Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on April 17, 2014 by Allahpundit

New York has joined the campaign to effectively end the Electoral College’s role in determining winners of presidential elections.

Under the National Popular Vote Compact, which Gov. Cuomo signed off on Tuesday, the state has agreed to award its electoral college votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the national popular vote

The compact only takes effect once enough states have signed on to give it the required 270 electoral college votes. With New York’s participation, the movement has 165 votes.

“With the passage of this legislation, New York is taking a bold step to fundamentally increase the strength and fairness of our nation’s presidential elections,” Cuomo said.

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Replacing the Electoral College by electing the U.S. president through the national popular vote is as democratic an ideal as there is, says Democratic strategist Ben Wikler.

“The uniting principal is actually the idea that votes should count,” Wikler told J.D. Hayworth on “America’s Forum” Thursday on Newsmax TV.”

“So the question is now, do we want to be divided into red states and blue states, or do we all want to be Americans voting for president just the way as our brothers and sisters in other states across the country? Both parties should be competing for a national mandate, should be competing for support from a majority of Americans.”…

“I don’t know of any place in the debates among the Founding Fathers where they said that a small sliver of swing states should determine who becomes president,” he said.

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The best case for passing the law might be this map from the National Popular Vote group, which shows how many 2012 presidential campaign events were held in each state between the party conventions and the election:

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You’ll notice that the majority of states never saw Romney or Obama at all, because their electoral votes were already foregone conclusions. And when a president can get elected by basically ignoring the specific needs and interests of most of the states in the country, that is, like, pretty messed up.

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This got me wondering: Which states get the worst deal from the Electoral College, technically speaking? Everyone knows that the good people of Wyoming make out like bandits, but which voters are least represented in a presidential contest?

I assumed that since the least populated states are the most preposterously over-represented, the largest states, like California and Texas, would suffer the most when compared against the ideal of a “one-person, one vote” standard.

Nope!…

In any case, as Hertzberg makes clear, every state that doesn’t have a delicate ideological balance is actually getting screwed by the Electoral College — that is to say, practically all of them. However, it is still striking to note that the vote of a Wyoming resident is weighted nearly three and half times more than that of a Pennsylvania resident. Not to mention that it’s theoretically possible to win the presidency with nearly 80 percent of the population voting against you.

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N.P.V. is a good idea for all sorts of high-minded civic reasons. When an election is for a single office and only one candidate can win, it’s obviously outrageous when the candidate who gets more votes somehow loses to the one who gets fewer. But that doesn’t happen very often—”only” four of our thirty-nine elected Presidents, including “only” one of the two most recent, made it to the White House despite the citizenry’s preference for somebody else. What’s more outrageous is what happens every time: four-fifths of the states are ignored in the general election.

If you live in one of those states, you see neither hide nor hair of the Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees, scarcely even in television commercials. Grassroots politics does not exist in your state as far as the Presidential campaign is concerned, because there’s no point in ringing your neighbors’ doorbells if the statewide outcome is a foregone conclusion. The relative power of money vs. people is magnified, because while campaign cash is raised everywhere, including your state, it gets funnelled exclusively into places like Ohio and Florida. And, between elections, states like yours get measurably less federal attention and federal money, per capita, than is lavished on the swingin’ few.

But it’s not just the voters in those spectator states who are ignored. It’s also the politicians, including the state legislators—no matter which party they belong to, no matter whether their state is red or blue, no matter whether the sure winner in their state is the candidate of their party or the other party. Either way, they’re nobodies. The National Popular Vote plan would make them somebodies—and that, perhaps more than the high-minded stuff, is why N.P.V. has a pretty good chance of actually happening

The absence of red states from the roster is due largely to to a suspicion among Republican politicians and operatives that N.P.V. is somehow an attempt to get revenge for 2000. In opinion polls, Republican rank-and-filers, as distinct from Party professionals, strongly favor the idea of popular election. And a nontrivial number of Republican pros favor the plan itself.

