Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on April 14, 2014 by Allahpundit

Paul was one of three potential 2016 presidential aspirants who addressed the “Freedom Summit.” But while Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee mainly dished out partisan red meat barbs and one-liners that easily catered to the audience, Paul challenged the party’s image at the same time he pledged not to dilute its core principles

“If you want to be consistent, if you want to grow the movement, we cannot be the party of fat cats, rich people and Wall Street,” he said. “There’s always a bigger working class than an owner’s class. I’m not against the owner’s class but I want to tell the workers on America that we’re on their side.”…

“Cruz is making an introduction to New Hampshire voters, Huck a reintroduction. Rand’s relationship goes deeper, he is at a different stage in the process,” said the strategist.

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It is through this message, Paul says, that Republicans can find an opening with a constituency that has largely voted as a bloc for Democrats since the civil rights era. Some of this push is also reactive: Paul has previously come under fire for making controversial comments about the Civil Rights Act, and Democrats think he is extremely vulnerable on racial issues. But that doesn’t mean Paul’s views are insincere or will have no impact on GOP thinking longer-term.

“I truly do care about the injustice and what it’s done to voting,” Paul told me when we met Friday at a pizza place in downtown Manchester. “Everyone’s talking about voter ID. Voter ID is one-one thousandths of the problem compared to felony disenfranchisement. I think there’s 150,000 people in Kentucky who can’t vote because of a felony conviction. Probably half or more are black.”…

I asked Paul about the time Christie called his foreign policy “dangerous” and when former U.S. ambassador to the U.N John Bolton described Republicans like Paul as “unfit to serve.” (Both men, particularly Christie, harbor presidential ambitions of their own.)

“The people who are saying that are the dangerous people,” Paul said. “The people who wake up at night thinking of which new country they want to bomb, which new country they want to be involved in, they don’t like restraint. They don’t like reluctance to go to war. They really wouldn’t like Ronald Reagan if they read anything he wrote or were introduced to it.”

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“I’ve repeatedly voted for sanctions against Iran. And I think all options should be on the table to prevent them from having nuclear weapons,” Paul said on “This Week” Sunday. But he said those who oppose the idea of containment — or living with an Iran with nuclear weapons — ignore that such an outcome has been necessary in the past.

“They said containment will never ever, ever be our policy,” Paul said of those who oppose Iran getting nuclear weapons at any cost. “We woke up one day and Pakistan had nuclear weapons. If that would have been our policy toward Pakistan, we would be at war with Pakistan. We woke up one day and China had nuclear weapons. We woke up one day and Russia had them.”

“The people who say ‘by golly, we will never stand for that,’ they are voting for war,” he added.

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Former Rep. Ron Paul said Friday he was happy that his son, Sen. Rand Paul, opposed recent legislation that would send financial assistance to Ukraine.

“Congress just last week, they rushed to pass this guaranteed loan of a billion dollars, which is really just opening up the door for endless loans,” the Texas Republican said. “There were two senators who voted against it, and I’m very pleased my son voted against it–not that I had any doubts, I tell ya.”…

Rand Paul hasn’t been quite as strident about staying out of the Ukraine situation as his father. In fact, he argued last month that President Obama was failing to project Ronald Reagan’s “peace through strength” policy, and he called for the United States to be even more aggressive on its diplomatic efforts relating to Russia.

“It is our role as a global leader to be the strongest nation in opposing Russia’s latest aggression,” he wrote in an opinion piece.

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If I were Adelson, and I considered it desperately important to keep one of America’s major parties closer to my hawkishly pro-Israel views, I would simply give a Ted Cruz-aligned super PAC $200 million at the start of the next election and pledge to give it $200 million more should that money be needed. Let Cruz’s money advantage make him the more attractive “populist Tea Party alternative” to the GOP’s establishment candidates. Save a few hundred million more and dangle it in front of every other GOP aspirant but Paul and watch the field unify in their opposition to the Kentucky senator and his libertarian policies. Just make it rain and watch GOP polls contort themselves…

Money can make an unflattering campaign story: “Paul lagging in funds.” And money can amplify that story: Conservatives doubting Paul can overcome money hurdles.

Perhaps the Paul camp would welcome such a unified opposition. After all, it would grant his us-vs-them fundraising campaigns quite a bit of legitimacy. Surely, his grassroots-savvy team could light a few money-bomb campaigns with that. But does even Paul believe that a presidential campaign can run on $100 checks sent in by hepped-up liberty advocates?

