Pressing questions from the House of Lords: Does baked-beans consumption go into our climate change calculations?

posted at 4:01 pm on April 12, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

Eco-extremists can often be heard expressing their frustration that more people don’t take their climate change alarm-mongering more seriously. I realize this is just one guy, but… that’s partially because of moments like this. So brilliant.

Labour peer Viscount Simon, 73, raised concerns about the “smelly emissions” resulting from the UK’s unusually high consumption of baked beans.

He put energy and climate change minister Baroness Verma on the spot during the government’s daily question session in the upper chamber. …

Lord Simon said: “In a programme some months ago on the BBC it was stated that this country has the largest production of baked beans and the largest consumption of baked beans in the world.”

To laughter from peers, he added: “Could the noble baroness say whether this affects the calculation of global warming by the government as a result of the smelly emission resulting there from?”

Like, from baked beans, specifically? Because I’m pretty sure that the entire range of food fit for human consumption can cause — er — “smelly emissions” from any number of individual digestive tracts, and that baked beans are a relatively infinitesimal part of that total. Environmentalists have lately been emphasizing the particular heat-trapping potency of methane over carbon in their climate-change campaigns, and I suppose that if you want to argue that overall human flatulence in general could be a factor in our net methane emissions, that’s one thing — but not even our own Environmental Protection Agency has taken it quite that far yet. The federal government has enteric fermentation from livestock (i.e., cow toots) pegged as the number one cause of methane emissions in the United States right now, followed by the oil and natural gas industry and then things like landfills, manure management, and coal mining. I don’t think human flatulence quite made the cut on this list of things we should be all that worried about.


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It’s the magical fruit.

lorien1973 on April 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM

A more pressing question would be, Why is HA not covering the Bundy Ranch showdown?

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:05 PM

“[Reid] and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert,” he wrote. “Reid has been one of the project’s most prominent advocates, helping recruit the company during a 2011 trip to China and applying his political muscle on behalf of the project in Nevada.”

“His son, a lawyer with a prominent Las Vegas firm that is representing ENN, helped it locate a 9,000-acre (3,600-hectare) desert site that it is buying well below appraised value from Clark County, where Rory Reid formerly chaired the county commission.”

Right on Bundy’s ranch. Hmmmm…..

aquaviva on April 12, 2014 at 4:05 PM

The federal government has enteric fermentation from livestock (i.e., cow toots) pegged as the number one cause of methane emissions in the United States right now,

Ban Bossy the Cow!

Wethal on April 12, 2014 at 4:08 PM

How about termites? They put out more greenhouse gasses than all of mankind.

And then there are bacteria… this is still a planet where the dominant life form is bacteria. What are we supposed to do about them? You can’t live with them and, of course, you can’t live without them.

ajacksonian on April 12, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Right on Bundy’s ranch. Hmmmm….. aquaviva on April 12, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Saw that, Drudge linked to it on ALEX JONES’S site (which I only visit when he links to it), but looking at that and some of the linked articles I see that the property Ried’s trying to use to enrich his family is 80 miles south of Vegas, the Bundy Ranch 90 miles north.

Reid’s former staffer runs BLM, his boy is a lawyer for the commie Chinese solar company. That alone fails the smell test, but if the Bundy property is threatened by this plot then Reid et al should be locked up, Cask of Amontillado style.

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Funny as this joke is, on a more serious note the fear mongering Chicken Littles want to cripple our economy and lifestyle (as would have occurred with their 83% CO2 cuts mandated in their 2009 cap & trade bill that passed the House); they want to do this despite, as Steven Goddard pointed out, there is zero correlation between rising CO2 in 21st century and the 17 years of flatlining temperatures. My comment:

