Video: White supremacist arrested in Kansas murder spree at Jewish centers

posted at 9:21 am on April 14, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

One gunman attacked five people at two different Jewish facilities in Overland Park, a suburb of Kansas City, Missouri, killing three. The man arrested at the scene of the second shooting smiled and yelled, “Heil Hitler!” after being taken into custody. It’s not the first time Frazier Glenn Miller (also Cross) has tried to spread hatred, either:

The perp was a world-class attention-hound, running for public office as members of both major parties:

According to the SPLC, Cross quit high school as a senior to join the Army. In a 20-year Army career he had two tours in Vietnam and 13 years as a member of the elite Green Berets before he was forced to retire because of his Klan affiliation in 1979.

Later he went on to be active in a neo-Nazi group called “The Order” that advocated violence against Blacks and Jews among others, the SPLC said.

He even unsuccessfully ran in the Democratic primary for North Carolina governor in 1984 and as a Republican for a state Senate seat in 1987, the SPLC said.

McClatchy pulled this story from KC Star’s Mike Hendricks out of its archives from 2010, when Cross tried to run a write-in campaign against US Senator Kit Bond:

Last week I had the distinct displeasure of speaking with Glenn Miller, the race-baiting, anti-Semitic bigot running a write-in campaign to replace U.S. Sen. Kit Bond in Missouri.

And while we agreed on almost nothing, Miller was correct about one thing: Radio stations are doing him a favor by running disclaimers before and after his hate-filled commercials.

“Everybody’s ears perk up,” a gloating Miller said over the phone from his home near Springfield.

“They know something controversial is about to come on the air, and by the time my voice comes on, everyone is at full attention.”

Sad but true, said two radio execs I spoke with Tuesday.

But then you can’t blame stations for disassociating themselves from the vile garbage they’re required to air. Federal laws forbid them from denying any “legally qualified candidate” access to the public airwaves.

For the stations, it’s self-preservation. Would you as a listener stick with any station you thought willingly sold ad time to hatemongers like Miller, who, by the way, founded the Ku Klux Klan-affiliated White Patriot Party back in the 1980s and later spent three years in federal prison for using the mail to advocate war on blacks, Jews and the federal government?

So expect to hear more radio disclaimers in the days ahead as Miller’s media buy continues on 10 to 12 Missouri stations.

In 2012, Miller was given time to speak to a class at Missouri State University by a professor who wanted his students to know that white supremacists were both real and dangerous. BuzzFeed contacted Professor David Embree, who is still trying to decide whether that was the right call:

Reached by phone on Sunday evening, Embree confirmed that Miller had spoken to an intersession class he teaches during the winter period between fall and spring semesters. Embree teaches a class called New Religious Movements, and during the intersession period he often teaches a weeklong class about a particular subgroup — he has done these before on Scientology and the Church of Latter-Day Saints, he said.

“One of the groups that students were pretty fascinated by and wanted more on was white supremacists,” Embree said. “One of the things I’ve found with many of these groups is that if I tell the story myself [the students] don’t believe me, they just think I’m trying to let make them look bad.” So Embree invited three white supremacists — Miller, Kingdom Identity Ministries leader Mike Hallimore, and Dan Gayman, the Missouri-based leader of the Church of Israel — to come speak. …

Embree said it was a “galvanizing” experience for his students to see real extremists up close.

“They came out of there convinced that white supremacy is a real thing and a dangerous thing,” Embree said. “They thought, ‘now we know, now we get why these guys have to be watched out for. These guys are for real.’”

“I asked the class, I said what did you think about bringing these people in? And they said ‘you’re absolutely right, if we had not heard these people we wouldn’t believe such hateful people exist,’” Embree said.

Hate and evil are real — and dangerous — things. Miller appears to be not just hate-filled and evil, but also in deep need of attention. His ridiculous 2010 Senate campaign apparently didn’t give him enough. Three people died as a result. Rather than focus on the perpetrator’s twisted psyche, let’s focus on what was taken from Overland Park’s community — including an Eagle Scout with so much promise:

Pray for all of the victims, their families, and their friends. Let’s hope that Reat Griffin’s name outlives that of the man who took his life. This kind of virulent hatred is fading fast, but it’s not entirely gone. Unfortunately.


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Fourteen years old.

But you know, the death penalty is mean or something.

Kansas has the DP, here’s to hoping this fud spends a very short time waiting for it.

Bishop on April 14, 2014 at 9:29 AM

This kind of virulent hatred is fading fast, but it’s not entirely gone. Unfortunately.

Ed, this might be the first time I completely disagree with you. From my observation, Anti-Semitism is on a hockey stick uptick.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 9:30 AM

This kind of virulent hatred is fading fast, but it’s not entirely gone. Unfortunately.

Don’t worry, the Ecofemigayminority supremacists are picking up the slack.

Fenris on April 14, 2014 at 9:31 AM

They to find out where he got his guns because he did not get them legally, not with his record.

Johnnyreb on April 14, 2014 at 9:34 AM

My family and I were about a mile away from this doing some shopping. There were of course tons of sirens. Usually in that area, Leawood, it means somebody wants to complain about someone street parking which is against HOA rules. This guy wasn’t too bright as even a quick search would detail that the Jewish community center is open to everyone, not just Jews.

BTW, I think both areas where the shooting took place, heck even the elementary school where he was caught, are ‘gun free’ zones but I can’t 100% confirm.

LaughterJones on April 14, 2014 at 9:34 AM

This kind of virulent hatred is fading fast, but it’s not entirely gone. Unfortunately.

Ed, this might be the first time I completely disagree with you. From my observation, Anti-Semitism is on a hockey stick uptick.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Right you are, Hawkdriver. The Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama has formented much more division, hatred and violence among the races, ethnicities and faiths in this country. He has divided us on economic, social, racial, religious, moral, educational, ideological, cultural, sexual, and even Epicurean lines. And he’s not done yet, either. The man eats dogs, for God’s sake…

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 9:40 AM

A man without a Party and probably a friend. I am so sorry for the families to lose a son, father and grandfather in a moment of madness is unthinkable. May God bless them.

