Rand Paul: C’mon, Jeb Bush’s “act of love” comment about illegals was well intentioned

posted at 6:09 pm on April 11, 2014 by Allahpundit

Here’s today’s reminder that everyone in the field in 2016 will sound pretty much the same on immigration. Only Jeb, for reasons that aren’t entirely clear, will go so far as to frame the issue as one of love and hate, but if you compare the reactions from Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and now Rand Paul, you’ll see they’re all pushing the same basic line. On the one hand, we must follow the rule of law; on the other hand, most illegals are good people who face terrible hardship and should, at a minimum, have an easier route to entering the U.S. legally. That is to say, the trick for the next Republican nominee will be to come off as anti-illegal immigration, to please the base, but very pro-illegal immigrant, to reassure Latinos.

And so Jeb’s fulsome musings about “love” are challenged in only the mildest, most respectful terms.

“I think it wasn’t the most artful way of saying something, but I think he was well-intentioned,” Paul said in an interview with RealClearPolitics. “If I were to make the same point, I would say that people who seek the American dream are not bad people, but that doesn’t mean you can invite the whole world to come.”…

“But I think [Jeb's critics] worried that if love is the criteria, what does that mean?” Paul added. “That everybody who’s got some love for their relatives can come? You know, the whole world loves America, and they can’t all come.”

Paul said that it was important to have a “healthy respect” for immigrants when engaging in the debate over immigration policy.

“They come to this country and they’re not bad people,” he said. “But we have to start with the first part then that the border can’t be open, and everything that’s offered to American citizens can’t just be offered to the world. We have this enormous welfare state that we can’t pay for on our own, so we can’t invite the world to be on it.”

The inherent tension of the anti-illegal immigration/pro-illegal immigrant approach is that the more sympathetic you are to the latter, logically the less firm you’ll be about the former. That’s especially true in Jeb’s case given that he also sees illegal immigration as an economic and social good. Remember last year how he celebrated the fact that immigrants tend to be more fertile? That’s a key part of his approach to entitlements — import enough young workers, especially fertile young workers, and they’ll help pay for the welfare state for decades to come. He made a similar point just yesterday in defending his “act of love” remarks. Youth, vitality — immigration!

“To be young and dynamic again we have to be young and dynamic again,” Bush said, adding that people need to view “immigration reform not as a problem, but as a huge opportunity.”…

“You know, I’ve been saying this for the last three or four years, I said the exact same thing that I’ve said regularly,” he said. “And the simple fact is, there is no conflict between enforcing our laws, believing in the rule of law and having some sensitivity to the immigrant experience, which is part of who we are as a country.”

“It is not an American value to allow people to stay in the shadows,” Bush added, saying he’d just learned of a high school athlete at Miami Beach High School who’s been in the U.S. since he was a young boy but who was told to go back “to his native land…[the message the young man received was] you’re not worthy of being successful in our country.”

Does that sound like a guy who’d take a firm line as president about improving border security as a condition of amnestizing the illegals who are already here? If they’re coming to America out of “love” and they’re bringing youth and dynamism and future entitlement revenue and it’s un-American to leave people “in the shadows,” why would you tighten the border at all? If anything, Jeb should be leading the charge against extra border security. It’s hateful!

Speaking of which, there’s a lot more “love” coming across the Texas border these days than there was a few years ago. Follow the link and scroll down, then have a look at the NYT’s graph. Not only is illegal immigration among Mexicans higher in that area than it’s been in 10 years, illegal immigration among people from countries other than Mexico is nearly off the charts, almost 10 times what it was in 2000. Exit quotation: “Word has gotten out that we’re giving people permission and walking them out the door.”


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I like you, Rand. But stop pandering.

John the Libertarian on April 11, 2014 at 6:13 PM

NO MORE BUSHES

TX-96 on April 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Rand Paul: C’mon, Jeb Bush’s “act of love” comment about illegals was well intentioned

But Rand Paul’s defense of Bush? Not so much.

