Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on April 15, 2014 by Allahpundit

RORY REID, SON OF SEN. HARRY REID: We believe in a country in which we are subject to laws and you can’t just ignore the laws we don’t like. I think clearly if state and local prosecutors look at this more closely, they’re going to find that he broke the law and he should be prosecuted…

REID: He is not a victim and he’s not a hero. He’s been using that he doesn’t own for over 20 years and he didn’t pay. He broke the law. There are hundreds of ranchers throughout Nevada that conduct their profession honorably. There’s thousands of them throughout the country and when they have a dispute with the BLM they try to work it out.

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“You’ve got to find candidates who can win and then you don’t have to worry about Harry Reid,” said co-host Greg Gutfeld after lamenting the GOP’s choice of nominee to face Reid in his 2010 Senate reelection bid. “We don’t want to focus too much on this battle. We should see that the bigger battle is at the ballot box.”

Turning to Perino, co-host Eric Bolling asked if the rumors that Reid’s son had engaged a Chinese firm to build a solar plant on the disputed real estate or that a former Reid aide who now heads the Bureau of Land Management had any merit.

Perino said that the rumors about a solar plant were “debunked” and Reid’s former aide was confirmed by a bipartisan Senate majority. “There are good staffers out there,” Perino asserted.

“I think wishful thinking is one of conservatives’ worst enemies,” she added.

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TUCKER CARLSON: It was moving in an ugly direction and I think the Feds exacerbated it by showing up with snarling dogs and drawn weapons.That’s appropriate when you are dealing with a drug cartel, not an elderly rancher. On the other hand, the Bundys don’t have a legal case that I can see to be totally honest about it.

And this is public land, this is not land that they owned. And if you are going to use public land for profit, you have to pay for it. And they haven’t. And so the bottom line is this is something I think conservatives ought to remember, if you want a ranch without any impediment at all, you have to buy your own ranch. That is the essence, that is the core principle behind private property which undergirds conservatism.

I have a lot of sympathy for the Bundys. I think they were completely mistreated by the federal government. But I still think it’s important to point out that this land does not belong to them and that’s not a minor distinction, it’s the essence of private property. Sorry.

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[I]t is obvious that some activities are favored by the Obama administration’s BLM, and others are disfavored. The favored developments include solar and wind projects. No surprise there: the developers of such projects are invariably major Democratic Party donors. Wind and solar energy survive only by virtue of federal subsidies, so influencing people like Barack Obama and Harry Reid is fundamental to the developers’ business plans. Ranchers, on the other hand, ask nothing from the federal government other than the continuation of their historic rights. It is a safe bet that Cliven Bundy is not an Obama or Reid contributor.

The new head of the BLM is a former Reid staffer. Presumably he was placed in his current position on Reid’s recommendation. Harry Reid is known to be a corrupt politician, one who has gotten wealthy on a public employee’s salary, in part, at least, by benefiting from sweetheart real estate deals. Does Harry Reid now control more than 80% of the territory of Nevada? If you need federal authority to conduct business in Nevada–which is overwhelmingly probable–do you need to pay a bribe to Harry Reid or a member of his family to get that permission? Why is it that the BLM is deeply concerned about desert tortoises when it comes to ranchers, but couldn’t care less when the solar power developers from China come calling? Environmentalists have asked this question. Does the difference lie in the fact that Cliven Bundy has never contributed to an Obama or Reid campaign, or paid a bribe to Reid or a member of his family?…

So let’s have some sympathy for Cliven Bundy and his family. They don’t have a chance on the law, because under the Endangered Species Act and many other federal statutes, the agencies are always in the right. And their way of life is one that, frankly, is on the outs. They don’t develop apps. They don’t ask for food stamps. It probably has never occurred to them to bribe a politician. They don’t subsist by virtue of government subsidies or regulations that hamstring competitors. They aren’t illegal immigrants. They have never even gone to law school. So what possible place is there for the Bundys in the Age of Obama?

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The disproportionate nature of the government’s reaction to Bundy suggests this has less to do with delinquent grazing fees than it does with the selective assertion of raw governmental power — sending a message not just to Bundy or a disfavored group, but to America as a whole. The same federal government that deploys Bureau of Land Management shooters tricked out like SEAL Team 6 directs Border Patrol agents to flee from aggressive illegal immigrants. The same federal government that would fire and prosecute federal agents who physically restrain border-crossers sends agents to tase and sic German shepherds on ordinary Americans exercising First Amendment rights.

