriously?”

“Now you’re gonna have to issue a denial.”

“@&$!”

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Yeah, of course libertarians would declare the documents made up.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Your definition of libertarian could use some work.

We are skeptical about the flier’s authenticityAnti-Defamation League

Flier calling on Donetsk Jews to register now widely seen as fakeHaaretz

“NCSJ has contacted the Donetsk Jewish community leaders, who called the flyers a provocation. They said that all authorities have denied any connection to the flyers, and that Pushilin has denied authorship,” the NCSJ says. “Several members of the community went to the Nationalities Commissioner, who repudiated the flyer, and said that the leaflets were distributed to cause unrest among the Jewish population.”

The group adds that similar leaflets have been distributed targeting international students at the local university.

National Conference on Soviet Jewry (NCSJ) is a leading US organization advocating on behalf of Jews in Russia, Ukraine, the Baltic States, and Eurasia.

The document was originally posted by Ukrainian website novosti.dn.ua

Funny how they got a hold of it?

sharrukin on April 18, 2014 at 8:29 PM

The 130 troops will be rotated so basically Hagel just negotiated sending tourists!

dddave on April 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM

It’s a well-known principle of propaganda that it doesn’t matter if the story is absurd, doesn’t matter if it’s almost instantly disproven — just that it gets out there.

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Hmm.

A peacekeeping mission to Poland? The place with beautiful women that cook awesome food, and serve it up with great beer … that Poland? The place with no sand, no haboobs, no oil fires, and no fly-borne flesh-eating disease … that Poland?

Well, if I gotta …

M240H on April 18, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel.

You think God isn’t about to rain down judgment on the USA?

Murphy9 on April 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

If you like your missile defense, you can keep your missile defense, period.

The Rogue Tomato on April 18, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Obama to send 130 troops while my occasionally reliable sources say Liechtenstein is sending 260.

VorDaj on April 18, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Isn’t that the whole population of Liechtenstein? Maybe they should leave a few people behind to hold the fort.

The Rogue Tomato on April 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM

…as a response to Putin’s aggression in Ukraine.

Just a reminder: what happened was a fascist coup, supported by America and the EU, that smashed the elected government of Ukraine and imposed rule by oligarchs more criminal and corrupt than those deposed, plus strong anti-Russian ethnic prejudice against Russian-speaking Eastern and Southern Ukrainians.

Before that, Putin was doing nothing. He was not the aggressor; the coup-plotters, including Victoria Nuland, were the aggressors.

David Blue on April 18, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Sheer folly. Why do they want an unnecessary war so badly?

Another Libertarian on April 18, 2014 at 8:00 PM

They want a rationale to keep up a big, expensive military force that never defends America from the real “immigration” invasion.

David Blue on April 18, 2014 at 9:02 PM

If the rat eared, dog eating mongrel would have honored our commitment to build the missile shield in Poland and had he not decimated our overall commitment to a strong military posture, he would not find himself in the position of being the laughingstock of the world and Putin’s beotch. Just sayin’…

bimmcorp on April 18, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Yeah we should totes do nothing in regards to Fascists registering Jews in Eastern Ukraine.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Israel doesn’t support America on this, rather it enjoys pleasant relations with Russia.

As should America.

David Blue on April 18, 2014 at 9:05 PM

About 99% of what this administration does is absolute folly, but when they take steps in the right direction, we ought to give credit where it’s due

…it makes me 99% more suspicious!

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Are there desert turtles in Poland?

TarheelBen on April 18, 2014 at 8:07 PM

… oh come on!….am I the only one that laughed ^ at that!

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Are there desert turtles in Poland?

TarheelBen on April 18, 2014 at 8:07 PM

… oh come on!….am I the only one that laughed ^ at that!

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Prime Minister Bundy of Poland says this isn’t about turtles, man…it’s not about cows, either…

bimmcorp on April 18, 2014 at 9:12 PM

I see the Blame America First crowd, having fully destroyed any patriotism in the Democrat party has moved on to the limping husk of the GOP.
God help us.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Let’s leave Putin alone. His illegal aliens invading Ukraine are doing jobs Ukrainians refuse to do–fight!

