Carville: If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party as we know it is finished

posted at 4:01 pm on April 14, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via RCP, the key words are “as we know it.” The obvious rebuttal is that the Democratic Party “as we know it” didn’t go extinct in 1988 when it lost its third election in a row. It nominated a southern candidate in 1992 who tacked towards the center and ended up holding the White House for the rest of the decade. But Democrats then weren’t in the position that the GOP’s in now. There was no significant third-party movement-in-waiting on the left like there is on the right with the tea party. How many presidential losses will it take to cause a rupture?

Let’s say we nominate another establishment favorite; Jeb is the likeliest bet, but if he doesn’t run, it could be that the donor class lines up behind Christie and buys him the nomination. Imagine he loses to Hillary. Losing three presidential elections in a row with three candidates disdained by the GOP base guarantees some sort of shake-up for 2020. Either conservatives really will start leaving the party in droves or, in order to keep them in the tent, establishmentarians will have to throw them a bone and embrace a more grassroots candidate for the next election. The status quo, where the party perennially puts forth centrists while its core constituency clamors for someone more ideological, couldn’t continue. At a minimum, tea partiers would conclude that if they’re going to have their hearts broken every four years, they might as well do it with their own nominee, whom they respect, than climb aboard the GOP’s train to nowhere.

Now let’s say that tea partiers somehow manage to thwart the establishment this time. Imagine that Jeb falls flat for dynastic reasons, Christie flames out because of Bridgegate, and Rubio can’t get traction as a last-ditch back-up establishment choice. Ted Cruz stuns the world in Iowa and New Hampshire and wins the nomination — and then he loses to Hillary. Where does the party go from there? The base’s longstanding thesis, that the GOP would surely recapture the White House if it put forth a loud-and-proud “true conservative” as nominee, would be shattered. But centrists, having lost with McCain and Romney, wouldn’t be in a position to capitalize. I don’t know what happens to at that point (although grassroots righties would probably blame the RINOs for stabbing Cruz in the back and demand a do-over with another right-wing candidate next time), but the pressure on both sides to find a winning alternative in 2020 would be immense. Neither party has won four elections in a row in the age of presidential term limits. The idea that the GOP would change fundamentally somehow in order to prevent it isn’t entirely out of left field.

The X factor here is if it nominates Rand Paul in 2016 and he ends up losing. I can see both sides treating that as an aberration — establishmentarians would cite it as a lesson of what happens when you nominate someone beloved by the base and tea partiers would claim that Paul wasn’t a true conservative but rather a quirky libertarian whose eccentricities ultimately tripped him up. That would, in theory, reset the whole game for 2020, with centrists insisting that only a pro-amnesty hawk will play in the purple states and grassroots righties insisting that they still haven’t had a chance to see how one of their own, like Cruz or Palin, would fare as nominee. In that one (and only one) weird sense, Rand Paul is the guy most likely to preserve the Republican “status quo” until the end of the decade.


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If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party United States as we know it is finished

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:04 PM

If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party United States as we know it is finished

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Damn, beat me to it…

OmahaConservative on April 14, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Personally I think it’s already over. They don’t seem to put up any opposition to anything anymore do they?

DanMan on April 14, 2014 at 4:05 PM

If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party United States as we know it is finished

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:04 PM

^^^
This

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 4:05 PM

It is amazing how people lack historical perspectives… Was the Republican party finished forever when the democrats totally dominated in the 1930′s and 1940′? How about when the democrats controlled the House of Representatives from 1954 to 1994?…

mnjg on April 14, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Can we have term limits on pundits,lobbyists and campaign consultants?

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 4:07 PM

I want to know how Mary Matalin can stand him.

vityas on April 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Hey, ET, don’t you have a home to go to?

MisterElephant on April 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Yep, sure would be a shame to lose the party of Boehner, Cantor, McCain, and Graham…I might have to be put on suicide watch.

Bishop on April 14, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Start by not believing of listening to this vile little man.

#1 – Hillary is no shoe-in – she was a crappy candidate in 2008 – remember?

#2 – Rahm Emanuel & Andrew Cuomo want to be POTUS – and they both dislike Hillary.

