Harry Reid on the Bundy ranch standoff: This ain’t over

posted at 11:21 am on April 15, 2014 by Allahpundit

For once he’s right. John Hinderaker, who’s sympathetic to Bundy, nonetheless acknowledges that he doesn’t have a leg to stand on legally. Bundy’s theory, that land universally recognized for the past 150 years as belonging to the federal government really belongs to Nevada because it was never properly conveyed to the U.S., is DOA in court. He’ll lose his appeals and then, presumably, he’ll go on refusing to pay grazing fees to use the land. What should the feds do then? Given the publicity the case has drawn and the fact that the judiciary’s on his side, Obama can’t look the other way at Bundy’s continued defiance of the law. He’s happy to do that abroad with bad actors like Putin and Assad because Ukraine and Syria aren’t part of his jurisdiction. (Although fans of the world-policeman theory of foreign policy might disagree.) He can duck those messes, sort of. He can’t duck the one in Nevada, if only because letting Bundy off the hook there is bound to inspire copycat defiance elsewhere. So Reid’s right. This isn’t over.

My question is, how should the feds proceed once Bundy’s appeals are exhausted? What could they do to enforce the court’s order that won’t be treated as some sort of provocation by Bundy supporters? Seize his cattle that are on federal land? Let the cattle graze there but seize some of his assets to make him pay the grazing fee? (If they went the latter route, ranchers would then have a liability right to use federal land for their own purposes, which would interfere with the government’s plans for land use.) Watch the second clip below and you’ll find Glenn Beck taken aback by the violent rhetoric among some Bundy supporters, a portion of whom he thinks are clearly spoiling for a fight. Then watch the first clip, where one supporter is interviewed, and you’ll see why. (Another supporter, a former sheriff, spitballed on Fox News yesterday about placing women at the front of the protest crowd to maximize the PR damage to the feds in case shooting breaks out.) Remember, Bundy doesn’t recognize federal jurisdiction over the land at all; any interference with his cattle by the BLM, no matter how light a touch is used, will presumably be regarded by him and his fans as illegal and therefore worthy of resistance.

Maybe, since Bundy recognizes Nevada’s authority over the land, the feds could ask Nevada authorities to remove the cattle? Not sure the local cops would be up for that, though, partly because of the politics involved in siding with the feds against a native rancher and partly because it sets a precedent of doing the feds’ dirty work for them anytime someone raises an objection to federal authority. Besides, would that really appease Bundy? If the county commissioner shows up and tells him that it really is federal land, according to the government of Nevada, would that do it or would Bundy go on believing his own theory?



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It ain’t and won’t end well for Harry.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:24 AM

obama ordered the standoff closed, for now, due to Harry’s impertinence and troubles.

obama and the Ds couldn’t afford a massacre in Harry’s back yard, due to Harry and his goons.

I love this story. I love it a lot.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Media, most of you, RT and Drudge reported this story more than anyone.

Imagine if the gov’t goons wold have shot women and children and Putin would have used the images as propaganda against obama.

What an image to the world!

Meanwhile obama, the lilliputian, and Holder, the thug, preach “racism”.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:26 AM

It’s not over, but it’s on standstill until after the 2014 elections. They can’t afford to have Harry in handcuffs, as the maj. ‘leader’.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:27 AM

What should the feds do then?

Well, per the feds, this

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Show Bundy that he isn’t the only one being targeted by arresting all of the corrupt politicians, race baiters, illegal aliens, etc. We just can’t have American people ignoring the law.

BobK on April 15, 2014 at 11:28 AM

This case is two-pronged: legal and political.

obama is losing the latter, in a big way.

The images from last weekend were just the beginning.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Why does the Federal Government still own all this land in the first place. 76% if Nevada is government-owned, 48 million acres by BLM.

Why hasn’t this land been sold off long ago, into private, municipal, or state hands?

Byron on April 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

They’ll be back.

You can’t have the war on the American people distract from the war on women.

Ben Hur on April 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

RENO, Nev. (MyNews4.com & KRNV) — Senate majority leader Harry Reid hasn’t been very vocal about the cattle battle showdown in recent days, but says “it’s not over.”

Reid tells News4′s Samantha Boatman his take on the so-called cattle battle in southern Las Vegas. “Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid said.

Oh, no. We can’t have American people violate and just walk away from the law. Only illegal aliens have that privilege of walking away.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Why does the Federal Government still own all this land in the first place. 76% if Nevada is government-owned, 48 million acres by BLM.

Why hasn’t this land been sold off long ago, into private, municipal, or state hands?

Byron on April 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

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“Control” . . . . . and welcome back.

listens2glenn on April 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

If you have not watched “Enemies of the State”, the Fox special, you need to.

