Protip from Reid: Bundy supporters are “domestic terrorists,” y’know

posted at 9:01 am on April 18, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

On the 1-10 Harry Reid Scale of Demagoguery, this gets … a seven. Reid’s Kochsteria and his labeling of two men as “un-American” from the floor of the Senate for engaging in the political process in opposition to his own agenda has to get the ten. Abusing the term “terrorist” during a partisan political event has to get a little lower rating, but not by much:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) intensified his criticism of armed militia members supporting rancher Cliven Bundy, calling them “domestic terrorists.”

“They’re nothing more than domestic terrorists,” Reid said Thursday at an event hosted by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, according to the newspaper. “I repeat: what happened there was domestic terrorism.”

Reid specifically criticized Bundy supporters for bringing guns and their children to the ranch to defend him against the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). BLM officials and contractors started rounding up Bundy’s cattle last week because of his refusal to pay $1 million in grazing fees, but they backed down Saturday due to safety concerns.

It’s possible to have mixed feelings about what happened at the Bundy ranch without calling the support the ranchers received “domestic terrorism.” (John Hinderaker’s analysis lands pretty close to my own reaction.) Primarily, no act of violence took place, although some of the protesters were armed. In the end, this was a non-violent action, although still dangerous for those involved. The BLM stood down in part because of that danger, but also in part because their abuse of authority embarrassed them once it got as much attention as it did.

Why knock down three pegs on the scale? Well, consider it a technicality. The legal definition at the Department of Justice, at least since 1994, has been this:

The unlawful use of force or violence, committed by a group(s) of two or more individuals, against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

That’s why this only gets a seven. One could make the argument that the armed faction at the Bundy ranch was a show of force that coerced the BLM into retreat, and that would meet that definition … in a strictly literal sense. However, the common-sense definition of “domestic terrorism” involves an actual use of violence, and usually against civilian targets (although no one would doubt that the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 was an act of domestic terrorism). In this category, one would first think of the Animal Liberation Front, the SLA, the United Freedom Front, and so on — not an ad hoc demonstration of solidarity for a rancher involved in a legal standoff with the BLM.

So Reid has some claim here, but (a) it’s tenuous, (b) it’s unnecessarily inflammatory, and (c) it flies in the face of the common-sense definition of “domestic terrorism.” He’d have been better off stopping at “anarchists.”

Reid’s demagoguery is having an effect, by the way, but it’s probably not the one he wants. Republican Thom Tillis, in the running to challenge Kay Hagan for the US Senate seat for North Carolina in November, uses Reid’s dishonesty and “meddling” to make him an issue in the Tar Heel State:

“Seen those ads attacking Thom Tillis? They’re false. Tillis fired the staffers. Know who’s paying for the sleazy ads? It’s Harry Reid. Reid’s trying to fool Republican voters, meddling in our primary to get a weak opponent for Kay Hagan. The press says Democrats ‘fear Tillis the most.’ Tillis brought a conservative revolution to Raleigh. That’s why we need him in Washington. Don’t be fooled by Harry Reid. I’m Thom Tillis and I approved this message.”

Expect to see Reid brought up as a major issue against most of the vulnerable Senate Democrats, especially as he makes himself a larger and easier target.

Update: I misidentified the state Hagan represents; it has been corrected. Thanks to Curmudgeon in the comments.

Update: Jon Ralston notes that “words matter, especially in the hands of politicians.” Ralston is unhappy with the Bundy situation, but says that Reid is making the situation even worse with his demagoguery:


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And the Fort Hood shooting was just workplace violence..

Electrongod on April 18, 2014 at 9:08 AM

Bill Ayers: “Guilty as sin, free as a bird.”

Roy Rogers on April 18, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Primarily, no act of violence took place, although some of the protesters were armed.

No sh!t they were armed, Ed. The jackbooted thugs from BLM were armed, too.

I read they destroyed property by by tearing down a water tank and killed the bulls. Is this true? Is that violence? Is tasing someone violence? Is it true BLM tased one of the Bundys?

