Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on April 16, 2014 by Allahpundit

Federal officials appear to be waiting out Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and his supporters.

Two days after a dispute over grazing rights, cattle and $1 million in fees and fines threatened to spin into a Wild West shootout, officials with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) promised they weren’t finished with Bundy.

“The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially,” BLM Director Neil Kornze said in a statement that followed the bureau’s decision to release nearly 400 head of Bundy’s cattle that had been seized as part of a fight over grazing fees…

“They can afford to play the long game,” said McCarthy, who suggested the government could wait six months or longer for its next action.

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The simmering truce between the Bundys and the Bureau of Land Management comes after high-profile raids last year by armed federal agents on small-time gold miners in tiny Chicken, Alaska, and guitar makers at the Gibson Guitar facilities in Tennessee.

That doesn’t include more subtle threats, such as recent efforts by the Obama administration to raise grazing fees or pressure permit holders to transfer their water rights as a condition of renewal, said Ryan Yates, director of congressional relations for the American Farm Bureau.

“Some have called it a culture of intimidation,” Mr. Yates said. “It’s issue after issue, threat after threat. It’s becoming harder and harder to keep those operations in business.”

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This Wednesday, DeLemus remains in Nevada. He is now running the makeshift “militia” of conservatives protecting the ranch, some of whom are armed with handguns and rifles. DeLemus said about 100 conservative activists are still there, three days after federal agents returned hundreds of cattle they had taken from the ranch.

To DeLemus and these other activists, the Bundy ranch standoff is one of their most important fights yet over what they consider to be an oppressive federal government.

“We are willing to give our lives,” he said in a phone interview…

“Lawlessness,” DeLemus said of the situation. “You look that up in the dictionary, and you’ll see the definition of our government right beside it. They all are. Congress, both houses, and the White House.”

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He is a squatter, a right-wing version of the dreadlocked freegan who sets up living quarters in an abandoned building in Brooklyn. If everyone did as Bundy does, the concept of property rights would be diminished.

Testing Bundy’s claim is simple. If he has a right to do what he is doing on public land to which he does not have title, then so should you and I. What would happen if a hundred other people each put a hundred head of cattle on the same property? The grass would run out; every animal would, eventually, starve…

That said, Bundy’s truculence has created one positive outcome. It has focused the wider public’s attention on a fact that few in America’s urban centers have to grapple with: that in most of the largest states of the union, an enormous amount of land is publicly owned, and under the control of an alphabet soup of federal agencies…

Bundy has argued that the property under control of the BLM really belongs to the state government of Nevada. This is a dubious argument regarding the law as it is, but as a policy suggestion, it’s not so bad. States have an incentive to make productive use of these lands, and they are closer to the people who those land-use decisions affect. And there are also solid legal arguments for it. As a recent Federalist Society paper has pointed out, it seemed the agreements under which Western states were admitted to the union intended for many of these lands to be turned over to state or private ownership.

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“The situation in Nevada stands as an example [of] the federal agencies’ steady trend toward elevating environmental and wildlife issues over livestock grazing,” the ["Nevada Cattlemen's Association] said. “Well-­intentioned laws such as the Endangered Species Act … are being implemented in a way that are damaging to our rights and to our Western families and communities.”

The cattlemen’s group added that ranchers such as Mr. Bundy have had their “backs against the wall as, increasingly, federal regulations have infringed on their public land grazing rights and the multiple-use [land] management principle.”

“This is not only devastating to individual ranching families; it is also causing rural communities in the West to [wither] on the vine,” the group said.

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“They’re just thieves,” he said.

“Over the last 55 years I’ve watched with an eagle eye, I’ve watched them wipe out thousands of small miners, thousands of small farmers,” he said. “They’ve basically wiped out the family farm.”

The Bundys lost in court because the federal government has held title to the land since 1838. The BLM did not begin managing the land until 1946, when the agency was founded. Believing the agency doesn’t have Nevada’s interest at heart, the Bundys want the land to be ceded to the state, and are hopeful their state government will work to make that happen.

