Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on April 16, 2014 by Allahpundit

Federal officials appear to be waiting out Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and his supporters.

Two days after a dispute over grazing rights, cattle and $1 million in fees and fines threatened to spin into a Wild West shootout, officials with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) promised they weren’t finished with Bundy.

“The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially,” BLM Director Neil Kornze said in a statement that followed the bureau’s decision to release nearly 400 head of Bundy’s cattle that had been seized as part of a fight over grazing fees…

“They can afford to play the long game,” said McCarthy, who suggested the government could wait six months or longer for its next action.

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The simmering truce between the Bundys and the Bureau of Land Management comes after high-profile raids last year by armed federal agents on small-time gold miners in tiny Chicken, Alaska, and guitar makers at the Gibson Guitar facilities in Tennessee.

That doesn’t include more subtle threats, such as recent efforts by the Obama administration to raise grazing fees or pressure permit holders to transfer their water rights as a condition of renewal, said Ryan Yates, director of congressional relations for the American Farm Bureau.

“Some have called it a culture of intimidation,” Mr. Yates said. “It’s issue after issue, threat after threat. It’s becoming harder and harder to keep those operations in business.”

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This Wednesday, DeLemus remains in Nevada. He is now running the makeshift “militia” of conservatives protecting the ranch, some of whom are armed with handguns and rifles. DeLemus said about 100 conservative activists are still there, three days after federal agents returned hundreds of cattle they had taken from the ranch.

To DeLemus and these other activists, the Bundy ranch standoff is one of their most important fights yet over what they consider to be an oppressive federal government.

“We are willing to give our lives,” he said in a phone interview…

“Lawlessness,” DeLemus said of the situation. “You look that up in the dictionary, and you’ll see the definition of our government right beside it. They all are. Congress, both houses, and the White House.”

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He is a squatter, a right-wing version of the dreadlocked freegan who sets up living quarters in an abandoned building in Brooklyn. If everyone did as Bundy does, the concept of property rights would be diminished.

Testing Bundy’s claim is simple. If he has a right to do what he is doing on public land to which he does not have title, then so should you and I. What would happen if a hundred other people each put a hundred head of cattle on the same property? The grass would run out; every animal would, eventually, starve…

That said, Bundy’s truculence has created one positive outcome. It has focused the wider public’s attention on a fact that few in America’s urban centers have to grapple with: that in most of the largest states of the union, an enormous amount of land is publicly owned, and under the control of an alphabet soup of federal agencies…

Bundy has argued that the property under control of the BLM really belongs to the state government of Nevada. This is a dubious argument regarding the law as it is, but as a policy suggestion, it’s not so bad. States have an incentive to make productive use of these lands, and they are closer to the people who those land-use decisions affect. And there are also solid legal arguments for it. As a recent Federalist Society paper has pointed out, it seemed the agreements under which Western states were admitted to the union intended for many of these lands to be turned over to state or private ownership.

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“The situation in Nevada stands as an example [of] the federal agencies’ steady trend toward elevating environmental and wildlife issues over livestock grazing,” the ["Nevada Cattlemen's Association] said. “Well-­intentioned laws such as the Endangered Species Act … are being implemented in a way that are damaging to our rights and to our Western families and communities.”

The cattlemen’s group added that ranchers such as Mr. Bundy have had their “backs against the wall as, increasingly, federal regulations have infringed on their public land grazing rights and the multiple-use [land] management principle.”

“This is not only devastating to individual ranching families; it is also causing rural communities in the West to [wither] on the vine,” the group said.

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“They’re just thieves,” he said.

“Over the last 55 years I’ve watched with an eagle eye, I’ve watched them wipe out thousands of small miners, thousands of small farmers,” he said. “They’ve basically wiped out the family farm.”

The Bundys lost in court because the federal government has held title to the land since 1838. The BLM did not begin managing the land until 1946, when the agency was founded. Believing the agency doesn’t have Nevada’s interest at heart, the Bundys want the land to be ceded to the state, and are hopeful their state government will work to make that happen.

“I think our state elected officials are going to completely take over from here,” Ammon Bundy told the Washington Free Beacon. “And they’re going to protect the people in most areas, and in ones that won’t, they’ll be replaced.”