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Here’s the problem: All the states to have joined so far are very blue. Until some purple states and red states sign on, the compact has little in the way of territory to conquer…

Perhaps the compact can get Delaware, Connecticut and Maine to join, where Obama also won by 15 percentage points or more. But they account for only 14 total electoral votes (and Maine already has a unique way of apportioning electoral votes). Oregon and New Mexico also re-elected Obama by double-digit margins — and those two states have become increasingly off-limits to Republican presidential candidates — but have just 12 electoral votes between them.

After that, you get into states such as Michigan and Minnesota, which are blue-leaning but that receive plenty of attention from presidential campaigns. Their votes might not be quite as influential in the Electoral College as the campaigns presume — a Democrat who lost Minnesota would probably be in too much trouble elsewhere to cobble together a 270-vote majority. Still, they receive an influx of media dollars and political pandering every four years, and probably have little incentive to bite the hand that feeds them.

Soon after comes outright swing states, such as Ohio, New Hampshire and Colorado. These states, along with Florida, Virginia, Nevada, Iowa, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, collectively had a 98.6 percent chance of determining the Electoral College winner in 2012, according to the FiveThirtyEight tipping-point index as it was calculated on election morning. In other words, these nine states are 70 times more powerful than the other 41 (which collectively had a 1.4 percent chance of determining the winner) combined. That’s part of the reason so many Americans object to the Electoral College. But states whose voters have a disproportionate amount of influence may be in no mood to give it up.

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Why are Democrats pushing this plan?

Democrats usually see a smaller percentage of their people go to the polls than Republicans do.

Under the electoral vote system, they figure why beat the drums to get a high turnout in New York City when the state will go Democratic anyway? But if it’s the popular vote that matters, the big-city machines can do their thing — with devastating impact

If the popular vote determines who will be the next president, we can bet that the machines will be out in force lining up voters, real and phony, to pad their statistics.

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It comes down to whether parties have confidence in their policies and ability to earn majorities. If you do, you can be confident in winning majority support in a truly representative democracy.

Under the current system, however, majority support does not guarantee electoral success. In any given election, one party or the other can have an advantage based on the vagaries of the leanings of a few swing states. Republicans used to have an edge, but in recent elections, pundits like Nate Silver of 538 convincingly argue that Democrats have had an edge. The 2016 race, however, is anyone’s guess. We know that there will be a distortion — but we don’t know who it will help…

Nothing would be better for restoring Americans’ faith in their elected officials if those officials made it clear that voters and their democracy come first. Our political leaders should be willing to allow fair completion and encourage high participation in exchange for earning the consent of the governed as intended by our Constitution.


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You ain’t lyin’! What’s up with Glenn? He is losing it, I can hardly stand to listen to him…

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Maybe Harry offered to cut him in. Or maybe he was in on the swindle already. Maybe Beck has stock in the Chinese company or in some other company that makes giant solar bird friers.

VorDaj on April 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Noms to look for? A friend of OC……

KCB on April 17, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Is a friend of mine….

kringeesmom on April 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

You see that Sparky??

KCB on April 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Diamonds and Rust – Judas Priest

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Good evenin’ MG, so nice to see you! PS {slow down} have a Dry martini!! ;)

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

The govts of the past, and mostly this one, has successfully divided the people with lies…

I am heartsickened by it all…

Divide and Conquer, and they are succeeding, the effing STUPID people who can’t see past their noses, are the ones who are destroying this country…

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM

That’s just the point. The easily fooled were never meant to have access to the ballot box. We abdicated our vigilance a century or so ago and this (education, media, culture) is what it’s led to.

Lanceman on April 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Is a friend of mine….

kringeesmom on April 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Yep!

KCB on April 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Well, allot seats by square miles. An outstanding idea!!!!

anotherJoe on April 17, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Especially, since they are trying to force even more people into the cities.

31giddyup on April 17, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Hmmm, with the Feds owning so much land, how would that work?