“I think our state elected officials are going to completely take over from here,” Ammon Bundy told the Washington Free Beacon. “And they’re going to protect the people in most areas, and in ones that won’t, they’ll be replaced.”

“We’re gonna get this right,” he said. “It’s going to take a little bit of time, but we’re gonna get it right.”

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The Obama Administration was not unique, however, in its eager, early, and extended embrace of policies anathema to the American West. On that score it followed the examples of the presidencies of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, both of whom heeded the demands of those President Reagan called “environmental extremists” or “modern-day Luddites.”

In the late 1970s, Carter’s “War on the West” spawned the Sagebrush Rebellion, which Governor Reagan welcomed by saying, “I am a Sagebrush Rebel.” Reagan, as governor of California, a vast public-lands state (nearly half is federally owned), knew what most Americans do not; that the federal government owns a third of the country. Most of that land is in the eleven western States and Alaska. In rural western counties, Washington owns upward of 60, 70, 80, and even 90 percent of the land…

Little wonder that there is talk of another Sagebrush Rebellion, that Utah has passed enabling legislation to secure title to federal lands it needs for its citizens, an effort in which other States have joined to one degree or another, and that legislation proposed by Representative Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) to sell 3.3 million acres of federal land deemed by the Clinton Administration as “suitable for disposal” was reported out of committee…

Westerners know they could do better.

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The underlying assumption of our belief in the rule of law is that we are talking about law in the American tradition: provisions that obligate everyone equally and that are enforced dispassionately by a chief executive who takes seriously the constitutional duty to execute the laws faithfully. The rule of law is not the whim of a man who himself serially violates the laws he finds inconvenient and who, under a distortion of the “prosecutorial discretion” doctrine, gives a pass to his favored constituencies while punishing his opposition. The rule of law is the orderly foundation of our free society; when it devolves into a vexatious process by which ideologues wielding power undertake to tame those whose activities they disfavor, it is not the rule of law anymore…

When law becomes a politicized weapon rather than a reflection of society’s shared principles, one can no longer expect it to be revered in a manner befitting “political religion.” And when the officials trusted to execute law faithfully violate laws regularly, they lose their presumption of legitimacy.

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If we are to have the rule of law, then, by all means, let’s have the rule of law: Shut down those federal subsidies and IRS penalties in states that did not create their own exchanges under the Affordable Care Act — the law plainly does not empower the federal government to treat federal exchanges identically to state exchanges. And let’s enforce the ACA’s deadlines with the same scrupulosity with which the IRS enforces its deadlines. Let’s see Lois Lerner and a few hundred IRS employees thrown in the hole for their misappropriation of federal resources, lying to Congress, etc. — and let’s at least look into prosecuting some elected Democrats for suborning those actions. And if you want to get to the real problem with illegal immigration, let’s frog-march a few CEOs, restaurateurs, and small-time contractors off to prison for violating our immigration laws — and they can carry a GM product-safety manager and a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration executive under each arm. Let’s talk about enumerated powers.

Tell you what: We can have a nice, interesting debate about the rule of law — but not while Lois Lerner is at large and Charlie Rangel is a prominent feature of public life. Not until a guy who owns a car lot in Waxahachie gets the same deal on his back taxes that Tim Geithner did. But I have the strangest feeling that a great many residents of Washington would not fare especially well under any robust interpretation of the rule of law. It all makes you not want to think too hard about the fact that President Obama has ordered the assassination of more than one U.S. citizen with no obvious legal authority for doing so.

Cliven Bundy may very well be a nut job, but one thing is for sure: The federal government wouldn’t treat a tortoise the way it has treated him. Harassing a tortoise is a federal offense. But harassing the country? That’s federal policy.