Bundy is but one man.

Face the Nation had crook Cummings on and Never even asked him about his illegal ‘investigation’ of the lady from Texas…when he sits on Issa’s committee, as vice-chair.

Media, suffocate, most all of you. You’re eating gov’t and obama chit, when it’s not Beluga caviar.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Harry is just upset that the Bundy’s aren’t into
Cowboy Poetry.

ToddPA on April 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Hey, Dingy, we’re keeping an eye on you.

crankyoldlady on April 15, 2014 at 11:34 AM

This story is no longer about desert tortoises and cows.

It’s about America.

Today is

T axed
E nough
A lready

Day.

Despise all the looters and moochers, with all you have. Otherwise join them.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Why doesn’t the Federal government just sell a bunch of land to pay down the debt? 650 million acres could bring in a LOT of money…

Mohonri on April 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Byron, your articles are always superb. Thank you for exposing the thugs and goons of the land.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I’m with Judge Napolitano on this:

“The draconian, authoritarian way that the government is going after Mr. Bundy is obviously to try and scare him, and scare ranchers, and send a message which is utterly un-American and not consistent with a free people,” Napolitano, a former New Jersey Superior Court judge, told “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday.

Napolitano said the proper procedure for resolving a dispute would be to file documents in the court system, not through the use of force by the government.

That said, it’s probably the tip of the iceberg of what this administration has planned for its’ perceived “enemies”.

tru2tx on April 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Be very wary of Glenn Beck, Roger Hedgecock and other assorted R azzholes, who claim to fight for “the law”.

These are charlatans who can’t hold more than one thought in one head. I hope they get chained up, first, ahead of the D-rats.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Hinderaker’s reporting is devastating.

30 miles away the concern over the desert tortoise is mostly ignored to build solar power plants. Because they’ll be moving the toitoises to areas like where the Bundy’s live and work.

This isn’t rule of law – this is political imperial favoratism and capricious application of the law.

gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 11:39 AM

For once he’s right. John Hinderaker, who’s sympathetic to Bundy, nonetheless acknowledges that he doesn’t have a leg to stand on legally.

I thought the leftist trolls and gheystapo are always telling us just because something is legal doesn’t mean it’s right or good.

Nutstuyu on April 15, 2014 at 11:40 AM

This entire event is nothing more than a modern western movie plot.

Ranchers being run off their land by a corrupt, money grubbing politician who uses his legislative power to take property from its rightful owners for personal gain.

Can we put Bundy in the role of The Duke here? Maybe akin to the “McClintock” character?

BobMbx on April 15, 2014 at 11:40 AM

RENO, Nev. (MyNews4.com & KRNV) — Senate majority leader Harry Reid hasn’t been very vocal about the cattle battle showdown in recent days, but says “it’s not over.”

Reid tells News4′s Samantha Boatman his take on the so-called cattle battle in southern Las Vegas. “Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid said.

Oh, no. We can’t have American people violate and just walk away from the law. Only illegal aliens have that privilege of walking away.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Hey, Harry, how about your own violations of the law? Say, not producing a budget for years even though Federal law says you must?

Bitter Clinger on April 15, 2014 at 11:40 AM

My question is, how should the feds proceed once Bundy’s appeals are exhausted?

Is Jan “the Man” Reno still alive and available for murdering innocents?

Maybe we can just wait for Killary to be elected POTUS so she can do her thing there …

ShainS on April 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Enforcement of borders or illegals…No

First Amendment Zones for Americans…Yes
Target IRS after conservatives…Yes
Ignore ACA Healthcare law…Yes
Etc…
Etc…

This is the beginning of the We The People pushback, and they know it…

That’s why every government agency from NOAA to the Post Office is stocking up on firearms and ammo…

PatriotRider on April 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Listen to this, how eloquent ranchers are.

PETA swine, the gov’t euthanized 1,500 desert tortoises…where are you on it?

PETA, many calves are without their mothers now, due to gov’t goons – where are you?

May you die of hypocrisy, you crooks.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:42 AM

This may be the tase heard ’round the world.

Hucklebuck on April 15, 2014 at 11:42 AM

So “equality before the law” means that Bundy should be able to marry a guy but not that he should get the same treatment from the BLM as well connected solar plant businesses?

Our endangered species laws are an abomination as well.

gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 11:42 AM

OT – Petty little man who happens to be the President wanted Dr. Carson to apologize for his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast last year

22044 on April 15, 2014 at 11:43 AM

This may be the tase heard ’round the world.