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 9:41 AM

In 2012, Miller was given time to speak to a class at Missouri State University by a professor who wanted his students to know that white supremacists were both real and dangerous. BuzzFeed contacted Professor David Embree, who is still trying to decide whether that was the right call:

I don’t mind letting people be exposed to white supremacists. To point out their evilness. But also expose them to black supremacists and all other ethnic & religious supremacists. Such as Dear Liar’s favorite preacher.

rbj on April 14, 2014 at 9:41 AM

This Cowardly Act was perpetrating just before Passover…

…it’s all about the Impact….that’s all these pieces of
human debris have…..I wouldn’t waste a trial on him, but
that’s just me..

ToddPA on April 14, 2014 at 9:42 AM

I don’t have any problem with the professor’s experiment but I think it should be more diverse.

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 9:43 AM

rbj on April 14, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Yep.

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 9:44 AM

How convenient. The POS tried his best last year to link the Boston Bombings to white racists but that failed miserably.

Now, almost exactly a year later, he’s got his white supremecist in the form of Frasier Glenn Miller, a KKK member who wrote “A White Man Speaks Out” and led a group- of 5,000 in the 1980′s.

Add that to the race-stoking by the POS, Holdem and Sharptongue over “I’m not-a-rat,” Sebelius’s “sudden” resignation, the blackout of Bundy Ranch News, the escalation in Ukraine, and I ain’t buying none of it.

wyntre on April 14, 2014 at 9:46 AM

They ought to lock this guy away for ‘life’ in a prison with a Jewish street gang…

RedManBlueState on April 14, 2014 at 9:47 AM

RedManBlueState on April 14, 2014 at 9:47 AM

There are Jewish street gangs?

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Don’t we want to withhold judgement until the facts are known?

Oh wait… No.. He’s a white male so he was obviously a racist working in behalf of the KKK and the politicization of this killing will commence immediately.

Skywise on April 14, 2014 at 9:57 AM

In 2001, Daniel Bernard came to public attention when, as French Ambassador to the United Kingdom, he was quoted as saying: “All the current troubles in the world are because of that shitty little country Israel.” The diplomat added, “Why should the world be in danger of World War III because of those people?”

But the hatred is fading fast.

vityas on April 14, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Has the left linked him to the tea party yet?

OmahaConservative on April 14, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Hey, this guy was being a good liberal–striking a blow for Palestinian patriots or something.

Just like this woman who “Post birth aborted” seven of her babies over the last few years and put them in boxes in her garage like the leftist hero Gosnell.

Vanceone on April 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Skywise on April 14, 2014 at 9:57 AM

I assume you are talking about the media and their inborn desire to link mass killers with the Right. I think they have been burned on that one too many times and it won’t work here either. Eventually the media just has to realize that crazy is crazy. As for needing more info, rushing to judgement, that’s a tough sell when he was caught practically at the scene with the murder weapon.

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Surprise, surprise…yet another White Christian killing in the name of his religion. …and of course all the other White Christians will be on here telling us how it’s “only a very small minority” of Christians committing all these terrorist acts.

How long are we going to continue pretending these fanatics don’t pose a threat to our country?

Frank Lib on April 14, 2014 at 10:09 AM

This kind of virulent hatred is fading fast, but it’s not entirely gone. Unfortunately.

Ed, this might be the first time I completely disagree with you. From my observation, Anti-Semitism is on a hockey stick uptick.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 9:30 AM

Unfortunately true Hawk…enough for huffpo to cover it.

“French Jews Migrate To Israel Citing Rising Anti-Semitism”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/08/french-jews-israel_n_4748532.html

“Anti-Semitism around the world is getting worse, Diaspora Affairs Minister Naftali Bennett warned during the weekly cabinet meeting on Sunday.

Despite some trends that have been interpreted as an amelioration of anti-Jewish sentiment, including the lack of high-profile attacks against Jewish targets, such as 2012’s Toulouse school massacre, the situation “has only worsened,” Bennett wrote in the introduction to a report he presented to fellow ministers….”

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Ahead-of-Intl-Holocaust-Remembrance-Day-Bennett-warns-cabinet-of-rising-anti-Semitism-339414

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM

I assume you are talking about the media and their inborn desire to link mass killers with the Right. Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 10:04 AM

This moron said “Heil Hitler” when arrested, demonstrating for all to see that his inspiration is a socialist.

But I’ll guarandamtee you that he is referenced ad nauseum as a “right winger” in MSM reports.

Akzed on April 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM

How long are we going to continue pretending these fanatics don’t pose a threat to our country?

Frank Lib on April 14, 2014 at 10:09 AM

We’re not going to wait. I’ve 37 of them rounded up and tied up on my ranch. 38 if you count the electric company guy whose accent is so thick you can’t understand what he’s saying. All Southern, White Christians are suspect and we’ll settle this problem in no time.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 10:17 AM

I guess we’re back to 37. Mrs Hawkdriver, (not her real name), says the electric company guy got away.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 10:19 AM

This kind of virulent hatred is fading fast, but it’s not entirely gone. Unfortunately.

Wait. What?

Anti-Semitism is on a huge uptick everywhere.

mankai on April 14, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Dated Jan. 2014

“Citing the FRA study, the ministry described how European Jews seek to hide their identity for fear of attack.

A third of Jews polled in that study refrained from wearing religious garb or Jewish symbols out of fear, and 23 percent avoided attending Jewish events or going to Jewish venues.

While 66% reported anti-Semitism as having a negative affect on their lives, 77% did not bother reporting abuse or harassment. Almost a third were mulling emigration as a response to heightened anti-Jewish sentiment.