“We’re gonna get this right,” he said. “It’s going to take a little bit of time, but we’re gonna get it right.”

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The Obama Administration was not unique, however, in its eager, early, and extended embrace of policies anathema to the American West. On that score it followed the examples of the presidencies of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, both of whom heeded the demands of those President Reagan called “environmental extremists” or “modern-day Luddites.”

In the late 1970s, Carter’s “War on the West” spawned the Sagebrush Rebellion, which Governor Reagan welcomed by saying, “I am a Sagebrush Rebel.” Reagan, as governor of California, a vast public-lands state (nearly half is federally owned), knew what most Americans do not; that the federal government owns a third of the country. Most of that land is in the eleven western States and Alaska. In rural western counties, Washington owns upward of 60, 70, 80, and even 90 percent of the land…

Little wonder that there is talk of another Sagebrush Rebellion, that Utah has passed enabling legislation to secure title to federal lands it needs for its citizens, an effort in which other States have joined to one degree or another, and that legislation proposed by Representative Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) to sell 3.3 million acres of federal land deemed by the Clinton Administration as “suitable for disposal” was reported out of committee…

Westerners know they could do better.

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The underlying assumption of our belief in the rule of law is that we are talking about law in the American tradition: provisions that obligate everyone equally and that are enforced dispassionately by a chief executive who takes seriously the constitutional duty to execute the laws faithfully. The rule of law is not the whim of a man who himself serially violates the laws he finds inconvenient and who, under a distortion of the “prosecutorial discretion” doctrine, gives a pass to his favored constituencies while punishing his opposition. The rule of law is the orderly foundation of our free society; when it devolves into a vexatious process by which ideologues wielding power undertake to tame those whose activities they disfavor, it is not the rule of law anymore…

When law becomes a politicized weapon rather than a reflection of society’s shared principles, one can no longer expect it to be revered in a manner befitting “political religion.” And when the officials trusted to execute law faithfully violate laws regularly, they lose their presumption of legitimacy.

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If we are to have the rule of law, then, by all means, let’s have the rule of law: Shut down those federal subsidies and IRS penalties in states that did not create their own exchanges under the Affordable Care Act — the law plainly does not empower the federal government to treat federal exchanges identically to state exchanges. And let’s enforce the ACA’s deadlines with the same scrupulosity with which the IRS enforces its deadlines. Let’s see Lois Lerner and a few hundred IRS employees thrown in the hole for their misappropriation of federal resources, lying to Congress, etc. — and let’s at least look into prosecuting some elected Democrats for suborning those actions. And if you want to get to the real problem with illegal immigration, let’s frog-march a few CEOs, restaurateurs, and small-time contractors off to prison for violating our immigration laws — and they can carry a GM product-safety manager and a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration executive under each arm. Let’s talk about enumerated powers.

Tell you what: We can have a nice, interesting debate about the rule of law — but not while Lois Lerner is at large and Charlie Rangel is a prominent feature of public life. Not until a guy who owns a car lot in Waxahachie gets the same deal on his back taxes that Tim Geithner did. But I have the strangest feeling that a great many residents of Washington would not fare especially well under any robust interpretation of the rule of law. It all makes you not want to think too hard about the fact that President Obama has ordered the assassination of more than one U.S. citizen with no obvious legal authority for doing so.

Cliven Bundy may very well be a nut job, but one thing is for sure: The federal government wouldn’t treat a tortoise the way it has treated him. Harassing a tortoise is a federal offense. But harassing the country? That’s federal policy.

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That there is a point beyond which the state may not advance without expecting legitimate pushback is acknowledged by even the most committed of the state’s enablers. Indeed, this principle is baked into America’s instruction manual — albeit with a caveat. “Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive,” the Declaration reads, “it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.” But it also chides the hotheaded among us, inviting us to remember that “prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes.” As far as we know, Bundy is not set on starting a revolution. (Although any shots fired would, certainly, have been heard around the world.) But then he isn’t set on civil disobedience as we understand it, either. There is a compact that governs disobedience, and it might be said to follow an old Spanish proverb: “Take what you want but pay for it.” Bundy did not ready himself for prison in order to make a point, but hoped that his obstinacy would lead to a direct change in policy with no consequences to himself. He wished, in other words, to win — nothing more, nothing less. That, in a vacuum, his winning looks good to limited-government types such as myself remains beside the point. If he can opt out, who cannot?