Hucklebuck on April 15, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Putin and the Russians watch it like hawks.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:43 AM

And what is Reid’s personal interest in the land?

conservative pilgrim on April 15, 2014 at 11:44 AM

“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid said.

No, that privilege is reserved for politicians, civil servants, lobbyists, and of course those officially designated by the Ruling Class as being allowed to violate the law.

Drained Brain on April 15, 2014 at 11:44 AM

This will not end well, especially after the Dollar collapses, the Fed takes over 401k’s, forces bond purchases, makes the private ownership of gold and silver illegal, and we start to have hyper inflation…

The country is going to go berserk…and they know it.

PatriotRider on April 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Why doesn’t the Federal government just sell a bunch of land to pay down the debt? 650 million acres could bring in a LOT of money…

Mohonri on April 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Nevada’s hidden ocean of radiation:

Over 41 years, the federal government detonated 921 nuclear warheads underground at the Nevada Test Site, 75 miles northeast of Las Vegas. Each explosion deposited a toxic load of radioactivity into the ground and, in some cases, directly into aquifers …

ShainS on April 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

The images from last weekend were just the beginning.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Yeah. Explaining how the image of snipers scoping on citizens outside of the established “First Amendment Zones” is good governance must be difficult.

Its reminiscent of Nicolae Ceaușescu and his idea of governing. BTW, he was executed along with his wife hours after fleeing his palace during a popular uprising in Romania. Eventually, the people get tired of being ruled.

BobMbx on April 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

It ain’t over till Harry Reid gets his kickback.

ConstantineXI on April 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

RENO, Nev. (MyNews4.com & KRNV) — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hasn’t been very vocal about the cattle battle showdown in recent days, but says “it’s not over.”

Reid tells News4′s Samantha Boatman his take on the so-called cattle battle in southern Las Vegas. “Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid said.

Senator Reid made his comments after the unveiling of four brand new battery-electric buses for the RTC fleet.

But we can have a gov’t that’s out of control, that can violate all laws, at will, a preezie who functions with “a pen and a phone”, in sunlight.

Go to Hell, all goons and thugs of the land.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

BUCK FARACK

Nutstuyu on April 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Another supporter, a former sheriff, spitballed on Fox News yesterday about placing women at the front of the protest crowd to maximize the PR damage to the feds in case shooting breaks out.

The Feds didn’t have a problem blowing the brains out of a mother fleeing with her child at Ruby ridge.

gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

How does the decision of U.S. v. Hage play into this?

cptacek on April 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Hinderaker’s reporting is devastating.

30 miles away the concern over the desert tortoise is mostly ignored to build solar power plants. Because they’ll be moving the toitoises to areas like where the Bundy’s live and work.

This isn’t rule of law – this is political imperial favoratism and capricious application of the law.

gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 11:39 AM

We may see this storyline in season 3 of HOC.

conservative pilgrim on April 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

ShainS on April 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Which, I must remind you, is where it came from to start with.

BobMbx on April 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Its reminiscent of Nicolae Ceaușescu and his idea of governing. BTW, he was executed along with his wife hours after fleeing his palace during a popular uprising in Romania. Eventually, the people get tired of being ruled.

BobMbx on April 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

This is something our current Tyrant should remind himself of.

ConstantineXI on April 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

And what is Reid’s personal interest in the land?

conservative pilgrim on April 15, 2014 at 11:44 AM

A land deal to the Chinese for the construction of a solar farm…references of this info was scrubbed off of the BLM website about a week or two ago…

Rory Reid is the attorney for the deal…
The new BLM head was a top Reid aide…

Wake up America…

PatriotRider on April 15, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Yeah. Explaining how the image of snipers scoping on citizens outside of the established “First Amendment Zones” is good governance must be difficult.

BobMbx on April 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

I loved the ranchers and assorted riding on horses, with the flags, descending down the paths…

But, it would have been something if the goons would have shot the women/children.

When that announcement was made, that they’ll put the women/children first in line, after the prayers, the gov’t backed off.

Russia Today, RT, reported it more accurately and in greater detail than the US media, for utter shame.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:48 AM

But we can have a gov’t that’s out of control, that can violate all laws, at will, a preezie who functions with “a pen and a phone”, in sunlight.

Go to Hell, all goons and thugs of the land.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Yeah – it’s rich hearing Reid opine about people breaking the law and then walking away. I’m sure he’s about to impeach Holder and Obama for committing much more egregious violations of the law than the Bundy’s.

gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 11:48 AM

It’s quite on ions that Harry Reid needs to be removed from office immediately.

KMC1 on April 15, 2014 at 11:48 AM

It’s not over. Harry Reid is right it is not over, not because of rule of law but because for the first time in my life I have actually seen Americans stand up to the Federal Government and the Feds blink. As far as Glenn Beck goes those cowboys out West did more in a week for the cause of liberty than any of his meaningless little marches, because the cowboys got actually results.