Hillary is not a sure thing – not by a long shot.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:09 PM

If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party United States as we know it is finished

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Mega dittos.

rbj on April 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM

I want to know how Mary Matalin can stand him.

vityas on April 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

I suspect he separates his public persona from his private – almost completely.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM

If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party United States as we know it is finished

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:04 PM

And if the GOP nominates a ‘moderate’ then, in the long run, it really doesn’t matter who wins.

Fenris on April 14, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I suspect he separates his public persona from his private – almost completely.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM

He can’t separate that face.

bazil9 on April 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM

If Billary wins in 2016, she’s a lock on 2020. By then, the Dems will have secured the Senate and, probably, the House. At that point, 60% of the electorate goes on welfare, third worlders will make up a plurality of the populace and we go straight to Hell in a hand basket, aka, Weimar Republic.

vnvet on April 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM

I suspect Carvile is Ulsterman Report’s White House insider.

Roy Rogers on April 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Carville has spewed this line before about the GOP, I think in 08. He’s smart but just a rabble rowser. He carries the water for the Clintons like no other.

major dad on April 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM

If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party as we know it is should be finished

Lanceman on April 14, 2014 at 4:13 PM

He can’t separate that face.

bazil9 on April 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Posted at 4:12 – it is 4:13 and I am still laughing hard. Oh man

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Can we have term limits on pundits,lobbyists and campaign consultants?

workingclass artist on April 14, 2014 at 4:07 PM

We do, in a manner of speaking. Sadly, far too many don’t reach their term limit until death, and average life expectancy for politicians is headed in the wrong direction, at least for the health of the nation.

To die after occupying office for decade after decade; it’s what the Founders dreamed of for America’s political class!

xNavigator on April 14, 2014 at 4:14 PM

What does the GOP stand for today? On major issues, is it really that different from Obama?

El_Terrible on April 14, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Serpent head, for once in his life may be right.

De Oppresso Liber on April 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Come on people – have a little confidence – this called “tamping down the GOP”

The pendulum will swing back – it always has – it always will

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM

He can’t separate that face.

bazil9 on April 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Ugly men are attractive to a lot of broads. I’ve known some seriously ugly dudes who somehow get the best ones. Lyle Lovett, Rik Ocasek, David Bowie, I could go on.

And it ain’t like the broads they get need the money.

Lanceman on April 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I think the GOP likes minority status. They are just as corrupt as the dems. Minority status gives them all of their pork and no responsibility.

Rational Thought on April 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Losing three presidential elections in a row with three candidates disdained by the GOP base guarantees some sort of shake-up for 2020. Either conservatives really will start leaving the party in droves or, in order to keep them in the tent, establishmentarians will have to throw them a bone and embrace a more grassroots candidate for the next election.

Don’t assume the GOPe would rather win with a conservative than cease to exist. They care about enriching their own power and influence. Keeping the status quo/gravy train going is all they care about and that’s much more likely to happen under a Democrat president than a conservative.

Kataklysmic on April 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM

If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party United States as we know it is finished

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:04 PM

I admire your optimism but I think 11/6/12 was the death knell.

Kataklysmic on April 14, 2014 at 4:17 PM

The pendulum will swing back – it always has – it always will

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Has it swung back in CA?

El_Terrible on April 14, 2014 at 4:17 PM

I keep asking and no one answers: why is Jeb Bush the Establishment choice for 2016? Jeb Bush has no special qualities that would set him apart from any other former or current Republican governor of fair-to-middling ability. And let’s face it, given the general unpopularity of his brother, the surname ‘Bush’ does not possess any special cachet on election day.

Actually, if Jeb Bush is qualified for anything, he would make an excellent VP pick for Hillary: only slightly more to the right than she is and just boring and nondescript enough not to overshadow her on the campaign trail as Sarah Palin did to John McCain.

troyriser_gopftw on April 14, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Come on people – have a little confidence – this called “tamping down the GOP”

The pendulum will swing back – it always has – it always will

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM

The majority of the posters here lack a lot of historical knowledge about US politics and elections… Like teenagers they think that history began the moment they were born…

mnjg on April 14, 2014 at 4:18 PM

To paraphrase Sam Clemens, Reports of the Death of the Republican Party are greatly exaggerated.

