Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on April 12, 2014 by Allahpundit

Public health experts have a list of possible solutions that fall outside the most fractious debates over firearms. Stephen Teret, a public health expert at Johns Hopkins University, has pushed for the engineering of “smart guns,” which could only be fired by their owners: No more weapons finding their way into the black market, or becoming deadly playthings in the hands of children. (The NRA has fought the new technology.) Teret’s idea would address both intentional and accidental gun hazards, but there are lots of ways to approach the latter—from mandated child safety locks, to features that would make it more obvious if a weapon was loaded.

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ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER: I think that one of the things that we learned when we were trying to get past those common sense reforms last year, Vice President Biden and I had a meeting with a group of technology people and we talked about how guns can be made more safe by making them either through finger print identification, the gun talks to a bracelet or something that you might wear, how guns can be used only by the person who is lawfully in possession of the weapon.

It’s those kinds of things that I think we want to try to explore so that we can make sure that people have the ability to enjoy their Second Amendment rights, while at the same time decreasing the misuse of weapons that lead to the kinds of things that we see on a daily basis.

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Think of it as iPhone technology for your handgun. Within the year, a new form of biometric authentication for “smart guns” is expected to hit store shelves for $300.

“The key is reliability,” Detroit engineer Omer Kiyani toldCNN of his product, Indentilock. When Mr. Kiyani was a teenager he was shot in the face with an unsecured firearm and has used that experience to create something he feels will save lives…

“The main point of firearms ownership is home defense, and home defense means quick access,” he said. “… But the other side of that is accidents. … I’m a gun victim, a gun owner, and I have children. I came up with something that fits my needs.”

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Even if all goes to plan, Kiyani’s will not be the first smart gun system to hit the U.S. market. In February, German firm Armatix launched its iP1 pistol that uses a radio frequency identification (RFID) chip activated by the owner’s watch, and the competition is growing.

Directives from the White House to promote development of safety technology in the wake of school shootings have led to a surge of innovation. There is now an increased appetite and funding for a field that had stalled since the earlier designs in the 1970s. The boldest statement is an open challenge from The Smart Tech Foundation. It was created by Silicon Valley angel investor Ron Conway and serial entrepreneur Jim Pitkow in response to the Sandy Hook shootings and is making $1 million in prizes available for development of the best ideas.

The Foundation claims to have received over 200 entrants after the first month of the submission period, everything from concept stage to working prototype. Designs include electronic ammunition, remote controls and RFID chips buried in the owner’s skin…

But a recent poll from the National Shooting Sports Foundation found that just 14% of Americans are likely to buy a smart gun, and the majority believe they are unreliable. Many gun rights advocates are hostile to the concept, arguing it is a ploy for gun control and is against the Second Amendment. Some gun advocates also argue that the electronics could be hacked by criminals. Opposition to Armatix’s launch has reportedly been strong enough that it forced the vendor to withdraw its products. The California store which announced it would be selling Armatix products swiftly distanced itself from them following a severe backlash from gun rights activists.

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The Oak Tree Gun Club in Santa Clarita, California, which was briefly associated with the Armatix smart gun, is now rapidly backpedaling away from the fledgling technology as fast as it can.

“Our facility does NOT carry the Armatix pistol, never has,” officials with Oak Tree told one media outlet on Feb 27. This was just a week after James Mitchell, the “extremely pro-gun” owner of the Oak Tree Gun Club, boasted to the Washington Post that his firearms shop was the only outlet in the country selling the Armatix iP1…

Oak Tree’s Facebook page has been under a steady barrage of negative comments from those upset with the store’s apparent association with Armatix for weeks. These comments run from, “You have betrayed the shooting community on a national level. Hope you enjoy the 30 pieces of silver you got from Armatix,” to, “You have just lost me, my friends, and my family as a customer. How dare you support those who would take our rights from us?”