Stoic Patriot on April 11, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Is Rand thinking too much? Is he trying to be too much of the liberal pleasing bleeding heart? Or is he just pretty much in the same amnesty boat as Bush? Either ways, not good.

anotherJoe on April 11, 2014 at 6:15 PM

C’mon, Jeb Bush’s “act of love” comment about illegals was well intentioned

Tell that to every little girl that has been brutally raped
and to every family whose loved one has been killed by a mexican on welfare you muking foron .
Uggghh…

burrata on April 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM

“But I think [Jeb's critics] worried that if love is the criteria, what does that mean?” Paul added. “That everybody who’s got some love for their relatives can come? You know, the whole world loves America, and they can’t all come.

Russia, China, South America, and the Middle East at large disagree.

Stoic Patriot on April 11, 2014 at 6:16 PM

This guy is full Rubio with a half twist.

Buddahpundit on April 11, 2014 at 6:17 PM

“They come to this country and they’re not bad people,” he said. “But we have to start with the first part then that the border can’t be open, and everything that’s offered to American citizens can’t just be offered to the world. We have this enormous welfare state that we can’t pay for on our own, so we can’t invite the world to be on it.”

I like Rand a little better from this quote.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Rand Paul is fine in the Senate, but I’d never vote for him for President. Too much like his old man.

bw222 on April 11, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Rand Paul is an open boarders kind of man.
For every 100 illegal aliens given Amnesty the Democrats gain net 69 to 75 new votes to counter conservative votes. Add in all the added chain immigration family members and for every 100 illegal Aliens given amnesty the Democrats gain a net 200 or more votes to counter conservative votes.
How conservative can you be if you are planning to turn over to the democrats a near permanent majority at the federal and likely state and local level?

astonerii on April 11, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Paul said that it was important to have a “healthy respect” for immigrants when engaging in the debate over immigration policy.

 
Wait, so this isn’t about illegal aliens anymore?

rogerb on April 11, 2014 at 6:20 PM

“They come to this country and they’re not bad people,” he said. “But we have to start with the first part then that the border can’t be open, and everything that’s offered to American citizens can’t just be offered to the world. We have this enormous welfare state that we can’t pay for on our own, so we can’t invite the world to be on it.”

I like Rand a little better from this quote.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Let me amend that slightly.

“They come to this country and they’re not all bad people (though some of them are),” he said. “But we have to start with the first part then that the border can’t be open, and everything that’s offered to American citizens can’t just be offered to the world. We have this enormous welfare state that we can’t pay for on our own, so we can’t invite the world to be on it.”

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2014 at 6:24 PM

At one point I saw Rand Paul as possibly the mainstream candidate of choice. I doubt it now. I’m starting to see him more like a spoiler like his dad Ron. If that’s going to be the case, for the good of the party he should bow out and give his support to someone else, like Cruz.

anotherJoe on April 11, 2014 at 6:25 PM

“They come to this country and they’re not bad people,” he said.

 
I know a guy who drives 15 mph over the speed limit in school zones, but he’s not a bad person.

rogerb on April 11, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Is there anyone who is willing to say that illegal immigration is unacceptable and has to stop?

El_Terrible on April 11, 2014 at 6:32 PM

C’mon, Rand, keep digging, lol.

I like Rand a little better from this quote.

Bitter Clinger

Too bad that quote is contradicted by one of his others where he said the we should let everyone in the world in who wants a job. That he felt the need to defend Jeb’s ridiculous comments pretty much says all that needs to be said.

xblade on April 11, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Remember last year how he celebrated the fact that immigrants tend to be more fertile? That’s a key part of his approach to entitlements — import enough young workers, especially fertile young workers, and they’ll help pay for the welfare state for decades to come. He made a similar point just yesterday in defending his “act of love” remarks. Youth, vitality — immigration!

Lolz. How’s that working out for Europe? By the 1970s, the welfare hammock in Europe had become so luxurious that people just stopped having children. There isn’t a country in the 27 members of the EU that has a fertility rate of 2.2, which is considered the replacement rate or the number of children per woman necessary to keep the population steady. NOT ONE. In Spain and Greece, the FR is so low that each successive generation will halve the population. Croatia is down to 1.1 and the Slavian countries are nearly as bad. Germany has offered to PAY women to have children.

So, what do you do when you can’t be bothered to give birth to the children to pay the taxes to keep you in the style to which you’ve grown accustomed? Why, you import your “children,” silly! Of course, you are SOOL when your “children” arrive and find out that they actually don’t feel like working to pay the exorbitant taxes to keep old, white people in the styles to which they think they are entitled. Besides, that luxury, welfare hammock looks pretty good. When in Rome, do as the Romans and let ‘the evil rich’ eat cake and the bill! La dolce vita and all that!

