Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on April 17, 2014 by Allahpundit

New York has joined the campaign to effectively end the Electoral College’s role in determining winners of presidential elections.

Under the National Popular Vote Compact, which Gov. Cuomo signed off on Tuesday, the state has agreed to award its electoral college votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the national popular vote

The compact only takes effect once enough states have signed on to give it the required 270 electoral college votes. With New York’s participation, the movement has 165 votes.

“With the passage of this legislation, New York is taking a bold step to fundamentally increase the strength and fairness of our nation’s presidential elections,” Cuomo said.

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Replacing the Electoral College by electing the U.S. president through the national popular vote is as democratic an ideal as there is, says Democratic strategist Ben Wikler.

“The uniting principal is actually the idea that votes should count,” Wikler told J.D. Hayworth on “America’s Forum” Thursday on Newsmax TV.”

“So the question is now, do we want to be divided into red states and blue states, or do we all want to be Americans voting for president just the way as our brothers and sisters in other states across the country? Both parties should be competing for a national mandate, should be competing for support from a majority of Americans.”…

“I don’t know of any place in the debates among the Founding Fathers where they said that a small sliver of swing states should determine who becomes president,” he said.

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The best case for passing the law might be this map from the National Popular Vote group, which shows how many 2012 presidential campaign events were held in each state between the party conventions and the election:

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You’ll notice that the majority of states never saw Romney or Obama at all, because their electoral votes were already foregone conclusions. And when a president can get elected by basically ignoring the specific needs and interests of most of the states in the country, that is, like, pretty messed up.

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This got me wondering: Which states get the worst deal from the Electoral College, technically speaking? Everyone knows that the good people of Wyoming make out like bandits, but which voters are least represented in a presidential contest?

I assumed that since the least populated states are the most preposterously over-represented, the largest states, like California and Texas, would suffer the most when compared against the ideal of a “one-person, one vote” standard.

Nope!…

In any case, as Hertzberg makes clear, every state that doesn’t have a delicate ideological balance is actually getting screwed by the Electoral College — that is to say, practically all of them. However, it is still striking to note that the vote of a Wyoming resident is weighted nearly three and half times more than that of a Pennsylvania resident. Not to mention that it’s theoretically possible to win the presidency with nearly 80 percent of the population voting against you.

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N.P.V. is a good idea for all sorts of high-minded civic reasons. When an election is for a single office and only one candidate can win, it’s obviously outrageous when the candidate who gets more votes somehow loses to the one who gets fewer. But that doesn’t happen very often—”only” four of our thirty-nine elected Presidents, including “only” one of the two most recent, made it to the White House despite the citizenry’s preference for somebody else. What’s more outrageous is what happens every time: four-fifths of the states are ignored in the general election.

If you live in one of those states, you see neither hide nor hair of the Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees, scarcely even in television commercials. Grassroots politics does not exist in your state as far as the Presidential campaign is concerned, because there’s no point in ringing your neighbors’ doorbells if the statewide outcome is a foregone conclusion. The relative power of money vs. people is magnified, because while campaign cash is raised everywhere, including your state, it gets funnelled exclusively into places like Ohio and Florida. And, between elections, states like yours get measurably less federal attention and federal money, per capita, than is lavished on the swingin’ few.

But it’s not just the voters in those spectator states who are ignored. It’s also the politicians, including the state legislators—no matter which party they belong to, no matter whether their state is red or blue, no matter whether the sure winner in their state is the candidate of their party or the other party. Either way, they’re nobodies. The National Popular Vote plan would make them somebodies—and that, perhaps more than the high-minded stuff, is why N.P.V. has a pretty good chance of actually happening

The absence of red states from the roster is due largely to to a suspicion among Republican politicians and operatives that N.P.V. is somehow an attempt to get revenge for 2000. In opinion polls, Republican rank-and-filers, as distinct from Party professionals, strongly favor the idea of popular election. And a nontrivial number of Republican pros favor the plan itself.

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Here’s the problem: All the states to have joined so far are very blue. Until some purple states and red states sign on, the compact has little in the way of territory to conquer…

Perhaps the compact can get Delaware, Connecticut and Maine to join, where Obama also won by 15 percentage points or more. But they account for only 14 total electoral votes (and Maine already has a unique way of apportioning electoral votes). Oregon and New Mexico also re-elected Obama by double-digit margins — and those two states have become increasingly off-limits to Republican presidential candidates — but have just 12 electoral votes between them.