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That there is a point beyond which the state may not advance without expecting legitimate pushback is acknowledged by even the most committed of the state’s enablers. Indeed, this principle is baked into America’s instruction manual — albeit with a caveat. “Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive,” the Declaration reads, “it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.” But it also chides the hotheaded among us, inviting us to remember that “prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes.” As far as we know, Bundy is not set on starting a revolution. (Although any shots fired would, certainly, have been heard around the world.) But then he isn’t set on civil disobedience as we understand it, either. There is a compact that governs disobedience, and it might be said to follow an old Spanish proverb: “Take what you want but pay for it.” Bundy did not ready himself for prison in order to make a point, but hoped that his obstinacy would lead to a direct change in policy with no consequences to himself. He wished, in other words, to win — nothing more, nothing less. That, in a vacuum, his winning looks good to limited-government types such as myself remains beside the point. If he can opt out, who cannot?

Setting out to make “the case for a little sedition,” my colleague Kevin Williamson ended up making a whole lot more, relying for his rhetorical firepower on wholesale revolutionaries Mohandas Gandhi and George Washington — men, lest you forget, who succeeded in bringing down the existing order in its entirety. “Mr. Bundy’s stand should not be construed as a general template for civic action,” Williamson writes, thereby demonstrating the problem rather neatly: When you change the government, you do not need to worry about setting a precedent; when you merely disobey it, you are setting yourself above a system that remains in force. Respectfully, I would venture that Williamson is here suggesting that he is to be the arbiter of legitimate rebellion — a peculiar position for a libertarian concerned with the integrity of the political process to adopt…

As government expands and civil society retreats, bad laws pile atop bad laws, and the cause for dissent is magnified and deepened. Cliven Bundy has been dealt a raw hand by a system that is deaf to his grievances and ham-fisted in its response. But this is a republic, dammit — and those who hope to keep it cannot pick and choose the provisions with which they are willing to deign to comply.

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Fourth!

KCB on April 16, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Ratso!

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Really?

KCB on April 16, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Hi OC.

KCB on April 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Good thing the BLM slaughtered his prize bulls. Yay for Bigger Government!!!

John the Libertarian on April 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Evening All

LOL Ken

CoffeeLover on April 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM

KCB on April 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Hey dude…

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM

John the Libertarian on April 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Aside from terrorizing their cattle during calfing (sp?) season, killing those 2 bulls was just brutal. They also destroyed a lot of the infrastructure for this ranch.

Bundy may be wrong, but this government is so out of control.

CoffeeLover on April 16, 2014 at 10:06 PM

I love steak.

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:08 PM

this government is so out of control.

CoffeeLover on April 16, 2014 at 10:06 PM

It’s just so Harry Reid slime-ball thug tactic.

John the Libertarian on April 16, 2014 at 10:08 PM

I firmly believe that in backing down Obama avoided sparking the 2nd (or third) Revolution.

That might have ignited it. Indeed, after the lawlessness of the last several years, that spark is IMMINENT.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bYP4Km94ps&list=UUSi64g0azbv5ULkDLxMN9tw

It is true. The government has lost all moral authority to govern.

ConstantineXI on April 16, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Old and New on Equal Footing

Finally, there is the constitutional issue of whether states, in forming the Constitution, gave the federal government power to own land.

In the decision handed down by the Supreme Court in the case of Escanaba Co. v. City of Chicago, 107 U.S. 678, 689 (1883), an important constitutionally based concept known as the “equal footing doctrine” was described as “Equality of constitutional right and power is the condition of all the States of the Union, old and new.”

Basically, this principle requires that any state added to the union do so on equal footing with the 13 original states. As reported by the legal website Justia, “Since the admission of Tennessee in 1796, Congress has included in each State’s act of admission a clause providing that the State enters the Union ‘on an equal footing with the original States in all respects whatever.’”

An issue very similar to that in Cliven Bundy’s situation was at the heart of a Supreme Court case of Pollard’s Lessee v. Hagan, decided in 1845. Justia provides a short, helpful summary of the events:

Pollard’s Lessee involved conflicting claims by the United States and Alabama of ownership of certain partially inundated lands on the shore of the Gulf of Mexico in Alabama. The enabling act for Alabama had contained both a declaration of equal footing and a reservation to the United States of these lands.