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

VorDaj on April 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Beats me, I tried to tell myself it was his brand of sarcasm, but I couldn’t get that past the ‘sniff’ test!!

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

The Church I belong to is ‘Presbyterian’
listens2glenn on April 17, 2014 at 10:49 PM

I’m a Frisbeeterian. We believe that when you die your soul gets stuck on top of a roof and you can’t get it down.

whatcat on April 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Ok … I don’t know how I fouled that one up . . . . . let’s try again:

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:03 PM

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Oh … well then … in that case, I guess I’m “holier than thou.”

listens2glenn on April 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM

listens2glenn on April 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Good evening….

oscarwilde on April 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Rock ‘N Roll Fool

jaime on April 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Lanceman on April 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

I remember from history. It’s all coming undone, and we are once again, terrorists and fascists or somthing according the left and media…

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Replacing the Electoral College by electing the U.S. president through the national popular vote is as democratic an ideal as there is, says Democratic strategist Ben Wikler.

“I don’t know of any place in the debates among the Founding Fathers where they said that a small sliver of swing states should determine who becomes president,” he said.

That would be fine and good if the United States had been formed as a democracy rather than a republic.

“The uniting principal is actually the idea that votes should count,” Wikler told J.D. Hayworth on “America’s Forum” Thursday on Newsmax TV.”

“So the question is now, do we want to be divided into red states and blue states, or do we all want to be Americans voting for president just the way as our brothers and sisters in other states across the country? Both parties should be competing for a national mandate, should be competing for support from a majority of Americans.”…

Their votes do count. They compete and vote for ELECTORS, not the President.

The Electoral College is embodied in the Constitution in Article 2, Section 1, and in the 12th Amendment.

The Framers were wary of giving the people the power to directly elect the President — some felt the citizenry too beholden to local interests, too easily duped by promises or shenanigans, or simply because a national election, in the time of oil lamps and quill pens, was just impractical. Some proposals gave the power to the Congress, but this did not sit well with those who wanted to see true separation of the branches of the new government. Still others felt the state legislatures should decide, but this was thought to make the President too beholden to state interests. The Electoral College, proposed by James Wilson, was the compromise that the Constitutional Convention reached.

Though the term is never used in the Constitution itself, the electors that choose the President at each election are traditionally called a College. In the context of the Constitution, the meaning of college is not that of a school, but of a group of people organized toward a common goal.

The Electoral College insulates the election of the President from the people by having the people elect not the person of the President, but the person of an Elector who is pledged to vote for a specific person for President. Though the ballot may read “John McCain” or “Barack Obama,” you’re really voting for “John Smith” who is a McCain supporter or “Jack Jones” who is an Obama supporter.

The function and details of how the Electoral College meets and how they vote was changed in the 12th Amendment. First, a discussion of the original plan, outlined in Article 2, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 3, then what is different today:

Each state chose a number of electors equal to the number of congress people that state had. Each state, then, got at least three electors (two Senators and at least one Representative). Electors may not be an employee or elected representative of the Federal Government. Each state was allowed to otherwise choose whomever they wish to be the Electors for that state.

Today, Electors are chosen by popular election, but the Constitution does not mandate a popular election. The 14th Amendment does mention the choosing of Electors, but is relevant only when Electors are elected by popular vote. There is similar mention in the 24th Amendment. In other words, Electors could be appointed by a state’s legislature, or the legislature could empower the governor to choose electors. In some cases, state law allows for such appointments if the popular vote cannot be used to determine a winner, such as if election results are contested up to federally-mandated deadlines.

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Resist We Much on April 17, 2014 at 11:17 PM

predator on April 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

I’m sorry… ‘hospitals’ doesn’t sound fun at all. I won’t pry, but I’m hoping that’s over and you’re fully recovered, Predator.

And, of course, I’d be delighted, gallant sir. :)

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Reid came out today and called the American Patriots that went to Nevada to support Mr. Bundy, domestic terroists.