One can acknowledge that the government has the right — in fact, the responsibility — to enforce the law, yet object that this administration habitually enforces the law in a capricious, arbitrary, and discriminatory manner. They imperiously go after a Bundy while excusing scores of miscreants whose get-out-of-jail-free card is membership in a politically-correct class. They regularly waive legal requirements out of sheer political expediency. They fail to defend duly enacted statutes with which they, the enlightened, disagree.

One can concede that the federal government may take reasonable steps to (ostensibly) protect endangered species, but reject that such creatures should be given primacy over human beings humbly trying to earn a living. It’s a bit unsettling, to say the least, that this administration has displayed more resolve (and animosity) toward Clive Bundy than it has toward Vladimir Putin or Bashar al-Assad.

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Of course the law is against Cliven Bundy. How could it be otherwise? The law was against Mohandas Gandhi, too, when he was tried for sedition; Mr. Gandhi himself habitually was among the first to acknowledge that fact, refusing to offer a defense in his sedition case and arguing that the judge had no choice but to resign, in protest of the perfectly legal injustice unfolding in his courtroom, or to sentence him to the harshest sentence possible, there being no extenuating circumstances for Mr. Gandhi’s intentional violation of the law. Henry David Thoreau was happy to spend his time in jail, knowing that the law was against him, whatever side justice was on…

Harry Reid, apparently eager for somebody to play the role of General Dyer in this civil-disobedience drama, promises that this is “not over.” And, in a sense, it can’t be over: The theory of modern government is fundamentally Hobbesian in its insistence that where political obedience is demanded, that demand must be satisfied lest we regress into bellum omnium contra omnes. I myself am of the view that there is a great deal of real estate between complete submission and civil war, and that acts such as Mr. Bundy’s are not only bearable in a free republic but positively salubrious

If the conservatives in official Washington want to do something other than stand by and look impotent, they might consider pressing for legislation that would oblige the federal government to divest itself of 1 percent of its land and other real estate each year for the foreseeable future through an open auction process. Even the Obama administration has identified a very large portfolio of office buildings and other federal holdings that are unused or under-used. By some estimates, superfluous federal holdings amount to trillions of dollars in value. Surely not every inch of that 87 percent of Nevada under the absentee-landlordship of the federal government is critical to the national interest. Perhaps Mr. Bundy would like to buy some land where he can graze his cattle.

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As government grows ever-larger, majority rule becomes more consequential for minority populations. The regulatory state grows, and rural Americans are left with little recourse. The courts won’t overturn regulatory actions absent a clearly-identified liberty interest (with the law granting wide discretion to federal agencies), in many states legislatures are dominated by urban voting blocs, and — particularly in the West — massive federal ownership of land means the voice of the local farmer or landowner is diluted into meaninglessness within the larger national debate.

With few options left within conventional politics, rural Americans are beginning to contemplate more dramatic measures, such as the state secession movements building in Colorado, Maryland, California, and elsewhere. The more viable state secession movements aim to limit urban control by literally removing rural counties from their states and forming new states around geographic regions of common interests…

The long-term solution is simple to conceptualize but difficult to accomplish: de-escalate the stakes of our political disputes by limiting the power of government over American lives. Americans have always had profound differences, and we live together with those differences when victory for one side doesn’t mean inflicting real harm on the losers. But when victory for one side means the end of a way of life for the losers, instability can and will result.

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Beck said on his television program Monday that, according to PsyID, a company that monitors social media, between 10 and 15 percent of those who are taking a stand for Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy are “truly frightening” and “don’t care what the facts are; they just want a fight.” Beck likened them to “the right’s version of Occupy Wall Street.”

“Right now,” Beck continued on his radio program, “if you go to my Facebook page, you will see these people everywhere. They are the people that are full of anger and rage … The common theme seems to be, ‘I’m shocked at Glenn Beck. I always knew he was a fraud.’”…

“I want you to listen carefully to it, because I am planting my flag here,” Beck said. “If you are somebody that says ‘I’m for violence … I am angry and I’m not going to take it anymore, and I’m going to act on that anger,’ then I want you to go to my Facebook page and unfriend me. I want you to go to my newsletter page and I want you to unsubscribe. I want you to go to TheBlaze TV and I want you to cancel your subscription today.”


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Ratso!