The countries facing the worst anti-Semitism are Hungary, France, Belgium and Sweden, the ministry asserted, quoting the FRA study.

“It is clear that monitoring bodies are aware of but a small part of the picture,” the report stated, adding that the FRA study also showed that anti-Semitism was of concern even to non-Jews.

Jewish leaders have previously expressed concern over this phenomenon, with Anti-Defamation League national chairman Abraham Foxman telling the Post last week that “there is no serious monitoring by continental entities. We [the Jewish community] take the poll, we do the measuring and they’re not doing their job, they’re not monitoring.”

Following up on previous Foreign Ministry comments, the Diaspora Ministry report castigated FRA for recently removing a working definition of anti-Semitism from its website.

The definition, the report stated, “was considered an achievement on an international scale.”

Prior to the release of the ministry’s report, Bennett said that “anti-Semitism [has been] gaining momentum at a regular pace over the past few years and has no connection with regional developments or our policies.” This sentiment was expressed in the report as well.

“The simple truth is that anti-Zionism is prevalent worldwide,” but that it is “mostly” seen on the Left, the report said, calling it the most common form of anti-Semitism in the West.

The ministry will “uncompromisingly fight anti-Semitism” and “continue to work in collaboration with national institutions and other organizations for the benefit of eradicating anti-Semitism.”

While a ministry spokesman said that not everything being done could be divulged, the report did cite the 2013 renewal of the International Forum for Combating Anti-Semitism after a two-year lull.

The event, a joint project of the Diaspora and Foreign ministries, brings politicians and Jewish leaders from around the world to discuss methods of undermining hate. It is now being reconstituted on a bi-annual basis and will reconvene in Jerusalem in 2015.

Citing an explosion of hate online and the widespread use of the inverted Nazi salute known as the quenelle, the report called on “governments and parliaments to emphasize the legislation as a tool against the trend of extremism.”

“It is clear that there is a large gap between the effectiveness of legislation and statements by political leaders and the reality on the ground.” It emphasized that the “only” solution was to attack the root of anti-Semitism through education.

The Internet has been an important vector in transmitting conspiracy theories about Jews, the ministry reported.

Citing such theories is common currency in South and Central America, Russia and the Middle East.

The ministry report, citing the Kantor Center, said that attempts to ban circumcision and other religious rituals were not intrinsically anti-Semitic and were also being directed against the Muslim community.

The report seemed to differ from a Saturday evening statement by Bennett, who said that while right-wing anti-Semitism stems from ultra-nationalism, that coming from the Left takes the form of attacks on Jewish traditions such as ritual slaughter and circumcision due to human and animal rights concerns.

All of the aforementioned factors have created a “bleak atmosphere” for Jews in Europe, the report said….”

more at the link:

http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Ahead-of-Intl-Holocaust-Remembrance-Day-Bennett-warns-cabinet-of-rising-anti-Semitism-339414

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Didn’t this guy run for governor as a democrat?

Does the MSM know that the KKK is a wholly owned wing of the democrat party?

jukin3 on April 14, 2014 at 10:22 AM

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM

The other site I spend a bit of time on the trolls speak about them if they were animals. They use avatars for them like posters right out of 1930s Germany. Again, frightening.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 10:04 AM

How much was correct about the motives of the Boston massacre 48 hours afterwards?
How much about the New York taxi bombing?
Trayvon martin?
Sandy Hook?

No no… In 48 hours all the socialist leftist info centers have dozed the daylights out of this guy and we must condemn the white man for his anti-Semitic gun-loving hatred ways which are “obvious” to everyone.
But if he non-white, non-male, non-Christian the calls from all media sources (including hot air) would be calm and not a rush to judgement and for understanding.

I don’t deny the guy shot the people. I deny his motivation and intent. His hatred didn’t come from video games or right wing fury, class warfare, easy access to guns or lack of healthcare insurance.

He was a nutjob. But when nutjobs like him commit heinous crimes he must be executed and crucified … But when nutjobs like Bill Ayers commit heinous crimes thy must interviews and their opinions recognized and lauded.

I laugh at the hypocrisy this country has become.

Skywise on April 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Hmmm Ted Nugent calls the president a “mongrel” but there’s no relationship between the far right and this kind of intense white supremacist rhetoric. I guess we are also going to ignore this guy’s statements opposing illegal immigration as “drowning” the white population and that he blames the “federal government” as working “the Jews” (aka big business) to increase illegal immigration for their own profit? If you just take out the anti-Jewish insanity, his anti-amnesty, anti-race mixing and anti-illegal immigration rhetoric is no different than Ted Nugent. I believe the right’s response to Nugent’s white supremacist rhetoric was to…attend more shows.

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Akzed on April 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM

I won’t be surprised but I am hoping that won’t be the case. I hope they will spend sometime as Johnnyreb on April 14, 2014 at 9:34 AM suggested and find out where he got the guns. Although I heard a shotgun was involved, it’s good to know that VP Biden’s suggestions aren’t always laughed at. /

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 10:25 AM

“as” if they were …

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 10:25 AM

But I’ll guarandamtee you that he is referenced ad nauseum as a “right winger” in MSM reports.
Akzed on April 14, 2014 at 10:16 AM

I’ll bet he didn’t even say it.

Skywise on April 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Yeah, we’re all going write Ted in on our next ballot. Or are you suggesting that we should shoot Ted?

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 10:27 AM

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

A perfect demonstration of my thesis…

Had this been a Muslim shooting Jews libfree would be criticizing this article as right wing racism…

Skywise on April 14, 2014 at 10:28 AM

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Oh for Gods sake you couldn’t have posted a weaker straw man. Your assertions that Nugent is a White supremacist are your own.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 10:28 AM

That guy was a real brave POS, wasn’t he? Takes a lot of guts to gun down unarmed people. But when faced with someone who is armed, he meekly surrenders.