Where’s the global warming? It’s no where to be found. This doesn’t jive with the doomsday predictions, models, and theory of the fear mongering Chicken Little Brigade. The bullsh!t artists try to spin this as par for the course, like, the deep ocean ate the supposed missing heat. Well there isn’t any missing heat. The heat’s just not there. Despite everything they said back in the ’80s and ’90s that if we don’t immediately cut CO2 to the bone we were going to by now be suffering from hellish heat, the sea rising over Manhattan and Florida, and tornadoes and hurricanes galore. Well the sea… is just the same. The temperatures… are just the same. The amount of hurricanes etc… is down. The warmist are full of it.
“We have to offer up scary scenarios… each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective and being honest.” -Stephen Schneider, lead ipcc author, 1989
“Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.” -Sir John Houghton, ex ipcc chair
“Entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of eco-refugees, threatening political chaos.” ” -Noel Brown, ex UNEP Director, 1989
“[Inaction will cause]… by the turn of the century [2000], an ecological catastrophe which will witness devastation as complete, as irreversible as any nuclear holocaust.” -Mustafa Tolba, 1982, former Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Program
Didn’t happen. It’s all unadulterated hogwash. Bullhockey. Like the hockey stick fabricated by the scientist activist Berkeley grad Michael Mann.

anotherJoe on April 12, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Good grief.

31giddyup on April 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM

A more pressing question would be, Why is HA not covering the Bundy Ranch showdown?

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Probably because this was already “in the can” (previously written).

bw222 on April 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM

bw222 on April 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM

More important “regularly scheduled programming” has been preempted, in my experience.

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:23 PM

If the government limits the amount of protein the population can consume, you have a very weak population. That seems to be what their point is.

vityas on April 12, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Drudge linked to it on ALEX JONES’S site (which I only visit when he links to it)

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:15 PM

That might be the most hilarious thing you’ve ever said.

Oh, and this:

There’s a thread for that. This ain’t it. But you’re confused about a lot of things.

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 12:31 PM

JetBoy on April 12, 2014 at 4:25 PM

If anyone is serious about controlling gaseous emissions, a dome over D.C. would be a good start.

merlich on April 12, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Obligatory

22044 on April 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM

This is a last stand people.

It is clear and obvious that even the media is finally turning on the topic. It will be a few more years before this sort of silliness stops, but when it does England will be the sore man out with their recent ‘schools must teach climate change’ crap but the rest of the world will finally be on spot to know there is no AGW, that Carbon is not a danger.

I know it seems improbable but the edge is in fact turning.

OregonPolitician on April 12, 2014 at 4:28 PM

A more pressing question would be, Why is HA not covering the Bundy Ranch showdown?

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:05 PM

As the Gadsden flag is becoming too obvious, I think I might get one of these for my car.

Fallon on April 12, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Also on a more serious note regarding global warming er um “climate change,” the New York Times, surprise surprise, on Tuesday came out with an article blasting global warming scare tactics:

Global Warming Scare Tactics

OAKLAND, Calif. — If you were looking for ways to increase public skepticism about global warming, you could hardly do better than the forthcoming nine-part series on climate change and natural disasters, starting this Sunday on Showtime.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/opinion/global-warming-scare-tactics.html?_r=1

anotherJoe on April 12, 2014 at 4:30 PM

ET TU, ERIKA??? NO MENTION OF BUNDY???? HOT AIR, I HARDLY KNOW YA….

lovingmyUSA on April 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Militias ‘mobilizing’ to support embattled Clark County rancher in clash with federal rangers

“They all tell me they are in the process of mobilizing as we speak,” Payne said.

He didn’t put a specific estimate on how many militia members may come, but he said the groups expected are from places like New Hampshire, Texas and Florida and could number in the hundreds.

I wonder if this was the ‘safety concern’ the BLM meant?

“Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.”

sharrukin on April 12, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Next comes a big tax on Beano.

HakerA on April 12, 2014 at 4:36 PM

I blame dihydrogen monoxide

tominsd on April 12, 2014 at 4:37 PM

JetBoy on April 12, 2014 at 4:25 PM

What has this thread got to do with you being a sodomist?