Dusty on April 18, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Ummm, Kay Hagan is a NORTH Carolina Senator, and it is the Tar Heel State.
Harry Reid is just a Heel.
By the definition posted aboove, it was the BLM who were the terrorists here. They were the onnes using violence to intimidate a civilian population in pursuit of a political agenda.

Curmudgeon on April 18, 2014 at 9:10 AM

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2014 at 9:04 AM

I hope you are still around….

Electrongod on April 18, 2014 at 9:11 AM

Is it true BLM tased one of the Bundys?

Dusty on April 18, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Yes..

But it was out of love….

/

Electrongod on April 18, 2014 at 9:12 AM

The unlawful use of force or violence, committed by a group(s) of two or more individuals, against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

So…the Occupy movement, Anonymous, and … the BLM.

18-1 on April 18, 2014 at 9:12 AM

Protip from Reid: Bundy supporters are “domestic terrorists,” y’know

Who was being terrorized the turtles and cattle? Seems to me the protesters have a better case of being terrorized what with the BLM Stasi showing up in full riot gear with snipers and attack dogs.

But of course, this is all nonsense. Harry Reid was a supporter of OWS as they took over public property in DC, set up their rape tents, and pooped on police cars. But when public property is involved that happens to be targeted by his Harry Reids creepy son for personal gain……. well that can’t stand.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 9:12 AM

A word of warning: Threats of violence will be deleted and commenters banned. No one has gotten the ban hammer yet, but this will be the only warning. Don’t even quote them.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Well if they do target for violence any federal agents, etc, they are indeed domestic terrorists with a political agenda.

Then again, so what? It is just a word.

antisense on April 18, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Put Harry the tenacious pugilist in a ring with our favorite judo black belt Hitler wannabe Putin. That’d be a pay-per-view event worth having, especially if the winner were treated like those in the ancient Mayan ballgames-they got the “honor” of being sacrificed to the gods.

dgolfnut on April 18, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Ummm, Kay Hagan is a NORTH Carolina Senator, and it is the Tar Heel State.

#headdesk #facepalm

Fixed, and thanks.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Understand…

Electrongod on April 18, 2014 at 9:14 AM

“Stoplight” Harry Reid is more than a domestic terrorist, he falls under the “Enemies…DOMESTIC” part of the Oath of Office and should be arrested on sight.

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 9:14 AM

I look forward to the coming fight. I’ve put up with 45 years of prog bullshite.

wolly4321 on April 18, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Must be nice to have the press follow you around and pump up every outrageous thing you say.

The Rogue Tomato on April 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM

Wouldn’t blm be considered a domestic terrorist? Snipers with guns trained on peaceful protesters police dogs being used to intimidate people back into a “free speach zone”…all to protect the property rights of some turtle

thunderhorse on April 18, 2014 at 9:16 AM

At the ballot box, of course.

wolly4321 on April 18, 2014 at 9:17 AM

So are you trying to be “fair” to this low life scum by over analyzing his asinine statement accusing regular citizens of being domestic terrorists?…

mnjg on April 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Ummm, Kay Hagan is a NORTH Carolina Senator, and it is the Tar Heel State.

Curmudgeon on April 18, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Hey, if I were living in North Carolina, I’d let stand the idea that Hagan is from the Palmetto State.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM

A word of warning: Threats of violence will be deleted and commenters banned. No one has gotten the ban hammer yet, but this will be the only warning. Don’t even quote them.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Isn’t a sitting United States Senator, with the weight of all federal agencies and the laws which expedite the handling of terrorists, labelling a citizens “domestic terrorists” a threat of violence?

M240H on April 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Primarily, no act of violence took place, although some of the protesters were armed.

The only acts of violence were carried out BY the BLM against the Bundy family.

However, one of the reasons why the BLM retreated was that the Bundy supporters there WERE armed and made it clear that they would respond in kind to any violence carried out by the government.

The BLM, being like any other militarized, shaven headed “elite special forces police” unit craps their panties at the thought of action when they don’t outnumber their target by at least 10-1 and carrying out a “blow down the door” at 3AM when they are asleep.

Which is why these thugs are not and never will be actual soldiers.

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 9:21 AM

sn’t a sitting United States Senator, with the weight of all federal agencies and the laws which expedite the handling of terrorists, labelling a citizens “domestic terrorists” a threat of violence?