GarandFan on April 14, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Hmmm Ted Nugent calls the president a “mongrel” but there’s no relationship between the far right and this kind of intense white supremacist rhetoric. I guess we are also going to ignore this guy’s statements opposing illegal immigration as “drowning” the white population and that he blames the “federal government” as working “the Jews” (aka big business) to increase illegal immigration for their own profit? If you just take out the anti-Jewish insanity, his anti-amnesty, anti-race mixing and anti-illegal immigration rhetoric is no different than Ted Nugent. I believe the right’s response to Nugent’s white supremacist rhetoric was to…attend more shows.

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Jail Ted Nugent!

vlad martel on April 14, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Skywise on April 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

I know but I don’t think as many people are buying their schtick anymore. I think it is edifying to go back and see how much was written on the Naval Yard shooter.

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Yeah, we’re all going write Ted in on our next ballot. Or are you suggesting that we should shoot Ted?

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Is there truly no place between supporting Ted for office and calling for him to be shot? How about, for example, being grossed out when the future Governor of Texas attends campaign rallies with an unapologetic white supremacist. How about voices within the conservative movement pointing out that calling the president a “mongrel” is *classic* white supremacy instead of sticking their head in the sand. Go back and read the HotAir threads in the wake of the Nugent controversy. What you will find is HotAir posters quoting the dictionary definition of mongrel and saying that Nugent was just being “accurate” as if European descendants and white descendants are somehow two different species. Or you can engage in hyperbole so that you don’t have to look in the mirror and see the type of people you’ve made alliances with.

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Timeline of some antisemitic incidents reported in the media in 2014. source: ADL

BRAZIL

January 14, 2014 – São Paulo, Brazil – A swastika was found spray painted on the external wall of the Jewish Cultural Center.

FRANCE

March 10, 2014 – Paris – A visibly identifiable Jewish male was attacked by two men with a stun gun near a local synagogue. He was not seriously hurt, but did require hospitalization.
March 2, 2014 – Paris – An orthodox Jewish man was assaulted and beaten on a Metro train. The four assailants, who were described as of Arab descent, reportedly shouted “Jews” before the attack.

HUNGARY

March 14, 2014 – Tatabanya – Jewish tombstones were defaced with swastikas and anti-Semitic slurs, including the phrases “STINKING JEWS!”, “HoloLie” and “There was no Holocaust but there will be!!!”

ITALY

January 25, 2014 – Rome – Boxes containing pigs heads were mailed to the city’s synagogue, the Jewish museum and the Israeli Embassy. The synagogue also received an anonymous bomb threat. In a separate incident, a swastika and anti-Semitic graffiti were found outside a municipal building in a Rome neighborhood reading “the Holocaust is a lie” and “Hanna [sic] Frank is a big liar.”

MEXICO

January 8, 2014 – Mexico City – A banner was found near the Mexican Senate that read “All of Peña Nieto’s public authorities are Jews,” “They steal millions,” “Go leave for Israel,” “Jewish murderers,” and “Bring Peña Nieto to Israel and all of the PRI-PAN mafia.”

SWEDEN

March 27, 2014 – Malmo – Two teenagers were arrested after attempting to break into a Jewish community building during a demonstration that featured anti-Semitic slogans.
March 10, 2014 – Stockholm – A high school which holds special classes for Jewish students was spray painted with anti-Semitic graffiti including a swastika, the phrases “Jewish swine” and “disgusting Jews,” and the number “1488,”a reference to the Nazi greeting “Heil Hitler.”

TURKEY

February 6, 2014 – Babaeski – Two Turkish Jews were eating at a restaurant when they were attacked by the restaurant’s owner who shouted anti-Semitic epithets and chased them out of the establishment.

UKRAINE

March 13, 2014 – Kiev – A rabbi was physically assaulted and taunted with anti-Semitic slurs by two unidentified individuals.
February 28, 2014 – Simferopol – Vandals spray painted “Death to the Jews” and swastikas on the outside of the Ner Tamid Reform Synagogue in the capital of Ukraine’s Crimean republic.
February 24, 2014 – Zaporozhye – Molotov cocktails were thrown at the Giymat Rosa synagogue and community center. No one was hurt in the nighttime attack, although the building suffered exterior cosmetic damage.
January 26. 2014 – Kiev – A Jewish man returning from synagogue was assaulted by an unknown attacker. The attack was the third such incident within two weeks.

January 17, 2014 – Kiev – A 28 year-old Yeshiva student was beaten and stabbed by three youths as he was walking home from synagogue services. He managed to return to the synagogue where he collapsed. He was taken to the hospital and underwent emergency surgery on his foot.

January 11, 2014 – Kiev – An Israeli-born Hebrew teacher was followed home from synagogue services and beaten by four men.

VENEZUELA

January 9, 2014 – Caracas – Anti-Semitic graffiti was found on the Keter Torah synagogue in the San Bernardino neighborhood.

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

There are Jewish street gangs?

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Most definitely. Ever hear of Meyer Lansky, Bugsy Siegel or Arnold Rothstein?

Oldnuke on April 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

How about a spirited discussion of celebrities wearing “White Devil” medallions and the knock out game. How about lines from the movie DaJango and the knockout game.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 10:33 AM

We’re quoting $PLC now?

MMK on April 14, 2014 at 10:33 AM

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Why don’t YOU look in the mirror and tell me about your support of Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground?

Skywise on April 14, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Hmmm Ted Nugent calls the president a “mongrel” but there’s no relationship between the far right and this kind of intense white supremacist rhetoric. I guess we are also going to ignore this guy’s statements opposing illegal immigration as “drowning” the white population and that he blames the “federal government” as working “the Jews” (aka big business) to increase illegal immigration for their own profit? If you just take out the anti-Jewish insanity, his anti-amnesty, anti-race mixing and anti-illegal immigration rhetoric is no different than Ted Nugent. I believe the right’s response to Nugent’s white supremacist rhetoric was to…attend more shows.