OliverB on April 15, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Obama can’t look the other way at Bundy’s continued defiance of the law.

Yeah but I heard Bundy say that he has a pen, and a phone… what am I missing here?

He’s happy to do that abroad with bad actors like Putin and Assad because Ukraine and Syria aren’t part of his

And waivers for cronies who don’t like 0b00baCare, and DOMA is not worthy of defense, and “my people” can’t be forced to obey election laws, and Fast and Furious, and the IRS, and let’s get as many homos in the military as we can, and America’s not a Christian nation but it is a Muslim nation, etc.

It cuts both ways, and whatever the merits of Bundy’s grievances: this situation got out of hand because the 0b00ba and federal govt are out of hand.

Reid’s apparent involvement in favor of a Chinese solar company, Reid’s son and staffer’s involvement as attorney for the Chinese and head of the BLM respectively, documents disappearing from BLM’s web site, 52 other ranchers in the area being run out of business, endangered turtles the gov is euthanizing, this thing stinks to high heaven in every respect.

It’s not enough to say “But it’s the law,” while it is enough to say, “Enough!”

George Washington broke more laws than Mr. Bundy ever will.

Akzed on April 15, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Ruh roh. l2g ain’t gonna like that.

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

The Feds didn’t have a problem blowing the brains out of a mother fleeing with her child at Ruby ridge.

gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

This, the Bundy siege, Waco, and last years Park Ranger closings of open air monuments should be a lesson: everyone in federal executive branch department uniform Is An Enemy.

ConstantineXI on April 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Oh, no. We can’t have American people violate and just walk away from the law. Only illegal aliens and politicians have that privilege of walking away.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Fixed for Accuracy

NOMOBO on April 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

From the always brilliant Mark Steyn:

So the blandly named “Bureau of Land Management” is managing an area the size of Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Portugal combined. Just in Nevada.

In total, the Bureau of Land Management rules over one-eighth of the land mass of the United States. That’s about the size of South Africa – or about three-sevenths of the G7: France, Germany and Italy combined.

You know the way governors like to say, “If California were a country…” or “if Texas were a country…” it would be the twelfth biggest economy in the world or whatever it is? If the Bureau of Land Management were a country, it would be the 26th biggest country in the world – out of 200 or so. Maybe that’s why the BLM needs such a lavishly equipped army (see picture above). Maybe it should join Nato and send a division or two to protect the Baltic states.

If BLM were Microsoft or Standard Oil, there’d be an anti-trust investigation. Instead, the BLMpire is the biggest collective farm in history, beyond the wildest dreams of Soviet commissars. Except that, as the Bundys have discovered, no one’s allowed to farm it. It’s serfdom without the perks.

http://www.steynonline.com/6266/the-plains-of-bureaustan

gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

OT – Petty little man who happens to be the President wanted Dr. Carson to apologize for his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast last year

22044 on April 15, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Be very wary of Glenn Beck, Roger Hedgecock and other assorted R azzholes, who claim to fight for “the law”.

These are charlatans who can’t hold more than one thought in one head. I hope they get chained up, first, ahead of the D-rats.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM

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listens2glenn on April 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Why doesn’t the Federal government just sell a bunch of land to pay down the debt? 650 million acres could bring in a LOT of money…

Mohonri on April 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

How do we know that isn’t happening? It would be great to have the Chicoms owning most of Nevada to reduce some of that debt, wouldn’t it? I assume there would be a hefty real estate commission going to some lucky politicaly connected bigwig.:)

butch on April 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM

The land and its “public” ownership is the issue here. The federal government owns over 80 per cent of Nevada.

Why?

That’s about 90,000 square miles – or the entire land mass of the United Kingdom, or, if you prefer, the size of Austria, Hungary and the Czech Republic combined, which is to say a big chunk of the Habsburg Empire.

Again: why?

The United Kingdom is a pretty big country the way things are trending these days. A lot of Scots think it’s too big and are minded to vote to go it alone in this year’s referendum. If they do, the new independent nation of Scotland will be about one-third of the real estate owned by Washington in Nevada. The US Government owns most of the west.

Why?

So the blandly named “Bureau of Land Management” is managing an area the size of Belgium, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Portugal combined. Just in Nevada.

In total, the Bureau of Land Management rules over one-eighth of the land mass of the United States. That’s about the size of South Africa – or about three-sevenths of the G7: France, Germany and Italy combined.