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Taxed Enough Already!

KCB on April 15, 2014 at 10:42 PM

A Open letter to Glenn Beck.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

First grandchild born to our daughter yesterday, mother & daughter doing fine …

… so Hello to Everyone!

And <strong>Goodnight!

PolAgnostic on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

TEA bishoop?

Who is John Galt on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

PolAgnostic on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Congrats…

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:44 PM

They don’t have a chance on the law, because under the Endangered Species Act and many other federal statutes, the agencies are always in the right. And their way of life is one that, frankly, is on the outs. They don’t develop apps. They don’t ask for food stamps. It probably has never occurred to them to bribe a politician. They don’t subsist by virtue of government subsidies or regulations that hamstring competitors. They aren’t illegal immigrants. They have never even gone to law school. So what possible place is there for the Bundys in the Age of Obama?

^

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 10:45 PM

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

He shouldn’t have done that “carsforcauses” commercial. It preached everything he has preached against.

Who is John Galt on April 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM

TEA bishoop?

Who is John Galt on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Sigh… bishop is a washed up has been putz who can’t even tell when he is being Bishoped. It’s sad really… <— Insert evil laughter here…

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Wow… My latest post has been featured at Western Rifle Shooters blog… I am very humbled…

The Pig Trap

PointnClick on April 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM

The Pig Trap

PointnClick on April 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Going to read right now!

KCB on April 15, 2014 at 10:48 PM

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

He shouldn’t have done that “carsforcauses” commercial. It preached everything he has preached against.

Who is John Galt on April 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM

There are a lot of things he should never have done, putting his supposed principals up for sale was one of them.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 10:48 PM

First grandchild born to our daughter yesterday, mother & daughter doing fine …

… so Hello to Everyone!

And Goodnight!

PolAgnostic on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Congratulations.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Howdy.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM

RORY REID, SON OF SEN. HARRY REID: We believe in a country in which we are subject to laws and you can’t just ignore the laws we don’t like.

Rory needs to talk to Obama, Holder and his father.

bw222 on April 15, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Wow… My latest post has been featured at Western Rifle Shooters blog… I am very humbled…

The Pig Trap

PointnClick on April 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM

And congrats to you.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Sorry, Glenn, but the push back has to start somewhere. The Federal government is out of control.

John the Libertarian on April 15, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Congratulations, PolAgnostic!

John the Libertarian on April 15, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Ah yes, Dana peRINO!

bw222 on April 15, 2014 at 10:52 PM

My sister bought Ratso’s sister from a later litter last night. My niece named the kitten Bella. I sure hope Bella will be calmer than Ratso…

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:52 PM

I’ll Antwerp you! I’ll Antwerp the lot of ya!!

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 10:52 PM

PolAgnostic on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Congrats!

kringeesmom on April 15, 2014 at 10:52 PM

All 134 Times Harry Reid Has Mentioned Koch Brothers On Senate Floor
By: David Rutz, Washington Free Beacon

Harry, Harry, Harry,

Don’t you know you should never bite the hand that feeds you?

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 10:53 PM

First grandchild born to our daughter yesterday, mother & daughter doing fine …

… so Hello to Everyone!

And Goodnight!

PolAgnostic on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Congrats, grandpa. :)

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Sorry, Glenn, but violence may be the only thing left to us.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Greetings and Salutations!

tommy71 on April 15, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Wow… My latest post has been featured at Western Rifle Shooters blog… I am very humbled…

The Pig Trap

PointnClick on April 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Congrats, PointnClick!

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Why is HA belatedly covering Bundy now when they ignored it for so long?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:55 PM

“You’ve got to find candidates who can win and then you don’t have to worry about Harry Reid,” said co-host Greg Gutfeld after lamenting the GOP’s choice of nominee to face Reid in his 2010 Senate reelection bid.

The Las Vegas casino owners went all out to re-elect their hero and benefactor (Harry Reid) in 2010, including not only giving employees likely to vote for Reid time off, but also transportation to the polls.

bw222 on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Did anyone go look at the blood moon eclipse last night?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

So why are Hairy and Gory Greed commenting on this matter if they don’t stand to profit off selling Bundy’s Ranch to the Chinese ?

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Why is HA belatedly covering Bundy now when they ignored it for so long?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Too busy with Teh Ghey, Jeb Bush and Oboobie care, methinks.