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Gee, all Ed was trying to do was show he (and the GOP) are “the real anti-racists” (TM) by celebrating the arrest of an evil white racist anti-Semite. You mean it didn’t work?

vlad martel on April 14, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Or you can engage in hyperbole so that you don’t have to look in the mirror and see the type of people you’ve made alliances with.

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

I agree. What do you think about these disgusting displays of blatant and ignorant racism?

Oldnuke on April 14, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Oldnuke on April 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

LOL! Anything more current? I’m trying to get a visual of a Jewish street gang in our current prison hierarchy.

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 10:38 AM

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

You nailed it brother! Nugent called the POTUS a mixed breed and this other white guy (who also owns guns) is advocating genocide. When you really get into the semantics of it all, they’re basically saying the same thing.

The rednecks on this site probably love Nugent (i.e. love the idea of executing entire races of people).

Keep up the good fight brother! Glad to finally see some intelligent comments around here.

Frank Lib on April 14, 2014 at 10:38 AM

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

‘Nugent is a ‘white supremacist’!!!!!!!!!! Get a rope…!!!!’You are nothing but a disgusting race baiter.

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 10:40 AM

The other site I spend a bit of time on the trolls speak about them if they were animals. They use avatars for them like posters right out of 1930s Germany. Again, frightening.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Indeed.

This is dated 2010 and focuses on some schools in the UK but it’s made the news again because a Muslim father is fighting the jihadi indoctrination of his kids at the public school they attend….trying to find the article.

“Muslim religious schools operating in Britain are using poisonously anti-Semitic textbooks from Saudi Arabia to teach children as young as six that Jews are descended from “monkeys” and “pigs,” and that Zionists are plotting to take over the world. The schools are also instructing children on how to chop off the hands and feet of a thief as per Islamic Sharia law. These are just a few of the findings of a British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) exposé of Saudi-run Muslim schools in Britain that aired on the prestigious Panorama documentary television program on November 22.

The Panorama investigation identified a network of over 40 such after-school and weekend programs catering to about 5,000 children, from ages six to eighteen. The schools offer the official Saudi national curriculum and run under the umbrella of “Saudi Students Clubs and Schools in the UK and Ireland.” Panorama says the schools are overseen by the cultural bureau of the Saudi Arabian Embassy in London, and that a building used for one of the schools (in Ealing, West London) is owned by the Saudi government.

Saudi officials quoted by the BBC disavowed direct responsibility for the schools and clubs, and described the teachings cited in the program as having been “taken out of their historical context.” But BBC Newsnight exposed similar anti-Semitic sentiments in Saudi textbooks at a Saudi school in London in 2007. At the time, the Saudi government promised a “comprehensive” review of all offensive material in its curriculum. (Saudi Arabia also promotes anti-Semitic hate-speech in the United States.)

According to Panorama, one Saudi textbook asks children to spell out the “reprehensible” qualities of Jews and explains that Jews are “cursed by God.” Another textbook teaches that the penalty for sodomy is execution, and outlines differing perspectives as to whether death should be by stoning, immolation by fire, or throwing offenders off a cliff….”

more at the link:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1703/uk-anti-semitism-muslim-schools

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 10:40 AM

How about lines from the movie DaJango and the knockout game.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Last night I was having a bit of trouble nodding off so I broke a promise to myself and tried to watch Django. Horrible movie, bad acting, terrible contrived accents and the dialogue was something out of some demented idea of the old South. The plot sucked too.

Oldnuke on April 14, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Frank Lib on April 14, 2014 at 10:38 AM

The Dog Eater IS a mixed breed, libiot. His daddy was a philandering alcoholic who traveled the world leaving little ‘Obamas’ in every port, and his mama was a drug addled, would be porn actress with the morals of an alley cat. Hardly a pedigree that one could label anything other than a ‘mongrel’…

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 10:43 AM

“In any event, Small, it turns out, is decidedly small-time. In the last couple of weeks, investigations by the Telegraph and Daily Mail have uncovered something far more serious than Small’s little workshop: namely, a long-term, broad-based conspiracy to Islamize schools in the city of Birmingham. The conspiracy is so widespread, and involves so many high-level people in the school system and the Muslim community, that – well, put it this way: if you were to suggest to a typical European multiculturalist that any such plot were brewing anywhere in the Western world, you’d be mocked and reviled, accused of racism, paranoia, and sheer unadulterated foolishness.

Yet the facts are there. As revealed in a series of articles, there’s “an organised group of Muslim teachers, education consultants, school governors and activists” who are involved in what they themselves call a “Trojan Horse” campaign to further an “Islamising agenda” by “remov[ing] secular head teachers and install[ing] Islamic practices in Birmingham state schools.” The participants’ ongoing discussions of this campaign have taken place on a private online message board, whose contents have been seen by the Telegraph. Among the conspirators’ short-term objectives is to install Muslim worship in the schools; their explicit long-term goal, as they have made clear in postings on the message board, is the total Islamization of Britain….”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/bruce-bawer/islamizing-britains-schools/

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Sorry but I don’t see Ted Nugent as any kind of standard bearer for anyone or anything but Ted Nugent. I don’t believe that people or parties are responsible for what individuals say. Like someone mentioned above, I don’t think it was particularly wise for Obama to launch his career in the home of a anti-government anarchist bomber but than I don’t think said person should have been given a professorship at a leading university either. And Obama was right, no harm no foul, so we will give the future governor of Texas the same pass.

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Why don’t you all ignore libfreeor die? Who cares what he thinks? He hates you and all you’re doing is giving him the attention people like Miller and he crave?

Nomennovum on April 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Hmmm Ted Nugent calls the president a “mongrel”

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

President O’bama calls himself a “mongrel” on “The View”…

F-

Del Dolemonte on April 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Of course, but why do you think the left cares about ideological consistency? Such arguments will never work, not in a million years.

vlad martel on April 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM

What you will find is HotAir posters quoting the dictionary definition of mongrel

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

What definition of “mongrel” was your Cult Leader using on “The View”?