M240H on April 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Reid’s First Amendment area is anywhere he squats…

The rest of us…….

/

Electrongod on April 18, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Isn’t a sitting United States Senator, with the weight of all federal agencies and the laws which expedite the handling of terrorists, labelling a citizens “domestic terrorists” a threat of violence?
M240H on April 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Ed doesn’t wield that big of a ban hammer.

Flange on April 18, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Isn’t a sitting United States Senator, with the weight of all federal agencies and the laws which expedite the handling of terrorists, labelling a citizens “domestic terrorists” a threat of violence?
M240H on April 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Ed doesn’t wield that big of a ban hammer.

Flange on April 18, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Hey, if Reid was a commenter on this thread, I’d be happy to ban him. Nevada voters have to take responsibility for Reid everywhere else.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:24 AM

The problem with the “domestic terrorist” smear is that it’s been thrown around so casually by the left when describing the Tea Party or anyone for that matter who leans right of Castro that it’s hard to take it seriously when Harry Reid uses that term in reference to the Bundy supporters.

Doughboy on April 18, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Harry seems to be getting more evil and deranged by the moment. I don’t wish anything bad would happen to him but I sure won’t miss him when he’s gone.

Ms. Anthrope on April 18, 2014 at 9:25 AM

Ummm, Kay Hagan is a NORTH Carolina Senator, and it is the Tar Heel State.

#headdesk #facepalm

Fixed, and thanks.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Don’t worry Ed. She won’t be for long.

:-)

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 9:26 AM

A word of warning: Threats of violence will be deleted and commenters banned.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:13 AM

I got a better idea. Why don’t you send them to the farm.

BigGator5 on April 18, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Hey, if Reid was a commenter on this thread, I’d be happy to ban him. Nevada voters have to take responsibility for Reid everywhere else.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Comment of the year

gwelf on April 18, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Hey, if Reid was a commenter on this thread, I’d be happy to ban him. Nevada voters have to take responsibility for Reid everywhere else.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:24 AM

In theory, we ALL have the authority to put him under arrest if we witness him committing a crime.

However, the United States is one of the few countries that makes slander/libel a CIVIL TORT instead of a crime. That said, isn’t calling people “domestic terrorists” itself terroristic threatening, which IS a crime?

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 9:28 AM

The Reids are on a campaign to antagonize and obfuscate. They need to misdirect or redirect because the truth is getting to close to the real story that entwines the Reids, money, the BLM and Gold Butte.

The Reids are misjudging the push back that is building amongst hardworking ranchers and those who respect a way of life that long predates this crooked politician and his lawyer offspring.

The Reids are writing checks with their mouths that even the casino in Searchlight won’t cash.

backlash on April 18, 2014 at 9:28 AM

Lets send in the SWAT teams to collect the over 1 billion in taxes owed by federal bureaucrats and famous Congresscritters. If any of them resist or complain we’ll call them “domestic terrorists”.

gwelf on April 18, 2014 at 9:28 AM

Reid has finally flipped his lid. He may never have been a decent man, but he didn’t used to be an unintelligent one. If the government is in conflict with the people, it is the government that are terrorists, not the people. That is axiomatically true. Reid is a wanna be tyrant, who doesn’t understand why it isn’t working. I would pity him, but I would also pity a rabid dog… Right before I blew its brains out without the slightest hesitation. Some things just plain need to be done. Nothing says we have to enjoy them.

Dirty Creature on April 18, 2014 at 9:29 AM

I got a better idea. Why don’t you send them to the farm.

BigGator5 on April 18, 2014 at 9:27 AM

….I’m from Detroit!

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2014 at 9:29 AM

Hey, if Reid was a commenter on this thread, I’d be happy to ban him. Nevada voters have to take responsibility for Reid everywhere else.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Have you tried banning him anyway? Maybe ban him in effigy?

Flange on April 18, 2014 at 9:30 AM

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 9:21 AM

I think the primary reason that the BLM Sturmabteilung backed down was because of public outrage if any human being were actually harmed over a turtle and grass. Face it, the BLM was disproprtionately heavy-handed what essentially is a decades long dispute over grazing rights.