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Obligatory

22044 on April 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM

That never gets old.

tominsd on April 12, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Environmentalists have lately been emphasizing the particular heat-trapping potency of methane over carbon in their climate-change campaigns, and I suppose that if you want to argue that overall human flatulence in general could be a factor in our net methane emissions, that’s one thing —

Methane is the latest evil thing man is producing because Gosh Darn it! CO2 didn’t work. We blew past about 85 tipping point levels of CO2 in the atmosphere and nothing catastrophic happened, Nothing. Every single prediction the Eco frauds made turned out to be wrong, so now they need a new boogey man, and Methane is it.

And boy is it a good one. Unlike CO2 which was measured in parts per million (ppm) and fairly well distributed throughtout the entire atmosphere, Methane in the atmosphere is measured in part per billion (ppb) and its concentration is so small and varies hugely by region it is a perfect thing to cry wolf over. This lets these knuckleheads scream about rising levels even if they aren’t actually rising. A monster that never goes away.

In the end, just another scam.

Johnnyreb on April 12, 2014 at 4:41 PM

I don’t think human flatulence quite made the cut on this list of things we should be all that worried about.

But Lord Simon (who hits me as being exactly the opposite of an AGW advocate) certainly has the right idea. If the AGW people are going to rail against COWS as significant producers of methane, then they really ought to be railing against all animals who are significant producers of methane — including us Americans, who are known to enjoy our Bush’s Original (Seasoned with Bacon & Brown Sugar) Baked Beans right from the can!

As the Minister responded,

The noble lord of course does actually raise a very important point, which is we do need to moderate our behaviour.

I think she’s suggesting that the Brits ought to hold it in. As for us Americans, we do behavior, which is completely different from that wussy French behaviour. Which I think means we are off the hook, so to speak.

unclesmrgol on April 12, 2014 at 4:41 PM

I blame dihydrogen monoxide tominsd on April 12, 2014 at 4:37 PM

It’s in every tumor, you know.

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:41 PM

A more pressing question would be, Why is HA not covering the Bundy Ranch showdown?
Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:05 PM

First thing I thought when I read the headline.

Cleombrotus on April 12, 2014 at 4:42 PM

I blame dihydrogen monoxide tominsd on April 12, 2014 at 4:37 PM

It’s in every tumor, you know.

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:41 PM

See? I told you so.

tominsd on April 12, 2014 at 4:45 PM

The baked beans question is a potentially explosive issue. But I don’t know if linking it to climate change passes the smell test. On the other hand, it could be leading to a silent but deadly atmospheric pollution.

malclave on April 12, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Though I cant stand the man, Alex Jones (I cringe even to type his name), but it is live
http://www.ustream.tv/AlexJonesLive

lovingmyUSA on April 12, 2014 at 5:00 PM

I think Nevada is not wanted in some circles because the extremist libertarians who are getting involved. Getting tied to them is a great way to sour a conservative group.

OregonPolitician on April 12, 2014 at 5:02 PM

In this case I would guess Al Gore is the major contributor.

Sven on April 12, 2014 at 5:03 PM

And HOT AIR, you really think we give a flying fart about fricking “baked beans” when our citizens are facing down armed BLM gestapo

lovingmyUSA on April 12, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Is this how Hot Air got its name?

Sven on April 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM

A GREAT DAY FOR FREEDOM, AND HA IS NOT REPORTING IT

lovingmyUSA on April 12, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Dihydrogen monoxide is the most dangerous substance known to man. It can break down any barrier over time, it destroys mountains, too much of it in your system leads to vomiting, it is a leading cause of EPA land takeovers, and it is far scarier than Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere.

Why the powers of dihydrogen monoxide include retransmitting nearby electricity, creating trip hazards, and if added to beer it makes the beer far less effective!

We must ban dihydrogen monoxide immeadiately!

OregonPolitician on April 12, 2014 at 5:06 PM

I think Nevada is not wanted in some circles because the extremist libertarians who are getting involved. Getting tied to them is a great way to sour a conservative group.