After that, you get into states such as Michigan and Minnesota, which are blue-leaning but that receive plenty of attention from presidential campaigns. Their votes might not be quite as influential in the Electoral College as the campaigns presume — a Democrat who lost Minnesota would probably be in too much trouble elsewhere to cobble together a 270-vote majority. Still, they receive an influx of media dollars and political pandering every four years, and probably have little incentive to bite the hand that feeds them.

Soon after comes outright swing states, such as Ohio, New Hampshire and Colorado. These states, along with Florida, Virginia, Nevada, Iowa, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, collectively had a 98.6 percent chance of determining the Electoral College winner in 2012, according to the FiveThirtyEight tipping-point index as it was calculated on election morning. In other words, these nine states are 70 times more powerful than the other 41 (which collectively had a 1.4 percent chance of determining the winner) combined. That’s part of the reason so many Americans object to the Electoral College. But states whose voters have a disproportionate amount of influence may be in no mood to give it up.

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Why are Democrats pushing this plan?

Democrats usually see a smaller percentage of their people go to the polls than Republicans do.

Under the electoral vote system, they figure why beat the drums to get a high turnout in New York City when the state will go Democratic anyway? But if it’s the popular vote that matters, the big-city machines can do their thing — with devastating impact

If the popular vote determines who will be the next president, we can bet that the machines will be out in force lining up voters, real and phony, to pad their statistics.

***

It comes down to whether parties have confidence in their policies and ability to earn majorities. If you do, you can be confident in winning majority support in a truly representative democracy.

Under the current system, however, majority support does not guarantee electoral success. In any given election, one party or the other can have an advantage based on the vagaries of the leanings of a few swing states. Republicans used to have an edge, but in recent elections, pundits like Nate Silver of 538 convincingly argue that Democrats have had an edge. The 2016 race, however, is anyone’s guess. We know that there will be a distortion — but we don’t know who it will help…

Nothing would be better for restoring Americans’ faith in their elected officials if those officials made it clear that voters and their democracy come first. Our political leaders should be willing to allow fair completion and encourage high participation in exchange for earning the consent of the governed as intended by our Constitution.


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did you catch the LBGP ?

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 1:52 AM

Yes I caught parts of it..:)

PS..I thought Sat. night was the best race of the year so far..:)

PSS..Very good catch on the minor point of order..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 1:57 AM

Hiya, Blax!

Resist We Much on April 18, 2014 at 1:44 AM

Lol…YOU!

Almost scared me with the Madame Defarge link from Drudge…OTOH, I blame Drudge too, since I usually check him during the day.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 1:57 AM

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 1:51 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 1:58 AM

“They nailed him to the cross and they laid him in the ground,
but they should have known you can’t keep a good man down.”

whatcat on April 18, 2014 at 1:56 AM

“Roll away The Stone!…….”

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 1:59 AM

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 1:51 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 1:58 AM

Good evening Dire, and you to G2M…

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 2:00 AM

Dire Straits on April 18

the 24 and 17 are 1 n 2 in points…no wins
the 4 car…22nd in points 2 wins…
its going to be an interesting come chase time..
and if you recorded the LBGP give it a look..
was a great street fight..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:03 AM

And the State absolutely hates Charter, private or homeschooling. Because they can’t do their Marxist indoctrination in them.

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 1:55 AM

They damn well should.

My mom works for the BOE in NYC (non-teacher), and a friend works at one of the Brooklyn Charter schools, and the difference between the kids is night and day…

If they’re so hopped up to close schools, they could retool at least a good 1/5 of the 4th grade to JHS level schools and maybe a 1/3 of the High Schools tomorrow and we actually have a generation of classes that will have a chance at a future that doesn’t involve earning a paycheck via the State.

Wishes and Dreams I know, but I’m telling you, another 20 years of turning out students like this and we are SO screwed.

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 2:04 AM

evening ow..
hope your night is going well..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:05 AM

All right. Let’s all go work out. I know it’s late, but we need to get in a couple hours before the weekend. So — everyone, grab your gear.

Um . . . *hands Sophie spandex*

I’ll go grab the gloves.

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 2:08 AM

“Roll away The Stone!…….”