Johnnyreb on April 14, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Now let’s say that tea partiers somehow manage to thwart the establishment this time…Ted Cruz stuns the world in Iowa and New Hampshire and wins the nomination — and then he loses to Hillary. Where does the party go from there? The base’s longstanding thesis, that the GOP would surely recapture the White House if it put forth a loud-and-proud “true conservative” as nominee, would be shattered.

Where do we go from there!?!

What a minute. RINO-palooza gets to do this election cycle after election cycle, but the Tea Party gets one shot only? It’s Ted Cruz wins or abandon ship forever after?

Kensington on April 14, 2014 at 4:19 PM

The sooner the Republican party “as we know it” is finished, the better.

Meremortal on April 14, 2014 at 4:19 PM

I want to know how Mary Matalin can stand him.

vityas on April 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Carville wears a clown mask when he is at home ?

burrata on April 14, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Has it swung back in CA?

El_Terrible on April 14, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Have you noticed the economy in California – it’s booming.

Jerry Brown has a 60% approval rating.

That said 62% in CA. say they pay “too much in taxes”.

Answer – no not yet – but California is booming right now.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:20 PM

If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party United States as we know it is finished

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Sure, the future of America hinges on whether Clinton or Bush wins in ’16. /

FloatingRock on April 14, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I keep asking and no one answers: why is Jeb Bush the Establishment choice for 2016?

troyriser_gopftw on April 14, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Because he’s committed to amnesty and that’s what the people who fund the GOP want. Oh, and he’s got the right pedigree.

Kataklysmic on April 14, 2014 at 4:21 PM

He thinks Killary is a shoe-in for POTUS 2016 ?
Perhaps, but she has to run against the NEW DATA WORLD and it ain’t controlled by his buds and the rest of the Presstitutes in the BeltWay Manure Spreading Media.
There will more than a few SHOE THOWERS when Killary runs again baldy.
And a more than a body-guard contingent of Secret Service folks will be able to stifle.

Missilengr on April 14, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Carville wears a clown mask when he is at home ?

burrata on April 14, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Wait …what? Are you saying that’s not a mask he’s got on now?

Fenris on April 14, 2014 at 4:21 PM

but California is booming right now.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:20 PM

You forgot your sarc tag.

Phony accounting does not a boom make.

Lanceman on April 14, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Wait …what? Are you saying that’s not a mask he’s got on now?

Fenris on April 14, 2014 at 4:21 PM

OMG – the Carville jokes – best laughs of the day….

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:22 PM

The GOP will win in 2016, barring something really strange happening. Political analysts need something to talk about so they always bring up how “the game has changed” and how this means we’re on the verge of a “permanent majority.” It’s all nonsense and clickbait. Al Gore losing in 2000 despite riding the coattails of a very popular president and a strong economy demonstrates just how hard it is to hold the White House for 3 straight terms. It takes a Reagan-grade presidency to pull it off, and Obama’s nowhere near there (as measured by popularity).

After President Walker/Ryan/Jindal/Rubio/etc wins re-election in 2020, we’ll probably be hearing about whether whites are too far gone for the Democrats to win nationally. That too, will be nothing but a load of hot air. We like our narratives in America, but they’re rarely accurate.

LukeinNE on April 14, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Phony accounting does not a boom make.

Lanceman on April 14, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Check the real estate market – and the states tax income and deficit.

I know it’s hard to believe but California has turned around.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:24 PM

The majority of the posters here lack a lot of historical knowledge about US politics and elections… Like teenagers they think that history began the moment they were born…

mnjg on April 14, 2014 at 4:18 PM

I appreciate your argument but I believe we’re in uncharted territory where history will only inform our future to a point. The moral character of the electorate has been degraded to an unpresidented level. Voters can’t be trusted to right the ship. They are willfully ignorant.

Kataklysmic on April 14, 2014 at 4:24 PM

The pendulum will swing back – it always has – it always will

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Normally yes.

Just like normally, Obama should have lost the ’12 election. All the previous factors of Unemployment numbers, economy, GDP, etc were pointing toward an Obama loss.

The elections process is being manipulated like no time in our history.