Corporal Tunnel on April 15, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Did anyone go look at the blood moon eclipse last night?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Cloudy here. Clear tonight.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Did anyone go look at the blood moon eclipse last night?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

I did…

It was white…no blood…..

Electrongod on April 15, 2014 at 10:58 PM

A Open letter to Glenn Beck.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Stay away from the sharp knives. You may also want to invest in a white coat that you can tie in the back

Brock Robamney on April 15, 2014 at 10:58 PM

With Republicans like peRINO, Carlson and Beck, who needs Democrats?

bw222 on April 15, 2014 at 10:58 PM

I finally received my copy of Disinformation: Former Spy Chief Reveals Secret Strategies for Undermining Freedom, Attacking Religion, and Promoting Terrorism. Also, my regulated 10A power supply and high-definition webcam. So, basically,

<———- will be mostly over there.

Correct. Watching you from the left of your screen. Creepy, innit?

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Did anyone go look at the blood moon eclipse last night?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

It felt like the last day of David Letterman…

Change the channel…….

Electrongod on April 15, 2014 at 10:59 PM

A Open letter to Glenn Beck.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Wilde, indeed.

Jaibones on April 15, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Watching you from the left of your screen. Creepy, innit?

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Dude! Knock it off!

KCB on April 15, 2014 at 11:01 PM

The problem begins with the fact that the federal government owns way too much land in this nation, a point made by Sarah Palin more than once.

And all they do is let most of it lie useless.

predator on April 15, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Did anyone go look at the blood moon eclipse last night?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

It was white…no blood…..

Electrongod on April 15, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Around 1 am central time? Clear in Chicago.

Jaibones on April 15, 2014 at 11:01 PM

The problem begins with the fact that the federal government owns way too much land in this nation, a point made by Sarah Palin more than once.

And all they do is let most of it lie useless.

predator on April 15, 2014 at 11:01 PM

The government doesn’t OWN public land.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 11:03 PM

I meant to go out and look but forgot to, oh well…

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Did anyone go look at the blood moon eclipse last night?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

You damn straight I did. I laid in my pickup bed with a pillow and binoculars.

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Record low temperatures tonight.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Did anyone go look at the blood moon eclipse last night?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

It was raining too hard to see. Grrr. Tween woulda loved it.

kringeesmom on April 15, 2014 at 11:04 PM

All 134 Times Harry Reid Has Mentioned Koch Brothers On Senate Floor
By: David Rutz, Washington Free Beacon
Harry, Harry, Harry,

Don’t you know you should never bite the hand that feeds you?

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 10:53 PM

above should have been this.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Sorry, Glenn, but violence may be the only thing left to us.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Damn, you’re cranky. Maybe we should elect representatives who share our views, whadya say?

Jaibones on April 15, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Around 1 am central time? Clear in Chicago.

Jaibones on April 15, 2014 at 11:01 PM

No blood here in Idaho….
Well…except….

The spewing industrial waste plant…spewing glowing toxins into the stratosphere….

Electrongod on April 15, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Beck likened them to “the right’s version of Occupy Wall Street.”

Really ?
So these ranchers were doing drugs , raping women and crapping on BLM cars while consuming free food , booze and pot ?

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Character Assassination. Look for the Democreeps and their poodle press to turn this Bundy rancher into Ted Bundy. Chinese Solar Ninja Turtles are more important than some random ‘bitter-clinging dumb cowboy.’

Corporal Tunnel on April 15, 2014 at 11:05 PM

The spewing industrial waste plant…spewing glowing toxins into the stratosphere….

Electrongod on April 15, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Whu…in Idaho?!

Jaibones on April 15, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Damn, you’re cranky. Maybe we should elect representatives who share our views, whadya say?

Jaibones on April 15, 2014 at 11:04 PM

I hope you get that chance.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 11:07 PM

As of 2010, the federal government owned 27.7% of all state lands, including nearly or over 50% in Alaska, Arizona, Cali, Colo, Idaho, Nevada (81.1%), Oregon, Utah, and Wyoming.

predator on April 15, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Evening, OC and all HotAirans

Did anyone go look at the blood moon eclipse last night?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

I did. It was clear as a bell. Resisted the urge to howl.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 11:09 PM

“There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher’s grazing permit it says the following: “You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due.” The “mandatory” terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc.

The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this “contract” agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher’s permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%.

For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow – - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land.

Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand.

Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are “suspended,” but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of “suspended” AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy single-handedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.”

-Kena Lytle Gloeckner”

sharrukin on April 15, 2014 at 11:09 PM

As of 2010, the federal government owned 27.7% of all state lands, including nearly or over 50% in Alaska, Arizona, Cali, Colo, Idaho, Nevada (81.1%), Oregon, Utah, and Wyoming.

predator on April 15, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Actually, as long a property taxes exist, we’re paying them rent whether we ‘own’ the land or not.

Corporal Tunnel on April 15, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Resisted the urge to howl.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 11:09 PM

LOLZ!

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 11:10 PM

You can’t see an eclipse. That’s like saying you can see the Kenmore washer behind door number three. That was for you game show pikers to make it easy to understand.

SparkPlug on April 15, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Summary

The federal government owns roughly 635-640 million acres, 28% of the 2.27 billion acres of land in the United States. Four agencies administer 609 million acres of this land: the Forest Service (USFS) in the Department of Agriculture, and the National Park Service (NPS), Bureau of Land Management (BLM), and Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), all in the Department of the
Interior (DOI). Most of these lands are in the West and Alaska. In addition, the Department of Defense administers 19 million acres in military bases, training ranges, and more. Numerous other agencies administer the remaining federal acreage.

predator on April 15, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Senate Majority leader Harry Reid told reporters, “We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it.”

OK. Let’s give him an exemption, waiver, a delay, or amnesty!

If Dingy and his fellow Democrats can disregard the rule of law, why shouldn’t everyone else?

Resist We Much on April 15, 2014 at 11:13 PM

A Open letter to Glenn Beck.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

I have to agree. But a different slant on your criticism.

As much as I admire Beck, he’s getting close to the edge. He seems to be acting the part of the “medium” between God and “the people”. He has done, and continues to do, great things in communicating the plight of the country, but is at the point of blowing it imo.
Dry drunk obsesses with another high?

I hope I’m wrong. As I said, one of his huge admirers.

Mimzey on April 15, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Two weeks ago Bundy had no problems with permits or owing money because it was about a turtle. Then, when armed goons showed up it suddenly was about unpaid bills or something.

Why is it acceptable for the government to send paramilitary forces to protect either a turtle or to collect a bill?

The more these talking heads spew platitudes about “the law” and “lawbreakers”, the more they discredit their precious “law”.

Another Libertarian on April 15, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Actually, as long a property taxes exist, we’re paying them rent whether we ‘own’ the land or not.

Corporal Tunnel on April 15, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Thats exactly right, and a point I’ve tried to make for years with little response beyond a shrug of the shoulders.

If someone can take your property from you, based on not paying them not to, you don’t own the property.

Mimzey on April 15, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Whether Bundy is legally on solid ground or not, and even if it wasn’t because they were intimidated, it did my heart good to see the BLM storm troopers in full retreat.

predator on April 15, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Senate Majority leader Harry Reid told reporters, “We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it.”

Well, that doesn’t apply to Dingy!

(2) Co-Mingling Personal and Political Funds

In 2001 Reid paid cash for a $750,000 condominium at the Washington, DC Ritz-Carlton where he currently resides. When he subsequently (in 2002, 2004, and 2005) gave $3,300 in Christmas bonuses to the doorman and other support staff at his building, Reid, in contravention of federal election law, used money that he had acquired from campaign donations rather than his own separate funds.

Reid’s campaign falsely listed the bonuses as campaign “salary” expenditures for two of the years in question, and as a “contribution” for the other year. When news of Reid’s misappropriation of campaign funds became public in 2006, the senator’s office said that the listing as “salary” had been a “clerical error.” Added Reid:

“I am reimbursing the campaign from my own pocket to prevent this issue from being used in the current campaign season to deflect attention from Republican failures.”

You see, folks, that’s how it is done…and Dingy even makes it sound like a sacrifice to ‘reimburs(e) the campaign from (his) own pocket’ when it was a violation of Federal law in the first place.

He’s such a good and honest politician, who makes so many sacrifices for the American people. /

Bundy should just say that it was a ‘clerical error.’

Resist We Much on April 15, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Whu…in Idaho?!
Jaibones on April 15, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Being sarcastic….

Electrongod on April 15, 2014 at 11:19 PM

The more these talking heads spew platitudes about “the law” and “lawbreakers”, the more they discredit their precious “law”.