You know the way governors like to say, “If California were a country…” or “if Texas were a country…” it would be the twelfth biggest economy in the world or whatever it is? If the Bureau of Land Management were a country, it would be the 26th biggest country in the world – out of 200 or so. Maybe that’s why the BLM needs such a lavishly equipped army (see picture above). Maybe it should join Nato and send a division or two to protect the Baltic states.

If BLM were Microsoft or Standard Oil, there’d be an anti-trust investigation. Instead, the BLMpire is the biggest collective farm in history, beyond the wildest dreams of Soviet commissars. Except that, as the Bundys have discovered, no one’s allowed to farm it. It’s serfdom without the perks.

The incoming Emir of the United BLM-irates is apparently some buddy of Harry Reid. Where do you go to vote him out? In the one-eighth of the United States he reigns over, there is not a single polling station. And in the seven-eighths where there are, he’s not on the ballot.

— M.Steyn

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Why don’t they arrest Bundy and put him in jail until they figure it out. If he is truly in the wrong it should be decided in the courts. They are only doing this to cause an issue, it is a grab for power by the Feds and need to be put in their place when it comes to states rights.

Sven on April 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM

There is a special place for the herodian harry reid…on his knees begging Jesus for mercy.

crosshugger on April 15, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM

I enjoy reading your posts. Keep at it.

ORconservative on April 15, 2014 at 11:53 AM

From the other thread:

Sheriff Gillespie Seeks Slaughter

By the grace of God we may have avoided something really dark and sinister just now…

Alinsky on April 15, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Speaking as one in touch with those on the ground and loading his vehicle to travel the 50 miles to Bunkerville when news broke of “the deal”, these guys in the video capture the sentiment most are feeling out here. It looks like a setup, smells like a setup. I think the feds were poking and prodding, and they did not have the manpower and assets they needed at the time, ordered a temporary strategic retreat.

We know they’ll be back. It’s only a matter of time.

Harbingeing on April 15, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Sigh, listens2glenn, if you don’t know, I ain’t explaining it.

This case is not straightforward “it’s the law”. This case has many cousins. The biggest of the all is “America, and what she has become”.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:54 AM

When they decide to use the military against the citizenry this once great Republic will be lost.

rplat on April 15, 2014 at 11:54 AM

biggest of the them all

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:54 AM

The entire Bundy dispute is over the Federal Government’s failure to maintain the fences on its land, for which Bundy is normally required to pay grazing fees. So some of Bundy’s cattle are getting loose and grazing on land not leased to Bundy.

The simple solution to this dispute would be for the Federal Government to literally mend its fences, then demand that Bundy pay the grazing fees after the fences are repaired. This would be much cheaper than sending an army of Federal marshals to Nevada to seize Bundy’s cattle, but no one dares bruise the great Egobama…

Steve Z on April 15, 2014 at 11:55 AM

The Feds didn’t have a problem blowing the brains out of a mother fleeing with her child at Ruby ridge. gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Mrs. Weaver wasn’t fleeing anywhere. She was standing in the doorway holding open the door so the body of her murdered son could be brought into the house.

Akzed on April 15, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Every since this mess started the Chinese have supposedly backed out of the deal, eliminating another couple million or so for the crooked Reid family fortune…

Believe you me the Russians and Chinese are watching this closely…

Land is the only thing left that we have to pay down the foreign US debt…do you really think we have gold in Ft. Knox…

That’s why the feds are giving back Germany’s gold that was supposedly stored by the Federal Reserve over a 5-10 year period instead of when they demanded it a year or two ago…

We are getting close to the point of no return with government tyranny and an economic collapse..

PatriotRider on April 15, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Why don’t they arrest Bundy and put him in jail until they figure it out. If he is truly in the wrong it should be decided in the courts. They are only doing this to cause an issue, it is a grab for power by the Feds and need to be put in their place when it comes to states rights.

Sven on April 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Because it’s easier for the Obama Regime to murder him than risking a loss in the courts.

ConstantineXI on April 15, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Of course it is not over for Harry, he still has his deal with China for that wind farm he has to follow through with.

Sterling Holobyte on April 15, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Harry is a pathetic weasel. .

nobama1267 on April 15, 2014 at 11:58 AM

The filmmaker, unarmed, approached the gov’t goons and yelled out “I’m unarmed, let’s negotiate”. He risked his life. His wife no longer speaks to him, due to his risk of life…

The world watches.

Imagine the images around the world if America would shoot her citizens.

Why is the BLM as armed and with that kind of weapons?

Why, if they had to euthanize 1,500 turtles, due to lack of funding for their feed, did they have the millions for the white trucks, the ammo, all the equipment.

To Hell with all the UT rancher goons who sold their souls for 900,000 to round up and kill/separate cows from calves…

To Hell with the sheriffs who did NOT stand with the people.