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 1:59 AM

You could be a Leon Russell…

whatcat on April 18, 2014 at 2:09 AM

Well, on that note, I too better turn in…Taking Mom to Home Depot, and a few more errands.

I wish everyone a Good Friday and Happy Easter…go easy on the Baked Ham but better stock up on the fresh bread and Apple Butter, the stores are really running bare on it, even the MegaMarts…

Nites!

BlaxPac on April 18, 2014 at 2:09 AM

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 2:00 AM

I left you a message..Page 7 1:15am mark..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 2:11 AM

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:03 AM

You are right..They have screwed up the points system..:)

PS..I like a lot of drivers..”Smoke” is probably my favorite..:)

PS..LB is always a good rood race and it is a good road course..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 2:14 AM

“Roll away The Stone!…….”

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 1:59 AM

You could be a Leon Russell…

whatcat on April 18, 2014 at 2:09 AM

…You Gotta Serve Somebody……

….or even better………

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 2:20 AM

Dire Straits on April 18

the 14 car is 12th in points…no win yet..
right now there are two cars outside the top 16
with wins…the 4 and 41…
and LB..is a great venue…and a very good street course..
ive been to the LBGP maybe 2 dozen times..
used to walk from my apartment..
one hell of a party in the streets at night..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:23 AM

All right. Let’s all go work out. I know it’s late, but we need to get in a couple hours before the weekend. So — everyone, grab your gear.

Um . . . *hands Sophie spandex*

I’ll go grab the gloves.

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 2:08 AM

….THAT’S the Ticket, Man!

….Sometimes……….you have to be cryptic to avoid a desultory philippic……

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 2:24 AM

I’m sure it’s all been covered after this many pages, but here goes.

Let’s just split into Red States and Blue States, each with their own elected government. So, we’ll have two administrations running simultaneously. One of the first orders of business for the Red States will be to build a border fence…and keep it manned. That way, when inhabitants of the failing Blue States decide they’ve had enough and want to migrate to the thriving Red States, they’ll be SOL.

It may take a few years, but the Blues WILL want to escape the bloated, over-taxed, over-regulated, welfared-out, crime ridden, socialist hell hole. And we will greet them at the fence with a smile and a wave, saying, “So sorry, but you were correct in 2014. That WAS the final amnesty.”

fire them all on April 18, 2014 at 2:27 AM

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 2:00 AM

I left you a message..Page 7 1:15am mark..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 2:11 AM

Saw that, Zake Starkey, Ringo’s kid…

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 2:29 AM

…Pure Magic!….

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 2:29 AM

Saw that, Zake Starkey, Ringo’s kid…

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 2:29 AM

Good genes..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 2:31 AM

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:23 AM

You are right “Smoke” needs a win..:)

PS..I agree with you on LB…:)

PSS..I think NASCAR needs a road course in the chase…Sear Point would be very cool addition..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 2:34 AM

Saw that, Zake Starkey, Ringo’s kid…

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 2:29 AM

Also known as “Zak” Starkey…….he took lessons from and supposedly got his first drum kit from Keith Moon….who may be the best 4/4 time drummer Ever…

Lucky enough to see Zak with The Who in 2006 – and it was like seeing and hearing The Who with Keith Moon reincarnated!…….Zak hit the skins with the force that Only Moon had before him, and he looked like Keith onstage…..it was impressive!

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 2:34 AM

fire them all on April 18, 2014 at 2:27 AM

I used to think that way..
cut it in half…along say the Mississippi..
but the real trouble isn’t a red state or a blue.
most states are red all over till you get to the cities.
when Detroit votes ..it doesn’t matter what we think out here..
when Chicago votes.. it doesn’t matter what they think in Peoria.
when Vegas votes.. it doesn’t matter that Winnemucca says..
you could go thru the states one by one…
its the cities .. and he coast that are blue..
so my new thought is….wall off the cities…
sell them the needed supplies that they need…food power timber oil..
and we can buy what ever it is the city contributes to society..
which is …nothing

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:36 AM

Actually, young G, I went and grabbed my gear and started working out. :) And I went and got my gloves. And I need to get a couple hours in before this weekend. I guess everyone thinks I just make this crap up as I go ’cause of the occasional 400 pound transvestite hooker stories.

I offer no excuse for daydreaming of Sophie in spandex.

. . . guess I’ll run McQueen in a loop . . .