The reaction to government thuggery would be tantamount to Kent State, Waco, or Ruby Ridge.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Maybe Reid considers them “domestic terrorists” because this whole incident has brought to light and threatens the corrupt crony relationship between his son, government and solar power developers.

gwelf on April 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM

I’m guessing that was strike two?

Koolaid, just kool it man.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Reid is a domestic terrorist.

What did those 2 prized bulls ever do that he had them murdered.

Where is the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals?

The hug-a-tree-ers only give a damn about polar bears?

The hypocrisy of the oppressive left is on display for all the world to see.

Reid is certifiably insane and belongs behind bars in an orange jumpsuit.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum!

No moral compass in the “District of Corruption.” Not a smidgeon.

Jayrae on April 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Have you tried banning him anyway? Maybe ban him in effigy?

Flange on April 18, 2014 at 9:30 AM

That would be hilarious — creating a Reid satire comment account and then banning it — but it’s not worth the effort in the long run. We have too much to do with the real Reid.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Harry is the “Terrorist Emeritus of the Senate”.

tim c on April 18, 2014 at 9:33 AM

I think the primary reason that the BLM Sturmabteilung backed down was because of public outrage if any human being were actually harmed over a turtle and grass. Face it, the BLM was disproprtionately heavy-handed what essentially is a decades long dispute over grazing rights.

The reaction to government thuggery would be tantamount to Kent State, Waco, or Ruby Ridge.

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 9:30 AM

I have two thoughts as to why they backed down.

1. They backed down literally WITHIN HOURS of Harry “Stoplight” Reid’s involvement with a deal to transfer that land (and other land in Nevada) to a Chinese Communist owned solar company going viral. That revelation coupled with CORPSES wouldn’t have made Senator Reid look very “distinguished”.

2. They backed down out of fear of being the battle of Lexington and Concord.

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 9:34 AM

There’s a lot to be taken from this latest episode of govt over reach. It’s always said by reporters that Harry’s a boxer and that’s why he’s so quick to attack anyone on the right. Why is stating that he’s a pair of mens underwear such a compliment?
Everyone needs to look up and see just how much land in their state that the feds own. It might wake up some people and make them ask why. The govt should own no more than a national park or historical site that they maintain for us to come and visit. The rest should be ceded back to the states.

Kissmygrits on April 18, 2014 at 9:34 AM

Harry doesn’t have a problem with Government thugs threatening US citizens with guns & attack dogs. Basically Storm troopers!!! We now have elected officials who feel they hold absolute power & use violence to exercise that assumed power. Despotism!!!

Scandall on April 18, 2014 at 9:34 AM

Harry Reid is a nasty piece of work.

LilyBart on April 18, 2014 at 9:35 AM

I’m guessing that was strike two?

Koolaid, just kool it man.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM

And …. strike three. Some people just can’t take a hint.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:35 AM

No moral compass in the “District of Corruption.” Not a smidgeon.

Jayrae on April 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM

/threadwinner!

That is a great line.

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 9:36 AM

I have to issue a strong protest against the misuse of the English language if indeed the above quote is the DOJ’s definition of terrorist.

It is the use of terror; i.e. the use or threat of random violence against CIVILIANS that distinguishes the terrorist from the guerrilla.

The entire point of terrorism is that the pain and fear instilled by violence upon the populace will force the government to bow to the wishes of the terrorists. The use of force against army or police isn’t terrorism, unless it is by covert use of remote explosives or other terror-inducing device, but even this tends to fall under the banner of guerrilla warfare, rather than terrorism.

The Bundy’s and their supporters merely stood up to the armed forces occupying the Bundy’s property. While this can certainly be labeled civil disobedience, under no rational definition can it be called terrorism.

What’s scares the pants off Old Harry, the DOJ and possibly Hot Air, is that the stand-off at the Bundy’s is the nascent seed of guerrilla action.

Pless1foEngrish on April 18, 2014 at 9:38 AM

I guess in this whole Bundy affair I’m on the side of he’s probably not entirely in his rights with the cattle there and not paying to fees. But if the government really does own as much of Nevada as they’re purporting, that’s just wrong.