F-

Del Dolemonte on April 14, 2014 at 10:48 AM

What a great opportunity to test out liberal theory. Ship his ash to GITMO and let him mix with his other Nazi pals.

Then, when he turns up with a slit throat the next day, it will be certain he slipped a knife in with him is spite of all the security.

dockywocky on April 14, 2014 at 10:50 AM

We’re quoting $PLC now?

MMK on April 14, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Even I like to quote SPLC on occasion-especially their expose on widespread Racism in the Solid-Blue Democrat State O’bama claims to have been born in, a state where Whites are in the minority, and where people still eat dogs.

Del Dolemonte on April 14, 2014 at 10:51 AM

This is happening in tax payer funded state schools in Europe.

“Extremist Muslims are trying to indoctrinate pupils at a dozen state schools in Birmingham, it has been claimed.

Local MP Khalid Mahmood warned of the risk posed by religious radicals as it emerged that education
authorities had widened their investigation into the allegations to include more than 12 different schools.

In some schools non-Muslim teachers are reported to have been sidelined by Islamic extremists, who have allegedly imposed halal food in canteens and abolished sex education classes.

The claims first came to light last month, when a letter referring to a ‘Trojan Horse’ plot to take over Birmingham schools was leaked to the Press, although its authenticity is unclear.
Park View Academy was downgraded from ‘outstanding’ to ‘inadequate’ after allegedly being infiltrated by extremists, while the non-Muslim headmaster of Saltley School claims he was forced out of his job.

Education Secretary Michael Gove is believed to have taken a personal interest in the investigation, which includes both faith schools and secular establishments.

A source told the Sunday Times: ‘Michael Gove has ordered an all-embracing investigation and has asked a number of department officials to drop everything and just focus on this.

‘They will be going through financial records and interviewing staff members at more than 12 schools in Birmingham.’

Mr Mahmood, the MP for Perry Barr in Birmingham, has called for a thorough investigation into the scandal.

He said that some of the schools were run by members of the ultra-conservative Salafi sect, who may be ‘trying to import their views into classrooms and the day-to-day running of the school’.

Mr Mahmood added: ‘The majority of kids are Sunni mainstream Muslims. It is an attempt at indoctrination.

‘These are state schools, not Islamic. I am very concerned at the way non-Muslim staff have been dealt with and the effect on the children.’

The Labour MP, who chairs the Tackling Terrorism All-Party Parliamentary Group, welcomed the intervention by the Department for Education and Ofsted.

He suggested that education officials had previously steered clear of getting involved in disputes with Muslim schools for fear of being dubbed racist.

‘Council officers were in a difficult position where they either went along with it or were portrayed as anti-Islamic,’ Mr Mahmood said….”

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594119/Twelve-schools-investigated-amid-claims-hard-line-Muslims-trying-indoctrinate-pupils.html#ixzz2ys9PqGwj

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 10:51 AM

What you will find is HotAir posters quoting the dictionary definition of mongrel

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:31 AM

As you wish: ‘Someone or something of mixed kind or uncertain origin; especially, a dog that is such. That dog is a mongrel, who knows what breed …’

You are what you eat, libiot…And Barky eats dogs….woof..woof!!

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 10:52 AM

LOL! Anything more current? I’m trying to get a visual of a Jewish street gang in our current prison hierarchy.

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Haha, I sometimes forget that what seems fairly recent to me is actually decades old. Don’t know if the Jewish mob still exists today or not but I’d be surprised if it didn’t. I know that a good friend of mine grew up in a mostly Jewish neighborhood in Philly. He was black and had a few stories about his childhood. He was about the same age as me.

Oldnuke on April 14, 2014 at 10:52 AM

I am so very tired of loons like libiotfreeordie and FrankLibiot squealing about race at every opportunity. You ignoramuses see everything through the color of your skin…just like your idols, Rev. Al, Jesse, Rev Wright, Moochelle, et al. The more you cry racism, the more we are going to taunt you with it.

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Why don’t you all ignore libfreeor die? Who cares what he thinks? He hates you and all you’re doing is giving him the attention people like Miller and he crave?

Nomennovum on April 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Ignoring the idiot is as hard as ignoring the wart on Barack Obama’s nose.

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM

? for KC area folks…any possible correlation between this shooting and all the sniper fire around KC highways lately?

fortcoins on April 14, 2014 at 10:57 AM

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM

fyi..Frank is yanking your chain.

Couldn’t agree more about LFOD.

bazil9 on April 14, 2014 at 10:58 AM

This kind of virulent hatred is fading fast, but it’s not entirely gone. Unfortunately.

Ed, this might be the first time I completely disagree with you. From my observation, Anti-Semitism is on a hockey stick uptick.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 9:30 AM

(At the risk of being told to get a room:) You are absolutely correct.

William A. Jacobson at http://legalinsurrection.com/ has exposed the rising anti-Smeitism on college campuses and else where. The first two articles right now deal with the issue.

davidk on April 14, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Ed wrote:
This kind of virulent hatred is fading fast, but it’s not entirely gone. Unfortunately.

I see these killings as a stupid person doing a stupid thing, not to do with an anti-Jewish “hatred” that has a separate, independent existence of its own. By stupid I mean more bordering on mentally ill, or sick.

I mean, as if hatred is only something societal that therefor can be stamped out. There will always be stupid people, who hate, and make their own decisions to kill. I don’t think it’s necessarily based on hatred of Jews free-floating around in our culture.

To imagine one day people will stop killing others for not being in their group … “it’s not entirely gone. Unfortunately.” … to me, plays into an error of thinking typical of liberals. What’s next, public service announcements not to kill? Sensitivity training on not killing? Will pictures of black and white children playing together do it?