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Technological tricks are par for the course for anti-rights gun banning autocrats. Technology becomes a tool to ban things – just mandate a feature for “safety” (especially when it’s the antithesis of safe) and suddenly all the things they want to ban can be banned in the name of “safety”. Then soon enough the last thing wasn’t “safe” enough, and it can be banned, too…

The same Department of Justice that sent guns to Mexican narcoterrorist cartels now wants a third of a billion dollars to spend to target you and your rights. Eric Holder brought plenty of “safety” to Mexico and the border, and then hushed it up afterwards.

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I’ve discussed in the past that the Armatix iP1/iW1 combination is a dangerously unreliable, imminently-hackable, seriously under-powered, and prohibitively expensive gimmick.

I’ve also made the argument that imposing an $1,800 pistol/watch combo upon the citizenry by executive mandate or legislation is inherently racist as the equivalent of a poll tax, designed to economically disenfranchise those most likely to live in high-crime-rate neighborhoods, who are disproportionately minorities.

But for all the iP1/iW1 combination’s faults, I’ve seen nothing that hints that it is designed as a tracking device, nor did the Attorney General mentioned anything during the video-taped segment above indicating that he is interested in tracking guns.

If anything, Operation Fast and Furious, Gunwalker, and the various other gun-smuggling plots (up to ten in five cities) of the Department of Justice prove that the Obama Administration has no interest in tracking guns… even after hundreds of civilians and a number of police officers in two nations die as a result.

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James Burgh, an English Whig who empathized with the American project and whose writings were widely disseminated in the new country, put it more bluntly. “Most attractive to Americans,” Burgh wrote, “the possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave, it being the ultimate means by which freedom was to be preserved.” Which is to say that, beyond a limited role in interstate regulation, the nature of the firearms that the public owns is none of the government’s damned business, and the suggestion that the citizenry might install GPS trackers and functionality disablers in their weapons is so self-evidently absurd as to inspire sardonic laughter and little else besides.

Holder’s faith in technology is touching. There currently exists a grand total of one “smart” gun — an expensive German product that comes only in a weak caliber that is wholly unsuitable for self-defense. Indeed, as Guns.com’s Max Slowik observes, the very idea of magically “safe” firearms remains something of a “myth”:

“Smart guns introduce a layer of complexity that brings along with it several points of failure. They are battery-operated and generally default to safe. They are not water resistant. Biometric scanners require a clean scanner and a clean scan, and cannot be used with gloves. Radio-based scanners can be spoofed or jammed, and because they’re linked to a ring or bracelet, can be used by anyone with access to the key. Both systems are not instantaneous; it takes time for the controller to disengage the safety.

“And they just don’t work 100 percent of the time. Which is precisely why both New Jersey and Maryland have enacted legislation that exempts them from being forced to issue smart guns to their police officers. For a target or recreational shooter, this might be OK. But for anyone who may want to use their gun for self-defense, police or otherwise, the failure rate inherent to smart guns — about one percent with the latest generation of smart safeties — is unacceptable. Smart guns aren’t.”

The attorney general, in other words, has his work cut out. Even if smart guns did live up their moniker, the “common use” standard outlined in the D.C. v. Heller decision would put paid to any legislation that might seek to back up the government’s enthusiasm with legal force. Put crudely: Unless the public wants it, this isn’t going anywhere, Eric. And, at the moment, at least, they do not.

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Attorney General Eric Holder thinks government should force gun owners to wear special “identifying” bracelets?…

Eric, you can replace my identifying bracelets with your government marker when you pry them off my cold, dead wrists.

And, Eric, “You don’t want to go there, buddy.”

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HELL No.

RickB on April 12, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Yeah lets make guns safer for the bad guys.

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM

It was a beautiful day. I went to the hardware store and bought marigolds and herbs and now I’m feeling mellow.

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 8:35 PM

“The key is reliability,” Detroit engineer Omer Kiyani

And nothing says reliability like a Detroit engineer.