Add to that the fact you’ve got a conservatively estimated 12 million foreign law-breakers in this country Reid’s actively seeking to protect from prosecution (even reward) and you’ve got some weapons grade hypocrisy.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Pay attention fellow Americans. If it were up to Harry Reid or others like him, anyone who disagrees with their actions, assembles for a redress of grievances or stands their ground in the face of tyranny would be a domestic terrorist and subject to laws like the NDAA and The Patriot Act, both of which allow for not only indefinite detention without charge or trial, but outright execution by way of gun or drone. We are living in a very dangerous time in what was once the land of the free.

Shtfplan

PatriotRider on April 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM

The unlawful use of force or violence, committed by a group(s) of two or more individuals, against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

That’s why this only gets a seven. One could make the argument that the armed faction at the Bundy ranch was a show of force that coerced the BLM into retreat, and that would meet that definition … in a strictly literal sense.

Only if they were there an ‘unlawful use of force or violence’. I don’t believe that they were. Is it unlawful to open carry in Nevada? Nope. Not even in State/Federal parks. Even Reid has been seen with a shotgun in his hand outside.

Patriot Vet on April 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM

I stand in amazement of Harry Reid. His fortitude to actually remove his lips from the rearend of the Democratic partys head jackass, long enough, to make so many lidicrous statement’s, is truly something to behold.

rocknrobert on April 18, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Reid reminds me of Hedley Lamarr the land grabber from Blazing Saddles.

avi natan on April 18, 2014 at 9:42 AM

I guess we can issue a Fatwa now?

Docsavage 14 on April 18, 2014 at 9:42 AM

The Tea Party, the Koch brothers and in essence, anyone that doesn’t go along with his communist agenda is a domestic terrorist. His use of the term is becoming as ineffective as the left’s charge of racism.

iamsaved on April 18, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Hey, if Reid was a commenter on this thread, I’d be happy to ban him. Nevada voters have to take responsibility for Reid everywhere else.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Get ready for your IRS audit.

Fenris on April 18, 2014 at 9:44 AM

No surprise, it’s part and parcel of the 0bama regime and the progressive/left to demonize and make regular white Americans (do you think BLM would have done this to a black rancher?) knuckle under to their agenda through threats of violence.

Rebar on April 18, 2014 at 9:44 AM

The Bundy’s and their supporters merely stood up to the armed forces occupying the Bundy’s property. While this can certainly be labeled civil disobedience, under no rational definition can it be called terrorism.

What’s scares the pants off Old Harry, the DOJ and possibly Hot Air, is that the stand-off at the Bundy’s is the nascent seed of guerrilla action.

Pless1foEngrish on April 18, 2014 at 9:38 AM

Keep in mind the Constitution doesn’t specify ANY “rights” of the government or government actors (which the BLM stormtroopers would be legally defined as). It only lists certain ENUMERATED POWERS.

A body armor clad government stormtrooper doesn’t have any rights that the citizens they are pointing weapons at do not also have.

Indeed, if anything, the civilians have MORE rights than the government actor, because if the law were actually followed, the goons would have very little authority (IF ANY AT ALL) and, in fact might be the trespassers committing a crime against the citizens simply BY BEING THERE with arms!

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 9:45 AM

That would be hilarious — creating a Reid satire comment account and then banning it — but it’s not worth the effort in the long run. We have too much to do with the real Reid.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:33 AM

I thought that’s what interns were for.

Flange on April 18, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Reid is the true scum of the earth. He awaits his day in Hell. He is in the same class with Marie Antoinette and his feelings towards the people he is supposed to represent.

We need to do additional research into how he possibly won his last election.

njrob on April 18, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Domestic terrorist rolls off the tongue a little easier then kulak, Trotskyite, or Jew, right Mr Reid?

So when are Republicans in the Senate going to try to censor him for his remarks?