To win, Paul and his anti-interventionist cadres must develop a fundraising apparatus as well-organized, as active, and as deep-pocketed as the one he faces. Until the media is buzzing about “Paul bundlers,” “Paul angels,” and “Paul-billionaires,” I wouldn’t bet on him winning the GOP nomination.

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That is just one example of the balancing act Mr. Paul is attempting as he prepares for a likely White House bid in 2016. Trying to leap from tea-party firebrand to GOP standard-bearer, the freshman senator is courting the party leaders and fundraisers crucial to a national campaign, while mostly keeping faith with the libertarian base that made him a Republican Party phenom.

A test comes on April 25, when Spencer Zwick, the national finance chairman for Mitt Romney’s presidential campaigns, is slated to introduce top donors in Boston to Mr. Paul. While some fundraisers say Mr. Paul’s resistance to the use of military force abroad disqualifies him from leading the GOP, others are intrigued by his efforts to grow the party by reaching out to young and minority audiences…

“We’re building a winning coalition, and we want the Republican Party to see that,” said Doug Stafford, one of Mr. Paul’s top political advisers…

His noninterventionist posture makes Mr. Paul too extreme for many GOP rainmakers. “His name doesn’t even come up in my circles,” said Florida real-estate developer Mel Sembler, a veteran fundraiser trying to draft former Gov. Jeb Bush for 2016. “Sen. Paul is pretty isolationist. We’re a leader in the world, and we shouldn’t abandon that philosophy.”

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Cruz, who came to the Senate two years after Paul, appears to be muscling him out of first place in Tea Partiers’ hearts. Where Paul calls himself a “libertarian Republican,” Cruz touts his full-spectrum conservatism on fiscal, social, and foreign policy. Cruz aggressively championed the push to defund Obamacare that helped lead to last fall’s government shutdown (Paul also backed it, but tepidly), an act that made him a pariah in Washington but a hero to the grassroots. Paul got lots of attention for staging a 13-hour filibuster on the Obama Administration’s use of drones last March; Cruz transparently copied the tactic with an even longer speech on Obamacare in September…

Cruz, on the other hand, told the crowd only what he knew it wanted to hear. His speech, unlike Paul’s, was infused with personality, beginning with cute stories about his young daughters. Of his defiant five-year-old, Caroline, who likes to play a game she calls “attack the Daddy,” he mused that she must be taking her cues from Senate Republican leadership.

Cruz, like Paul, made a populist appeal: “The rich and powerful, those who walk the corridors of power, are getting fat and happy” under the current administration, he said. At one point, someone in the crowd yelled, “Thank you!” And when he finished with a defiant promise to “repeal every single word of Obamacare,” the crowd was on its feet.

In interviews with a dozen audience members, I could find only one who preferred Paul to Cruz.

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Citing the work of Henry Olsen, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, Balz wrote: “The most conservative wing generally gets the most attention, but the voters who count most in the GOP nomination process are those who say they are ‘somewhat conservative.’ This is the largest group nationally and is consistently a big presence in all the states, unlike some of the other factions. ‘They are not very vocal but they form the bedrock base of the Republican Party,’ Olsen writes. ‘They also have a significant distinction: they always back the winner.’”

These “bedrock” voters don’t show up at straw polls. They don’t wave signs or show up at rallies. They do, however, vote. And, while much has been made of the Tea Party overpowering the establishment in congressional primaries, it’s important to remember that presidential primaries bring out a much bigger and more diverse electorate. Paul’s association with his father and the libertarian movement are a likely red flag to these more traditional voters.

I get why the media loves covering Rand Paul. He’s actively challenging GOP orthodoxy. He likes talking to reporters. He’s multi-dimensional. But, that doesn’t automatically translate into “frontrunner” status. He has some significant hurdles he’ll need to climb before then. He’s like a house with instant curb appeal, but we don’t know if the house is sturdy until we start poking around at the infrastructure. At the end of the day, Rand Paul’s biggest challenge won’t be convincing people he can expand the base of the party. It will be in convincing the traditional and establishment Republican base of the party that he is truly presidential material.

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@Igor Some of us ain’t single issue voters. If you are, thats fine. Reminds me of the gilled one.

tommy71 on April 15, 2014 at 1:20 AM

……could be a Gilled One Sock Puppet……..could be…..never know….

williamg on April 15, 2014 at 1:22 AM

No bloody moon yet :(

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 1:23 AM

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 1:01 AM

*tip fedora*..:)

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on April 15, 2014 at 1:24 AM

SOMETHING HUGE JUST HAPPENED AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS IGNORING IT: http://t.co/N19tmUpegk

idesign on April 14, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Mark will have something to say about this, no doubt. He’s off for Passover now. It will be interesting to hear what he has to say about it.