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Beck said close to the same thing and before Reid. Maybe Reid got the idea from Beck and just super charged it some.

VorDaj on April 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Regardless of the method used to choose Electors, they all met, in their states, on one day set by law. Each voted for two people, at least one of whom was not a citizen of their state. Those votes were then counted, and a list of each name and the number of votes was signed and certified and sent to the President of the Senate. Then, in front of a joint session of Congress, the President of the Senate opened the vote counts from each state. These were totaled, and the President was the person with the most votes, if the count is a majority. If there was a tie, then the members of the House of Representatives immediately took a vote and that winner was the President.

If there was no tie, and no majority, then the top five vote-getters were voted on by the House as above.

When the vote devolved to the House, two-thirds of all states must have had at least one Representative present for the vote to proceed. The Representatives present from each state voted as a single state. The winner had to win by a majority of the states.

The Vice-President was a bit easier. In any case, that person who had the second highest number of Electoral votes was Vice-President (if there was a tie, the winner of the House vote was President; the loser was Vice-President). If the second-highest vote count was shared by two or more people, the Senate chose between those people.

Pretty complicated, right? The Framers thought for sure that they had covered all their bases. But they did not foresee certain things, the most important of which is the formation of political parties. For example, say each state votes Republican, and every elector votes for George Bush for President and Dick Cheney for Vice-President. When the votes are counted, Bush and Cheney will have equal votes, throwing the election into the House, regardless of the fact that the will of the Electors is, or should be, clear. Once in the House, anything can happen.

Not plausible, you might think, but precisely this happened in the 1800 election of the Jefferson/Burr ticket. The ticket had the highest number of Electoral votes, and because their electors wrote both Jefferson and Burr on their ballots, there was a tie. The House was thrown into a fit, and it took 36 votes to finally elect Jefferson as President.

The 12th Amendment was ratified four years later to avert any recurrence of these events. The 12th changes the Electoral process in a few small, but important ways.

First, instead of voting for two people, Electors vote for a President and a Vice-President. From there, the names are totaled at the state level, in two columns this time (one for the President and one for the Vice President), and sent along to the President of the Senate. Then, in joint session, all votes are opened and counted, again in two columns. The person with the majority of votes for President is then President. If there is no majority, then the top three vote-getters are voted on by the House (with the same restrictions as before). The choice must be made by January 20th (originally March 4th in the 12th Amendment, but altered by the 20th Amendment), or the Vice President becomes the Acting President, until such time as the House can finally agree.

The choice for Vice President moves along similarly, with the majority vote getter becoming VP. If there is no majority, the top two vote-getters are voted on by the Senate. In the case of the Senate, the Senators are not grouped by state, though there must still be a two-thirds quorum to take the vote. Also note that because only the top two vote-getters are placed in the mix, the choice for Vice President should be an easier one. Also note that in the case of a tie, the current Vice President, as President of the Senate, may cast a vote for himself (if the current Vice President is running for re-election).

Today, the day of choosing the electors is set at the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, and the date the Electors meet is set at the first Monday following the second Wednesday in December — in 2008, these dates are November 4 and December 15. These dates are set in the US Code, at 3 USC 7.

In most states, the winner of the state election gets all of the state’s electoral votes. In two states, Maine and Nebraska, however, the winner of the state only gets two votes, one representing each Senator. The other electoral votes are distributed according to the winner of each congressional district in the state.

That’s the process. Electors are chosen by the states and the Electors elect the President and Vice-President.

But, of course, there is much more to it than that, when the inconvenience of details slip in. But that’s another topic.

The election of 2000, as did several elections before it, called the wisdom of the Electoral College system into question. Will there be changes to this uniquely American institution? The answer to that question remains to be seen.

William Kimberling, Deputy Director of the Federal Election Commission, wrote a very interesting treatise on the Electoral College, that includes lots of great historical information and anecdotes about the College
. The document can be found on the FEC’s web site in Adobe Acrobat format.