Setting out to make “the case for a little sedition,” my colleague Kevin Williamson ended up making a whole lot more, relying for his rhetorical firepower on wholesale revolutionaries Mohandas Gandhi and George Washington — men, lest you forget, who succeeded in bringing down the existing order in its entirety. “Mr. Bundy’s stand should not be construed as a general template for civic action,” Williamson writes, thereby demonstrating the problem rather neatly: When you change the government, you do not need to worry about setting a precedent; when you merely disobey it, you are setting yourself above a system that remains in force. Respectfully, I would venture that Williamson is here suggesting that he is to be the arbiter of legitimate rebellion — a peculiar position for a libertarian concerned with the integrity of the political process to adopt…

As government expands and civil society retreats, bad laws pile atop bad laws, and the cause for dissent is magnified and deepened. Cliven Bundy has been dealt a raw hand by a system that is deaf to his grievances and ham-fisted in its response. But this is a republic, dammit — and those who hope to keep it cannot pick and choose the provisions with which they are willing to deign to comply.

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I bet who ever laid the string out…was a redhead…
sounds to me that this is where the word ‘trap’ comes from..
not clue..

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 3:47 AM

kcewa on April 17

didn’t the dead have a flying turtle tune somewhere??

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 3:52 AM

I bet who ever laid the string out…was a redhead…
sounds to me that this is where the word ‘trap’ comes from..
not clue..

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 3:47 AM

Actually, in this story, the Princess rescues him. It’s quite the modern and feminist fairy tale. It’s problem is that it has overt Christian vibes, and the author, George MacDonald, was something of a heretic. So neither saints nor sinners are quick to hold him up.

LifeForce – Space Vampires

^ Weird space stuff I found.

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 4:03 AM

Terrapin Station

kcewa on April 17, 2014 at 4:04 AM

terrapin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cZC-1r4kVk

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 4:05 AM

lol — @Spark

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 4:05 AM

George MacDonald, was something of a heretic. So neither saints nor sinners are quick to hold him up.
Axe on April 17, 2014 at 4:03 AM

I’ll hold him up

MacDonald was convinced that God does not punish except to amend, and that the sole end of His greatest anger is the amelioration of the guilty. As the doctor uses fire and steel in certain deep-seated diseases, so God may use hell-fire if necessary to heal the hardened sinner. MacDonald declared, “I believe that no hell will be lacking which would help the just mercy of God to redeem his children.” MacDonald posed the rhetorical question, “When we say that God is Love, do we teach men that their fear of Him is groundless?” He replied, “No. As much as they fear will come upon them, possibly far more. … The wrath will consume what they call themselves; so that the selves God made shall appear.”

He recognised the theoretical possibility that, bathed in the eschatological divine light, some might perceive right and wrong for what they are but still refuse to be transfigured by operation of God’s fires of love, but he did not think this likely.

kcewa on April 17, 2014 at 4:11 AM

I’ll hold him up

kcewa on April 17, 2014 at 4:11 AM

K. :)

If you haven’t read it, you’ll probably really enjoy The Princess and the Goblin, kids book notwithstanding.

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 4:16 AM

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 4:03 AM

eww..no wonder you don’t sleep at night…
turn on TCM .. watch “English without Tears”
b&w from 1944..
then the 28 Ben-Hur
and then the 33 “Dinner at Eight”
and then the 34 “The Thin Man”
tear off the knob man…
you’ll sleep better..
(ps…i hate ted.. but he does own great movie rights)

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 4:19 AM

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 4:03 AM

eww..no wonder you don’t sleep at night…
turn on TCM .. watch “English without Tears”
b&w from 1944..
then the 28 Ben-Hur
and then the 33 “Dinner at Eight”
and then the 34 “The Thin Man”
tear off the knob man…
you’ll sleep better..
(ps…i hate ted.. but he does own great movie rights)

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 4:19 AM

I go in there and start watching a movie, I can’t sit here and look busy. True, I spent ten minutes a little while ago surfing “British blonde cleavage” and “space vampires” — but I caught myself and escaped. I go in there, I’m baked. And right now, I’m half productive, but in five short minutes, barring a surprise appearance, I’ll be back in the zone for a long time. Longish. It’s totally a net positive.