Flange on April 12, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Is there any new gun I would want enough to get this technology?

No.

cozmo on April 12, 2014 at 8:36 PM

HELL No.

RickB on April 12, 2014 at 8:32 PM

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I second that motion.

listens2glenn on April 12, 2014 at 8:36 PM

RFID chips buried in the owner’s skin…

Soon……

BallisticBob on April 12, 2014 at 8:37 PM

“The key is reliability.”


Detroit engineer Omer Kiyani

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And nothing says reliability like a Detroit engineer.


Flange
on April 12, 2014 at 8:36 PM

.
That there is the “laugh-of-the-evening”, I don’t care who you are.

listens2glenn on April 12, 2014 at 8:39 PM

F8ck that!

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM

New Jersey passed a law a few years back that says that all handguns sold in the state must have Smart Gun technology within two years of Smart Guns being available in the market. That means conventional handguns will not longer be available in New Jersey by 2017, unless this law is changed.

Time to stock up…

Haiku Guy on April 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Emily Miller is tremendous…and quite yummy.

BuckeyeSam on April 12, 2014 at 8:41 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Hey, Bunny!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 8:43 PM

AP, and HA in general: ignoring the dead cattle (and constitution) in the room once again …

ShainS on April 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

As soon as they come out with the technology someone will come out with the technology to defeat it.

Sven on April 12, 2014 at 8:46 PM

This touches on a looming danger — technology is going to become so complicated, proprietary, and regulated, it will be restricted to one or two manufacturers, few can compete against it, and we all just have to take what the powers that be give to us.

For example — by 2018, all cars manufactured will be required to have a rear camera. Of course it’s all in the name of the children.

Also … doesn’t this infringe on the right to keep and bear arms?

LashRambo on April 12, 2014 at 8:46 PM

If it was wireless someone could take out all the good peoples guns and then they would be really defenseless.

Sven on April 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM

PCmart…I mean my absolutely wonderful employer(I’m talkin’ corporate) chose to put out a statement about the nomination of Sylvia Burwell to succeed Tiller-the-Killer’s patron. There was no reason for Bentonville to make a comment about it at this point-yet Bentonville just couldn’t leave things well enough alone:

BENTONVILLE, Ark. – April. 11, 2014 – “Congratulations to Sylvia Mathews Burwell on her nomination as Secretary of Health and Human Services. We are very proud the President has asked Sylvia to take on this critical position.

“Sylvia has a strong record of working collaboratively with businesses and government on some of the most pressing issues facing Americans. She understands the needs of people and communities and has consistently delivered strong results that have a positive impact on society. It’s crucial to have a leader like Sylvia in this role, and we stand ready to work with the Administration on solutions that provide more Americans with even greater access to affordable healthcare.

“The Walmart family would like to offer our congratulations and best wishes to Sylvia as she embarks on this important mission.”

- Doug McMillon, President and CEO, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Aerosmith – Janie’s Got A Gun

RickB on April 12, 2014 at 8:48 PM

- Doug McMillon, President and CEO, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM

What a suck up.

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Um…didn’t OMB have to approve the regulations Sebelius wanted implemented?

Just ask’n…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 8:43 PM

I get to do it again tomm.
That costume-especially the mask-was stiflingly hot.
My asthma doesn’t like hot temps.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

RickB on April 12, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Nice choice ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Piece of plastic crap looks suspiciously DAO to me.

Lanceman on April 12, 2014 at 8:51 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Does ice around your neck help or is it the hot, recycled air in the costume, ALT?

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 8:52 PM

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

I’m now lucky if I’m getting 16 hours a week because if the AM is unable to make the dept schedules-the computer does it.
My AM all but promised me that she would fix my upcoming schedules today.
I just checked-and she hasn’t touched them.
I’m supposed be getting 24-32 hours a week.
Grrr.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Hot air.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Geez guys…..why so negative?

HonestLib on April 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Keep on them. They could mess you up somehow.