Resist We Much on April 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

oscarwilde on April 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Howdy Pardner

jaime on April 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Good evening….

oscarwilde on April 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

It’s lookin’ up!! :)

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Regardless of the method used to choose Electors, they all met, in their states, on one day set by law. Each voted for two people, at least one of whom was not a citizen of their state. Those votes were then counted, and a list of each name and the number of votes was signed and certified and sent to the President of the Senate. Then, in front of a joint session of Congress, the President of the Senate opened the vote counts from each state. These were totaled, and the President was the person with the most votes, if the count is a majority. If there was a tie, then the members of the House of Representatives immediately took a vote and that winner was the President.

If there was no tie, and no majority, then the top five vote-getters were voted on by the House as above.

When the vote devolved to the House, two-thirds of all states must have had at least one Representative present for the vote to proceed. The Representatives present from each state voted as a single state. The winner had to win by a majority of the states.

The Vice-President was a bit easier. In any case, that person who had the second highest number of Electoral votes was Vice-President (if there was a tie, the winner of the House vote was President; the loser was Vice-President). If the second-highest vote count was shared by two or more people, the Senate chose between those people.

Pretty complicated, right? The Framers thought for sure that they had covered all their bases. But they did not foresee certain things, the most important of which is the formation of political parties. For example, say each state votes Republican, and every elector votes for George Bush for President and Dick Cheney for Vice-President. When the votes are counted, Bush and Cheney will have equal votes, throwing the election into the House, regardless of the fact that the will of the Electors is, or should be, clear. Once in the House, anything can happen.

Not plausible, you might think, but precisely this happened in the 1800 election of the Jefferson/Burr ticket. The ticket had the highest number of Electoral votes, and because their electors wrote both Jefferson and Burr on their ballots, there was a tie. The House was thrown into a fit, and it took 36 votes to finally elect Jefferson as President.

The 12th Amendment was ratified four years later to avert any recurrence of these events. The 12th changes the Electoral process in a few small, but important ways.

First, instead of voting for two people, Electors vote for a President and a Vice-President. From there, the names are totaled at the state level, in two columns this time (one for the President and one for the Vice President), and sent along to the President of the Senate. Then, in joint session, all votes are opened and counted, again in two columns. The person with the majority of votes for President is then President. If there is no majority, then the top three vote-getters are voted on by the House (with the same restrictions as before). The choice must be made by January 20th (originally March 4th in the 12th Amendment, but altered by the 20th Amendment), or the Vice President becomes the Acting President, until such time as the House can finally agree.

The choice for Vice President moves along similarly, with the majority vote getter becoming VP. If there is no majority, the top two vote-getters are voted on by the Senate. In the case of the Senate, the Senators are not grouped by state, though there must still be a two-thirds quorum to take the vote. Also note that because only the top two vote-getters are placed in the mix, the choice for Vice President should be an easier one. Also note that in the case of a tie, the current Vice President, as President of the Senate, may cast a vote for himself (if the current Vice President is running for re-election).

Resist We Much on April 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

listens2glenn on April 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Got it the first time…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Beats me, I tried to tell myself it was his brand of sarcasm, but I couldn’t get that past the ‘sniff’ test!!

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Honor is not to be won, it is only not to be lost. Beck lost his.

VorDaj on April 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

I’m a Frisbeeterian. We believe that when you die your soul gets stuck on top of a roof and you can’t get it down.

whatcat on April 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

That right there is funny!! Lmao… :D

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

You ain’t lyin’! What’s up with Glenn? He is losing it, I can hardly stand to listen to him…

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Maybe Harry offered to cut him in. Or maybe he was in on the swindle already. Maybe Beck has stock in the Chinese company or in some other company that makes giant solar bird friers.

VorDaj on April 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Mormon brothers?

davidk on April 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Oh, and Bishop gets first comment on QOTD, whether personally or in absentia.

Gingotts on April 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM

:-) When Bmore gets back, he should add that to the tutorial!!