This event fits into a convenient narrative of individuals at the mercy of some malevolent sub-forces in our culture. I don’t buy it.

We want to fit things into nice neat categories. The truth is crime is perpetrated by criminals (as Dan Quayle might say), and it’s very rare that their crime was motivated by some pure thought or motive. Mostly it’s more random and idiotic. 9/11 is a conspicuous exception.

LashRambo on April 14, 2014 at 10:59 AM

I don’t get where the seemingly “universality” of anti-semitism comes from.

You see class and race warfare come and go… Near geographic racism (Japanese/Chinese/Korean for example or pre WW2 Europe) makes a certain amount of sense. But anti-semitism is seemingly all over the world AND all over time..

Skywise on April 14, 2014 at 11:00 AM

A Tweet from CBS’s Mark Knoller quoting the Dog Eater in Chief:

“Pres Obama’s prayer of the day: ‘Lord – fill my mouth with worthwhile stuff and nudge me when I’ve said enough.’”

You can’t make this stuff up….

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 11:00 AM

fyi..Frank is yanking your chain.

Couldn’t agree more about LFOD.

bazil9 on April 14, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Thank you. Still a little new around here. So ‘Frank Lib’ is kinda sorta fishin’ like Bishop, eh?? I bit…

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

What is the democrat party standard bearer and spokesperson for the entire black race and the left King Samir Shabazz up to these days? He’s a personal hero of yours, amirite?

HumpBot Salvation on April 14, 2014 at 11:04 AM

I’m not saying this shooting wasn’t tragic. But Kansas City has a very high murder rate. If the shooter and the dead had been black teens at 55th and Garfield in KCMO no one would care. No one. Its only getting press because of the white supremacy angle.

alwaysfiredup on April 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Everybody just keep in mind that in the American spectrum of politics, both Nazis and Communists are LEFT-WING.

This is clear by the similarities between their worldviews. The Communist and Nazis were both socialistic, both totalitarian, both anti-religious, both anti-Christian. Even Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda admitted that Communism and Nazism were essentially the same thing.

It was the media of the day that called the Communist left-wing and the Nazis right-wing to make a distinction between them. But when you examine their worldviews, you find that they are pretty much the same thing, just change the uniform.

Right-wing conservatives in AMERICA have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in common with the Nazis. Right-Wing Americans believe in free enterprise, freedom of religion, gun ownership for citizens, property rights, free speech, rule of law and free market/capitalism. None of that is the slightest bit compatible with either the Nazi or Communist worldviews.

Axion on April 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM

BDS movement:

As readers know, Legal Insurrection has devoted much of the past several months to fighting the academic boycott of Israel and Boycott, Divest and Sanctions movement on campus.

We have relatively few resources, and time. We do what we can do.

We helped expose the American Studies Association for the hateful group it has become, an academic pariah which has circled its wagons of BDS friends, but has not seen its boycott call spread.

We’ve covered and brought public attention to floundering campus divestment resolutions, including the collapse at Cornell, thereby puncturing the supposed inevitability of BDS. Our coverage of anti-Israel fury directed at professors and Jewish students at Vassar has served as a wake-up call as to what BDS on campus can become.

What has been most satisfying is to see the pro-Israel students organize and mobilize in the face of these threats. It’s not easy for them. They didn’t ask for it. They would rather be studying.

But they have no choice. The issue has been forced onto them by anti-Israel students, faculty and outside non-student agitators who seek to monopolize campus life and turn it into a Middle East battleground. Like these students and activists who disrupted a speech by TIAA-CREF CEO Roger Ferguson at Cornell Business School last fall: [video]

http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/04/fighting-the-anti-israel-boycott-is-an-honor/

davidk on April 14, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Didn’t this guy run for governor as a democrat?

jukin3 on April 14, 2014 at 10:22 AM

He also ran for State Senate as a Republican. The dude is all kinds of whack.

GWB on April 14, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Organizing for Action Obama in full effect.

RandallinHerndon on April 14, 2014 at 11:11 AM

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Wow, that prayer is about five years too late.

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM

In 2012, Miller was given time to speak to a class at Missouri State University by a professor who wanted his students to know that white supremacists were both real and dangerous.

Isn’t the key being able to listen to what someone else believes and not take it personally? There was a white supremacist in a chat group I was in years ago. Some people couldn’t stand him. They couldn’t get past who he was, to listen to what he believed. I listened, and learned a lot about the white supremacist mindset.

Now, I’m supposed to include the obligatory, they are “both real and dangerous”, right? I guess I could, if I took it personally. Because there were a lot of lynchings in the 1910s and 1920s in the South, right?

LashRambo on April 14, 2014 at 11:13 AM

alwaysfiredup on April 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM

That is so sad.

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Even Joseph Goebbels, the Reich Minister of Propaganda admitted that Communism and Nazism were essentially the same thing.

I’d love to see a source for that. Especially since, you know, Germany and Russia had just the teensiest bit of a conflict in WWII…

vlad martel on April 14, 2014 at 11:15 AM

This kind of virulent hatred is fading fast, but it’s not entirely gone.

No, it’s not.

Not ‘this kind’, not any kind. The powers that be, here and abroad, are *stoking* it, and it is rising daily.

Midas on April 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM

What is truly comical is his level of self-awareness. It stands at about zero…

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Hmmm Ted Nugent calls the president a “mongrel” but there’s no relationship between the far right and this kind of intense white supremacist rhetoric. I guess we are also going to ignore this guy’s statements opposing illegal immigration as “drowning” the white population and that he blames the “federal government” as working “the Jews” (aka big business) to increase illegal immigration for their own profit? If you just take out the anti-Jewish insanity, his anti-amnesty, anti-race mixing and anti-illegal immigration rhetoric is no different than Ted Nugent. I believe the right’s response to Nugent’s white supremacist rhetoric was to…attend more shows.

