Next up on the firing line: Condi Rice at Dropbox?

posted at 2:41 pm on April 11, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier this week, the cloud-enabled file storage provider Dropbox named Condoleezza Rice to its board of directors. Normally, these kinds of appointments don’t merit much attention — unless it offers an opportunity for the outrage industry. In this case, as with the outrage over Brendan Eich’s short-lived promotion at Mozilla, the politics of the new hire has created a demand for a reversal of the decision:

The file-sharing startup Wednesday added former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as a director to “help us expand our global footprint.”

Quickly, an Internet protest sprang up to encourage Dropbox users to boycott the service unless the San Francisco startup forces her off its board. A new website, “Drop Dropbox,” said Rice’s role in helping set U.S. policies in Iraq, and in promoting U.S. intelligence agencies’’ surveillance policies, made her a poor fit for a startup that “we are trusting with our most important business and personal data.”

Dropbox declined to comment Thursday. A spokeswoman for Rice, now a professor at Stanford University, didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

A post about the Dropbox petition on Hacker News, a popular website for Valley tech types, had about 900 comments as of 4 p.m. PT Thursday. Topsy, which tracks keywords used on social-media services, said there were nearly 3,000 Twitter posts in the past day using the “DropDropbox” hashtag – about as many mentions on Twitter as Crimea.

Many of the posts were critical of Dropbox’s alliance with Rice, but others said the protesters were unfairly bullying people who support Rice or share her political views.

Truth Revolt’s Jeff Dunetz notes that the thought police have been active as of late, even apart from Mozilla:

The leftist thought police have been very active lately, for example, efforts by Google and others to reach out to conservatives also have provoked criticism. Last year some Silicon Valley backers of FWD.us, an organization established by Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and other tech executives to push for immigration overhaul, pulled out of the group in part over FWD.us’s support of conservative politicians. And of course, there is the ever-expanding effort to ban any objections to the global warming theory.

True, and Jeff’s closer to the mark than the Mozilla analogy. This is a little different than both, and the Rice issue at Dropbox is both more substantial and less significant than Mozilla or the examples Jeff cites.

First, Brendan Eich was not a politician or a former political appointee. Until his one donation to Proposition 8 was exposed, Eich didn’t operate as a political activist at all, and certainly not in connection to his work at Mozilla. Moreover, Eich pledged to respect diversity at Mozilla and no one has ever produced any evidence that he acted in any other way during his long tenure at the firm as CTO. The witch hunt against Eich was truly a thought-police action. When companies go out of their way to get into politics, such as with FWD.us, they had better be prepared to deal with the rebuttals and anger that their actions might create with customers — as Mozilla itself learned this month.

The situation with Rice is different in several ways. For one, Rice won’t have any executive authority on her own as a board member, although she can certainly influence Dropbox’s strategies. Furthermore, Rice got invited onto the board due to her notoriety that mainly stems from her public career in politics, including her support of very controversial policies regarding the Iraq war, interrogation, and the PATRIOT Act issues that eventually came into play with the NSA scandal from last year. That certainly relates to the Internet industry in which Rice will work as a Dropbox board member in a much more direct way than Zuckerberg’s immigration-reform activism did at Facebook, and certainly more than Eich’s six-year-old contribution did at Mozilla.

That doesn’t mean that Rice should get hounded out of the position Dropbox offered her, of course. It’s possible to disagree on these points and still be effective as a board member, and perhaps it even helps in dealing with the diverse opinions that Dropbox customers (I am one myself) have on these subjects. But the anger over her selection is a lot more rational than what we saw at Mozilla, and Dropbox should have anticipated it when they made Rice the offer. Let’s hope they stand firm for diversity of thought rather than cave to momentary outrage.

Update: There is a pushback against the pushback — link is here, for those interested.


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We are approaching a tipping point.

I wonder what issue will drive people to realize.

jake-the-goose on April 11, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Too bad Condi can’t run with Ayan Hirsi Ali.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Yes, Condi Rice, I remember her.

Condi Rice’s “foreign policy philosophy” is to see the whole world through the prism of her childhood through her adolescence in Jim Crow Birmingham. That’s about it. She is a classic case of arrested development. She sees muslims as the blacks of the world and hence is totally deaf, dumb and blind to islam. She is one of the main influences in getting thousands of American troops dead or missing limbs in Iraq and Afcrapistan for nothing even remotely worth the price.

Condi Rice: “I believe that there could be no greater legacy for America than to help to bring into being a Palestinian (terror) state for a people who have suffered too long, who have been humiliated (by the nasty Jews and for no reason at all) too long, who have not reached their potential for too long, and who have so much to give to the international community and to all of us (Give what? More suicide bomber kids? The extermination of Israel?).”

And no greater legacy for America? This woman, who pressured Israel into holding elections in Gaza that gave Hamas power, is either very stupid or a very dangerous psycho.

Condi Rice”: “I know what it is like to hear to that you cannot go on a road or through a checkpoint because you are Palestinian. I understand the feeling of humiliation and powerlessness.”

She acts like she doesn’t even know why the checkpoints are there … … or doesn’t care. This woman was and is a disaster.