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 1:13 AM

THIS is a “Big Effin’ DEAL!!”

williamg on April 15, 2014 at 1:18 AM

“Based on several reports and opinions, Michigan is the 34th state to issue such a call and therefore presents the constitutionally-required number of states to begin the process of achieving a balanced budget amendment,” Hunter wrote.

“With the recent decision by Michigan lawmakers, it is important that the House – and those of us who support a balanced budget amendment — determine whether the necessary number of states have acted and the appropriate role of Congress should this be the case.”

If two-thirds of the states indeed have applied, the ball is presumably in Congress’ court to call the convention.

But Article V is rather vague, and it’s ultimately unclear whether 34 states have technically applied. In the past, states like Oregon, Utah and Arizona have quietly voted to approve the provision in their legislature.

But some of the 34 or so have rescinded their requests. Others have rescinded, and then re-applied.

Alabama rescinded its request in 1988 but in 2011, lawmakers again applied for a convention related to an amendment requiring that the federal budget be balanced. It was a similar story in Florida in 2010.

Louisiana rescinded in 1990 but lawmakers have tried several times, unsuccessfully, to reinstate the application since then.

It’s unclear whether the applications still count in these scenarios.

Some constitutional scholars like Gregory Watson, an analyst in Texas, say once states ask, there may be no take-backs.

“There is a disagreement among scholars as to whether a state that has approved an application may later rescind that application,” Watson told The Washington Times. “If it is ultimately adjudicated that a state may not rescind a prior application, then Ohio’s 2013 application for a Balanced Budget Amendment convention would be the 33 rd and Michigan’s 2014 application would be the 34th on that topic.”

Others say if a state changes its mind, it can no longer be part of the 34.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 1:25 AM

Dire, you’re in and I’m signing out. Adios amigo.

tommy71 on April 15, 2014 at 1:25 AM

Read deeper into the article, some states have rescinded. I don’t really know what that means.

John the Libertarian on April 15, 2014 at 1:22 AM

Exactly..:)

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on April 15, 2014 at 1:26 AM

Mmm!Burratas!

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 1:26 AM

tommy71 on April 15, 2014 at 1:25 AM

Later..:)

Dire Straits on April 15, 2014 at 1:27 AM

…Buckets Of Rain…..

williamg on April 15, 2014 at 1:27 AM

http://therightscoop.com/kelly-files-exclusive-behind-the-scenes-look-at-nevada-ranch-showdown-via-filmmaker-dennis-michael-lynch/

MontanaMmmm on April 15, 2014 at 1:21 AM

I never thought that my President will arm my enemies to kill me,
and send armed Americans to kill fellow Americans,
all the while preaching that the US meheeco border can’t be guarded and secured ,
while sending unarmed US agents in to meheeco .
For the first time, our enemy is in the WH.

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 1:31 AM

Perry and Walker have BOTH came out for Amnesty, and Jindal is a squish. Don’t you guys understand that once Amnesty is passed, it’s good buy good ol’ USofA? It’s frustrating to see people just not care about the most important subject of our time. Haven’t you heard Pelosi and friends wax poetic about how they don’t care about the midterms just as long as they pass Amnesty? Can’t you understand what’s important and what isn’t? Jeez…like little kids. “But Walker stood up to the unions”. So did the f**ing lardass from New Jersey.

Igor R. on April 15, 2014 at 1:18 AM

Yes. Walker is an amnesty shill.

75%+ of Repubs don’t want amnesty, and it’s the critical issue. We need to take the amnesty pushers off the table, and apparently that now includes Rand Paul.

Go with Cruz! His ad Stand For Principle shows he’s got what it takes to get us ALL fired up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Fk5Ga6wCM&info=CruzAd

anotherJoe on April 15, 2014 at 1:34 AM

Exactly..:)

Dire Straits on April 15, 2014 at 1:26 AM

Evenin’ Dire. I think I’m hittin’ the hay, tho’.

John the Libertarian on April 15, 2014 at 1:36 AM

Jeez…like little kids.

Igor R. on April 15, 2014 at 1:18 AM

I know. Single-issue voters are morons, huh? Sky if falling! End of days!

John the Libertarian on April 15, 2014 at 1:37 AM

I never thought that my President will arm my enemies to kill me,
and send armed Americans to kill fellow Americans,
all the while preaching that the US meheeco border can’t be guarded and secured ,
while sending unarmed US agents in to meheeco .
For the first time, our enemy is in the WH.