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:24 PM

For all of the hatin’ going on at Carville, he’s actually got a very good point here.

If the GOP is so incompetent that they lose to a carpetbagging clown with zero accomplishments in her life (except for an ability to impress and serve powerful men like Billy Boy), then the GOP not only will be finished, it will DESERVE to be finished.

Btw, Cruz is young. His year to run shouldn’t be til 2024, at the earliest, and 2032 isn’t out of the question.

Tom Servo on April 14, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Carville: If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party as we know it is finished

Where is the down side?

For Conservatives, if the Republicans win that will good and if the Republican Party is destroyed and a new Conservative Party springs up from that ashes, that’s good as well.

RJL on April 14, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Sure, the future of America hinges on whether Clinton or Bush wins in ’16. /

FloatingRock on April 14, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Not if a Clinton or Bush win.

If a dem wins, all the Obama sins get swept under the rug.

The Federal Government will expand more, and more, and this little dust up in Nevada with the Rancher will be a sample of whats to come.

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Normally yes.

Just like normally, Obama should have lost the ’12 election. All the previous factors of Unemployment numbers, economy, GDP, etc were pointing toward an Obama loss.

The elections process is being manipulated like no time in our history.

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:24 PM

The election in 2012 was not manipulated to any great degree. Obama got re-elected because of guilt, plain, pure and simple guilt.

Johnnyreb on April 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM

The elections process is being manipulated like no time in our history.

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Remember – an estimated 4m GOP voters did not vote in 2012.

Every day in HotAir – members threaten to not vote, and then piss and moan about our candidate not winning.

Democrats vote to win new perks – GOP voters win to get rid of government. Very different motivation.

It is very hard to get the right motivated.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM

. Obama got re-elected because of guilt, plain, pure and simple guilt.

Johnnyreb on April 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM

I think that is true in 2008. White guilt.

But ’12 was different. The Media went full CYA mode for Obama, along with lots of irregularities in voting. Holders Justice Department allowing funny business in voting districts.

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM

I want to know how Mary Matalin can stand him.

vityas on April 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

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I suspect he separates his public persona from his private – almost completely.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM

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He can do that, to a point . . . . . when they both show up together on one of the Sunday “political argument” shows, it’s GREAT !

It’s some of the best entertainment on TV, I tell ya’.

listens2glenn on April 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM

They said this in 2009 and 2010. But our survival isn’t automatic. We have to work hard for it.

JimC on April 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Check the real estate market – and the states tax income and deficit.

I know it’s hard to believe but California has turned around.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:24 PM

I’ve seen the real estate market. I’ve also seen the SEIU and the have-nots bitching about being priced out of housing. Ellis act and all that.

When the market finally takes a sh!t and with the insiders cashing out long before, how long do you think CA will survive? The haves can go anywhere and buy 3 million dollar houses. And the haves will get tired of paying high taxes, especially when their own livelihoods start to be affected.

Lanceman on April 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM

It is very hard to get the right motivated.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:28 PM

So true.

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:30 PM

For the RINOs…

1) Nominate a real conservative, and I will crawl over broken glass to vote for them, else…

2) Nominate a moderate, and I vote down-ticket but not for them, unless of course…

3) A strong conservative figurehead emerges to start a serious third party, at which point I leave the GOP in the dust and support the conservative party, and moderates get to experience what the Whigs felt.

Pretty simple and predictable formula.

dominigan on April 14, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Check the real estate market – and the states tax income and deficit.

I know it’s hard to believe but California has turned around.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:24 PM

I’ve seen the real estate market. I’ve also seen the SEIU and the have-nots b!tching about being priced out of housing. Ellis act and all that.

When the market finally takes a sh!t and with the insiders cashing out long before, how long do you think CA will survive? The haves can go anywhere and buy 3 million dollar houses. And the haves will get tired of paying high taxes, especially when their own livelihoods start to be affected.