Rather than an issue of mere land ownership, the Court saw the question as one concerning sovereignty and jurisdiction of the States. Inasmuch as the original States retained sovereignty and jurisdiction over the navigable waters and the soil beneath them within their boundaries, retention by the United States of either title to or jurisdiction over common lands in the new States would bring those States into the Union on less than an equal footing with the original States.

This, the Court would not permit.

“Alabama is, therefore, entitled to the sovereignty and jurisdiction over all the territory within her limits, subject to the common law, to the same extent that Georgia possessed it, before she ceded it to the United States.

To maintain any other doctrine, is to deny that Alabama has been admitted into the union on an equal footing with the original states, the constitution, laws, and compact, to the contrary notwithstanding….

[T]o Alabama belong the navigable waters and soils under them, in controversy in this case, subject to the rights surrendered by the Constitution to the United States; and no compact that might be made between her and the United States could diminish or enlarge these rights.” [Emphasis added.]

So, regardless of the BLM’s — and by extension, the Obama administration’s — insistence that Nevada’s land was ceded to the federal government when Nevada became a state in 1864, the Constitution, common law, and relevant Supreme Court rulings have found otherwise.

The bottom line, then, is that Nevada owns the land where Cliven Bundy’s cattle fed, and Bundy — who has preemptive rights for his cattle to feed there — has faithfully and fully paid that landlord the rent he owed it.

Tyranny is when the government ignores the people, abuses them, and ignores the law while enriching it’s elitist leaders.

oscarwilde on April 16, 2014 at 10:10 PM

ARTICLE V Convention or Bloodshed.

We are down to that.

But if there is to be a Revolution, God, please let it happen in my time so that my children may live in peace.

ConstantineXI on April 16, 2014 at 10:10 PM

They punched holes in water tanks,, in the desert.

Let me do that to the tanks “humane borders” puts out for the illegals on fed land and see how they cry.

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Still no sign of flight MH370???

oscarwilde on April 16, 2014 at 10:13 PM

What would happen if a hundred other people each put a hundred head of cattle on the same property?

Oh, that’s funny. Obviously written by someone who knows nothing about running cattle.

climbnjump on April 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Greetings!
Work begins in T minus 11hrs 15 minutes and counting….

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Did the feds have some other use for the grass his cows ate?

Or would it have just sat there unused?

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:15 PM

They punched holes in water tanks,, in the desert.

Let me do that to the tanks “humane borders” puts out for the illegals on fed land and see how they cry.

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Time for vigilantes to start doing exactly that.

And dropping caltrops on the other side of the wall for illegals to land on and be wounded…

ConstantineXI on April 16, 2014 at 10:15 PM

Really?

KCB on April 16, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Having a little premature posting issue are we Ken? <— Insert evil laughter here…

oscarwilde on April 16, 2014 at 10:16 PM

MMMMMMM! Beef…..

KCB on April 16, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Having a little premature posting issue are we Ken? <— Insert evil laughter here…

oscarwilde on April 16, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Apparently.

KCB on April 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Harry Reid and then his son Cory both say we can’t have citizens ignoring the rule of law.

Isn’t that what O does and Harry helps him every time you turn around?

CoffeeLover on April 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Aside from terrorizing their cattle during calfing (sp?) season, killing those 2 bulls was just brutal. They also destroyed a lot of the infrastructure for this ranch.

Bundy may be wrong, but this government is so out of control.

CoffeeLover on April 16, 2014 at 10:06 PM

I hope the Bundys send the government a bill for the damage. It ought to come to about what they say the Bundys owe. Better yet send it to Dingy Harry.

crankyoldlady on April 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM

And not so long ago…

The left was yelling…

Halliburton!!!!!

Electrongod on April 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM

MMMMMMM! Beef…..