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM

HonestLib on April 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM

It would be like if the CG* was trying to make chocolate illegal, HL!

*Central Gubmint

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 8:58 PM

In cyberpunk SF you run into what’s known as a “polymer one-shot”. It’s a cheap automatic, mostly plastics, generally chambered for a low-power round like .22 rimfire or the equivalent.

Intended mainly for the teen thug market, they’re noted for low reliability. Most of them are sleek and futuristic-looking (like this thing), and all of them have a habit of coming apart after about one magazine full. Except for the selective-fire ones; they tend to melt.

I call this the world’s most expensive polymer one-shot.

clear ether

eon

eon on April 12, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Evening All

CoffeeLover on April 12, 2014 at 8:59 PM

“The key is reliability,” Detroit engineer Omer Kiyani

And nothing says reliability like a Detroit engineer.

Flange on April 12, 2014 at 8:36 PM

With the name of Omer…

kcewa on April 12, 2014 at 8:59 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Maybe the ice pack around your neck can help that, ALT. Just a thought.

And yes, I feel for you!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Okay, don’t know you from Hogan’s Goat, but I like you and you made me smile.

HonestLib on April 12, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Vice President Biden and I had a meeting with a group of technology people and we talked about how guns can be made more safe

I don’t care who you are; I don’t care what kind of product you propose:

1. Don’t point a weapon at anything you are not willing to destroy.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
3. Treat all weapons as if they were loaded, even if you just unloaded it.

The “safety” for a firearm begins with that space between your ears. And it costs NOTHING.

GarandFan on April 12, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Gee, give ‘em enough time and they’ll add smart gun ownership to Obamacare and “cancel” the guns that weren’t good enough for us.

waterytart on April 12, 2014 at 9:02 PM

HonestLib on April 12, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Aw shucks, HL… ;-) The feeling’s mutual!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:02 PM

CoffeeLover on April 12, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Hi, CL!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:03 PM

It’s those kinds of things that I think we want to try to explore so that we can make sure that people have the ability to enjoy their Second Amendment rights, while at the same time decreasing the misuse of weapons that lead to the kinds of things that we see on a daily basis.

 

HIV- 35/100ths of 1% of the U.S. population tied to 636,000 deaths in the last 32 years
 
Gun owners- 37% of the U.S. population tied to 1,052,334 deaths in the same time span.
 
Those numbers are pretty close, aren’t they? What is that, about a 60% match in deaths with less than 1% of the total gun owner population? It would be impressive if it weren’t so tragic.
 
Hit the “clear” button on your calculator now, Ric.
 
rogerb on April 12, 2014 at 2:07 PM

 
Thanks again, Ric.

rogerb on April 12, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Judge Janine opens her show on Bundy. I hadn’t seen the video of the confrontation at the corral when Bundy went after his cattle the Feds in a corral. William Largeness (sp?) reporting. Showing the cows being released back to Bundy.

CoffeeLover on April 12, 2014 at 9:05 PM

How about a heat-sensor gun, programmed to lock whenever a warm body is detected-such as a charging bear, tiger or Muslim fanatic?

MaiDee on April 12, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Smart guns are dumb.

Resist We Much on April 12, 2014 at 9:08 PM

CoffeeLover on April 12, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Thank you, CL! I’ll catch the repeat…NASCAR at Darlington is on now ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:10 PM

AC/DC – Guns for Hire

CurtZHP on April 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM

That is the ugliest gun I have ever laid eyes on, and sister I’ve seen Makarov’s and Hi-Point’s up close. U-G-L-Y.

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Smart guns are dumb.

Resist We Much on April 12, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Short and sweet.

Barred on April 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM

How about a heat-sensor gun,
MaiDee on April 12, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Nah, gots me one of those and it has a hair trigger and produced many little ones.