MaiDee on April 18, 2014 at 9:30 PM

I see the Blame America First crowd, having fully destroyed any patriotism in the Democrat party has moved on to the limping husk of the GOP.
God help us.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 9:14 PM

God is not about to help us, my friend. When Israel comes under attack, (and it WILL soon enough), America will abrogate our commitment to help them militarily, thus infuriating the Lord to the point that He will cease to Bless our once great nation with all we have been given by Him. Abandoning His chosen people will cause Him to abandon us, and the result will be the utter devastation of the United States of America. Call me crazy if you wish, but author John Price has written a very compelling book on the subject. I highly recommend that folks here read it. And read it again, for good measure. It is quite accurate from a Biblical and prophetic as well as historical perspective. Check it out, y’all:

http://endofamericabook.com/

Of course, you can feel free to ignore it all and call me a nut job. I’ve been called worse…

bimmcorp on April 18, 2014 at 9:35 PM

We need to get out of Afghanistan, because we are more of a strategic benefit to the Russians there than we are for ourselves.

William Eaton on April 18, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Assuming Abdullah abdullah won, we should ask him to bring in Indian support troops to free our exit to the European or Asian front. The Pakistanis who have been hosing us monetarily and militarily would go ape that their rear is no longer covered from invasion in a confrontation with India, but they have earned it.

KW64 on April 18, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Let’s leave Putin alone. His illegal aliens invading Ukraine are doing jobs Ukrainians refuse to do–fight!

MaiDee on April 18, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Those little green men are Martians. Didn’t you hear Putin deny there were any of his troops in Ukraine (outside of Crimea anyway).

KW64 on April 18, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Russia Invades Crimea: “Self-Determination!”

Russia Invades Ukraine proper: “Self-Determination!”

U.S. places troops in Poland at Poland’s request a NATO ally ( who supplied troops to Iraq): “Obama is trying to start WWIII!”

Ronulan logic.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Israel doesn’t support America on this, rather it enjoys pleasant relations with Russia.

As should America.

David Blue on April 18, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Putin is more reliable than Obama. He has been a loyal ally of Syria and Iran.

KW64 on April 18, 2014 at 9:46 PM

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 9:43 PM

If Obama hadn’t screwed Poland over the missile shield, we wouldn’t be in this spot we’re in now, anyway. And just watch…he’ll find a way to screw this mission up as well. The man is a spineless weasel and his Defense Secretary is a blithering, incompetent buffoon. This will not end well, and I think you know it as well…

bimmcorp on April 18, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Given how solid the word of this administration is, I wouldn’t count on those troops actually showing up. However, you might get a good deal on MREs.

justbob223 on April 18, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Before that, Putin was doing nothing. He was not the aggressor; the coup-plotters, including Victoria Nuland, were the aggressors.

David Blue on April 18, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Before that he was trying to recreate the Soviet Union via bribes. We will see if the military approach is cheaper.

KW64 on April 18, 2014 at 9:50 PM

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 9:43 PM

You forgot the overthrow of the Ukrainian government in the 2005 Orange Revolution, and then the second overthrow of the Ukrainian government by the Maidan thugs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution#Involvement_of_outside_forces

According to The Guardian, the foreign donours included the U.S. State Department and USAID along with the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the International Republican Institute, the NGO Freedom House and George Soros’s Open Society Institute.

And the same cast of characters in the recent regime change.

It was a western power play that seems to have gotten out of hand which anyone could have predicted.

They are trying the same thing in Syria currently, did that in Libya, Georgia, Egypt, etc.

sharrukin on April 18, 2014 at 10:01 PM

The Russian Spring.

Why aren’t we celebrating?

BobMbx on April 18, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Russia Invades Crimea: “Self-Determination!”

Russia Invades Ukraine proper: “Self-Determination!”

U.S. places troops in Poland at Poland’s request a NATO ally ( who supplied troops to Iraq): “Obama is trying to start WWIII!”

Ronulan logic.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Reminds me of a classic…

PaulNuts of Amerika,
Stand up if you can.
Scratch that left PaulNut
And hoist a doobie in your hand.

Steve Eggleston on April 18, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Steve Eggleston on April 18, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Seems like the ‘so-called’ Paulnuts are taking over the entire US.

http://reason.com/poll/2014/04/04/poll-58-percent-of-americans-want-the-u2

Americans tend to agree the US should not get involved. In fact, when asked what they’d like to do regarding Russia’s invasion of Ukraine…

58 percent would prefer the US stay out of it completely.