KCB on April 16, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Beef… It’s what used to be for dinner… <— Insert sad look here…

oscarwilde on April 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Did the feds have some other use for the grass his cows ate?

Or would it have just sat there unused?

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:15 PM

You mean unused kinda like oil in the ground under federal land? That kind of unused?

climbnjump on April 16, 2014 at 10:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyE4CLM0QIA

This is Barack Obama’s National Anthem.

Fleetwood Mac “Little Lies”

ConstantineXI on April 16, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Evenin’.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:18 PM

that’s funny. Obviously written by someone who knows nothing about running cattle. climbnjump on April 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Not to mention he’s the only one left.

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Please fasten your seat belts and keep your hands and feet inside the ride….

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:19 PM

If you build it…
They will come…

And round it up…
Kill it…
Then leave…

Electrongod on April 16, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Please fasten your seat belts and keep your hands and feet inside the ride….

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Party pooper… <— Insert devious laughter here…

oscarwilde on April 16, 2014 at 10:20 PM

What would happen if a hundred other people each put a hundred head of cattle on the same property?

Oh, that’s funny. Obviously written by someone who knows nothing about running cattle.

climbnjump on April 16, 2014 at 10:14 PM

In the big city they would build a high rise barn to house them.

RickB on April 16, 2014 at 10:20 PM

Good evening ladies and whatever. I bought a cell phone at Walmart and when I opened it there was no battery. Guess what. You can’t find or get in touch ith Verizon. Anyway I gave up on the phone and I’m taking it back to Walmart.

crankyoldlady on April 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Lies – The Knickerbockers

RickB on April 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Hey ALT. ;)

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Paul McCartney will be starting his 2014 US tour from…Lubbock.
He has a pretty cool reason for doing so.

Let’s see how many of y’all know what that reason is.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM

In the big city they would build a high rise barn to house them.

RickB on April 16, 2014 at 10:20 PM

And put the cows on the 40th floor, and make them walk up and down every day.

oscarwilde on April 16, 2014 at 10:22 PM

What would happen if a hundred other people each put a hundred head of cattle on the same property?

Why do you care…?

It doesn’t hinder your ability to tritter..

Facebook….

Or roam the asphalt world that is yours…

Electrongod on April 16, 2014 at 10:22 PM

Let’s see how many of y’all know what that reason is.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Your Midwest Chicago twang is showing…

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Paul McCartney will be starting his 2014 US tour from…Lubbock.
He has a pretty cool reason for doing so.

Let’s see how many of y’all know what that reason is.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM

He really like cow shit?

oscarwilde on April 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM

And dropping caltrops on the other side of the wall for illegals to land on and be wounded…

ConstantineXI on April 16, 2014 at 10:15 PM

I honestly don’t think you really mean that.

HonestLib on April 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM

https://www.facebook.com/bundyranch

katy the mean old lady on April 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Hi ya’ll. Took tween and tween friends to the mall today… I may need a drink. Who’s buying?

kringeesmom on April 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM

I’ve got the Triduum the next 3 days-so y’all aren’t likely to see much of me until Easter evening after tonight

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM

This sums up the entire 1960′s “New Left” movement.

Liar Liar, Pants on Fire

ConstantineXI on April 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Hi ya’ll. Took tween and tween friends to the mall today… I may need a drink. Who’s buying?

kringeesmom on April 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM

You’re a saint.

crankyoldlady on April 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

I honestly don’t think you really mean that.

HonestLib on April 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Caltrops wouldn’t be fatal. But they’d teach a lesson.

As long as crossing our border illegally is painless it will continue to be done with impunity.

ConstantineXI on April 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Hi ya’ll. Took tween and tween friends to the mall today… I may need a drink. Who’s buying?

kringeesmom on April 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Drinks on me…

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

oscarwilde on April 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM

hah.
It has to do with why that group that he was in-the first one, not Wings-was named the way it was.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

I’ve got the Triduum the next 3 days-so y’all aren’t likely to see much of me until Easter evening after tonight

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:24 PM

What’s a Triduum, Twerp?