18-1 on April 18, 2014 at 9:48 AM

His use of the term is becoming as ineffective as the left’s charge of racism.

iamsaved on April 18, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Actually, his use of the term is quite deliberate, and meant to negatively and legally categorize the Liberty and Freedom movement within the USA as terrorist in nature. When the SHTF, anyone standing up to the government will enjoy the consequences of the unconstitutional NDAA and Partiot Act…passed by both the GOP and Democrats…

Along with the ACA these are the worst pieces of legislation ever passed in the history of the country…

PatriotRider on April 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Pay attention fellow Americans. If it were up to Harry Reid or others like him, anyone who disagrees with their actions, assembles for a redress of grievances or stands their ground in the face of tyranny would be a domestic terrorist and subject to laws like the NDAA and The Patriot Act, both of which allow for not only indefinite detention without charge or trial, but outright execution by way of gun or drone. We are living in a very dangerous time in what was once the land of the free.

Shtfplan

PatriotRider on April 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM

The word you are looking for is “McCarthyism”. The Left is ACTUALLY ENGAGING in what they have accused the right of doing in the decades since McCarthy.

Oh, and McCarthy was right, it seems, Hollywood, education, and other institutions WERE AND ARE filled with communists!

The left is wrong, however. People who oppose the illegal acts of this bloated, out of control government aren’t “domestic terrorists”. They are Patriots. If anyone is a terrorist it’s Harry Reid and Barack Obama, who are violating and misusing the law to threaten and silence people who disagree with them?

And didn’t Hillary herself once screech “THAT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEBATE AND DISAGREE WITH ANY ADMINISTRATION!!!”?

I know, expiration dates…

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 9:51 AM

I thought that’s what interns were for.

Flange on April 18, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Yeah. How much effort would that kind of satire take?

Registration Day comment:

“Hi, I’m new and going to be going by the screen name of …

‘I’mHarryAndYouLiedAboutLosingYourCoverage’

and I think …”

(Comment deleted, User Banned)

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 9:54 AM

This is the problem with the NRA’s single issue approach. It’s okay to a point, but when followed blindly, as in the case with Harry Reid, it allows politicians to manipulate the NRA. Nobody believe’s Reid has the best interests if conservative gun owners at heart, and yet, your NRA dollars are supporting him.

Fenris on April 18, 2014 at 9:56 AM

Actually, his use of the term is quite deliberate, and meant to negatively and legally categorize the Liberty and Freedom movement within the USA as terrorist in nature. When the SHTF, anyone standing up to the government will enjoy the consequences of the unconstitutional NDAA and Partiot Act…passed by both the GOP and Democrats…

PatriotRider on April 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM

They might pull that off once. Twice, doubtful. Three times? impossible because they won’t be given the chance.

Ask Admiral Yamamoto about the consequences of “awakening the sleeping giant”. He also famously said that an invasion of the United States would be impossible because “there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass”.

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 9:57 AM

So defending someone’s rights makes one a “domestic terrorist”? That’s how totalitarians talk.

And that we have such talk from a Majority Leader of the U.S. Senate is frightening.

WannabeAnglican on April 18, 2014 at 10:01 AM

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Maybe he could sign up as BannedAid?

Flange on April 18, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Primarily, no act of violence took place, although some of the protesters were armed.

Incorrect – BLM used tasers and dogs on civilians.

“They’re nothing more than domestic terrorists,” Reid said Thursday at an event hosted by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, according to the newspaper. “I repeat: what happened there was domestic terrorism.”

Those phrases would be closer to correct when describing the feds/BLM…

Midas on April 18, 2014 at 10:02 AM

even if bundy did pay the feds the $1M they wouldn’t let him graze the cattle on the land….and where’d they come up with the $1M anyway? awful expensive scrub grass. is this opportunity lost money since harry and the gang could have made millions off a land deal with the chicoms even if bundy’s property was held as mitigation land.and the feds sure didn’t mind moving the turtles for the chicoms did they?

the feds and harry and his BLM are just the bullies here…BIG BULLIES. they thought it was gonna be a cakewalk but it wasn’t because a bunch of cowboys circled the wagons and said hell no.

check out: Bundy and the Rule of Law By Andrew C. McCarthy on NRO

gracie on April 18, 2014 at 10:03 AM

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Maybe he could sign up as BannedAid?

Flange on April 18, 2014 at 10:01 AM

That could apply to two comments in this thread.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Nevada needs to have a recall election and send this moron into retirement.