31 percent would prefer the US continue imposing economic sanctions

8 percent want the US to send troops.

sharrukin on April 18, 2014 at 10:40 PM

Blaming this on “Paulbots” is completely lame.

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Blaming this on “Paulbots” is completely lame.

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 10:47 PM

How about Russian mobsters?

Steve Eggleston on April 18, 2014 at 10:53 PM

How about Russian mobsters?

Steve Eggleston on April 18, 2014 at 10:53 PM

The KKK.

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 10:57 PM

sharrukin on April 18, 2014 at 10:40 PM

I wonder what they’ll say when Putin decides he wants Alaska and the Pacific Northwest back.

Before you dismiss the idea, Putin is already on record as saying he thinks Russia giving up Finland was a mistake he would like to “correct”.

Steve Eggleston on April 18, 2014 at 10:59 PM

How about Russian mobsters?

Steve Eggleston on April 18, 2014 at 10:53 PM

The unwillingness to believe the government on this, or their media lapdogs, is directly related to a loss of confidence in the government by the people.

They aren’t buying the BS anymore.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2014/37_of_voters_fear_the_federal_government

37%) of Likely U.S. Voters now fear the federal government, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

54% consider the federal government today a threat to individual liberty rather than a protector.

Just 22% see the government as a protector of individual rights,

67%) view the federal government today as a special interest group that looks out primarily for its own interests. Just 17% disagree

71%) of voters believe that if America’s Founding Fathers came back today, they would regard the federal government as too big.

Just 19% of voters believe the federal government today has the consent of the governed.

73%) of Republicans and 59% of unaffiliated voters view the government as a threat to individual liberty, a view shared by only 34% of Democrats

59%) of Republican voters think Republicans in Congress have lost touch with the party’s base throughout the nation

6%) of voters nationwide now rate Congress’ job performance as good or excellent. Seventy-two percent (72%) say it would be better for the country if most members of the current Congress were defeated this November.

sharrukin on April 18, 2014 at 11:00 PM

I wonder what they’ll say when Putin decides he wants Alaska and the Pacific Northwest back.

Steve Eggleston on April 18, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Red Dawn was a neat, though somewhat campy movie.

It wasn’t real life, and the Soviet Union is gone.

The Soviets (who are now gone) had a far larger military than Russia does, and even they were not going to pull off an Invasion America.

sharrukin on April 18, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Before you dismiss the idea, Putin is already on record as saying he thinks Russia giving up Finland was a mistake he would like to “correct”.

Steve Eggleston on April 18, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Oh, I thought you were joking. You’re serious.

vlad martel on April 18, 2014 at 11:08 PM

I wonder what they’ll say when Putin decides he wants Alaska and the Pacific Northwest back.

Steve Eggleston on April 18, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Red Dawn was a neat, though somewhat campy movie.

It wasn’t real life, and the Soviet Union is gone.

The Soviets (who are now gone) had a far larger military than Russia does, and even they were not going to pull off an Invasion America.

sharrukin on April 18, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Wolverines! :-D

Jennifer Rubin: Chickenhawks!

Punchenko on April 18, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Wolverines! :-D

Jennifer Rubin: Chickenhawks!

Punchenko on April 18, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Hey, if John McCain and company wants to reform the Screaming Commandos and take the Washington DC Rifle Battalion to war…then have at it. I am sure they would get a lot of donations as long as they promised to stay over there until the job was done!

sharrukin on April 18, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Any chance we could trade Hagel for the Polish defense minister?

trigon on April 19, 2014 at 12:05 AM

You libertarians hate the US so much that you accuse us of “imperialism” while bending yourselves into pretzels justifying Putin’s blatant Empire building in Ukraine.

MWC_RS on April 18, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Anger much, dude? Not all libertarians are the same. I, for one, believe in mitigating potential disaster by a clear demonstration of force. I would have preferred we armed and financially supported Ukranians to fight their own fight, but we absolutely MUST protect a NATO ally. I’ve been wanting us to move our bases in Germany to the eastern front of Poland for the last decade.

John the Libertarian on April 19, 2014 at 1:29 AM

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