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:26 PM

McCartney has a ranch in the Rincon Mts. just west of here.

Bet he can graze his cattle. He’s surrounded by fed land.

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:26 PM

A musical lesbian abomination:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vgVj3P7cwI

ConstantineXI on April 16, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Good evening ladies and whatever. I bought a cell phone at Walmart and when I opened it there was no battery. Guess what. You can’t find or get in touch ith Verizon. Anyway I gave up on the phone and I’m taking it back to Walmart.

crankyoldlady on April 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Nuts. I wanted to give you a call to see if you’re really cranky.

climbnjump on April 16, 2014 at 10:28 PM

A Passover thang?

John the Libertarian on April 16, 2014 at 10:28 PM

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:26 PM

3 days of Holy week-Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, and Easter Vigil.
I’m going to Mass after work on all 3 days.
The Masses start @ 1900 or later-and all of them (especially Easter Vigil) run longer than normal masses. I won’t get home until late.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:28 PM

Regarding my question-think Beatles.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:29 PM

Buddy Holly – Not fade away

kcewa on April 16, 2014 at 10:29 PM

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:26 PM

You are obviously not Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox or Episcopalian…

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:30 PM

The smell of daffodils always takes me back to Easter mass. They always had spring flowers on the altar.

crankyoldlady on April 16, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Buddy Holly – Not fade away

kcewa on April 16, 2014 at 10:29 PM

VERY warm. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Crickets….

kcewa on April 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Meanwhile, a rapper cut off his talliwacker and leaped two stories to his death — but survived!

John the Libertarian on April 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Why do you care…? It doesn’t hinder your ability to tritter.. Facebook…. Or roam the asphalt world that is yours… Electrongod on April 16, 2014 at 10:22 PM

Heh..

Drinking a big gulp in NY doesn’t hurt anyone either.

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM

crankyoldlady on April 16, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Wasn’t aware daffodils had an odor…

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:26 PM

3 days of Holy week-Maundy Thursday, Good Friday, and Easter Vigil.
I’m going to Mass after work on all 3 days.
The Masses start @ 1900 or later-and all of them (especially Easter Vigil) run longer than normal masses. I won’t get home until late.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:28 PM

Ah, Ok. I should probably know that, since I’m Episcopalian. You know, Catholic Lite–all the drinking, none of the Latin.
But maybe such things are known only to Catholic Jewish Texans with a Chicago accent…:)

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:32 PM

And yes, OC, I am Episcolpalian. LOL. Just forgetful….

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Regarding my question-think Beatles.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:29 PM

It’s where Rocky Raccoon hails from.

John the Libertarian on April 16, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:32 PM

I knew what it was and I am Lutheran. All of the liturgical churches do it…

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:33 PM

I am hereby registering my disgust with Glenn Beck after today he called the people in the viral Bundy video from last week of being national-socialist fascists. Glenn’s allegation on his TV show appear to be to me unfounded, absurd and inexcusable. I think Glenn is trying to elevate himself by falsely accusing others and has accomplished the opposite. It’s one thing to advocate pacifism, even though I’m not one I’ve always respected true pacifists, but making false allegations against those people in order to turn his audience against them is wrong. I’m sure that some of the criticism that Glenn has received from Bundy supports has been equally unfair, but that doesn’t excuse Glenn’s misconduct, IMO.

FloatingRock on April 16, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Regarding my question-think Beatles.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:29 PM

The Beatles were going to originally be named the Bovines?

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:34 PM

George Benson, Give Me The Night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imYJpr09IgQ

ConstantineXI on April 16, 2014 at 10:35 PM

You’re a saint.

crankyoldlady on April 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Got some chores out of them first.

Drinks on me…

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Thanks much. I’ll have a double.. Tween friends are sleeping over til Friday. They are dying tween’s hair teal.

kringeesmom on April 16, 2014 at 10:36 PM

Drinking a big gulp in NY doesn’t hurt anyone either.