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 2:39 AM

Sear Point would be very cool addition..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 2:34 AM

Sears Point already has a date…
but..
the Nationwide guys run Road America and now Mid Ohio too..
either would go nicely in the chase.
I don’t think Canada is on their schedule this season..

road Atlanta maybe??..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:42 AM

. . . guess I’ll run McQueen in a loop . . .

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 2:39 AM

…….Heh! Love it!

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 2:46 AM

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:36 AM

Apologies. I didn’t make a clear statement. I completely agree about the cities. Of course, the whole scenario is just a dream I have. But, I would prefer that the population has the opportunity to choose their “side” and adequate time to move to their new locale, if necessary. Perhaps, there would be a total of 4-5 large Blue states and the same for Red states. Since I’m dreaming, let’s say that both “sides” begin with an equal allotment of funds, natural resources and access to ports, etc.

I would still be interested in watching the deterioration of the new Blue states, from a distance. :)

fire them all on April 18, 2014 at 2:51 AM

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:42 AM

I would move Sears Point to the chase and take one of the “cookie cutter” tracks out of it..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 2:57 AM

Kepler 186f

the next “place”.. ?

http://www.space.com/25530-earthsize-exoplanet-kepler-186f-habitable-discovery.html

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:57 AM

Dire Straits on April 18

add a road course and drop a cookie cutter..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:01 AM

fire them all on April 18

there are a few states left
not saddled with a major city boat anchor..
hope they know how lucky they are..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:05 AM

DS if your still awake,,
the last half hour of the F1 practice from China
is on NBCsports now..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:07 AM

I’m sure it’s all been covered after this many pages, but here goes.

Let’s just split into Red States and Blue States, each with their own elected government. So, we’ll have two administrations running simultaneously. One of the first orders of business for the Red States will be to build a border fence…and keep it manned. That way, when inhabitants of the failing Blue States decide they’ve had enough and want to migrate to the thriving Red States, they’ll be SOL.

It may take a few years, but the Blues WILL want to escape the bloated, over-taxed, over-regulated, welfared-out, crime ridden, socialist hell hole. And we will greet them at the fence with a smile and a wave, saying, “So sorry, but you were correct in 2014. That WAS the final amnesty.”

fire them all on April 18, 2014 at 2:27 AM

deserves repeating….

loubkk on April 18, 2014 at 3:08 AM

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:36 AM

…since we can’t wall off the southern border…I like your idea!

KOOLAID2 on April 18, 2014 at 3:08 AM

Kepler 186f

the next “place”.. ?

http://www.space.com/25530-earthsize-exoplanet-kepler-186f-habitable-discovery.html

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:57 AM

Kepler was Tycho’s b!tch.

Lanceman on April 18, 2014 at 3:09 AM

Kepler was Tycho’s b!tch.

Lanceman on April 18, 2014 at 3:09 AM

“Hand me down my Tycho Brahe……”

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 3:12 AM

add a road course and drop a cookie cutter..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:01 AM

Sorry..Cookie cutter is one of the 1.5 mile courses..There are too many of them..imho..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 3:21 AM

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:07 AM

thanks for info..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 3:22 AM

I don’t know why we don’t have a dozen kepler scopes out there..
this one has seen so much in such a narrow field of view..
the James Webb scope is almost finished..
http://jwst.nasa.gov/

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:27 AM

…“Hand me down my Tycho Brahe……”

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 3:12 AM

I didn’t mean my above to be an insult toward your spins, by the way. If it came off that way. Spins are good. Just needed to spin something unattended.

OK FITNESS LURKERS — outside. Let’s walk it off. Good job, people.

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 3:28 AM

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 3:21 AM

smiles..
I know what a cookie cutter track is..
im saying add another road course for the chase
so you have 3 road course dates..
sears point
the glen
and maybe road America…
its wide long and fast

Hamilton..!!
Alonzo .141 off the pace in 2nd…

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:32 AM

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:32 AM

I’m sorry..I was confusing you..I meant to say NASCAR should move Sears Point to one of the last 10 races and move one of the “cookie cutter ” tracks out of the last 10 races..Right now there are no road course races in the chase where it really counts (last 10 races)..We need one..imho..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 3:42 AM

Dire Straits on April 18

now were just saying the same thing….laffs…

cept for the 3rd road course date..

yes one in the chase…but not sears…
not a great road course for those cars..
to much follow the leader up and down the hill…
it has no true straightaway..
they don’t run the interloop… they should..
it would add two passing zones…

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:51 AM

We think we’re so cute with that first! and Bishop! stuff. They do the same thing at WSJ.