Interestingly, in countries like the UK, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Norway, as there has been more immigration, support for welfare programmes has fallen and reform has been demanded. Even Marx and Engels recognised that socialism would work best in homogenuous populations. Their reasoning was that like peoples are more willing to work together and share in the spoils.

Resist We Much on April 11, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Ah, Rand Paul, so quick to lick Jeb’s boot?

I love what suckers the Paultards are, so quick to jump on the Ronulan Bandwagon.

The fix is so in on the Paul Campaign, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Crossroads GPS.

victor82 on April 11, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Any republican who’s pro-illegal is an idiot.

Rand Paul is an idiot.

Rebar on April 11, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Is there anyone who is willing to say that illegal immigration is unacceptable and has to stop?

El_Terrible on April 11, 2014 at 6:32 PM

I can think of 3 prominent anti-amnesty politicians:

Jeff Sessions
Steve King
Tom Tancredo

…and there’s Joe Arpaio, if he ever stops being a sheriff and gets fully into politics.

Stoic Patriot on April 11, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Is there anyone who is willing to say that illegal immigration is unacceptable and has to stop?

El_Terrible on April 11, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Me Me Me!!! (waves)

Not just NO but HELL NO!

Scrumpy on April 11, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Is there anyone who is willing to say that illegal immigration is unacceptable and has to stop?

El_Terrible on April 11, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Now that is viewed as automatic hate speech. Nobody wants to express that viewpoint in the open. PC is killing the USA.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2014 at 6:37 PM

There’s much more interesting political news on the illegal alien front than listening to Paul’s nonsense. Drudge has 4 different links.

Wigglesworth on April 11, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Rand is having quite the week.

thebrokenrattle on April 11, 2014 at 6:42 PM

victor82 on April 11, 2014 at 6:36 PM

My prediction last year and I’m sticking with it is the party will have a RINO/Liberal-tarian ticket.

Wigglesworth on April 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM

So committing a crime is OK as long as it’s motivated by love? Is that what you and Jeb are saying?

I love my kids so much, I’m not going to pay my taxes so I can spend the money on them.

Over50 on April 11, 2014 at 6:47 PM

on the other hand, most illegals are good people who face terrible hardship and should, at a minimum, have an easier route to entering the U.S. legally.

I completely disagree with this premise as so-called Republicans argue over Illegal Immigrant Reform. Not to be confused with immigration reform which includes stuff like monitoring visas.

Happy Nomad on April 11, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Jeff Sessions ’16!

FloatingRock on April 11, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2014 at 6:37 PM

I’m nobody and I am saying it, “NO more ILLEGALS allowed“!

Scrumpy on April 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM

My question was kinda meant from the 2016 candidates. I think we’re doomed.

El_Terrible on April 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Sounds like he wants to be VP with Jeb.

crankyoldlady on April 11, 2014 at 6:51 PM

I do not have any sympathy for any illegal alien. Why is it, Mexico can enforce their southern border, but we can’t? We do not need them. We have enough problems. Legal, yes. Illegal, no damn way!

LastRonin on April 11, 2014 at 6:52 PM

I’m nobody and I am saying it, “NO more ILLEGALS allowed“!

Scrumpy on April 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Perhaps you’d like to stomp your foot, for additional effect…

JohnGalt23 on April 11, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Rand is just like his father, buyer beware…

idesign on April 11, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2014 at 6:37 PM

I’m nobody and I am saying it, “NO more ILLEGALS allowed“!

Scrumpy on April 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Well, I meant nobody in Washington. I feel the same way you do.

Bitter Clinger on April 11, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Moving towards the center, are we?

JellyToast on April 11, 2014 at 7:16 PM

Obviously, Rand knows we’re on the road to demographic Hell and what it’s paved with…

vnvet on April 11, 2014 at 7:17 PM

The unemployment rate in Mexico is about 4.5%

Go home.

Mimzey on April 11, 2014 at 7:20 PM

“But I think [Jeb's critics] worried that if love is the criteria, what does that mean?” Paul added. “That everybody who’s got some love for their relatives can come? You know, the whole world loves America, and they can’t all come.”

It means love, man.