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM

:)

I don’t think big gulps graze the range…

But I could be wrong….

Electrongod on April 16, 2014 at 10:36 PM

Lubbock is back in the USSR?

John the Libertarian on April 16, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Crickets….

kcewa on April 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM

BINGO!

In England, crickets are called ‘beetles’.
The Beatles were named that way as a tribute to Buddy Holly and the Crickets. Buddy Holly was from Lubbock and the Crickets were either from Lubbock or nearby cities.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:37 PM

OOPS!!!!

What if Bundy Ranch Were Owned by a Bunch of Black People?
April 15 2014 5:41 PM
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Somehow, given the degree to which right-wing media traffic in racial paranoia, I think we’d be looking at a different situation if the Bundy Ranch belonged to a bunch of black people. And as someone who closely follows the regular incidents of lethal police violence against blacks and Latinos, I also wonder whether law enforcement would be as tepid against a group of armed African-Americans. Judging from past events, I’m not so sure.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/04/15/bundy_ranch_and_bureau_of_land_management_standoff_what_right_wingers_anger.html

canopfor on April 16, 2014 at 10:37 PM

kringeesmom on April 16, 2014 at 10:36 PM

What is teal?

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM

Doc Holliday on April 16, 2014 at 10:32 PM

After 3 years, I can ‘fake’ a passable Lubbock accent.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM

The South will Rise AGAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YWGuwtsskU
Hank Jr.

ConstantineXI on April 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:28 PM

I’ll look for you…

dpduq on April 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM

What is teal?

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM

Bluish green or greenish blue.

crankyoldlady on April 16, 2014 at 10:39 PM

dpduq on April 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM

????

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:39 PM

Government as Crime Syndicate Under Obama
Politicized and Weaponized Agency By Agency

VorDaj on April 16, 2014 at 10:40 PM

Judging from past events, I’m not so sure.

canopfor on April 16, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Liberals making more stuff up. I’m sure the BLM thugs would have backed off hundreds of Black Panthers armed to the teeth and ready for a gunfight.

John the Libertarian on April 16, 2014 at 10:40 PM

Much hissing and growling going on around here. Ratso just went and attacked poor Kitten who was in a deep slumber…

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Have any of y’all seen this name before.

dpduq on April 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM

I don’t recognize it.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Much hissing and growling going on around here. Ratso just went and attacked poor Kitten who was in a deep slumber…

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Get him a string and distract him

crankyoldlady on April 16, 2014 at 10:42 PM

In England, crickets are called ‘beetles’.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 16, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Oh for Pete’s sake! What do they call “beetles” then? Talliwackers?

John the Libertarian on April 16, 2014 at 10:42 PM

What is teal?

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM

Bluish green or greenish blue.

crankyoldlady on April 16, 2014 at 10:39 PM

That ain’t a hair color, is it?

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:42 PM

What is teal?

OmahaConservative on April 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM

Teal.

climbnjump on April 16, 2014 at 10:42 PM

canopfor on April 16, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Wouldn’t expect anything less from someone named Jamelle Boiue.

Barred on April 16, 2014 at 10:42 PM

floatingRock on April 16, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Ditto. Little to self righteous for me.

He can talk Ghandi and MLK all he wants, moving to TX and paying someone to take care of a few cows you bought doesn’t give you insight. Besides, Beck has security. Retired SEALS.

Cliven Bundy doesn’t.

wolly4321 on April 16, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,…..land grabbers……

Retweeted by BLMNational
Sally Jewell ‏@SecretaryJewell Apr 15

Thank you @tpl_org for 6,000 acres of CA coast & redwoods which are now @BLMNational public lands! SJ pic.twitter.com/A8MF4ucgOp

https://twitter.com/SecretaryJewell/status/456122046947131392/photo/1/large

https://twitter.com/BLMNational

canopfor on April 16, 2014 at 10:43 PM

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