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 1:31 AM

I believe the Branch Davidians would legitimately dispute this.

non-nonpartisan on April 15, 2014 at 1:40 AM

I supposed he was compiling his library to hide it from the Apache since the two power supplies didn’t arrive in time to jiggle robo girls boobs.

SparkPlug on April 15, 2014 at 1:10 AM

I miss those. So much.

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 1:47 AM

MontanaMmmm on April 15, 2014 at 1:21 AM

I saw that guy on MK’s fox show..
he said the feds paid a Utah rancher 975,000 on contract to go
round up all the cows..
question…
with 975,000 to the Utah guy and the cost of 200 fed agents
food and lodging plus court dates…lawyers…paperwork…ect..
haven’t the fed overspent what they say this man owes by now??

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 1:48 AM

evening DS..
no blood moon here…were getting snow..
so..im waiting for the live slooh show at 2am here
http://www.space.com/19195-night-sky-planets-asteroids-webcasts.html

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 1:50 AM

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 1:48 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on April 15, 2014 at 1:51 AM

Refusing to grow up, they are easily misled by others more crafty and intelligent then themselves. oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 1:12 AM

Agreed, and that is what happens politically when all people watch is the MSM; or listen to the slickmasters, aka politicians.

The new media is so important in getting the truth out. It won’t convert all, but the one thing it does do is cause doubt in the minds of many. Also, the reality of Obamacare bears witness to the truth that’s been stated time & time again.

So, we press on and never give up.

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 1:52 AM

Goodnight y’all!
Got to get some sleep….and the caffeine has finally worn off. :)

Doc Holliday on April 15, 2014 at 1:52 AM

How come the moon looks big in my eye but small in my camera?

Some sort of optical conclusions?

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 1:53 AM

Has any member of Congress besides Reid made any statement about the Nevada situation? Drudge has some add’l links up, but haven’t had time to read them.

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 1:55 AM

Igor R. on April 15, 2014 at 1:15 AM

I haven’t see you since 2012, IIRC:-) You never were one to mince words!

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 1:57 AM

I believe the Branch Davidians would legitimately dispute this.

non-nonpartisan on April 15, 2014 at 1:40 AM

I agree.
Strange isn’t it that Clinton protected binLaden but had no problem killing Americans in America ?

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 1:58 AM

OT

http://therightscoop.com/kelly-files-exclusive-behind-the-scenes-look-at-nevada-ranch-showdown-via-filmmaker-dennis-michael-lynch/

MontanaMmmm on April 15, 2014 at 1:21 AM

I’ll take a look in a bit, thanks. Mr. Bundy and his two sons were on Hannity TV tonight. One of the very few times since 2012 that I’ve watched Fox.

Right Scoop is a great site and they most always have the videos.

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 2:01 AM

haven’t the fed overspent what they say this man owes by now??

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 1:48 AM

Irrelevant. When your source of revenue is based on the fear of consequences of failure to pay, anyone who looks like they might be getting away with not paying must be made an example of otherwise nobody will fear the consequences of not paying.

The Federal Government holds an exclusive monopoly on violence.

state monopoly on violence, in political science and sociology, the concept that the state alone has the right to use or authorize the use of physical force. It is widely regarded as a defining characteristic of the modern state.

In his lecture “”Politics as a Vocation”” (1918), the German sociologist Max Weber defines the state as a “human community that (successfully) claims the monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force within a given territory.” Under feudalism, no lords, including the king, could claim a monopoly over the use of violence, since their vassals promised to serve them but remained free to exercise power in their fiefdoms. Moreover, the king and the landed nobility had to share power or compete with the Roman Catholic Church. The modern state, according to Weber, emerged by expropriating the means of political organization and domination, including violence, and by establishing the legitimacy of its rule.

As the use of the term legitimate underlines, this concept does not imply that the state is the only actor actually using violence but rather that it is the only actor that can legitimately authorize its use. The state can grant another actor the right to use violence without losing its monopoly, as long as it remains the only source of the right to use violence and that it maintains the capacity to enforce this monopoly. The state monopoly on the legitimate use of violence is also not refuted by the use of illegitimate violence. Criminal organizations may undermine order without being able to challenge the state monopoly and establish themselves as a parallel source of legitimate rule.

The state monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force can be challenged by a number of nonstate actors such as political insurgents or terrorists or by state actors such as the military forces claiming autonomy from the state.