Another Libertarian on April 15, 2014 at 11:14 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/15/harry-reid-on-the-bundy-ranch-standoff-this-aint-over/comment-page-1/#comment-7932896

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Two weeks ago Bundy had no problems with permits or owing money because it was about a turtle. Then, when armed goons showed up it suddenly was about unpaid bills or something.

Another Libertarian on April 15, 2014 at 11:14 PM

It was of course not about the Tortoise.

“The most complete data is from the Beaver Dam Mountains. Woodbury and Hardy reported a tortoise population density of 150 per square mile in 1948. BLM reduced cattle grazing a few years later and eliminated cattle in 1970. Coombs reported a tortoise density of 39 per square mile in 1974. In these 26 years cattle use was reduced 100 percent and tortoise numbers were reduced 74 percent.

“These tortoises were doing so poorly a veterinarian, Dr. Jarchow, was consulted. He reported all six specimens were suffering from osteoporosis caused by a protein deficiency in their diet. Dr. Jarchow examined five specimens from the same mountains that shared their range with cattle. He reported these specimens were all healthy and well nourished.

“The historical record proves conclusively that tortoise thrive when cattle are on the range with them and without cattle grazing they are always malnourished and unhealthy and their numbers plummet.

sharrukin on April 15, 2014 at 11:20 PM

I hope you get that chance.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Might have to move to win an election. I live in the bankrupt commie State of ILL.

At one time, my elected representatives were:

Rod Baloneyvich
Dick Durbin
Carol Mostly Fraud
Jesse “Staples” Jackson, Jr.
Toddler Stroger

And the state Senate, House and County reps were just as crazy. I now have the great honor of having the worst RINO jackass in America as my GOP Senator, Mark Kirk. He’s about 5 votes a year better than Dickless Dick Durbin.

Jaibones on April 15, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Being sarcastic….

Electrongod on April 15, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Oops.

Jaibones on April 15, 2014 at 11:21 PM

First grandchild born to our daughter yesterday, mother & daughter doing fine …

… so Hello to Everyone!

And Goodnight!

PolAgnostic on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

I’m so happy for you, Pol, Dear Mrs Pol, Dear Daughter, Dear Son-in-law and Dear Baby Granddaughter! Congratulations!

[Sending Pol a LARGE box of cigars with pink "It's A GUUUUUURRRLL!!" bands...]

Newtie and the Beauty on April 15, 2014 at 11:21 PM

I have to agree. But a different slant on your criticism.

As much as I admire Beck, he’s getting close to the edge. He seems to be acting the part of the “medium” between God and “the people”. He has done, and continues to do, great things in communicating the plight of the country, but is at the point of blowing it imo.
Dry drunk obsesses with another high?

I hope I’m wrong. As I said, one of his huge admirers.

Mimzey on April 15, 2014 at 11:14 PM

I mostly agree with him but I’ve always thought he has issues. He has an addictive personality. I think he’s become addicted to religion. I only listen to him once in awhile in the car but I’m hardly ever in the car. I usually listen to oldies. I was listening once and he said he has a webcam always on at his house so he can watch his family although that could be because he’s nervous about security. His radio show is very entertaining.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 11:22 PM

First grandchild born to our daughter yesterday, mother & daughter doing fine …

PolAgnostic on April 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Congratulations to all!!!

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Harry Reid, apparently eager for somebody to play the role of General Dyer in this civil-disobedience drama, promises that this is “not over.”

So if he is waiting for Gen Dyer, does that make Hairy Greed the Viceroy of USA ?

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Harry Reid is a Flippin criminal with crusty ear wax. Did you see what RWM Ro just said?

SparkPlug on April 15, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Did anyone go look at the blood moon eclipse last night?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

I did…

It was white…no blood…..

Electrongod on April 15, 2014 at 10:58 PM

I’ll bet that made Sleazy Eric Holder hate it. Twice.

viking01 on April 15, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Jaibones on April 15, 2014 at 11:20 PM

I feel your pain. Too many down state republicans are mostly worthless as well. They merely await their share of the table scraps bequeathed to them by the Dems.

predator on April 15, 2014 at 11:24 PM

I cannot watch or listen to Glenn Beck. While I agree with him on most issues, he comes across as a kook and a freak…

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 11:26 PM

Wow… My latest post has been featured at Western Rifle Shooters blog… I am very humbled…

The Pig Trap

PointnClick on April 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Read that last night and it’s, as all your articles, incredibly detailed and well compiled. Thanks for sharing.