٩(^‿^)۶ ٩(^‿^)۶ ٩(^‿^)۶ ٩(^‿^)۶ ٩(^‿^)۶

Let’s all hold hands in a circle. Everyone in the United States: Mexicans, Americans, the Irish — everyone. Let’s sing. Because this kind of love fixes everything. Also, you are supposed to sing it.

I’d Like To Teach the World to Sing, In Perfect Harmony

See how easy this is? We’re doing it! Our problems are all going away, and all we needed was to hold hands and sing about love!

Axe on April 11, 2014 at 7:22 PM

So even Rand can’t stand with Rand. I am so sick of these fence sitters, wishy washy politicians.

bluefox on April 11, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Act of Love?…

Suspect in Fatal DeKalb County Georgia Hit-and-Run Flees Country

The suspect in the hit-and-run death of a 2-year-old boy left the country earlier this week, the spokesman for the DeKalb County Police Department said Friday.

Capt. S.R. Fore made that revelation less than 24 hours after police identified 57-year-old Concepcion Cruz as the suspect in the April 5 incident and announced that he would placed on the no-fly list.

slickwillie2001 on April 11, 2014 at 7:27 PM

The unemployment rate in Mexico is about 4.5%

Go home.

Mimzey on April 11, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Yes, and there are long lists of people wishing to emigrate to America from some of the world’s real hellholes. Mexico is a paradise compared to many of these places. Some of them actually have valuable skills as well.

slickwillie2001 on April 11, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Is Dingy Harry Behind The Seige At The Bundy Ranch?

Resist We Much on April 11, 2014 at 7:03 PM

I would say so. I didn’t know until reading that 80-86% of Nevada is owned by the Federal Goverment. I thot they were to “manage” the land.

Mark Levin just covered this with some info from Dana Loesch. It appears the news we’re getting is not exactly true.

Mark just said Reid runs Nevada & his buddy heads the BLM.

bluefox on April 11, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Scrumpy on April 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Scrumpy for President!!!

bluefox on April 11, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Rand talks too much at times.

wolly4321 on April 11, 2014 at 7:36 PM

C’mon Rand! Has he not read the excellent piece in the NY Times today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/11/us/poverty-and-violence-push-new-wave-of-migrants-toward-us.html?_r=0

This excellent piece clearly shows that amnesty is the absolute WRONG thing to do. Also, reading the comments to the piece was most gratifying: 10 to 1 AGAINST amnesty–in a liberal paper, no less.

STOP, STOP, STOP THE HISPANDERING!!

KickandSwimMom on April 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM

Rand talks too much at times.

wolly4321 on April 11, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Compare to Scott Walker who stays generally focused on his job and doesn’t go out of his way to say things unlike Rand “I gotta be in the news!” Paul.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt…

thebrokenrattle on April 11, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Is Dingy Harry Behind The Seige At The Bundy Ranch?

Resist We Much on April 11, 2014 at 7:03 PM

I think the people behind him are behind it. I hope there is a dust up. Maybe it will get people’s attention. Reid’s collusion needs to be advertised far and wide. it won’t be in the government media.

crankyoldlady on April 11, 2014 at 7:45 PM

The Harmony Hut

Axe on April 11, 2014 at 7:48 PM

20 years ago I drove across the country. Everything on the radio in those western states was about rodeo and the abuses of the BLM. So this isn’t new.

crankyoldlady on April 11, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Perhaps you’d like to stomp your foot, for additional effect…

JohnGalt23 on April 11, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Galt’s Gulch had a personal invitation immigration policy. Only after being put through many tests was anyone even made aware of its existence. Here you are, an open borders let them all in kind of guy claiming his name.

astonerii on April 11, 2014 at 7:52 PM

OT- today Rush was suggesting Sylvia Burwell, sebelious’s replacement was a hottie.

After a google image search,, I’ve been had.

That’s one butt ugly “woman?”

wolly4321 on April 11, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Rand Paul hit the perfect note with this response:

“But I think [Jeb's critics] worried that if love is the criteria, what does that mean?” Paul added. “That everybody who’s got some love for their relatives can come? You know, the whole world loves America, and they can’t all come.”

Only Democrats think Republicans don’t want legal immigration. Only Democrats think Republicans hate immigrants to the United States.