SC.Charlie on April 18, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Finally, will SOMEONE produce a side x side commercial contrasting these supposed terrorists (Tea Party included) juxtaposed with footage of the Soros/DNC backed Occupy movement? Let America choose which side looks like the future we want!

Kenz on April 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Those phrases would be closer to correct when describing the feds/BLM…

Midas on April 18, 2014 at 10:02 AM

exactamundo…they need to keep running those pictures with reid photoshopped in

gracie on April 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM

So, you guys embargo this story for a week while trying to figure out which side of this minihistory you want to come down on, now you post about it multiple times a day when there’s nothing on the line, and yet you are still sympathetic to the view that Bundy’s no good, on the wrong side of the law and perhaps likable but still totally wrong. You probably think David Koresh and the Davidians should have just given in and since Randy Weaver was a race separatist he totally had it coming.

Yes, I’m sure the line about putting the women up front might have given you the vapors, but anyone in the know knows that the specter of a woman even holding a baby won’t stop a government sniper – Randy Weaver’s late wife got a cap in her crown while holding their baby, even better while holding the door as her husband and his friend hauled the dead body of their 14-year-old son, shot in the back, to the house. For good measure, they killed his dog too. Second rule of government: when there’s nothing left to burn, set their souls on fire.

Hinderaker and I see eye-to-eye on most things, but his overwrought rhetoric about the Taliban and Bundy ranch and your meek echo of it was as hyperdramatic as your reliance on Joel Pollack to discuss black people who do terrible things. If you’re not going to write about this stuff with an ounce of conviction, what exactly are you doing this for? Being the Jimmy Carter of the right isn’t necessarily something to aspire to, and HA is so tone deaf on this story it’s sadly predictable.

King B on April 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM

They don’t call him Dingy for nothing…he is becoming dangerously insane.

d1carter on April 18, 2014 at 10:12 AM

“I bought and paid for those judges fair and square, those ranchers are breaking the law!”

Swansong from a corrupt old fart.

John the Libertarian on April 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM

King B on April 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Their gut is still telling them that the left is civilized and amenable to reasonable arguments. Reality has a way of disabusing people of silly notions, but it takes a long while sometimes.

Fenris on April 18, 2014 at 10:14 AM

If this sort of person is a domestic terrorist, Mr. Bundy should be glad that Rand Paul got Eric Holder to say he would not use drone strikes on US citizens in the United States.

KW64 on April 18, 2014 at 10:15 AM

That could apply to two comments in this thread.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Sadly, that’s true. If I remember correctly though, he’s a Lions fan, so he’s been through worse.

Flange on April 18, 2014 at 10:15 AM

So defending someone’s rights makes one a “domestic terrorist”? That’s how totalitarians talk.

And that we have such talk from a Majority Leader of the U.S. Senate is frightening.

WannabeAnglican on April 18, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Remember when Harry Reid was a champion of minority party rights in the Senate? When he held the Filibuster to be sancrosanct? When dissent was the HIGHEST form of Patriotism?

Good times, good times…

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Being the Jimmy Carter of the right isn’t necessarily something to aspire to, and HA is so tone deaf on this story it’s sadly predictable.

King B on April 18, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Interesting to point out Hot Air is an open forum for those registered but you need some kind of private invite to even see what’s on the blog you link to.

Your insightful condemnations are duly noted.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 10:17 AM

If this sort of person is a domestic terrorist, Mr. Bundy should be glad that Rand Paul got Eric Holder to say he would not use drone strikes on US citizens in the United States.

KW64 on April 18, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Actually, it was Obama he sought that assurance from, and he only got it in political weasel words. Meaning, Obama claims the authority to use assault drones (why not us that term?) on American Citizens ON American soil at any time, without any due process.

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Flange on April 18, 2014 at 10:15 AM

For true.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 10:18 AM

So, where’s PETA defending the murdered or kidnapped cows?

It’s fine to dance around with “equitable treatment” of a subject, but in the context of Senator Greed’s record, how is that justified without some “deeper contextual thought”?