That monopoly on violence is what ultimately allows the State to collect taxes, fines, license and regulatory fee’s, seize property and incarcerate individuals. If the State loses, or appears to lose that monopoly on violence, it loses the ability to collect taxes, fines, license and regulatory fee’s, seize property and incarcerate individuals without being subject to an equal and retaliatory application of violence.

A open out break of violence at the Bundy Ranch would have done far more to threaten the Federal Governments monopoly on violence, then backing off and sweeping the retreat under the carpet would, so they backed off.

The State can and will go after Cliven Bundy again and again and again until they prove that resistance is futile.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 2:03 AM

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 1:25 AM

We’ll just have to wait for Levin to clear that up. I don’t know if his book Liberty Amendments would cover that or not.

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 2:04 AM

282,000 people are watching the eclipse live on Slooh right now.

if only our government could build such a web site…we’d be set..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:04 AM

Some sort of optical conclusions?

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 1:53 AM

Because your camera does not wax philosophical about the moon, it just records the facts.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 2:06 AM

The eclipse is showing !!
Not bloody yet !
BTW, have they securely locked up Biden today ?

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 2:07 AM

282,000 people are watching the eclipse live on Slooh right now.

if only our government could build such a web site…we’d be set..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:04 AM

ROTFLMAO… 282,000 people are not watching the moon live, they are watching it on their computer. If they were watching it live, they would be outside watching it.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 2:08 AM

Because your camera does not wax philosophical about the moon, it just records the facts.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 2:06 AM

That answer is excellent.

. . . I’ll be outside singing to Sophie and asking God questions.

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 2:11 AM

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 2:03 AM

I agree with that 100%
it also shows, to those willing to see, a over reaching jack boot fed..
they own 85% of the state..
they don’t use the land
they don’t need the land
they have never used or needed the land..
I would wager that mr Bundy knows more about how to manage that land
than any two bit politician…
if his grandfather had overgrazed or misused the land
they would have been out of business 80 years ago..

eclipse at 20%..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:13 AM

Clouds are conspiring against the moon :(

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 2:15 AM

282,000 people are not watching the moon live, they are watching it on their computer. If they were watching it live, they would be outside watching it.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 2:08 AM

I never said they were watching the moon live…

I stated he facts..

“282,000 people are watching the eclipse live on Slooh right now.”
btw…its 346,0000 now…

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:15 AM

stated THE facts…sheesh..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:16 AM

BTW, have they securely locked up Biden today ?

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 2:07 AM

He’s on his way to Ukraine. Loony move.

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 2:18 AM

Music for a blood moon

Grateful Dead – “Dark Star”

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 2:21 AM

Watching the eclipse from the balcony in Socal.

MichaelGabriel on April 15, 2014 at 2:24 AM

He’s on his way to Ukraine. Loony move.

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 2:18 AM

Is he carrying his shotgun ?

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 2:24 AM

Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun.

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 2:25 AM

Is he carrying his shotgun ?

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 2:24 AM

Doesn’t he always?

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 2:28 AM

MichaelGabriel on April 15, 2014 at 2:24 AM

the Slooh site is using the telescope from
The Griffith Observatory
so those of us that live where its SNOWING tonight
are watching the same view you have….looks great in HD..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:33 AM

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:33 AM

Mouse over to the little clock at the bottom. ‘Watch later’

I’ll get right on that…

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 2:35 AM

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:33 AM

Watching inland, north of Palomar. A little bit of high haze, but viewable.

MichaelGabriel on April 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:04 AM

That site is confusing. Each video is different. One has the pic of the moon with music. One other is talking about Mars (:-) and showing sketches and I don’t know what the other 2 are doing.

I don’t know which one to watch!!

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM

Evening all!

g2m, I can see the moon from my camera lens. It has a hazy halo around it but then there is huge outer ring around it. It’s about half covered now… Why is there an outer ring that is so far from the moon? Don’t have to answer now… just wonderin’.

Oh, I really hope the amendment convention kicks into gear.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 2:41 AM

Lanceman on April 15

can you translate that out of Floridian for me ?

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:42 AM

‘Blood Moon’ lunar eclipse, April 15, 2014
51s
Photo: Lunar eclipse halfway through its cycle – @KevinTakumi

https://twitter.com/KevinTakumi/status/455957828352475136/photo/1

canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 2:45 AM

can you translate that out of Floridian for me ?

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:42 AM

Nah. Too much trouble. :P

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 2:45 AM

That site is confusing. Each video is different. One has the pic of the moon with music. One other is talking about Mars (:-) and showing sketches and I don’t know what the other 2 are doing.