Republicans are asking for something Democrats cannot fathom, especially with Obama as President. The rule of law. And the Democrats are doing everything in their power to take it away.

Baggi on April 11, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Mark just said Reid runs Nevada & his buddy heads the BLM.

bluefox on April 11, 2014 at 7:29 PM

I know. I wrote about it 2 hours ago. He was his policy adviser for public lands for 8 years.

Resist We Much on April 11, 2014 at 7:58 PM

I think the people behind him are behind it. I hope there is a dust up. Maybe it will get people’s attention. Reid’s collusion needs to be advertised far and wide. it won’t be in the government media.

crankyoldlady on April 11, 2014 at 7:45 PM

His son, Rory, is in it up to his chin. Did you read my piece?

Resist We Much on April 11, 2014 at 8:00 PM

OT- today Rush was suggesting Sylvia Burwell, sebelious’s replacement was a hottie.

After a google image search,, I’ve been had.

That’s one butt ugly “woman?”

wolly4321 on April 11, 2014 at 7:53 PM

LOL, I saw her pic yesterday. Rush also said today that it was her personally that ordered the shutdown of the WWII Memorials.

bluefox on April 11, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Will there be at least one anti-amnesty candidate running in 2016?I really would like to leave the house to vote that November.

redware on April 11, 2014 at 8:05 PM

bluefox on April 11, 2014 at 7:29 PM

I know. I wrote about it 2 hours ago. He was his policy adviser for public lands for 8 years.

Resist We Much on April 11, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Oh, didn’t see your comments. I was on the Heartbleed bug issue:-)

I am having an issue with HA’s script/code/ads. Something on all HA threads are conflicting with Flash Player!! Trying to type is trying! Then the auto ads, grrrr. I use IE9.

bluefox on April 11, 2014 at 8:09 PM

STOP, STOP, STOP THE HISPANDERING!!

KickandSwimMom on April 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM

Levin may be reading that N.Y. Times article you linked to.

bluefox on April 11, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Galt’s Gulch had a personal invitation immigration policy. Only after being put through many tests was anyone even made aware of its existence. Here you are, an open borders let them all in kind of guy claiming his name.

astonerii on April 11, 2014 at 7:52 PM

When we develop an invisible ray shield that hides our very existence to the outside world, you will, of course, let us know?

Until that day, I prefer to not base policy on works of fiction, unlike some on the knuckle-dragging Right…

JohnGalt23 on April 11, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Libertarians believe in amnesty, the legalization of drugs, a minimal defense and they find nothing wrong with crony capitalism. Libertarians are also liberal on social issues. Ron and Rand are pro life but that is one of the few areas where they break with Libertarian convention.

fight like a girl on April 11, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Rand Paul: C’mon, Jeb Bush’s “act of love” comment about illegals was well intentioned.

And stupid.

Who wants a well intentioned guy prone to say, and one must assume do, stupid things for President?

This was obvious pandering.

It is not an act of love. It is an act of law breaking motivated by either desperation or, to use the socialist’s term for a desire to acquire more money than one can get by legal means, greed. Pick’em.

Giving the benefit of the doubt, desperation is not love.

farsighted on April 11, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Shutup Rand!

It’s because of irresponsible A-hole politicians like Jeb…Rubio…Obama…Biden etc. that these people are coming here from South America.

Anarchy!

“Sure, we catch them. We process them, we turn them loose, then we catch them again.” He laughs lightly, and leans against his patrol rig, an easy grin on his face. “It keeps us employed.”

According to a recent article in the Deming Headlight, 90,000 illegal immigrants have been apprehended in the last six months by Border Patrol agents in the El Paso sector, which includes New Mexico and West Texas. That’s 180,000 a year. And that’s just the ones they catch; it is a 20 percent increase over the previous year.

Why this massive onslaught on our southern border? Two reasons: hunger and money.

According to a report filed recently from the Colegio de la Frontera Norte, the leading Mexican academic institution in the study of the Mexican-U.S. border, in Ciudad Juárez, coyotes made nearly $102 million in the last year trafficking in illegal immigrants. The coyotes or polleros, as they’re called, serve as “travel agents” for the immigrants, who come for essentially one reason: to work.

Sinaloa is the state just south of Sonora. Much of it is Pacific coastline. It is rich agricultural land. Coconut palms march for miles along the coast. I was down there last year.