Kudos to the official in UT who refused to buy the cattle.

Kudos to the sheriffs, officials, politicians and the thousands of people who supported the ranchers.

Indeed, Harry, it ain’t over. Some things are worth dying for. It’s way bigger than cows and turtles.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:58 AM

One more thing – Bundy should sue the gov’t for trespassing on his land and for destroying a bunch of water holes and other infrastructure and structure…

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Harry is just upset that the Bundy’s aren’t into
Gay Cowboy Poetry.

ToddPA on April 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

FIFY.

Steve Z on April 15, 2014 at 12:01 PM

The Feds didn’t have a problem blowing the brains out of a mother fleeing with her child at Ruby ridge. gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Mrs. Weaver wasn’t fleeing anywhere. She was standing in the doorway holding open the door so the body of her murdered son could be brought into the house.

Akzed on April 15, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Steyn said she was running for cover; wikipedia says:

Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elisheba[51] in her arms.[53] The Department of Justice Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) Ruby Ridge Task Force Report (June 10, 1994) stated in section I. Executive Summary subhead B. Significant Findings that the second shot did not satisfy constitutional standards for legal use of deadly force.[54] The OPR review also found the lack of a request to surrender was “inexcusable”, since Harris and the two Weavers were running for cover without returning fire and were not an imminent threat.

gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 12:01 PM

How does the decision of U.S. v. Hage play into this?

cptacek on April 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

That’s what I’ve been wondering. It’s a 2013 decision and seems to be right on point with the Bundy situation. It’s worth looking at.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/15602-federal-judge-rules-for-property-rights-smacks-down-abusive-feds

In an historic 104-page ruling, Chief Judge Robert C. Jones of the Federal District Court of Nevada has struck a major blow for property rights and, at the same time, has smacked down federal agencies that have been riding roughshod over Western ranchers and property owners. The long-awaited ruling, which had been expected before the end of last year, was finally issued at the end of May. The court case, U.S. v. Hage, has been keenly watched by legal analysts and constitutional scholars — but has been completely ignored by the major media.

TarheelBen on April 15, 2014 at 12:02 PM

What about decriminalization? Making it a misdemeanor offense. Is that amnesty?
 
MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM

 
Does everyone else get a member’s discount card to show a policeman, too, or is it only certain criminals?
 
rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:15 PM

 

Just aliens.
 
MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:16 PM

rogerb on April 15, 2014 at 12:02 PM

This is the Dims “War on America”. Lets turn the tables.

Sven on April 15, 2014 at 12:03 PM

I’m suprised that its even got to this stage…But for the love of Liberty, too many people seem to want to recreate 1776 and have a shooting war on BOTH sides.

Bundy may win this yet, but a Pyrrhic victory at best.

BLM may suffer a black eye, but only until the next “Big Story” in the media washes it away, which seems to be pretty quick nowadays.

The militia movement, at least those that are itching to sling lead, are not going to help here as much as they think. Having them at the BORDER where the ICE/Border Patrol is either understaffed and outgunned would speak a hell of a lot louder than a media named “Range War”….and still accomplish showing that this Administration, is doing anything BUT it’s job.

BlaxPac on April 15, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Ruh roh. l2g ain’t gonna like that.

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

I love l2g. The diff. btw. us and the trolls is that we can multi-task with one brain.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM

(If they went the latter route, ranchers would then have a liability right to use federal land for their own purposes, which would interfere with the government’s plans for land use.)

What in the heck is a liability right?

BuckeyeSam on April 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM

We know they’ll be back. It’s only a matter of time.
Harbingeing on April 15, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Compare the reaction here to that of Watertown, MA when the authorities basically clamped down martial law while searching for one teenager.

Everyone stayed in doors, except for those who were dragged from their homes so they could be searched w/o warrants.

This was not a case of the feds retreating in the face of a citizen uprising. They photographed hundreds of license plates, found out who came from where and what kinds of weapons would be carried, etc, generally getting a pretty good idea of what they could expect to be up against. It was a probe.

Plus, they know every keystroke you type, so they also know how you feel about it all.

Akzed on April 15, 2014 at 12:05 PM

To my knowledge, grazing fees were imposed because so many ranchers were letting their cattle graze upon the land in such numbers that they were harming it. The fees were meant to be used for restoration efforts. Given 52 of 53 ranchers are no longer there what is the problem with letting 900 cattle graze on 600,000 acres? If they were scattered evenly a person would find one cow in every 600 square mile piece of ground, but as a herd they would probably graze on 1% of that space over the course of a year. Are the grazing fees still necessary? Will Bundy’s $1000/month grazing fee amount to a hill of beans so far as restoration efforts are concerned? I think not.