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 4:35 AM

kcewa on April 17, 2014 at 4:11 AM

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 4:16 AM

*because there’s really no other book like it, I meant.

Axe on April 17, 2014 at 4:37 AM

let me get back on topic…
Cattle Ranchers and Ted Turner,,,heres one of ted places..
(notice he has his own off ramp)

https://www.google.com/maps/@44.7983864,-112.7441499,945m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 4:52 AM

Axe on April 17

you send me off to watch bad theater and lousy CG..
and your watching “British blonde cleavage”..
I see how you are now…
uhhh-mmm..

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 4:57 AM

more Ted ranches.. I am sure he uses BLM lands
and his taxes are up to measure…im sure of it…

http://www.tedturner.com/turner-ranches/turner-ranch-outfitting/

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 5:07 AM

Why do I get the feeling this will develop into another Ruby Ridge?

Brock Robamney on April 17, 2014 at 5:32 AM

8 hours of intolerable off topic chit chat. This isn’t the lonely hearts bbs people. Widen up or you will be reported.

Murphy9 on April 17, 2014 at 6:43 AM

8 hours of intolerable off topic chit chat. This isn’t the lonely hearts bbs people. Wisen up or you will be reported.

Murphy9 on April 17, 2014 at 6:43 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/04/16/duck-dynasty-event-deemed-offensive

davidk on April 17, 2014 at 6:37 AM

…it’s Lansing!…the city is run by morons!…they live off of the fines and gouging of the Michigan State student body!

KOOLAID2 on April 17, 2014 at 6:50 AM

8 hours of intolerable off topic chit chat. This isn’t the lonely hearts bbs people. Wisen up or you will be reported.

Murphy9 on April 17, 2014 at 6:43 AM

…you’ll get scales and smell like rotten fish!

KOOLAID2 on April 17, 2014 at 6:52 AM

Good Moring, Patriots! And, Trolls.

Here’s something to chew on.

How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.

– Ronald Reagan


My take:
America and Foreign Policy: We’ve Gone From “Ronnie Raygun” to “Steve Urkel”

kingsjester on April 17, 2014 at 7:03 AM

My take: America and Foreign Policy: We’ve Gone From “Ronnie Raygun” to “Steve Urkel”

kingsjester on April 17, 2014 at 7:03 AM

…1st President I got to vote for too!…and now I find he was the only one I could be proud of…I hope I get the chance again…in my lifetime!

KOOLAID2 on April 17, 2014 at 7:25 AM

I saw a clip of Harry Reid’s son that allegedly is involved with some sort of a scheme with the Chinese that requires this “public land” and is the underlying reason why the ranchers are being driven to extinction.

Hard as it is to believe. Rory Reid is even more creepy than Harry.

Happy Nomad on April 17, 2014 at 7:27 AM

Been commenting on another forum recently. It made me miss HotAir. The commenters on this site are definitely smarter than others.

bluegill on April 17, 2014 at 7:28 AM

Now off I go for the day!

bluegill on April 17, 2014 at 7:29 AM

…1st President I got to vote for too!…and now I find he was the only one I could be proud of…I hope I get the chance again…in my lifetime!

KOOLAID2 on April 17, 2014 at 7:25 AM

Ronald Reagan was my first time too! It was special. Unlike young folk in 2012 who should be doing the walk of shame for voting for a lazy stupid rat-eared tyrant.

Happy Nomad on April 17, 2014 at 7:29 AM

Good Moring, Patriots! And, Trolls.

Here’s something to chew on.

kingsjester on April 17, 2014 at 7:03 AM

You may have to update you usual greeting KJ. We seem to be pretty troll-free these days. At least until the next open registration.

Happy Nomad on April 17, 2014 at 7:31 AM

Happy Nomad on April 17, 2014 at 7:31 AM

Huh. Well, they either figured out that they can’t defend their fallen messiah anymore, or Ed and AP have been swinging the Stealth Ban Hammer.