Lanceman on April 18, 2014 at 3:51 AM

heck Road Americas straights are so long and wide
they may be talking restrictor plates before its done..

ever drive the simulators on both those tracks??…
if you own a wheel and pedals you can download a good simulator
for free here
https://www.simraceway.com/

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:56 AM

Lanceman on April 18

they yell Bishop at WSJ too??…
dang the Bish is one popular dude..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:58 AM

We think we’re so cute with that first! and Bishop! stuff. They do the same thing at WSJ.

Lanceman on April 18, 2014 at 3:51 AM

No one has Bishop but HA. Other piker forums only have “first.”

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 4:02 AM

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:51 AM

Thumbs up..NASCAR would never go for 3 road courses in a season..I have no problem with Road America or Watkins Glenn..I just think Sprint Cup champ should also show skills on a road course..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 4:03 AM

Git to bed, you pikers!

Lanceman on April 18, 2014 at 4:06 AM

I’m sorry, but there’s not enough bling or booty for me to be seen here. I’m getting back to work again, now that I’m buff.

Git to bed, you pikers!

Lanceman on April 18, 2014 at 4:06 AM

@SparkPlug — ^ Lanceman said you can’t blog.

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 4:17 AM

{{{{{{{{Sophie Ro}}}}}}}} Sleep deep, everything.

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 4:19 AM

Dire Straits on April 18

they need to run the boot section of the glen too…
though I believe the drivers would drive it..
so its the france family again limiting what we see..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 4:19 AM

so its the france family again limiting what we see..

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 4:19 AM

Yes..You sir are correct..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 4:21 AM

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 4:19 AM

The Glenn and Sears Point separate the road course “pretenders” from the the “real deal” as a “true” NASCAR champ..imho..:)

Dire Straits on April 18, 2014 at 4:27 AM

you know what I watch often is
the Australian V8 supercars…
the tracks are too small sometime for my tastes..
but the cars are simple and quick..
and mt panorama Bathurst is one of the worlds best tracks..

http://www.mount-panorama.com.au/

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 4:31 AM

mt panorama… at speed…button

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4XVF3jJL5Q

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 4:34 AM

NASCAR should be more like this
aussie v8 supercars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94_9qO19z-0

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 4:41 AM

shipped my files out for the morning to the left coast..
going to crash for a bit..
thanks DS, I’ll leave you with the
last two laps of a 1000k v8 supercar race from Bathurst..
(yes after a thousand kilometers.. this close for the win)
this is what a proper road course track should look like IMO.. cheers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2oFmZeguy8

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 5:04 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Looks like the weekend will have good weather.

crankyoldlady on April 18, 2014 at 6:18 AM

As long as it is not necessary to show ID to vote, it’s a great idea. then urban areas can be represented 110%.

Lonetown on April 18, 2014 at 6:27 AM

.wall off the cities…
sell them the needed supplies that they need…food power timber oil..
and we can buy what ever it is the city contributes to society..
which is …nothing

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:36 AM

I wonder if one state could do that. Illinois for instance would do much better without Chicago dragging them down. They should look into it.

crankyoldlady on April 18, 2014 at 6:28 AM

Happy Good Friday eberyboby!

Murphy9 on April 18, 2014 at 6:41 AM

How about getting Congress to shift its butt closer to 1:30,000 representation so that there is a closer demographic match between the House and the People?

The House was meant to be the least manageable, most representative and most highly contentious body in the federal system and it only gets that via good representation. All past problems of the House being ‘unmanageable’ go away with modern data systems. Most of those systems are already in place and as a House member you can vote from your offices.

Add the number of Representatives to their full time and part time staff, you know the people doing the REAL WORK in the offices, and then divide that amount into the population size and you come very, very close to 1:30,000. So the Representatives offices already have enough room for all those people and with laptops and cellphones, connectivity is ALREADY THERE.

Once you get around 10,000 members of the House you then have a very representative system and the Electoral College then mimics that and the ‘over weight’ voters from small States have their votes leveled out by the increased number of Electors sent to the Electoral College.

It isn’t that the system is overburdened or needs direct democracy: it is that the People are not represented well enough to have individuals that more closely align with their outlook.