Also we’re going to ask him if he’ll add some Security suggestions to avoid posting too much personal info onsite. You know, like anything that could be too identifying.

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Don’t Say You Love Me

jaime on April 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Resist We Much on April 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Hey darlin’
How are you feeling? I will take a gentle slow dance with you and caress your pain away…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Resist We Much on April 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Howdy Young Lady!! Good to see you :)

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

To symbolize the whip of big government against our liberty and um… I dunno, just eat a hot pepper and chug a beer, already.

Peppers and cream. Hey, I just had an idea for the worst yogurt flavor ever.

Oh, and Bishop gets first comment on QOTD, whether personally or in absentia.

Gingotts on April 17, 2014 at 11:10 PM

That much I know.

Horatia on April 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Good evening, Spritely One. :) I’m very glad to see you.

A dry martini sounds wonderful. Perhaps… a little later. :)

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

I’m sorry… ‘hospitals’ doesn’t sound fun at all. I won’t pry, but I’m hoping that’s over and you’re fully recovered, Predator.

And, of course, I’d be delighted, gallant sir. :)

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Not over, but nearly so. Liver therapy (sovaldi/ribavirin) and I have a hernia surgery coming up April 24th.

But none of it will keep me from spinning you across the floor.

Shall we?

predator on April 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Also we’re going to ask him if he’ll add some Security suggestions to avoid posting too much personal info onsite. You know, like anything that could be too identifying.

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

There really should be a disclaimer here about that darlin’
Where is PaperGirl?

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Horatia on April 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Hiya and welcome to qotd, where we just write what sounds good and spin good tunes and have a giggle and laugh, or not, depending on moods… :)

((we do have serious moments tho))

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Glenn Beck should now be called Harry Reid Jr. I guess your stuck with it now though.

VorDaj on April 17, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Reid came out today and called the American Patriots that went to Nevada to support Mr. Bundy, domestic terroists.

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

http://www.reviewjournal.com/politics/reid-calls-bundy-supporters-domestic-terrorists

davidk on April 17, 2014 at 11:23 PM

hi Omaha! somehow every time I see you say darling I think in my head I’m your huckleberry! Nooby wench reporting!

PaperGirl on April 17, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Hey Jackie,darlin’ save a dance for me…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Hi, Sophie Ro. :) Has anyone told you, today, how beautiful and amazing you are? You’re peerless. All the lies perfection tell about itself, you are, and were you perfect, you would be diminished. Light is only light in my eye when it’s reflected from your beautiful face — and you are beautiful, Sophie Ro — and the light in my mind burns brightest when the idea burning there came from you, or was about you. Your friendship and love do me more credit than anything I’ve done with my own hands, and being held favorably in your estimation makes life’s other goals look not only possible, but inevitable. You are the necessary and the irreplaceable, the star in the sky without which the world is dark.

– Anyway, if no one’s told you this in your torn-cartilage day, let me know, and I’ll try to sneak it in sideways.

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM

I’m a Frisbeeterian. We believe that when you die your soul gets stuck on top of a roof and you can’t get it down.

whatcat on April 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Bet my Border Collie Cross can get it down. He loves frisbee.

kringeesmom on April 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Good evening, Omaha. :)

I don’t know… it looks like your dance card is pretty full, my friend. ;)

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM

predator on April 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Prayers ascending for you for a successful surgery and speedy recovery!! :)

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM

<– Lurk/Work

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM

listens2glenn on April 17, 2014 at 11:15 PM

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Got it the first time…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

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The link didn’t work right for me on the first posting.
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I’ve been a Don Francisco fan since my early days as a believer, and my wife says this song was definitely written for me.

I don’t know where she gets that idea . . . . . I think she’s just jealous of my “piety.” Yep, that must be it.

listens2glenn on April 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM


PaperGirl on April 17, 2014 at 11:23 PM

I want this dance with you darlin’

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:25 PM

PaperGirl on April 17, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Welcome PG!! :)

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:25 PM

“The uniting principal is actually the idea that votes should count,” Wikler told J.D. Hayworth on “America’s Forum” Thursday on Newsmax TV.”