I haven’t been around much. Things have looked pretty dead around here lately.

kingsjester on April 17, 2014 at 7:36 AM

But harassing the country? That’s federal policy.

Man, that’s the money quote, right there, for this obscene administration.

Cleombrotus on April 17, 2014 at 7:39 AM

So, we are to be ruled by the likes of LBJ , who came to power via deceased Texans voting in A,B,C, order for the old crook. Then he went on to high crimes and low crimes. Lies now a liar in dirty ground.

Or this current Chicago thug who hates U.S. all, Constitution included, rule of law for sure is on his hate list.

He and these Earth First commies will not let up, they will force a fight and words are a joke to them.

Pen all you will, try to out spend or out fraud vote them, it will be of no avial.

It is always the same, freedom is only yours if you are willing to fight for it. In fact think of all the wars the U.S. has sent young men to die for in other areas of the earth. Those fights with guns was for freedom. This bunch of the two party evil money and power cult in Washington D.C. is not going to turn loose via any court order seems to many of U.S.

They will keep on pushing until we push back.

Lies kill.

Truth is life.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 17, 2014 at 8:04 AM

Obama’s army of civilians is building; remember he wanted an army that was not military that he referenced in his speech on the road to the White House. The government purchased billions of hollow point ammo that is illegal for the military to use and police agencies are now getting military equipment like tanks. Here’s a partial list:

The U.S. Department of Education
The Bureau of Land Management (200 uniformed law enforcement rangers and 70 special agents)
The U.S. Department of the Interior
The U.S. Postal Inspection Service (with an armed uniformed division of 1.000)
The National Park Service (made up of NPS protection park rangers and U.S. Park Police officers that operate independently)
The Environmental Protection Agency (200 special agents)
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (224 special agents)
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

mixplix on April 17, 2014 at 9:00 AM

mixplix on April 17, 2014 at 9:00 AM

I had a Neighborhood Watch update in my email this morning. One of the first items in the message sent chills down my spine.

(The law enforcement officer’s name), a member of the SWAT & SNIPER team, spoke to us about the new “Concealed Carry” laws in Illinois.

Let me guess, how not to die in a police sniper attack for exercising your Constitutional rights?

Fallon on April 17, 2014 at 9:21 AM

Lies kill.

Truth is life.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 17, 2014 at 8:04 AM

This^

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Poll: Iowans Would Vote For Charles Koch Over Harry Reid By 42%-29% Margin…

Resist We Much on April 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM

That’s encouraging. Maybe that will help some of our Candidates that have been to Iowa recently. Can’t guess which ones tho:-)

T.W. Shannon, Candidate for Senate out of OK has been endorsed by Palin, Levin, Lee and now Cruz. Palin/Lee/Cruz will be attending a
Liberty Rally in Tulsa 4/24. Being a black Conservative, he’ll need all of the support he can get.

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Why should states have to ‘buy back’ land inside their sovereign borders? The fed govt should cede the land to the states. Nevada had to give up the land in order to become a state. They should have gotten it back from the feds a long time ago.

Kissmygrits on April 17, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Nevada had to give up the land in order to become a state. Kissmygrits on April 17, 2014 at 10:45 AM

I know that is what is being said, but that has never made any sense to me. Was Nevada the only territory that did that? Makes me wonder about other States now.

Sounds to me like the Feds just over the years took what Nevada didn’t give up originally.

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:43 AM

bluefox on April 17, 2014 at 11:43 AM

I found this at the BLM web page..
its their version of the BLM History from 1812-1946
“Sounds to me like the Feds just over the years took what Nevada didn’t give up originally.”
I believe you are correct here.

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/history/Westward.html

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 1:18 PM

here’s an interesting page that requires digging..
Nevada Land Records..
http://www.nv.blm.gov/LandRecords/find.php?town=0140S&range=0690E

goes back to 1880′s..

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM

This a turning point. Just the beginning.

flbill on April 17, 2014 at 9:52 PM

kcewa on April 17

didn’t the dead have a flying turtle tune somewhere??

going2mars on April 17, 2014 at 3:52 AM

….you mean “Terrapin Station”?

williamg on April 17, 2014 at 10:08 PM

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