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

You must have been cc’d on the anti-semitic, racist talking points for Rep. Steve Israel (DEMOCRAT)

RandallinHerndon on April 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Cindy Munford on April 14, 2014 at 11:13 AM

It is. Thanks.

alwaysfiredup on April 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Yep.. ;)

bazil9 on April 14, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Thank you. Still a little new around here. So ‘Frank Lib’ is kinda sorta fishin’ like Bishop, eh?? I bit…

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Almost “exactly” like Bishop.

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 11:21 AM

I guess we are also going to ignore this guy’s statements opposing illegal immigration as “drowning” the white population and that he blames the “federal government” as working “the Jews” (aka big business) to increase illegal immigration for their own profit? If you just take out the anti-Jewish insanity, his anti-amnesty, anti-race mixing and anti-illegal immigration rhetoric is no different than Ted Nugent.

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

1) Yes we are going to ignore his statements. He is crazy and not worth listening to.

2) Prove that Ted Nugent is against race mixing. Then prove that anyone has ever endorsed his political views by voting for him.

2) I believe the whole point of this story is the anti-Jewish insanity that led him to shoot up a Jewish Community Center. But hey, if you take the main point out, you can come up with all kinds of asinine comparisons!

alwaysfiredup on April 14, 2014 at 11:23 AM

I would have thought that libfree’s sabbatical would have left him refreshed, rejuvenated and ready for battle. But alas, he is no more intelligent or polished or credible than before.

Ed, please send us better liberal trolls. It’s as if they don’t even try anymore. The old ones are just worn out and useless to us.

(Well, letting the noobs smack them around like Cheetah Cubs has it’s benefits)

hawkdriver on April 14, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Hmmm Ted Nugent calls the president a “mongrel” but there’s no relationship between the far right and this kind of intense white supremacist rhetoric.

libfreeordie on April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM

You obviously don’t know what a mongrel is, but Uncle Ted was right. Not the best choice of words, but he said nothing incorrect. I would have chosen different terminology myself. A**hole, Sh*t-for-brains, Racist M*therf**ker, just to name a few.

RandallinHerndon on April 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

I don’t get where the seemingly “universality” of anti-semitism comes from.

You see class and race warfare come and go… Near geographic racism (Japanese/Chinese/Korean for example or pre WW2 Europe) makes a certain amount of sense. But anti-semitism is seemingly all over the world AND all over time..

Skywise on April 14, 2014 at 11:00 AM

The diaspora dating from 70 AD was engineered by the Roman Empire after the destruction of Jerusalem.

In the development of early christianity there was conflict between the established Jewish communities and the Christians…the conflict was political,cultural and religious and anti-christian propaganda was written by Jewish scholars to counteract perceived heretical influence on the jewish culture and to separate traditional Judaism from Christians politically. At that time in the Roman Empire, it was dangerous enough to be a Jew but even more dangerous to be a follower of Jesus.

Most Arabic anti-semiticism dates from the rise and spread of Islam and the need to dominate established Judaism and Christianity in the region.

Most European anti-semiticism dates from the old Roman Empire days and distortions of biblical teaching combined with tribal resentment on all sides….Jews…Pagans…Christians. By the time of Constantine Jews were scattered in the diaspora and methods used to control jewish communities and migration were already well established within the government.

A new propaganda tactic used by the Arabs questions the genetic and therefore biblical authenticity of Jewish Immigrants to Israel most of whom are dominated by European Jews….This is a particularly insidious tactic.

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Not knowing and probably not ever knowing this shooter’s thought process, it brings to mind a racial killing from around the 1980s in the US.

Two auto workers are leaving a bar, and see a Chinese man outside the bar. They beat him to death with a baseball bat, because Toyota is competing for their jobs.

How can someone understand the thought processes of these two Einsteins? Now, the shooter in this article apparently had a somewhat better thought-out philosophy, but I find it difficult to attribute some greater meaning to what he did, beyond being a deranged individual act.

LashRambo on April 14, 2014 at 11:28 AM

The Dog Eater IS a mixed breed, libiot. His daddy was a philandering alcoholic who traveled the world leaving little ‘Obamas’ in every port, and his mama was a drug addled, would be porn actress with the morals of an alley cat. Hardly a pedigree that one could label anything other than a ‘mongrel’…

bimmcorp on April 14, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Someone buy this man a beer!!!

RandallinHerndon on April 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Oh, brother. brainfree is back.

MisterElephant on April 14, 2014 at 11:30 AM

@Skywise: Jews have been all over the world and all over time, too. The Bible (essentially a Jewish narrative), equally so. Anti-semitism is to Judaism as Satanism is to theism. It enjoys the attraction of any cosmology and will always attract a certain type of deranged “intellectual.”

Seth Halpern on April 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

LashRambo on April 14, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Agreed. I had a coworker buddy who would go off on racial diatribes which I took to mean he was a white supremacist. I’d listen with half an ear and roll my eyes and say he was being racist which he vehemently denied.
But overtime I realized his position was more nuanced and he was arguing for a more responsible society. (Against over immigration, wanted solutions to resolve inner-city crime; etc) (did I mention he’s a staunch pro-union democrat? Not because he’s anti-capitalist but because he believes in a balance of power)

The entire point of free speech is to allow people the ability to have free thought and debate and argue AND change the minds of those around us. I could’ve easily kept dismissing him as a racist loon but I would’ve failed to understand that he was arguing from a very rational position. That’s why the action against Eich is a dangerous sign. Boycotts are fine but Eich wasn’t ousted for firing gay people or treating them badly. He was ousted because he spoke out against gay marriage and tried to change the law through LEGAL means. The socialists are trying to depower the first amendment… You can say whatever you want… But keep your speech to yourself and don’t say it in public.

Dark times for the republic.

Skywise on April 14, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Do you know what goes: Clip clop bang, clip clop bang, clip clop bang.
A Amish drive bye shooting.

BruceB on April 14, 2014 at 11:35 AM

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