In January you can see whole crews of young men loading coconuts into trucks: big, four-ton affairs with high sides and dual rear wheels. You can see campesinos planting chiles by hand, harvesting tomatoes, burning. There is an ever-present miasma of smoke, as fields and ditches are constantly being burned in preparation of another round of planting.

Campesinos work all day in the fields for 100 pesos a day — a little more than $9. That’s for a day’s work — the price of lunch in the United States. It’s hard to believe, but it’s true. Everywhere I went (in the fields, at taco stands, on the streets) the refrain was the same: “We can’t feed our families on what we earn, no matter how hard we work.”

Not all Mexican immigrants want to stay in the U.S. Some come to earn enough money to return to their homeland. I talked to a rancher in Guerrero (Chihuahua) who spent 15 years in Phoenix working in a dairy. “When I earned enough money I returned home,” he said. He earned enough to buy cattle to support himself and his family. He spoke good English and was extremely helpful in getting my flat tire fixed.

But whether they stay or not, undocumented workers are coming here, and in record numbers….”

http://fourcornersfreepress.com/news/2006/060601.htm

workingclass artist on April 11, 2014 at 8:56 PM

AMNESTY TWIN POWERS, ACTIVATE!

Form of a SQUISH! Shape of a PUTZ!

Pork-Chop on April 11, 2014 at 8:58 PM

This is what they are told in Latin America.

Obama dice que podemos quedarnos una vez que estemos allí.

(Obama says we can stay once we’re there.)

workingclass artist on April 11, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Considering the huge mess our country is experiencing, and since we are on the brink of who knows what happens next, pandering by any candidate running for president is repulsive.

mobydutch on April 11, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Enjoy your Democrat overlords, GOP. Because until you can differentiate yourselves from them, you won’t be seeing a vote from me. I’ve cast my LAST vote for a pro-amnesty Republican.
Never again.

Murf76 on April 11, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Jeb ‘act of love’ Bush is a loser, just like his whole family. They’re self-absorbed plutocrats who mistake this country for a monarchy. Ain’t gonna happen.

Conservchik on April 11, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Not voting for Jeb or Rand or any other panderbear. If Scott Walker starts up with that nonsense, I’m done with it.

Conservchik on April 11, 2014 at 9:58 PM

Sorry, but going by Rand’s background with the Libertarian Party and his father, I trust his instincts on the issue even less than Jeb’s.

“Open borders” was a fundamental and founding LP issue. It was one of the basic principles the whole movement is based on. Ron Paul ran on an open borders platform in 1988, and he was willing to buck the Party’s pro-abortion stance, so if he disagreed with it on principle he would have. He only shifted to a tougher stance when sentiment in his congressional district had shifted strongly that way. It always seemed a timely change of a long-held position.

Rand stands in that shadow after spending years on the campaign trail declaring he had no policy differences with Ron at all. He can convince me his thinking is different, but it will take more than a few years in the Senate to do it.

I think most of realize there isn’t going to be a massive round-up and deportation of the 12 million illegals already here. But acquiescing to that reality doesn’t mean that whatever form of “legalization” they get should include any “pathway to citizenship” that puts them ahead of anyone waiting for entry legally. And it doesn’t mean they should get anything before serious enforcement measures have been implemented and demonstrated to be working.

We tried the “comprehensive” route of reform before in 1968 and 1986 and in both cases the promised enforcements and effects never came. Call us jaded, call us cynical, but anything that doesn’t begin with effective enforcement up and working FIRST is a non-starter.

Adjoran on April 11, 2014 at 11:58 PM

AMNESTY TWIN POWERS, ACTIVATE!

Form of a SQUISH! Shape of a PUTZ!

Pork-Chop on April 11, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Explain to me how Rand Paul and Ted Cruz differ on immigration? I can only imagine the outrage from some on here if Rand Paul said he was a big fan of Jeb Bush while disagreeing with “act of love” statement, which Ted Cruz said in an interview with Cavuto last week. The only senator that is out front and talking strong on the illegal immigration issue right now is Jeff Sessions, and that’s likely because he has no aspirations for higher office.

However, any discussion of what to do with the people currently here illegally is meaningless if we don’t actually tackle the root of the problem. Sure, we can deport the 12-30 million illegal immigrants that are currently here, but they will continue to flow in without securing the borders and de-incentivizing illegal immigration.