HonestLib on April 12, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:10 PM

I was hoping she’d use Bundy as her Opening Statement but the 2 segments are worth a watch. Also, fyi….Huckabee at the NH Freedom thing today also brought up the Bundy situation in his remarks and I thought nailed it (I was surprised). Cspan had it so it’ll be in their archives if you want to catch it.

CoffeeLover on April 12, 2014 at 9:13 PM

A little AC/DC…Big Gun~

bazil9 on April 12, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Ever shot a Walther PPQ M2? I shot one earlier today at the range and Dear Gaia in heaven, the trigger on that thing is like butter. Like butter dipped in bacon and covered with buttery bacon butter.

There isn’t a person here at HotGas that I wouldn’t throw to rabid dingos to get my hands on the M2. But you’re in luck, I picked one up so no one has to be Purina Dingo Chow.

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM

From a friend who is packing to leave for Spain.

Just been checking out Ryanairs baggage rules as they are always changing. One of the things you are NOT allowed in your hand luggage is lawnmowers! Sod it, all that trouble I had squeezing one into my small bag too…!

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 9:16 PM

CoffeeLover on April 12, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Has anyone yet today told you what an absolute GEM you are, CL? Because you are… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Warrant-Machine Gun~~~

bazil9 on April 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

And before I forget:

This place goes to hell at night.

Can’t we just discuss the pertinent issues without all the ballyhoo and foofaraw?

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Attorney General Eric Holder thinks government should force gun owners to wear special “identifying” bracelets?…

That mass murderer of hundreds of Mexican men, women and children, should be in a Mexican prison wearing a bracelet and a bracket around his neck. Ditto Obama.

VorDaj on April 12, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Coffee Lovah, Rocks!

bazil9 on April 12, 2014 at 9:18 PM

The ONLY thing that needs to be “intelligent” around a firearm is its owner.

Anything else is foolishness and complexity for a tool that doesn’t need more foolishness and complexity at a time when it is needed.

And well, that whole “shall not be infringed” bit in the Second. The ONLY place that that phrase is actually stated. Even the First doesn’t have that particular phrase.

ProfShadow on April 12, 2014 at 9:18 PM

That is the ugliest gun I have ever laid eyes on, and sister I’ve seen Makarov’s and Hi-Point’s up close. U-G-L-Y.

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM

I could draw your attention to the Dardick and the Gyrojet.

Lanceman on April 12, 2014 at 9:19 PM

This place goes to hell at night.

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Go to Heaven for the climate; Hell for the company. – Twain

VorDaj on April 12, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Huckabee is toast:

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee at New Hampshire event: ‘I’m beginning to think there’s more freedom in North Korea sometimes than there is in the United States’ – @BenjySarlin

davidk on April 12, 2014 at 9:19 PM

CoffeeLover on April 12, 2014 at 9:13 PM

C-Span doesn’t disappoint, either ;-)

Mike Huckabee at the Freedom Summit

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:20 PM

In the earlier thread -

In wake of Ft. Hood, a search for answers on gun violence
Dustin Siggins on April 7, 2014 at 4:41 PM

… I had made the following comment :

It’s not the government’s JOB (any level of government) . . . . . “to identify those who might become violent, before they act.”

It’s up to the individual citizen to do that for themselves, and … BE PREPARED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES … on the spot, with a moments notice.
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If we concede to allow government take over the responsibility for identifying those persos “who might become violent, before they act”, FREEDOM is gone.

listens2glenn on April 7, 2014 at 8:52 PM

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If “We The People” concede to allow our government to make our guns “safe”, when in the hands of the wrong person, “FREEDOM is gone.

listens2glenn on April 12, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM

How ’bout the lack of external hammer?

I wasn’t as impressed as you.

cozmo on April 12, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Bullet Boys~~

bazil9 on April 12, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Good evening.

So will these guns simply go into Safemode when someone
wants to follow Biden’s advice, and fire a few blasts out
the window??

ToddPA on April 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Coffee Lovah, Rocks!

bazil9 on April 12, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Love coffee…lover.