Lanceman on April 14, 2014 at 4:30 PM

unpresidented *unprecedented

Kataklysmic on April 14, 2014 at 4:30 PM

The majority of the posters here lack a lot of historical knowledge about US politics and elections… Like teenagers they think that history began the moment they were born…

mnjg on April 14, 2014 at 4:18 PM

We’ve never looked down the barrel of a seventeen trillion dollar national debt before, with neither party establishment particularly enthusiastic about inflicting the pain it will take to get it under control. I haven’t noticed a lot of difference between parties recently.

butch on April 14, 2014 at 4:31 PM

From the headline thread

Like the Republican Party going extinct is a bad thing?
Death to the Republican Party.
Long live the Tea Party Constitutional Party.
Bring it.
chuckh on April 14, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Minor quibble, but any party that conservatives, tea partiers, libertarians and even blue dog democrats can rally around, bring it. RINOs need not 1 on April 14, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Bear repeating. One more GOPe nominee and the GOP as we know is dead.

AH_C on April 14, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Lanceman on April 14, 2014 at 4:30 PM

A lot of truth there

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:31 PM

And many Hot Air comments will cheer. Because they hate Republicans more than they hate Socialism… that is why they undermine all Republicans.

I am not sure we can ever win a nationwide election again.

There are too many on our side who hate Republicans as much as any Democrat ever did. Or they pretend to be on our side.

petunia on April 14, 2014 at 4:32 PM

I might have to be put on suicide watch.

Bishop on April 14, 2014 at 4:09 PM

I’ll get the vodka…

oscarwilde on April 14, 2014 at 4:32 PM

…an unpresidented level. Voters can’t be trusted to right the ship. They are willfully ignorant.

Kataklysmic on April 14, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Unpresidented, so true. He’s more of a figurehead for the elites.

Fenris on April 14, 2014 at 4:32 PM

So all we have to do is vote for Hillary, and the weasly, gutless disaster that is the current GOP is gone for good? Cool.

SailorMark on April 14, 2014 at 4:33 PM

We’ve never looked down the barrel of a seventeen trillion dollar national debt before,

butch on April 14, 2014 at 4:31 PM

I have a question about the national debt: So what?

I have been hearing about the sky falling over the debt since Ronald Reagan – and every year it goes up an up – and NOTHING ever happens relative to that metric.

Know what I mean?

At what point do people just stop listening to that as a decision point?

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:34 PM

dominigan on April 14, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Case in point… this person loves Socialism and is doing their best to make sure we become Socialist.

petunia on April 14, 2014 at 4:34 PM

If Billary wins in 2016, she’s a lock on 2020. By then, the Dems will have secured the Senate and, probably, the House. At that point, 60% of the electorate goes on welfare, third worlders will make up a plurality of the populace and we go straight to Hell in a hand basket, aka, Weimar Republic.

vnvet on April 14, 2014 at 4:12 PM

See, e.g, California. (And no, it’s not booming.)

LASue on April 14, 2014 at 4:35 PM

That is something that the GOP does not have to worry about because Hillary will not win the Democratic nomination.

supersport667 on April 14, 2014 at 4:35 PM

That is something that the GOP does not have to worry about because Hillary will not win the Democratic nomination.

supersport667 on April 14, 2014 at 4:35 PM

I am with you – 100% – she was a lousy POTUS candidate in 2008 – everyone seems to have forgotten that.

She as awful.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM

It is amazing how people lack historical perspectives… Was the Republican party finished forever when the democrats totally dominated in the 1930′s and 1940′? How about when the democrats controlled the House of Representatives from 1954 to 1994?…

mnjg on April 14, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Yep; and Democratics lost three presidential elections in a row, 80, 84, 88.

slickwillie2001 on April 14, 2014 at 4:37 PM

I think the GOP likes minority status. They are just as corrupt as the dems. Minority status gives them all of their pork and no responsibility.

Rational Thought on April 14, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I won’t argue that there are some in the GOP who resemble your statement; however, I don’t think you can categorize all Republicans that way. Believe it or not, there are a few staunch conservatives still out there that don’t fit the description you’ve mentioned.

Bob Davis on April 14, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Historically, the Republican Party only became a viable alternative to the Whigs when prominent Whigs such as Fremont and Lincoln went over to the Republican Party after 1852 with the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act–an Act which the Whigs, eager for compromise with the Democrats, refused to contest in any meaningful way.