Rand seems to get that here

“They come to this country and they’re not bad people,” he said. “But we have to start with the first part then that the border can’t be open, and everything that’s offered to American citizens can’t just be offered to the world. We have this enormous welfare state that we can’t pay for on our own, so we can’t invite the world to be on it.”

midgeorgian on April 12, 2014 at 12:55 AM

Rand is DOA #2.

Next.

V7_Sport on April 12, 2014 at 1:06 AM

Libertarians believe in amnesty, the legalization of drugs, a minimal defense and they find nothing wrong with crony capitalism. Libertarians are also liberal on social issues. Ron and Rand are pro life but that is one of the few areas where they break with Libertarian convention.

fight like a girl on April 11, 2014 at 8:30 PM

There is debate among libertarians on the issue of immigration. Most libertarians would prefer open borders in a perfect world, but most also realize that we don’t live in a perfect world and that open borders and unfettered immigration absolutely cannot exist within the welfare state. Nigel Farage from the British UKIP party does a good job of expounding this view.

As far as libertarians finding nothing wrong with crony capitalism, that’s just incorrect. Libertarians strongly oppose crony capitalism and any government practice of giving certain businesses advantages over their competitors, the bailouts for instance. Libertarians and conservatives generally agree on fiscal issues and any differences that emerge come from libertarians that veer even further to the right than traditional conservatives on economics.

midgeorgian on April 12, 2014 at 1:42 AM

I like you, Rand. But stop pandering.

John the Libertarian on April 11, 2014 at 6:13 PM

This is my caveat with Rand right now, he gave an excellent answer in regards to the welfare state and unlimited immigration, unfortunately for him, most people will only come away with is his comments regarding Jeb Bush. At times Paul tries to appease everyone and instead he appeases no one.

midgeorgian on April 12, 2014 at 2:19 AM

How conservative can you be if you are planning to turn over to the democrats a near permanent majority at the federal and likely state and local level?

astonerii on April 11, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Right. Mass immigration is the one issue that swings every other issue.

Everyone who says they will hold the line on this, that and the other conservative issue and is also supporting mass immigration (in however mealy-mouthed a way) is claiming to want X while in fact importing a majority to vote against X forever.

David Blue on April 12, 2014 at 4:38 AM

RINOS listen carefully. Here’s the deal

RINO strategy-Only 27% of Hispanics voted for Romnrey. Had 35% voted for Romney, we would have gained 3 million votes and won the election.

Here’s the reality–With Amnesty

1 Estimated illegal alien figures are deliberately low balled by both parties.Around 10 million voters will added (maybe twice that many if friends and relatives jump on the bandwagon).
2 First generation Hispanic voters vote 90/10 Democratic, not 65/35 (3rd generation Hispanic voters). This will mean a net LOSS of 8 million votes.
3 You will gain 3 million votes (and even THAT is hardly guaranteed) and lose 8 million votes by granting Amnesty. That’s a NET LOSS OF 5 MILLION VOTES.And maybe a lot more than that in the future.
4 The election was largely lost not because of a poor Hispanic turnout but because of a poor evangelical turnout (not voting for a Mormon).

Has Rand Paul gone crazy by backing up Jeb Bush’s ludicrous statement???

MaiDee on April 12, 2014 at 8:23 AM

Is Dingy Harry Behind The Seige At The Bundy Ranch?

Resist We Much on April 11, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Thanks for the invaluable post. There seems to be a news blackout on this subject. My comments last night on another thread related to this important news were never posted.

I tried posting the same information (from Drudge) at this thread just now and it will not post. I suspect if you link to the Drudge site that sounds like information wares, it is blocked. However if you criticize that site, your post will be allowed

entagor on April 12, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Test completed. Linking to the site that carries the hot cattle ranch news item on Drudge will kill your post here. However, criticize that site by name, is OK

entagor on April 12, 2014 at 8:54 AM

The only “act of love” I care about regarding this issue is my love of America whose sovereignty is threatened by the invasion of illegals and my fellow Americans whose tax burden,safety,and economic opportunity is being negatively impacted by them.I have been a loyal GOP voter for over 40 years.No more.Good luck replacing people like me with your new Hispanic voters!

redware on April 12, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Something tells me that with the current crop of politicians on both sides, we’ll never have a secure border. This problem will come up every 20 years with immigration being broken and we need a new law.