I don’t know which one to watch!!

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM

bluefox:

Another Link:)

http://www.ccssc.org/webcast.html

canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 2:48 AM

Lanceman on April 15

did you see the woman that got mauled down your way today??
Lake Mary…a black bear got her…she’s ok I think
the feds rounded up and shot 5 bears I read..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:49 AM

Some space music :

Jean Michel Jarre – Oxygene II

MichaelGabriel on April 15, 2014 at 2:49 AM

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM

I am watching the first vid link
under the banner…
says Griffith Observatory in the lower corner

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:52 AM

That site is confusing. Each video is different. One has the pic of the moon with music. One other is talking about Mars (:-) and showing sketches and I don’t know what the other 2 are doing.

I don’t know which one to watch!!

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgalEQu7ReA#t=4113

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 2:53 AM

Why is there an outer ring that is so far from the moon? Don’t have to answer now… just wonderin’.

Oh, I really hope the amendment convention kicks into gear.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 2:41 AM

31giddyup:)
==============

Atmospheric Optics

http://www.atoptics.co.uk/

Ice Crystal Halos

Ice halo displays range from the familiar circle around the sun or moon to rare and prized events when the whole sky is webbed by intricate arcs.

Tiny ice crystals in the atmosphere create halos by refracting and reflecting light.

Halos bestow a delicate beauty to the skies and tell us about the crystals inhabiting the clouds.

Find out how halos are formed, when and where to see them in the skies.

Create your own halo displays by downloading the full colour simulator program, HaloSim.

http://www.atoptics.co.uk/halosim.htm

http://spaceweather.com/

canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 2:54 AM

Hi ‘Canopfor
Just tried your most recent link for moon. No happening. Using Ipad, may be the problem.
Thank you for all the posts/links you put up. Most grateful.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 2:56 AM

sorry 31giddyup
ty canopfor

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:56 AM

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgalEQu7ReA#t=4113

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 2:53 AM

THANK YOU!!

bluefox on April 15, 2014 at 2:59 AM

Canopfor,Thanks for the halo info too!
So wierd to have seen that larger ring a good distance from the moon too. I wasn’t a normal “it’s going to rain tomorrow” kind ring. From the looks of the the picture you sent people are getting a clearer shot than I am.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 3:01 AM

It’s RED

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 3:06 AM

It’s RED

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 3:06 AM

Thank you, kcewa

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 3:08 AM

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 2:03 AM

I agree with that 100%
it also shows, to those willing to see, a over reaching jack boot fed..
they own 85% of the state..
they don’t use the land
they don’t need the land
they have never used or needed the land..
I would wager that mr Bundy knows more about how to manage that land
than any two bit politician…
if his grandfather had overgrazed or misused the land
they would have been out of business 80 years ago..

eclipse at 20%..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:13 AM

The Feds are in a undesirable an untenable situation. They have a machine running that they cannot stop and are no longer in control of. They do not know what to do. Greed and averse have made the machine begin to break down. As their grip on the throttle grows ever tighter, the machine becomes ever more unstable.

America is locked into a mentality which demands an ever increasing growth percentage. The federal government keeps growing, as it grows more and more people become dependent on it. Not just the entitlement class mind you, but everyone employed either directly or indirectly by the federal government.

While many, (myself included) believe that the answer is to shrink the size of the government, that answer is not as simple as firing 5 million federal employees and 25 million people whose income is derived indirectly from the federal government.

The catastrophic shock to the economy of doing that would be terminal. Congress and the Senate are scared to death to lower the current tax rates or reduce the current levels of regulatory fee’s and fines because they are already struggling to collect the revenues required to meet their financial obligations.

The problem is, that the more they continue to increase taxes, regulatory fee’s and fines, the more they contract the economy. They are literally strangling the economy to death. The more they increase their strangle hold over the economy, the more disgruntled the general population becomes. The more likely that repeat episode of Gold Butte will take place.

The Fed needs desperately to accept reality, to freeze all new hires and begin slowly eliminating federal employees and reducing contracted services. They also need to drastically reduce the tax rates, regulatory fee’s and fines.

America need to wake up and understand the reality of the world. Socialism/Marxism does not work, and you cannot have a service based economy, you actually have to manufacture products in order to create wealth. The products you produce both have to be in demand world wide and be manufactured at a cost that makes them affordable to your customers.

The American economy will continue to decay and shrink until the federal government understands that more is less and less is more. The fed absolutely needs to revitalize American manufacturing, to do that, they need to take their oppressive boot off of the business communities neck.