Mind you this would destroy the two party system in the name of increased democracy, but it would do so in a way that does not give large States an over-ride of their people when a popular vote goes a different way in their State from the rest of the Union.

1:30,000 – technically feasible, puts a brake on big government, allows people to be represented in a more equal fashion and puts more power down lower in the system instead of concentrating it higher up.

Plus awarding by a system other than given in the Constitution requires an Amendment: it is what the States signed on to and if they want a different system they can jolly well start the Amendment process off.

To change the size of the House all you need is a majority in the House.

ajacksonian on April 18, 2014 at 6:45 AM

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 1:19 AM

Yes, they still teach phonics at my son’s school. But Common Core has infiltrated there already too. It’s crazy. You are right about the infiltration, it has ruined too many generations already.

PaperGirl on April 18, 2014 at 1:22 AM

Worst of it is that it was done stealthily and deceitfully and most American’s have been indoctrinated to some degree or other and are completely unaware of it.

oscarwilde on April 18, 2014 at 1:26 AM

And it’s really been going on for 50 years…

loubkk on April 18, 2014 at 7:06 AM

Blessed Good Friday, Patriots! and, whatever Trolls came aboard yesterday.

If you’re lying, you’re lying.

- John C. Maxwell

My take: “Shocka”: Majority of Americans Believe Obama Lies Like a Rug

kingsjester on April 18, 2014 at 7:13 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Looks like the weekend will have good weather.

crankyoldlady on April 18, 2014 at 6:18 AM

Morning COL and other fine folks of HotAir. Rain today and Saturday, but nice on Sunday. Just in time for Easter! All our kids will be home for Easter except for one. Our Easter is both observance and me drunk wearing bunny ears and the kids chomping on peeps (YUCK) and chocolate bunnies. Fun times…fun times ahead.

Oh yea….Happy Good Friday and Glorious Easter to all, both sinners and Saints.

HonestLib on April 18, 2014 at 7:17 AM

My take: “Shocka”: Majority of Americans Believe Obama Lies Like a Rug

kingsjester on April 18, 2014 at 7:13 AM

Get with the program KJ! Bill and Killary are going to be grandparents!!!!! Nobody cares about that Ben Ghazi guy anymore!

Happy Nomad on April 18, 2014 at 7:46 AM

My state has slightly more than half the population of New York City, what could go wrong?

Fat Hubie on April 18, 2014 at 8:27 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Looks like the weekend will have good weather.

crankyoldlady on April 18, 2014 at 6:18 AM

G’ morning, col. 70 plus for Easter and little chance of rain…should be joyous. Fasting today if I can manage it … woke up hungry. Uh oh.

Jaibones on April 18, 2014 at 8:59 AM

I wonder if one state could do that. Illinois for instance would do much better without Chicago dragging them down. They should look into it.

crankyoldlady on April 18, 2014 at 6:28 AM

There is only one tiny part of Chicago that anyone would ever come to Illinois for, unless one came to do business. Agriculture is king, and so Caterpillar and John Deere have been here forever. Otherwise, it’s a huge, flat, boring place, with little to speak for it.

Chicago is a very large ghetto wrapped around the gleaming jewel that is the Lake Michigan shoreline, from the museum campus to Lincoln Park. The rest of the city is a self-perpetuating dump, like most cities.

Jaibones on April 18, 2014 at 9:05 AM

OK FITNESS LURKERS — outside. Let’s walk it off. Good job, people.

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 3:28 AM

Axe is Richard Simmons???

Resist We Much on April 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Heck, I think splitting up the United States would be better. I’m tired of Libs and looters from New York City, Chicago, L.A. etc. etc. using Washington D.C. to loot me. That’s what we have come to, and changes in the electoral college won’t change that.

WannabeAnglican on April 18, 2014 at 9:23 AM

it is still striking to note that the vote of a Wyoming resident is weighted nearly three and half times more than that of a Pennsylvania resident.

Yes, but when the same person votes two or three times in places like Philadelphia, it all evens out.

iamsaved on April 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Civil war.

Nomennovum on April 18, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Axe is Richard Simmons???

Resist We Much on April 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM

Last I heard Axe was multi-tasking and combining yard work with his work out. He was weed eating his back hair while outside. Ole’ boy put the stroke in two-stroke! Best we not speak of a hose pipe ban in his area.