Kissmygrits on April 12, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Is Dingy Harry Behind The Seige At The Bundy Ranch?

Resist We Much on April 11, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Thank you RWM!! Your article is great and you have such a talent of condensing complicated issues where even “a cave man” can understand them!!!

So, our government has become king John. The corruption is worse than any of us paying attention could even imagine.

When is HA going to have a thread up on this is what I’d like to know. Seems like they are late to the party lately. The Heartbleed bug surfaced on 4/8 and finally HA had a thread up on 4/11/14.

bluefox on April 12, 2014 at 9:32 AM

When is HA going to have a thread up on this is what I’d like to know. Seems like they are late to the party lately. The Heartbleed bug surfaced on 4/8 and finally HA had a thread up on 4/11/14.

bluefox on April 12, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Maybe they are on vacation

I agree with your comments on RWM. I would add fearless

entagor on April 12, 2014 at 9:54 AM

entagor on April 12, 2014 at 8:52 AM

So, most of those links on Drudge can’t be posted here?

I bookmarked all of Drudge’s links. I’ve been following this on Freerepublic.

Glad Drudge is on top of this. Also RWM’s post was awesome & put things in perspective; something old and something new. More & more we see there really isn’t anything “new under the sun.”

bluefox on April 12, 2014 at 9:57 AM

bluefox on April 12, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Maybe they are on vacation

I agree with your comments on RWM. I would add fearless

entagor on April 12, 2014 at 9:54 AM

I’ve noticed that ever since Townhall took over under Salem Communications, the thread topics have changed. I’ve read info
that suggests that Townhall & Salem are not as conservative as previously thot. They held a big Fundraiser for Mitch McConnell on 3/19/14, along with Dennis Prager and Hugh Hewitt. I posted that info prior to that on one of the headline threads as I recall.

bluefox on April 12, 2014 at 10:02 AM

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2014/03/09/mitch-mcconnell-on-conservative-activist-groups-i-think-we-are-going-to-crush-them-everywhere/

bluefox on March 9, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Link for the Salem Communications fundraiser for McConnell

bluefox on April 12, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Rand Paul is just another political jackass. Do they clone these cartoonish buffoons? Jeb Bush can kiss my ass.

mcgilvra on April 12, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Well, Foxnews finally has a mention of the Nevada Rancher/BLM issue if you look hard for it. Must be popular, as it has over 8,000 comments.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/11/militia-groups-come-to-aid-nevada-rancher-in-battle-with-feds/?intcmp=trending

bluefox on April 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM

“[W]hat does that mean?” Paul added. “That everybody who’s got some love for their relatives can come? You know, the whole world loves America, and they can’t all come.”

Therein lies the difference between Rand Paul and the establishment. This is a great point. Jeb’s not wrong, people are coming here because they want to be part of America, and in many cases they are absolutely desperate to escape their nation of origin. If I wasn’t born in the U.S., I would sure as hell want to be here. But we can’t accommodate everyone.

This is 180 degrees away from the headline Allah slapped on it.

Caiwyn on April 12, 2014 at 12:39 PM

UPDATE! BREAKING!! Possible Deal Struck Between Nevada Rancher And Government Officials

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/breaking-possible-deal-struck-between-nevada-rancher-and-government-officials/

bluefox on April 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM

You know, the whole world loves America, and they can’t all come.”

That is so very not true. Even most Americans today do not love America.

Most of this supposed love for America is really a love for what America can do for them. That is not love. Most of them don’t even like America. Many of them, if not most, actually hate America. They just want a piece of the pie America creates.

fadetogray on April 12, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Rand Paul: C’mon, Jeb Bush’s “act of love” comment about illegals was well intentioned

We only give credit for RESULTS and sound ideas in Conservativeville, Rand:

ABSOLUTELY NO POINTS FOR “INTENTIONS”!

As the saying goes:

“The road to Hell is paved with ‘Good Intentions’!”

…and the continuing Obamacare debacle is an instructive case in point. The results of the Obamacrats’ non-enforcement policy on illegal immigration is proving to be yet another monstrous budget-busting, illegal invasion-encouraging disaster.

landlines on April 12, 2014 at 4:33 PM