No they shouldn’t! I get tired of saying this, but there is no Constitutional right to vote in a federal election for any individual!

This has been affirmed again and again by the S.C.

Lanceman on April 17, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Hold On Tight

jaime on April 17, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Good evening “domestic terrorists”, as Harry Reid would call us.

Leftists are enemies and don’t deserve to be defended.

Fight back or suffer.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2014 at 11:26 PM

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, ain’t LOVE grand!!

(I am so stealing that) :D

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Bottom line is only NET TAX PAYERS should be allowed to cast a vote.

Lanceman on April 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM

I was going to write something witty and sarcastic about us not being a democracy so why the hell do any of these quotes matter. But RWM beat me to it she is on the ball!

PaperGirl on April 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM

listens2glenn on April 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM

I am delighted you will be in all the company of saints in heaven…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Hey darlin’
How are you feeling? I will take a gentle slow dance with you and caress your pain away…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Better. Let’s dance!

Resist We Much on April 17, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Howdy Young Lady!! Good to see you :)

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

Hiya, gurl!

Resist We Much on April 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Prayers ascending for you for a successful surgery and speedy recovery!! :)

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:24 PM

Thanks Scrumpy. I’ve been waiting two months for this due to multiple tests to make sure the liver condition wouldn’t complicate the surgery. They’ve decided it won’t, so I’m ready to get it over with.

predator on April 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM

But Hassan was a “work-related disturbance”.

This is the Child, who’s chief.

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Please Mama Please

jaime on April 17, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Scumhag of the Nation

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2014 at 11:28 PM

I’m thinking maybe we should have a parliamentary government where you don’t vote for the president. You vote locally and the party that gets the most votes picks the president.

crankyoldlady on April 17, 2014 at 11:28 PM

You ain’t lyin’! What’s up with Glenn? He is losing it, I can hardly stand to listen to him…

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Used to be a be a big fan but gave up on him cold turkey about five years ago cold turkey. Glenn Beck is all about Glenn Beck.

bw222 on April 17, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Resist We Much on April 17, 2014 at 11:27 PM

You got it darlin’

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Good luck, predator!

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Hey 7% It’s a media business… a good one but a business. Now I’m pretty sure that the staff of Hot Air would punt the ads if they went Full NPR on your ass with just a small donation of say $10M for openers. So I’m pretty sure you will write that check…yes?

HatfieldMcCoy on April 17, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Used to be a be a big fan but gave up on him cold turkey about five years ago cold turkey. Glenn Beck is all about Glenn Beck.

bw222 on April 17, 2014 at 11:28 PM

He always was but these guys have to be that way.

crankyoldlady on April 17, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2014 at 11:26 PM

Good evening, Paladin. :)

Indeed. We’ve been promoted.

No long just racists, nativists, xenophobes, Nazi’s, un-American, and an angry mob… we’re now ‘domestic terrorists’.

Quite the occasion.

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2014 at 11:30 PM

predator hasn’t seen his tab, has he?

KCB on April 17, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2014 at 11:26 PM

The political Front stinks.

Fight is the only thing we can do, with words.

The NYSlimes needs to be defuncted squashed torn apart and burned in hellfire!

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Thanks Scrumpy!!!

And Omaha… Only if this can be the chaser...

PaperGirl on April 17, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Thanks Schad.

predator on April 17, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Tonight is HA Babe’s Night in the QOTD. We Celebrate our Conservative Babes…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:31 PM

The problem with democracy is that the people are the ones who vote.

Horatia on April 17, 2014 at 11:31 PM

predator hasn’t seen his tab, has he?

KCB on April 17, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Foolish man, that’s what credit cards are for.;)

predator on April 17, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Tonight is HA Babe’s Night in the QOTD. We Celebrate our Conservative Babes…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Are you buying?

crankyoldlady on April 17, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Who wins, Balrog OR Smaug?