Nine hundred cows can’t be doing that much harm and Bundy is improving the property at his own expense as well. Consider it a wash or allow him to reduce his annual grazing fee by submitting receipts which document the amounts he actually spent out of his own pocket on land restoration projects. Problem solved.

Just as other laws are selectively ignored or refused enforcement, simply let this case involving one man go. That’s probably what would have happened if the environmental group hadn’t filed suit to force the govt to enforce the law in the first place. Declassify the land as a tortoise habitat to take care of that problem.

Regardless, a good many of the protestors are not siding with Bundy because his opinion is correct, but because they are tired of government overkill. It doesn’t take 200 armed agents, 8 helicopters, brutal tactics, and $3M to settle a dispute involving a fraction of that amount in grazing fees. Put a lien on his property, arrest him during a quiet traffic stop, whatever; but Americans are tired of this kind of treatment after years of seeing SWAT teams serve arrest warrants for minor offenses, needlessly killing pets, etc.

sirmatthew on April 15, 2014 at 12:06 PM

That this happens in parallel with Ukraine is marvelous.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Reid is a corrupt SOB…

sorrowen on April 15, 2014 at 12:08 PM

gwelf on April 15, 2014 at 12:01 PM

I don’t think that refers to Mrs. Weaver. It was a long time ago but I followed it closely.

Akzed on April 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM

The cows sipping water from federal streams and grazing on the fed. land is no different than illegal aliens roaming all over America, no?

Trolls, where are you?

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Sigh, listens2glenn, if you don’t know, I ain’t explaining it.

This case is not straightforward “it’s the law”. This case has many cousins. The biggest of the all is “America, and what she has become”.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 11:54 AM

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It’s a ‘given’ that those of us here who consider ourselves to be “real conservatives” are still not going to agree all the time on everything. But that reply is “clear as mud.”
I can’t speak for Roger Hedgecock, as I haven’t heard him for quite a while (years).
But telling me that Glenn Beck is a “charlatan”, and that you hope he gets “chained up, first, ahead of the D-rats,” is a statement that requires an explanation.
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However, I have no “arm-twisting” power to force you to explain it.

So, I guess it “sucks to be me.”

listens2glenn on April 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM

OT – Petty little man who happens to be the President wanted Dr. Carson to apologize for his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast last year

22044 on April 15, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Seriously?

bigmacdaddy on April 15, 2014 at 12:10 PM

No, the law isn’t on Bundy’s side.

But there is a broader context here of failing respect for the law.

Disrespect for the law has been encouraged by a federal bureaucracy overrun with warmists and green fanatics and vegan jerks who are using the bureaucracy to attack ranching and farming and meat production of all kinds. They are creating costly regulatory schemes that destroy profit margins and manipulate regulations to restrict and end public use of public lands. In many cases they are successfully limiting or ending public access to public lands even for hiking and camping (don’t even mention hunting!) on the grounds that those lands, plants and wildlife are just too fragile to permit any but a privileged few from entering on them.

Disrespect for the law has been encouraged by Eric Holder’s Department of Justice beginning, perhaps, with his refusal to punish Black Panther thugs who were already on the hook for intimidating white voters. The lawlessness continued with his outrageous gun running operation that violated federal and international law on a wholesale basis, and his stonewalling of the investigation into his and his bureaucracy’s lawlessness despite being held in contempt of Congress. Disrespect for the law is further encouraged by Holder’s refusal to pursue lawlessness by his political allies while leaving no stone unturned in his attacks on his political enemies. His complete politicization of the DOJ generally, and of the Civil Rights Division in particular, stand for the proposition that under this administration federal law will be enforced only to the extent is serves the Obama administration’s political agendas and civil rights law protects only favored minorities, not all Americans.

Then there is the lawlessness and exploitation of our laws from the White House and Barack Obama himself, who refuses to enforce immigration laws and alters Obamacare law at will as it suits his political agenda. His IRS attacks his political enemies in violation of IRS regs and the law, and his tools engage in stonewalling and coverups of their criminal abuse of power.

And we cannot forget the spectacle of veterans tearing down the barricades at national monuments, erected lawfully but in a manner so abusive and plainly motivated by crass politics that respect for the administration that erected them, and the rule of law, was severely damaged.

Now we have ranchers and Westerners, perhaps most affected by the EPA, the BLM, and other federal agencies’ war on their livelihoods and their lifestyle, not simply opposing and resisting, but engaged in armed resistance and forcing the federal government to back down.