Congress absolutely must stop passing new laws, and start repealing old laws. Congress absolutely must be placed under financial gain restriction on their legislative actions. They absolutely must be placed under a system wherein they are held personally and financially liable for the failures and unintended consequences of their legislative actions.

And no, losing an election does not constitute being held personally or financially accountable for their legislative actions.

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 3:10 AM

sorry 31giddyup
ty canopfor

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:56 AM

No worries, g2m. If she’s dancing with Fred, I’m jealous. Love that guy!

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 3:11 AM

I just checked again outside.. IT’S SNOWING EVEN HARDER..!!!
I hope those of you that can see it live outside are enjoying it..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:11 AM

Had to Re-Booty,..boinking computer!

‘Blood Moon’ lunar eclipse, April 15, 2014
1m
The total eclipse, when the entire moon is bathed in Earth’s shadow, will start at 03:07 a.m. ET – @LATimes
read more on latimes.com

canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 3:11 AM

31giddyup on April 15

she was dancing with Gene…

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:12 AM

I just checked again outside.. IT’S SNOWING EVEN HARDER..!!!
I hope those of you that can see it live outside are enjoying it..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:11 AM

going2mars: We still have light snow,..I share your pain:)

canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 3:12 AM

Bonnie Tyler – Total Eclipse of the Heart

non-nonpartisan on April 15, 2014 at 3:13 AM

Hi ‘Canopfor
Just tried your most recent link for moon. No happening. Using Ipad, may be the problem.
Thank you for all the posts/links you put up. Most grateful.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 2:56 AM

31giddyup:Hmmmmm,..try going off the SpaceWeather Linky,
Helio thingy, is at the bottom:)

canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 3:15 AM

I hope those of you that can see it live outside are enjoying it..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:11 AM

It’s beautiful!

4Grace on April 15, 2014 at 3:15 AM

‘Blood Moon’ lunar eclipse, April 15, 2014
26s
Photo: Lunar eclipse produces ‘Blood Moon’ effect – @NASA

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/455967146888028160/photo/1

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/455967146888028160/photo/1/large

canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM

It’s beautiful!

4Grace on April 15

thank you…

where is my global warming now …!!!!

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:20 AM

At last, the sign. My hour’s come.

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 3:20 AM

I’m not sure that’s the same moon as before. They may have changed it while it was hidden? No telling what they could have done with it.

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 3:22 AM

did you see the woman that got mauled down your way today??
Lake Mary…a black bear got her…she’s ok I think
the feds rounded up and shot 5 bears I read..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:49 AM

Happens a lot. They can come right up to the windows. But they usually are scared and run. This one apparently didn’t.

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 3:23 AM

This thing is eerie hangin’ out there like that.

Do you all suppose, that somewhere, verbaloon and the rest of that gang are barking at it?

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 3:24 AM

Leave it to the loon.Rand Paul cares more about the rights of convicted felons than insuring the integrity of our electoral process.Pothead power!

redware on April 15, 2014 at 3:25 AM

where is my global warming now …!!!!

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:20 AM

We had a bit of snow this morning, but though it’s still very cold, the sky is crystal clear. I was up working or I would have missed it.

I know how you love stuff like this, so I hope the weather eases enough for you to get an outdoors view. :)

4Grace on April 15, 2014 at 3:26 AM

Do you all suppose, that somewhere, verbaloon and the rest of that gang are barking at it?

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 3:24 AM

Drum circles. Pagan rituals.

Then, they wake up tomorrow and Obamacare still sucks.

MichaelGabriel on April 15, 2014 at 3:27 AM

g2m & canopfor,

Weather flipflops between the 70′s and 80′s here. Our Sierras are hurting. Snow pack isn’t even near the levels we need and it hasn’t rained all that much this winter/spring. The ag industry is going to be hurting big time.
Curse some of your snow this way please.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 3:27 AM

did you see the woman that got mauled down your way today??
Lake Mary…a black bear got her…she’s ok I think
the feds rounded up and shot 5 bears I read..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 2:49 AM

going2mars:

Speaking of bears:)

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canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 3:30 AM

I agree.
Strange isn’t it that Clinton protected binLaden but had no problem killing Americans in America ?

burrata on April 15, 2014 at 1:58 AM

While it’s true that previous presidents had acted in un- and sometimes even anti-American ways, Clinton and his “I loathe the military” was the first one to have a pervasive disdainful attitude about us I think. Not much he would have done could have suprised me.