Congratulations on the pick up by the WRS blog.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:26 PM

Resist We Much on April 15, 2014 at 11:18 PM

um, ot/you may have missed this Saturday night. –for later, if/when you are in the mood. –and don’t miss part 2! link at the bottom. :)

Adventures in Bossier City

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 11:26 PM

Did anyone go look at the blood moon eclipse last night?

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

I did, and dragged Oldest Dear Son outside for company and enrichment. He liked the blood moon!

Ah-WOOOOOOOOO!!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 15, 2014 at 11:27 PM

“The historical record proves conclusively that tortoise thrive when cattle are on the range with them and without cattle grazing they are always malnourished and unhealthy and their numbers plummet.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZnCT14nRc

SparkPlug on April 15, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Why is it acceptable for the government to send paramilitary forces to protect either a turtle or to collect a bill?

The more these talking heads spew platitudes about “the law” and “lawbreakers”, the more they discredit their precious “law”.

Another Libertarian on April 15, 2014 at 11:14 PM

It’s not and there needs to be a serious backlash against the militarisation of not only our local police, but the Federal government’s ABC-department soup…at least, the states and locals have plenary powers. The Feds do not.

Why the fvck does the Dept of Education or the Post Office need millions of rounds of hollow-point bullets and paramilitary teams?

Of everything about the Bundy matter, this is the most outrageous.

You’d think that those on the Left, who cheered on ‘Django Dorner’ and scream bloody murder about cyber-spying and drones, would, at the very least, be besides themselves with the government’s unbelievable show of force. Sadly, too many of them are just like HotAirLib, who loved the fact that the IRS went after conservative and libertarian groups. They are against police use of excessive force, the death penalty, torture, and the use of any force to defend the nation’s security whether abroad or on the border, but a rancher and delinquent fee-payer? Blow ‘em up!

Resist We Much on April 15, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Ratso just came running through the house with a yogurt cup stuck over his face, he couldn’t see as it covered his eyes. LMAO…

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Axe, for your ‘education’ on things British :)

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:28 PM

“The historical record proves conclusively that tortoise thrive when cattle are on the range with them and without cattle grazing they are always malnourished and unhealthy and their numbers plummet.

sharrukin on April 15, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Must be all of that free manure, enriching the soil so plants can grow…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 15, 2014 at 11:30 PM

The Reid Thugs: Get off our desert!

d1carter on April 15, 2014 at 11:30 PM

I did, and dragged Oldest Dear Son outside for company and enrichment. He liked the blood moon!

Ah-WOOOOOOOOO!!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 15, 2014 at 11:27 PM

One of my favorite memories is when I was real little my father got me out of bed and stood me up in the window to see an eclipse. I had no idea what I was looking at but I remembered that he did that. My mother hovered in the background fussing about my being up late which is probably why he got me up. He wanted someone to share it with. My mother was no fun.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Think I’ll sleep in the basement tonight, the better half is setting the alarm for 4:30—somewhere to be at 6 AM——ungodly hour…

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 11:31 PM

I heard Al Sharpton owes over $1 million to the federal government int taxes and penalties. Harry and Rory make any comments about him?

d1carter on April 15, 2014 at 11:31 PM

I wonder if R.J. and J. Paul from “Swamp People” could make use of Harry as gator bait? At least he would finally serve a useful purpose.

predator on April 15, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Ratso just came running through the house with a yogurt cup stuck over his face, he couldn’t see as it covered his eyes. LMAO…

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 11:28 PM

They are a lot of fun. Mine are kind of boring now.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 11:33 PM

“The historical record proves conclusively that tortoise thrive when cattle are on the range with them and without cattle grazing they are always malnourished and unhealthy and their numbers plummet.

SparkPlug on April 15, 2014 at 11:27 PM

They likely eat cow dung. I’d love it if a ranger would shove some into Harry’s mouth. It would go well with his sunglasses.

What a goon he is. Shame on Nevada!!!

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Ratso just came running through the house with a yogurt cup stuck over his face, he couldn’t see as it covered his eyes. LMAO…

OmahaConservative on April 15, 2014 at 11:28 PM

YOUR cat, Ratso is something else, OC…sounds like it’s time to douse the trash can with cayenne pepper ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 15, 2014 at 11:33 PM

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