HonestLib on April 18, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Ok, I’ve never asked this but what’s the gulch?

crankyoldlady on April 18, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Good Morning all. The gulch was a Palin thread that has continued for over a year. Check it out:-) We are currently on page 113.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/25/report-palin-parts-ways-with-fox-news/comment-page-113/#comments

Hope you are feeling better too.

Good Friday and a Joyous Easter to everyone.

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 10:31 AM

That’s Glenn’s ultimate point about all of this.

listens2glenn on April 18, 2014 at 1:38 AM

I know you support Beck and that’s fine. Something has changed him since the Bundy issue has surfaced. However, we’ll continue this after the Easter Holiday.

Best wishes to you during this season:-)

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 10:42 AM

I certainly agree with that and I’d say many would.

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 1:02 AM

Why? In Illinois we elect increasingly idiotic liberals to the Senate (RINO extraordinaire Mark Kirk is a one-term wonder), like Dick Durbin. The Demonrats hold a supermajority in both houses of the General Assembly. They would appoint someone just as stupid as Durbin.

What would be gained, exactly?

Jaibones on April 18, 2014 at 1:06 AM

I was winding down & getting sleepy, so didn’t reply to you:-)

My reason is that it would give power back to the States. We elect the State Senators & House members. As it is now, we the people have little say or method other than voting for or against an incumbent. Every 6 years for U.S. Senate on a rotating basis.

Yes, in certain States as you mention it may not make a difference at first. But at least the voters in the State as a whole can vote for their State Reps.

Something to consider tho.

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Yes, in certain States as you mention it may not make a difference at first. But at least the voters in the State as a whole can vote for their State Reps.

Something to consider tho.

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 10:53 AM

This is where I get lost. The same voters have the opportunity to remove Dick Durbin every six years, and every six years the Democrat/Mob coalition returns the retard to office. Our choice.

Is a Dem supermajority of district reps somehow more likely to remove him? Why?

Jaibones on April 18, 2014 at 11:14 AM

listens2glenn on April 18, 2014 at 1:38 AM

.
Grin Bleck is in NO WAY “Right With God”

Grin Bleck is in NO WAY “A Conservative”

Grin Bleck promotes NO ONE and NOTHING EXCEPT “Grin Bleck”

….and he is incapable of cogent, completed, rational thought….

….he is an Idiot……..

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 1:44 AM

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( s i g h . . . . . . . . . . . . . . )

williamg is in NO WAY “Right With God”

williamg is in NO WAY “A Conservative”

williamg promotes NO ONE and NOTHING EXCEPT williamg.

….and he is incapable of cogent, completed, rational thought….

….he is an Idiot……..

I have no evidence to back-up any of that … and in fact, I don’t even believe … any of that.
It’s the best illustration I could come up with, to point out that anyone can say anything about anyone … when they don’t have to prove it.

What’s your grounds/basis for any of those statements you made?
.

. . . . . and will be one of The First People Set On Fire when The Revolution Comes…..

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 1:44 AM

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…..because__________________________________________
.

…I hope it’s televised….

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 1:44 AM

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Why do you hope anyone being burned (I assume you mean “burned alive”) is televised?

listens2glenn on April 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 3:28 AM

….one thing that’s beautiful between us is that you Never have to explain yourself to me….

….I get you……

….that should probably worry one of us……

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

That’s Glenn’s ultimate point about all of this.

listens2glenn on April 18, 2014 at 1:38 AM

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I know you support Beck and that’s fine. Something has changed him since the Bundy issue has surfaced. However, we’ll continue this after the Easter Holiday.

Best wishes to you during this season:-)

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 10:42 AM

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“Dittos” . . . . . Jesus is LORD

listens2glenn on April 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

listens2glenn on April 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

…..I know you love Glenn……I’ve spent time listening to him – and I think he’s a phony, a poseur on the Level of O’Reilly and Gerry Rivers and Chris Matthews………he’s self contradictory and disingenuous – a LOT…..he can’t complete a continuous and coherent thought or thought process…….and I think he’s dangerous…..he thinks only of how he can make Grin Bleck “bigger” (much like O’Reilly)…..I despise him…..

….sorry – we just have different views of him…..I really, really, really don’t like him…..

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM

….of course, my metaphor was meant figuratively……like a metaphor…..