non-nonpartisan on April 15, 2014 at 3:31 AM

oscarwilde on April 15, 2014 at 3:10 AM

im with ya ..
though I think your could close the NEA and no one would know..
a more consumer based flatter tax code.. fire the IRS
and then raffle off the chance to push the plunger on the old building…
I could pick a few others…
and the part about manufacturing said many times..
which is a chat with union labor you’ll have to have..
35/hour is way more than the Chinese pay to put a bumper on a car..
it’s a mess that need solutions now…
I am also in the camp that thinks “take the senate now”..
cleanse after you have the numbers…spend your time and money to take seats…not toss your enemies out ..
and i’m told i’m wrong here…so there’s that
I’ll take Sen Colburn for an example…he won like 70% in his election..
vote maybe 80-85% the way we would like…
but I hear talk everyday he (and others) are too soft and must go..
I believe we should spend that money and effort to take a new seat..
not try and toss out a 82%’er..
remember ..im in Michigan…Levin has NEVER voted my way in 40 years.. so a 70 or 80 or 90%’er looks different to me up here..
(yes I know tom is retiring)

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:33 AM

g2m & canopfor,

Weather flipflops between the 70′s and 80′s here. Our Sierras are hurting. Snow pack isn’t even near the levels we need and it hasn’t rained all that much this winter/spring. The ag industry is going to be hurting big time.
Curse some of your snow this way please.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 3:27 AM

31giddyup: That doesn’t sound good,..I’ll send in the Fourth Polar Vortex,
minus the Polar, er wait,..(sarc):)

canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 3:33 AM

This thing is eerie hangin’ out there like that.

Do you all suppose, that somewhere, verbaloon and the rest of that gang are barking at it?

Lanceman on April 15, 2014 at 3:24 AM

Ozzy – Bark At The Moon

non-nonpartisan on April 15, 2014 at 3:35 AM

4Grace on April 15

thanks for the wishes…not tonight here..
its suppose to snow till morning..

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:38 AM

canopfor on April 15

no no no if she wants it send her the whole deal…polar n all

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:39 AM

Canopfor,Thanks for the halo info too!
So wierd to have seen that larger ring a good distance from the moon too. I wasn’t a normal “it’s going to rain tomorrow” kind ring. From the looks of the the picture you sent people are getting a clearer shot than I am.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 3:01 AM

31giddyup: I’ve seen, a Sun and Moon Halo,..I too had to look it up,
what the cause was!:)

canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 3:41 AM

At last, the sign. My hour’s come.

Axe on April 15, 2014 at 3:20 AM

WAIT! Let me get the band-aides first.
You do know it’s the night for doing that blood brother/sister thing, right?
So put the chicken bones, voodoo dolls, and sharp blades away.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 3:46 AM

canopfor on April 15

no no no if she wants it send her the whole deal…polar n all

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:39 AM

going2mars: Lol,…..:)

canopfor on April 15, 2014 at 3:50 AM

even my star chaser night sky program knows this is going on…
its a damn simulation and has a better view than I do..
(im reaching for the scotch)
http://stellarium.org/

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:52 AM

Somewhere Hillary is watching the moon turn to blood and proclaiming

The Season of the Witch

kcewa on April 15, 2014 at 3:53 AM

Went out about 2:15 – shoveled 3 ” of snow off the porch and ‘tried’ to see the moon – NOPE.. tooooo much clouds… boo… Was out for about 5 minutes – COLD …24 degrees !!! came back in to warm up…. dangit !! It was 65 yesterday !!! Thanks for the links to watch it INSIDE on my puter… Flint will be setting an all time record for snow this year, with what they are getting tonight – I KNOW we set an ALL time record for snow & COLDEST WINTER IN MY LIFETIME !!! And, here it is BACK again….

kathyk

kennedyk49 on April 15, 2014 at 3:53 AM

canopfor on April 15

no no no if she wants it send her the whole deal…polar n all

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:39 AM

Oh no. Not the whole thing. Just a smidgen…

I’ve done more looking up of science tonight than I did in high school. My head hurts.

31giddyup on April 15, 2014 at 3:54 AM

31giddyup on April 15

should we be reaching for the garlic too.. and a cross…
and a wooden stake…?
that sounded like axe the vampire or maybe axe the impaler..

ps..clark gable is in this movie so you should like that..
mumbles. Claudette Colbert

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 3:57 AM

Klaus Nomi – Total Eclipse

non-nonpartisan on April 15, 2014 at 3:58 AM

kennedyk49 on April 15

your just north of me….waves

going2mars on April 15, 2014 at 4:00 AM

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