I’m guessing any modern third-party attempt would have to follow a similar pattern. A third party is dead in the water if it can’t attract any political leaders of note or merit.

troyriser_gopftw on April 14, 2014 at 4:38 PM

I want to know how Mary Matalin can stand him.

vityas on April 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Easy – she’s deaf – she doesn’t have to listen to him….

dentarthurdent on April 14, 2014 at 4:38 PM

If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party United States as we know it is finished

portlandon on April 14, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Yup.

In a good and just world, Carville would be sitting in a folding patio chair on a busy street corner holding an “I’m a Bully” sign. LOL

Fallon on April 14, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Skeletor has spoken! So let it be written, so let it be done!

mojo on April 14, 2014 at 4:38 PM

I want to know how Mary Matalin can stand him.

vityas on April 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

.
I suspect he separates his public persona from his private – almost completely.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM

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He can do that, to a point . . . . . when they both show up together on one of the Sunday “political argument” shows, it’s GREAT !

It’s some of the best entertainment on TV, I tell ya’.

listens2glenn on April 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM

James Carville is an honest liberal, not a Marxist pretending to be a democrat, but an actual 1950 Democrat. He is an anachronism in the democrat party. Mary get’s along with him, because despite his obvious faults (being a liberal democrat) James is actually a funny, kind, compassionate human being.

oscarwilde on April 14, 2014 at 4:39 PM

And many Hot Air comments will cheer. Because they hate Republicans more than they hate Socialism… that is why they undermine all Republicans.

petunia on April 14, 2014 at 4:32 PM

They hate Republicans BECAUSE they hate socialism.

sharrukin on April 14, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Least we over look the fact that between 2008 and 2016 King Putt and HIS henchmen (and henchwomen) will FUBAR the whole system to such an extent that it will be DECADES before the Constitution is (re)recgnized as the guiding light for our lost government.

James Earl Carter, who was always picking the scab on the injury he left our economy & culture, just to come back again and again, imagine King Putt, The Narcissist Supremo, because the LSM will remain his champion and will shove his idiocy back at us for decades to come. Good times.

Missilengr on April 14, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Carville: If the GOP loses to Hillary in 2016, the Republican Party as we know it is finished

This is what makes America great. Here we have a cajun critter that has spent his entire career seeking to rout the GOP and here he is with real concern about the party in 2016. Harry Reid too has expressed his desire that the GOP succeed. And of course the WaPo and NYT are generous with their advice ahead of GOP primaries. Isn’t it nice that so many of the enemy are just looking out after the Republicans’ best interests?

It’s like two foxes and a chicken deciding on what to have for dinner.

Happy Nomad on April 14, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Even Cruz would have to live in the real world, and that would make him RINO.

It is not the candidates it is the real world, that is full of liberals, that the pretend conservatives hate. That is why we can’t win. They want a world that does not exist An nobody can make that happen.

petunia on April 14, 2014 at 4:41 PM

I am with you – 100% – she was a lousy POTUS candidate in 2008 – everyone seems to have forgotten that.

She as awful.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Her husband Bill is one of the most capable politicians (and effective campaigners) of the last 50 years. People still view Bill Clinton fondly. If the message in the general election is ‘Vote for Hillary (and Bill!)’, then she’s on level ground with any Republican nominee we throw against her.

troyriser_gopftw on April 14, 2014 at 4:41 PM

He and Mary were on a Catholic channel show and he has the same view of marriage as Brendan Eich. Such a phony. Is there anyone on the right like him?

monalisa on April 14, 2014 at 4:43 PM

At what point do people just stop listening to that as a decision point?

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:34 PM

They have. Unfortunately, the GDP is now a percentage of the debt rather than the other way around. As soon as the rest of the world gets wise to what’s happening, they’ll say “Dollars? Uh, no thanks, comrade. Got ‘ny rubles?”

At that point we’re screwed.

Lanceman on April 14, 2014 at 4:43 PM

The status quo, where the party perennially puts forth centrists while its core constituency clamors for someone more ideological, couldn’t continue.

And yet, it has, since… 1988?