OregonPolitician on April 12, 2014 at 5:02 PM

You don’t get to choose your allies or expect that the situation will be as pristine as you might have hoped when things go south.

sharrukin on April 12, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Bundy/BLM smolders, only just below the flashpoint, and HotAir gives us fart jokes.

What’s the matter – is your “give a damn” busted”?

Ed, Allah, Erika, whoever. Shame on all of you. Maybe you don’t do conservatism on weekends? Or maybe you don’t do it at all? This one, as they say, is gonna leave a mark.

bofh on April 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM

By the way, as wattsupwiththat reports, on top of CO2 having virtually zero effect beyond 200 parts per million (it’s at 400ppm now), methane has no effective greenhouse effect, because as Tom Sheahen states:

Looking across the wavelength scale at the bottom, H2O absorbs strongly in the 3-micron region, and again between 5 and 7 microns; then it absorbs to some degree beyond about 12 microns. CO2 has absorption bands centered around 2.5 microns, 4.3 microns, and has a broad band out beyond 13 microns. Consequently, CO2 adds a small contribution to the greenhouse effect. Notice that sometimes CO2 bands overlap with H2O bands, and with vastly more H2O present, CO2 doesn’t matter in those bands.

Looking at the second graph in the figure, methane (CH4) has narrow absorption bands at 3.3 microns and 7.5 microns (the red lines). CH4 is 20 times more effective an absorber than CO2 – in those bands. However, CH4 is only 0.00017% (1.7 parts per million) of the atmosphere. Moreover, both of its bands occur at wavelengths where H2O is already absorbing substantially. Hence, any radiation that CH4 might absorb has already been absorbed by H2O. The ratio of the percentages of water to methane is such that the effects of CH4 are completely masked by H2O.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/11/methane-the-irrelevant-greenhouse-gas/

anotherJoe on April 12, 2014 at 5:12 PM

They are moving the people back to allow for when cattle are released. The BLM is leaving in a conver, both sides of interstate.

lovingmyUSA on April 12, 2014 at 5:16 PM

They are” saluting” the convoy of BLM vehicles as they leave

lovingmyUSA on April 12, 2014 at 5:19 PM

This Bundy Ranch live feed has over 1 million currently viewing. I don’t know. I’d call that a news story.

Rational Thought on April 12, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Imagine if they sent all those BLM peeps to secure the border…

Fallon on April 12, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Pressing questions from the House of Lords: Does baked-beans consumption go into our climate change calculations?

Timely topic. I just pulled a big dish of them out of my oven. I’m having them with corn on the cob, potato salad and ribs that I BBQd on a gas grill. Following that up with fresh strawberries, angel food cake and whipped cream. Hope my carbon footprint is the size of Jupiter.

Oldnuke on April 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Ed, Allah, Erika, whoever. Shame on all of you. Maybe you don’t do conservatism on weekends? Or maybe you don’t do it at all? This one, as they say, is gonna leave a mark.

bofh on April 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Bravo.

rrpjr on April 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM

In other news, the President was spit on today by a white baby he was holding at fundraiser. MSNBC is calling it racist and demanding for a hate crimes investigation from Eric Holder.

Sven on April 12, 2014 at 5:29 PM

What GOP senator will ask for an investigation into Reid and this mind-boggling story of corruption?

I expect crickets.

rrpjr on April 12, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Yeah, the revolution will not be televised…

Fallon on April 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Ed, Allah, Erika, whoever. Shame on all of you. Maybe you don’t do conservatism on weekends? Or maybe you don’t do it at all? This one, as they say, is gonna leave a mark.

bofh on April 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Bravo.

rrpjr on April 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Even Russia Today is covering it.

Heavily-armed feds surround Nevada Bundy ranch, confiscate cattle (VIDEO)

http://rt.com/usa/nevada-ranch-armed-feds-520/

sharrukin on April 12, 2014 at 5:35 PM

JetBoy on April 12, 2014 at 4:25 PM

What has this thread got to do with you being a sodomist?