RL on April 18, 2014 at 10:18 AM

I guess in this whole Bundy affair I’m on the side of he’s probably not entirely in his rights with the cattle there and not paying to fees.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Yeah, I would be more apt to side with him if he had put the grazing fee money (from the agreed upon amount from before the dust up in the ninety’s)in an account for disbursement afterwards.

cozmo on April 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Bundy supporters are “domestic terrorists,” y’know

If only.

Jaibones on April 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Remember when Harry Reid was a champion of minority party rights in the Senate? When he held the Filibuster to be sancrosanct? When dissent was the HIGHEST form of Patriotism?

Good times, good times…

ConstantineXI on April 18, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Well, he built a shooting range with tax money, so everybody vote for him! /

Fenris on April 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM

What is surprising to me is that no one on the right has “snapped” under the unrelenting barrage of bullshit.

Even with the continuing provocation, which I’m sure has that outcome in mind.

At some point, it WILL happen, surely.

Question here is what happens at that juncture?

irongrampa on April 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM

They don’t call him Dingy for nothing…he is becoming dangerously insane.

d1carter on April 18, 2014 at 10:12 AM

He truly is becoming dangerously insane. He’s in sedative-and-white-jacket territory.

Jaibones on April 18, 2014 at 10:20 AM

What is surprising to me is that no one on the right has “snapped” under the unrelenting barrage of bullshit.

Even with the continuing provocation, which I’m sure has that outcome in mind.

At some point, it WILL happen, surely.

Question here is what happens at that juncture?

irongrampa on April 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM

A ‘crisis to be taken advantage of’, I’m sure.

Midas on April 18, 2014 at 10:21 AM

What is surprising to me is that no one on the right has “snapped” under the unrelenting barrage of bullshit. Even with the continuing provocation, which I’m sure has that outcome in mind.

At some point, it WILL happen, surely.

irongrampa on April 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM

I have been thinking the same thing for months. The good news is that this extraordinary patience and lawfulness disproves every single thing the left thinks about the right and especially gun owners. We don’t shoot people and we generally have more respect for the law, even while our scumbag lawless President continues to act like he’s President of Ecuador.

Keep the faith, Gramps, and keep your powder dry.

Jaibones on April 18, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Who in the GOP is protecting Harry?

docflash on April 18, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Nevada voters have to take responsibility for Reid everywhere else.

Ed Morrissey on April 18, 2014 at 9:24 AM

IMHO, Ed I think the people of Illinois & Arkansas should be at the top of that list. California & New York as the runners-up.

I always said if you took economic horsepower of JUST the top 5 states in the Union that are run by Progressive Dems, and placed it in Reagan Conservative hands, we could erase the Debt within 8 years or LESS…Maybe even 4 years with luck.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 10:25 AM

The feds can secure federal lands from a US citizen then why can’t be secure the border from illegal aliens?

blc on April 18, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Yeah, I would be more apt to side with him if he had put the grazing fee money (from the agreed upon amount from before the dust up in the ninety’s)in an account for disbursement afterwards.

cozmo on April 18, 2014 at 10:19 AM

I’d predict you’re going to see more of this though with people citing the lack of execution on federal immigration laws and the ACA Gumby rules, to point to just two.

Maybe an oversimplification, but it’s like holding some kids in your family accountable for the rules and not others. Like they’re not going to notice and say something about it? Act out on it?

And I wouldn’t blame them.

hawkdriver on April 18, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Helpful government definition be damned.

This is deserving of a ten. Reid is plainly priming the social acceptance of violent conquest. This, and similar remarks, feeds the other-ization of those who stand against the militarized government will. It is dangerous, and I can wager with no small amount of certainty that this will not end well.

EvilMonk on April 18, 2014 at 10:31 AM

I suspect the reason Harry is sounding so bitter and angry and obsessed lately is that his mind is deteriorating. It happens to people who start showing signs of dementia and Alzheimers or memory loss, sometimes they just get mean. Of course, he’s been bitter and angry and obsessed for years, but lately his remarks towards the GOP and the Tea Party seem more delusional and cutting.

scalleywag on April 18, 2014 at 10:32 AM

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Our debt is larger than our GDP, 4 years isn’t going to happen, even in a conservative fantasyland. Unless we’re talking runaway inflation.

Fenris on April 18, 2014 at 10:33 AM

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