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 11:53 AM

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM

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On the good side, no one has to agree with, or even like Glenn Beck in order to know Jesus Christ as Savior and LORD.

listens2glenn on April 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

listens2glenn on April 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM
…..I know you love Glenn……I’ve spent time listening to him – and I think he’s a phony, a poseur on the Level of O’Reilly and Gerry Rivers and Chris Matthews………he’s self contradictory and disingenuous – a LOT…..he can’t complete a continuous and coherent thought or thought process…….and I think he’s dangerous…..he thinks only of how he can make Grin Bleck “bigger” (much like O’Reilly)…..I despise him…..

….sorry – we just have different views of him…..I really, really, really don’t like him…..

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Wow, and I thought Glenn Miller………

……….was an American big band musician, arranger, composer, and bandleader in the swing era. He was the best-selling recording artist from 1939 to 1943, leading one of the best known big bands.

HonestLib on April 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

….one thing that’s beautiful between us is that you Never have to explain yourself to me….

….I get you……

….that should probably worry one of us……

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

I never understand Axe but I’m kind of afraid to ask him to explain.

crankyoldlady on April 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM

-_-

Axe on April 18, 2014 at 1:30 PM

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 10:42 AM

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“Dittos” . . . . . Jesus is LORD

listens2glenn on April 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Yes, He is. And He Is Risen!!

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Jaibones on April 18, 2014 at 9:05 AM

I believe the number is lower now than these 2009 numbers..
but Cat is now mostly an offshore company…(mexico)
sad to say.. they couldn’t afford UNION wages even in Peoria..
I took a short contract design job once in Peoria..so I lived there for a bit…its a mess .. and depressing to see ..
over half the citizens have left…

“As of December 31, 2009, Caterpillar employed 93,813 persons of whom 50,562 are located outside the United States. Current employment figures represent a decline of 17,900 employees compared the third quarter of 2008.[3] Due to the restructuring of business operations which began in the 1990s, there are 20,000 fewer union jobs in the Peoria, Illinois area while employment outside the U.S. has increased.”

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Caterpillar_Inc.#Workforce_and_labor_relations

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:04 PM

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM

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On the good side, no one has to agree with, or even like Glenn Beck in order to know Jesus Christ as Savior and LORD.

listens2glenn on April 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

…..”Like!”……. ; )

williamg on April 18, 2014 at 2:16 PM

launch of the SpaceX CRS-3 Mission
is scheduled for 3:25pm weather permitting..

http://www.spacex.com/webcast/

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 2:19 PM

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 10:53 AM

This is where I get lost. The same voters have the opportunity to remove Dick Durbin every six years, and every six years the Democrat/Mob coalition returns the retard to office. Our choice.

Is a Dem supermajority of district reps somehow more likely to remove him? Why?

Jaibones on April 18, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Well, for one thing it’s not the same voters every 6 years and that is one thing. 6 years is a long time to wait to even have the opportunity to vote. On the other hand, don’t your State Reps come up for re-election every 2 years? I just think if the Legislators would elect the U.S. Senators & House members, then pressure could be put on them every two years. Clearly the current system isn’t working:-)

Your State is a case all by itself tho:-)

I’m not sure how this change would even come about anyway, as I’ve not studied it. From what I understand it was this way before.

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 2:23 PM

T minus 15 minutes..!!

http://www.spacex.com/webcast/

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:11 PM

if you missed the launch you can replay it on NASA TV here..
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

going2mars on April 18, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Under the National Popular Vote Compact, which Gov. Cuomo signed off on Tuesday, the state has agreed to award its electoral college votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the national popular vote…

That is, until a Conservative or Republican wins the popular vote.

RJL on April 18, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Under the National Popular Vote Compact, which Gov. Cuomo signed off on Tuesday, the state has agreed to award its electoral college votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the national popular vote…

That is, until a Conservative or Republican wins the popular vote.

RJL on April 18, 2014 at 4:03 PM

You don’t suppose this is prep for the influx of the Amnesty voters, do you? I do.

bluefox on April 18, 2014 at 10:27 PM

Ah, the national popular vote. Perfect. Then my vote can be voided by fraud in Chicago and I won’t even have a chance to vote on the Secretary of State who lets it happen.

Vote fraud in blue states could then destroy not only their own voters’ legitimate votes, but all the rest of us as well. What could go wrong?

Queen Hotchibobo on April 19, 2014 at 9:14 AM

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