Democrats and Leftists are apparently unaware that there is a tipping point, a breaking point, beyond which they will simply not be able to force their agendas on a nation that opposes them, lawful or not, even as the signs are increasing that we are approaching it. They do recognize they simply cannot permit Bundy and his supporters to appear to have won in the long run.

We cannot be a nation of laws unless we have a government of laws. We cannot have respect for the law if the legitimacy of the law is questioned by even a significant minority of the people. Barack Obama and a bureaucracy dominated by Democrat partisans and eco-leftist authoritarians are rapidly destroying respect for the government’s authority by making it appear to be an illegitimate tool of the powerful and their personal and political agendas. It is deeply destructive of the social order, and we are beginning to see the harvest of the seeds they have sown.

Either we will regain control of the federal government and restrain those who are abusing its power, or we will become a nation of serfs ruled by a privileged political class, with the trappings of a constitutional republic but a nugatory vestige of the history of a formerly free people.

novaculus on April 15, 2014 at 12:12 PM

So, I guess it “sucks to be me.”

listens2glenn on April 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM

No, it’s wonderful to be you and I like you, much. We can multi-task with one brain, contrary to the trolls.

Hedgecock is all over Bundy, one way only.

Beck is all over Bundy, and all pro-gay now, because he “has gays working for him”. Why he just now woke up, who knows? He’s just a meek figure, and does whatever it takes to have lots of followers, or to buy his place in Hell Heaven.

This topic is a very complex one. It has little to so with turtles and cows.

When the players will be exposed, Reid will be in prison, in a just and legal society.

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 12:12 PM

As Randy reached to unlatch the shed door, Horiuchi fired one shot, without warning, and hit Randy in the upper right arm. Randy exclaimed, “Mama, I been shot,” and the three ran towards the cabin door. Vicki had heard the shot and Randy cry out for help, so she ran to the cabin door with baby Elisheba in her arms and held it open so that they could make their way inside for cover. As Kevin Harris made his way through the doorway, Horiuchi placed the cross hairs of his rifle’s scope on the edge of the door and fired a second shot. The bullet penetrated the door window, passed through Vicki Weaver’s head and struck Kevin Harris in the left arm and chest.
~
We was both wrong.

Akzed on April 15, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Dirty Harry wants that land and will do anything to get it.

sadatoni on April 15, 2014 at 12:13 PM

OT
Schad… isn’t this a Bmore creation?

It’s making the rounds on my twitter feed today.

jffree1 on April 15, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Seriously?

bigmacdaddy on April 15, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 12:14 PM

OT – Petty little man who happens to be the President wanted Dr. Carson to apologize for his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast last year

22044 on April 15, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Are you kidding me? So Carson makes some comments about health care that don’t line up with Obama’s all-government-all-the-time approach – and Obama wanted him to apologize?

TarheelBen on April 15, 2014 at 12:14 PM

They own 83% of the land in Nevada. What’s their goal? 100%. I don’t doubt it.

Keep fighting. Expand the fight. Make government the issue. Win in 2016 and return these lands to the people.

rrpjr on April 15, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Schadenfreude on April 15, 2014 at 12:14 PM

OFFS.

bigmacdaddy on April 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Harry Reid on Nevada ranchers ~

‘Nice little ranch you got there. Shame if anything happened to it.’

thatsafactjack on April 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM

From Powerline,

First, it must be admitted that legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on. … That simply isn’t right; the land, like most of Nevada, is federally owned.

They assert this but they do not provide the evidence. Sure there were two courts cases, which the Feds won, but the Court can decide only on evidence presented. What if there is evidence but it is not presented. Just for example, what if the Feds know of exculpatory evidence but keeps it from the Court.

From AllahPundit,

Bundy’s theory, that land universally recognized for the past 150 years as belonging to the federal government really belongs to Nevada because it was never properly conveyed to the U.S., is DOA in court.

Maybe. I think I saw the argument made that the deal with Nevadans regarding statehood was 80% of the land would be deeded to the Feds in exchange for Feds conferring statehood. However, that agreement was made in 1864. I haven’t read the documents and don’t know where to find them to see the particulars of the agreement and how it is written, but I do know that the piece of Nevada of which Clark County is a part was not part of Nevada when that agreement made. The Southeastern tip of Nevada was transferred to Nevada in 1866.

Did the Feds cross their t’s and dot their i’s on that transfer? I like to hear from someone who has read the documents, especially the SE transfer in 1866, before I agree Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on, and his argument is DOA in court.

Besides, the Court fight isn’t over until the SCOTUS justices sing. Maybe having an audience of millions of pissed off Americans at their limit with a “long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinc(ing) a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism” will persuade them to sing the right tune.

Dusty on April 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM

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