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Why are you so obsessed with JetBoy’s weiner?

lovingmyUSA on April 12, 2014 at 5:40 PM

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/11/methane-the-irrelevant-greenhouse-gas/

anotherJoe on April 12, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Verrrry interesting.

slickwillie2001 on April 12, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Pressing questions from the House of Lords: Does baked-beans consumption go into our climate change calculations?

Timely topic. I just pulled a big dish of them out of my oven. I’m having them with corn on the cob, potato salad and ribs that I BBQd on a gas grill. Following that up with fresh strawberries, angel food cake and whipped cream. Hope my carbon footprint is the size of Jupiter.

Oldnuke on April 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Let me know when they start on asparagus and broccoli.

slickwillie2001 on April 12, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Ed, Allah, Erika, whoever. Shame on all of you. Maybe you don’t do conservatism on weekends? Or maybe you don’t do it at all? This one, as they say, is gonna leave a mark.

bofh on April 12, 2014 at 5:09 PM

No one has done conservatism at Hot Air since Bryan Preston left.

bw222 on April 12, 2014 at 6:12 PM

I must denounce myself. Even without beans I am a methane emitter extraordinaire. I can clear a room of dogs. I apologize for warming the planet.

On a lighter note, I have, on occasion, levitated myself. A most enlightening experience…

Kraken on April 12, 2014 at 6:30 PM

And HOT AIR, you really think we give a flying fart about fricking “baked beans” when our citizens are facing down armed BLM gestapo

lovingmyUSA on April 12, 2014 at 5:03 PM

HEH. I LOL’d for real…

ladyingray on April 12, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Phhhhhhhht! Er, excuse moi.

vnvet on April 12, 2014 at 7:58 PM

First of all there is NO man-made Global Warming and the Earth has been cooling for at least 12 years. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2001/to/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2001/to/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2001/to/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2001/to/trend

But secondly, methane is only 0.000179% of the atmosphere and it’s senseless to think it can have any measurable impact on climate.

Axion on April 12, 2014 at 8:07 PM

First of all there is NO man-made Global Warming and the Earth has been cooling for at least 12 years. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2001/to/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2001/to/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2001/to/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2001/to/tsrend
Axion on April 12, 2014 at 8:07 PM

You know what, that’s the actual data. Cooling for 12 years, and no warming for about 17 years and 8 months. And their models and predictions called for it to be sharply hotter right now. See the first graphic in this post and you see how dramatically the divergence is between ALL their climate models and … reality: http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/06/still-epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-measurements-running-5-year-means/

anotherJoe on April 12, 2014 at 8:52 PM

It’s good to have these discussions. They underline just how ridiculous the climate cult has become.

Saw that, Drudge linked to it on ALEX JONES’S site (which I only visit when he links to it), but looking at that and some of the linked articles I see that the property Ried’s trying to use to enrich his family is 80 miles south of Vegas, the Bundy Ranch 90 miles north.

Reid’s former staffer runs BLM, his boy is a lawyer for the commie Chinese solar company. That alone fails the smell test, but if the Bundy property is threatened by this plot then Reid et al should be locked up, Cask of Amontillado style.

Akzed on April 12, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I don’t doubt Reid has some crooked deal with the Chinese, but this is nowhere near the Bundys. This is about abuse of the Endangered Species Act to benefit Reid’s developer friends.

With Harry, it is hard to keep all his corrupt activities straight.

Adjoran on April 13, 2014 at 2:02 AM

Less corn, it’s all going to go to making ethanol and now they want our baked beans. This may be what kills this fake science for everyone.

Kissmygrits on April 13, 2014 at 8:56 AM

I can see it now. One of Waxmans last acts will be the introduction of a fart tax. Not a flat tax, but a fart tax. Specially designed clothing for the detection of flatulence. Will the tax be based on volume or odor? Silence or thunderous? Will there be fart free zones? Perhaps some fart tax credits that you can buy and trade? I joke…but how many times do we present satire that is then given us as serious policy by liberals…..? All the time…..

ritethinker on April 13, 2014 at 4:20 PM