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Smart guns are dumb.

Resist We Much on April 12, 2014 at 9:08 PM

And dumb is tacky.

VorDaj on April 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 9:16 PM

You love this one, COL ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Love coffee…lover.

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Shes a sweet pea. =)

bazil9 on April 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

And before I forget:

This place goes to hell at night.

Can’t we just discuss the pertinent issues without all the ballyhoo and foofaraw?

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

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I ain’t makin’ no promises, I can’t keep.

listens2glenn on April 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

And before I forget:

This place goes to hell at night.

Can’t we just discuss the pertinent issues without all the ballyhoo and foofaraw?

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Sure, why not?

Paa -17th April ‏@PK_Arhin 1h

2014 World Cup: Striker Asamoah Gyan hopes to push Ghana farther in Brazil tournament: Gh… http://bit.ly/Q27UZ9 #ghana

davidk on April 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:16 PM

aww,thanks

bazil9 on April 12, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Hi B9 (waving) That made me smile and laugh so now I’m cleaning up coffee spittle. How are you/so good to see you. Hoping things calmed down some for you.

CoffeeLover on April 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Blah, blah, blah. Ain’t happening.

Besides-

Regular guns will always be made somewhere, and the country that can’t keep heroin, cocaine, and Pedro from crossing the border like fat boys locking in on a buffet is always going to have them.

And so am I. F*** you, Holder.
Bc

M240H on April 12, 2014 at 9:23 PM

How ’bout the lack of external hammer?

I wasn’t as impressed as you.

cozmo on April 12, 2014 at 9:20 PM

You know I thought I was an anti-striker guy, but now I carry a 9mm Shield and honestly I forget I’m wearing it, shoots like a dream and weighs about as much as a chipmunk.

I have other Walthers which are striker fired that I didn’t glom to but the trigger on the M2 is just….wow. The reset is pure…WOW.

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:24 PM

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

thanks dear woman. I’m so glad you got your herbs and flowers.

CoffeeLover on April 12, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Obama’s and Holder’s real plan is to have all weapons, before firing, connect to healthcare dot gov for firing options and monthly payments.

VorDaj on April 12, 2014 at 9:24 PM

bazil9 on April 12, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Besides her company, sense of humour and her font of knowledge, I so appreciate the way CL can turn my stereo instruction-like explanations into plain English ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:24 PM

CoffeeLover on April 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

*waves*
Always glad to make some laugh/smile.
Good to see you too!
I’m burnt-lobster red. Been hitting the beach finally.
How u be?

bazil9 on April 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Twilight Zone.

When the bullet hits the bone.

hawkdriver on April 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM

And before I forget:

This place goes to hell at night.

Can’t we just discuss the pertinent issues without all the ballyhoo and foofaraw?

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Sure, why not?

Paa -17th April ‏@PK_Arhin 1h

2014 World Cup: Striker Asamoah Gyan hopes to push Ghana farther in Brazil tournament: Gh… http://bit.ly/Q27UZ9 #ghana

davidk on April 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

heh

Murphy9 on April 12, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Yea, whatever! For years I went with the 228, but now I like the 239 in either 40 or 357…when I am just playing around.

HonestLib on April 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM

davidk on April 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

That counts as Ballyhoo, brother, and in some countries you can be executed for even mentioning soccer.

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM

And before I forget:

This place goes to hell at night.

Can’t we just discuss the pertinent issues without all the ballyhoo and foofaraw?

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

I can say it in song, yes?

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Yea, whatever! For years I went with the 228, but now I like the 239 in either 40 or 357…when I am just playing around.

HonestLib on April 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM

The 228 and really all of the P series handguns are some of the greatest irons ever devised.

Bishop on April 12, 2014 at 9:30 PM

You love this one, COL ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 12, 2014 at 9:22 PM

That’s so funny.

crankyoldlady on April 12, 2014 at 9:30 PM

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