Balrog Boogie

jaime on April 17, 2014 at 11:32 PM

That’ll happen.

Horatia on April 17, 2014 at 11:06 PM

A Constitutional amendment requires ratification by 3/4s of the states (38).

If 38 states benefit from representation by square mies, it would pass.

If 38 states do not benefit from popular votes for President, it won’t pass.

Somebody run the numbers.

MichaelGabriel on April 17, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Reid came out today and called the American Patriots that went to Nevada to support Mr. Bundy, domestic terroists.

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Beck said close to the same thing and before Reid. Maybe Reid got the idea from Beck and just super charged it some.

VorDaj on April 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

I made that connection too. That is why I’m building a case against Beck. Not done yet. His own words are going to do him in.
The comments from those on his own websites will too. If I used Facebook, I’d like to see how many unfriended him since he threw that gauntlet down. Many commenters are doing just that.

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:33 PM

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2014 at 11:30 PM

I am gonna knock back a double SC on ice and celebrate my new found status as a DOMESTIC TERRORIST!! Wooohooooooooooooooooo!!

*CLINK*

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Newbies..Welcome!

KCB on April 17, 2014 at 11:34 PM

oscarwilde on April 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Howdy Pardner

jaime on April 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Good evening….

oscarwilde on April 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM

It’s lookin’ up!! :)

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Hello Jamie…..

Scrumpydoodle……

oscarwilde on April 17, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Somebody run the numbers.

MichaelGabriel on April 17, 2014 at 11:33 PM

mnjg is the numbers dude.

Lanceman on April 17, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Are you buying?

crankyoldlady on April 17, 2014 at 11:31 PM

I sure am, darlin’
Pick your poison…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:34 PM

predator on April 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

I wish you a swift and complete recovery, Predator.:) I’m very sorry you’ve been unwell.

You’re a wonderful dance partner, kind sir. It’s always my distinct pleasure to dance with you. :)

A beautiful tune, too. :)

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM

jaime on April 17, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Well spun :)

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Holy week is so humbling, reminds me that I am Chief of Sinners…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:03 PM

That would be Harry Reid.

bw222 on April 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM

I made it through the first two quotes. And the map. Better than I usually do.

Don’t have any on-topic comments, though.

kcewa on April 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM

I sure am, darlin’
Pick your poison…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Whatever kills pain.

crankyoldlady on April 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM

I made that connection too. That is why I’m building a case against Beck. Not done yet. His own words are going to do him in.
The comments from those on his own websites will too. If I used Facebook, I’d like to see how many unfriended him since he threw that gauntlet down. Many commenters are doing just that.

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Cannot wait for your results. Glad someone is busting him…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Who wins, Balrog OR Smaug?

jaime on April 17, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Balrog.

Smaug was only a threat because Gandalf wasn’t there.

Horatia on April 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Marc Cohn – Walking in memphis

RickB on April 17, 2014 at 11:36 PM

predator on April 17, 2014 at 11:21 PM

We’ll put you on our prayer list in the Gulch for the 24th.

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:36 PM

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:33 PM

You go Bluefox!!

He is already inder a slander/libel lawsuit from what I have read…

He has lost his marbles…

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Quite the occasion.

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Schadenfreude on April 17, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Whatever kills pain.

crankyoldlady on April 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM

So sorry you are still sore. Prayers are ascending for you…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:37 PM

predator on April 17, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Get well! Be well!

KCB on April 17, 2014 at 11:37 PM

So sorry you are still sore. Prayers are ascending for you…

OmahaConservative on April 17, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Thanks OC. You’re a prince.

crankyoldlady on April 17, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Scrumpy on April 17, 2014 at 11:33 PM

lol! Not to put to fine a point on it, Spritely One… but I’d rather see Harry Reid knocked back on his derriere for suggesting such a thing about his fellow Americans.

thatsafactjack on April 17, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Hot Rod Ford

jaime on April 17, 2014 at 11:38 PM

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