Midas on April 14, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Mary get’s along with him, because despite his obvious faults (being a liberal democrat) James is actually a funny, kind, compassionate human being.

oscarwilde on April 14, 2014 at 4:39 PM

And Hitler was fond of children. What’s your point?

Carville may well be a decent human being but his job is to see that the GOP is decimated. I’m not interested in his professional bleatings.

Happy Nomad on April 14, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Didn’t Carville say the same thing back in 2008? That Democrats would rule for the next generation.

GarandFan on April 14, 2014 at 4:44 PM

They hate Republicans BECAUSE they hate socialism.

sharrukin on April 14, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Pretty words… but your actions prove the lie. You are why the Socialist will keep winning.

petunia on April 14, 2014 at 4:44 PM

troyriser_gopftw on April 14, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Then why did Obama crush her in 2008 – when Bill spoke so openly against Obama?

I think you are overestimating Bill Clinton’s savvy.

Name one politician Bill Clinton has campaigned with that won?

Bill Clinton is like the dessert tray – fun to look at – just keep it away from me.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:45 PM

So, people recognize the danger of Hillary – essentially a third term for Obama, with more experienced criminals in charge.

AND YET, still there are those who threaten to sit at home if the nominee doesn’t meet their specifications. We have a contest for a reason. By the time it is over, every state will have its say. Our nomination process is the most democratic and open on earth, we even reserve far fewer delegate seats for party leaders, elected officials, and activists than the Democrats do.

If you can’t close ranks behind whoever wins, fair and square, to defeat Hillary and the Democrats, maybe the best thing is if you just leave the GOP right NOW and form your own party. Then every little nuance you demand can be met by your platform and candidate, and you won’t be reduced to whining about losing while you help elect Hillary.

Adjoran on April 14, 2014 at 4:45 PM

At what point do people just stop listening to that as a decision point?

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:34 PM

When the preponderanace of our GDP goes for debt service the economy will spiral downward. It won’t matter what voters do at that point. I have heard my share of scaremongers over the years but this one is for real.

butch on April 14, 2014 at 4:45 PM

If the Democrats propaganda machine were exposed for its lies the the Dems would never win another election.

Grunt on April 14, 2014 at 4:45 PM

James Carville is an honest liberal, not a Marxist pretending to be a democrat, but an actual 1950 Democrat. He is an anachronism in the democrat party. Mary get’s along with him, because despite his obvious faults (being a liberal democrat) James is actually a funny, kind, compassionate human being.

oscarwilde on April 14, 2014 at 4:39 PM

I’m with you, O-Scar. carville is a likeable guy when he ain’t talking politricks. Has to do with the southern accent.

Lanceman on April 14, 2014 at 4:46 PM

I suspect Skeletor forgot that he predicted Demo-socialist rule for the next 50 years not long after King Barackus I ascended to the throne.

Mark Boabaca on April 14, 2014 at 4:46 PM

I want to know how Mary Matalin can stand him.

vityas on April 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Easy – she’s deaf – she doesn’t have to listen to him….

dentarthurdent on April 14, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Unless I am much misinformed, you are talking about two different women with similar names.

Midas on April 14, 2014 at 4:46 PM

When the preponderanace of our GDP goes for debt service the economy will spiral downward. It won’t matter what voters do at that point. I have heard my share of scaremongers over the years but this one is for real.

butch on April 14, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Ok – the scarier thing is bond sales – if interest rates move up even a little – we (USA) will have a hard time paying the interest on the debt – that’s what scares the Fed to death – the Fed’s window is stuck open – and they have no idea how to tighten.

jake-the-goose on April 14, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Pretty words… but your actions prove the lie.

petunia on April 14, 2014 at 4:44 PM

My views are progressive” – Mitt Romney

Your hero.

sharrukin on April 14, 2014 at 4:48 PM

As soon as the rest of the world gets wise to what’s happening, they’ll say “Dollars? Uh, no thanks, comrade. Got ‘ny rubles?”

At that point we’re screwed.

Lanceman on April 14, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Only a idiot would prefer the ruble at this point.

Adjoran on April 14, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Only if its Jeb. So very likely. Not that it matters, the GOP is a coalition party of self-interested people. That necessarily means that it will die one day.

nobar on April 14, 2014 at 4:50 PM

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