It was the IDIOT BIRD BRAIN CLUELESS CONDI WHO WAS THE BIG PUSHER OF the TOTALLY INSANE idea of giving the Gaza Strip to the terrorists!!!! All in the name of peace.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Furthermore, Rice got invited onto the board due to her notoriety that mainly stems from her public career in politics,

Could have been because of her stint as provost of Stanford. Which is in California, where a lot of these tech companies are. Maybe she had made some contacts back in the day?

The intolerant, illiberal fascist left rears its ugly head once again.

rbj on April 11, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Libs can’t stand a black woman in this position.

The Notorious G.O.P on April 11, 2014 at 2:49 PM

… and Condi isn’t even a conservative. She was one of the main powers behind Bush’s pathetic veering leftwards in his ridiculous and disastrous second term. Condi also endorsed Barky, while she was in the Bush administration. Condi is a POS.

As to DropBox … who cares?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2014 at 2:50 PM

So is it because she is a woman of that she is 50% more black than Obama?

mouell on April 11, 2014 at 2:50 PM

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Hear, hear!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Hey Barry, what am I thinking?

Sven on April 11, 2014 at 2:56 PM

And yet the media won’t accuse those that are protesting/boycotting of being racist. Gee, I wonder why.

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 11, 2014 at 2:56 PM

As long as Condi ain’t writing Dropbox code in C, leave her alone.

corona79 on April 11, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Why do leftists hate Women of Color??

ToddPA on April 11, 2014 at 2:56 PM

According to the Businessweek article about Dropbox:

The former secretary of state’s consulting firm, RiceHadleyGates, has been advising the startup on management issues for the last year.

As for Twitter,

there were nearly 3,000 Twitter posts in the past day using the “DropDropbox” hashtag

I looked at it last night. They are all just retweeting the same tweet! None of them actually have informed, individual thoughts on the matter.

CanadianMelB on April 11, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Condoleezza Rice at the ATFP (American Task Force on Palestine] Inaugural Gala, and Palestine is what Muslims call all of Israel

“I know that sometimes a Palestinian state living side by side in peace with Israel must seem like a very distant dream. But I know too, as a student of international history, that there are so many things that once seemed impossible that, after they happened, simply seemed inevitable. I’ve read over the last summer the biographies of America’s Founding Fathers. By all rights, America, the United States of America, should never have come into being. We should never have survived our civil war. I should never have grown up in segregated Birmingham, Alabama to become the Secretary of State of the United States of America.”

This woman is so morally obscene that she equates the leaders of the so-called “Palestinians” to America’s Founding Fathers and yet again sees everything through the prism of her own being black rather than being an American.

If this woman is not a case of mentally arrested development, I do not know what on earth it would take.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Will these same people be boycotting the new college football playoffs next year? Condi is on the board of that too.

Captain Kirock on April 11, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Isn’t Condi a member of Augusta Country Club?

Augusta should move her on to the board now and have her give away the Masters trophy this year.

Beyond that, I hope company’s line up right and left to get her on their boards, starting with Duck Dynasty, Chick-fil-A, and any other firm that knows something about persecution.

BuckeyeSam on April 11, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Ah yes, the racist sexists on the left can’t stand the idea of a strong black woman holding a position of prestige on the corporate board of a major American company. They’re the same people as their daddy’s and granddaddy’s before them who wore the grey and then after that the white pointy hats.

Racist, sexist, intolerant pigs. All of them.

Texas Zombie on April 11, 2014 at 2:59 PM

I am sorry but why are we not hearing the words “dog whistle”? I mean if any criticism of Pres. Obama is just disguided racism, why can the same not be true here?

Isn’t this all just an excuse by liberal racist mysoginist fascists to prevent women of colour from attaining positions of power?

Come at them full bore!!!

Perhaps Atty. Gen. Holder will come to her defence…”Did you hear how they are treating our former Secretary of State…?”

Blaise on April 11, 2014 at 2:59 PM

OK, I know this doesn’t necessarily apply to the Rice situation, but here is what needs to happen in general.

Employers need to understand, one’s political leanings, are PROTECTED under the First Amendment. They are the same as their religious beliefs, or anything else that qualifies under Free Speech.

If an employer fires someone, or creates a hostile work environment for them because of these factors (whether the employee is Conservative, Liberal, or whatever), they should be SUED, and should have to pay for that hostility.

People need to start slapping civil suits on the companies that do this.

Meople on April 11, 2014 at 3:00 PM

If an employer fires someone, or creates a hostile work environment for them because of these factors (whether the employee is Conservative, Liberal, or whatever), they should be SUED, and should have to pay for that hostility.

People need to start slapping civil suits on the companies that do this.

Meople on April 11, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Actually, business owners should be free to hire and fire whomever they want, for whatever reason they want. If someone thinks he’s being “discriminated against” by some business then he can go and start up a competitor. This idea that society has the right to tell a business owner who it should employ and for what reasons is ridiculous and pathetic. It’s not your business. Butt out and go start your own.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2014 at 3:03 PM

I looked at it last night. They are all just retweeting the same tweet! None of them actually have informed, individual thoughts on the matter.

CanadianMelB on April 11, 2014 at 2:57 PM

If you had a hashtag called #BanDihydrogenMonoxide you’d have millions of Twidiots re-tweeting it.

HumpBot Salvation on April 11, 2014 at 3:04 PM

I’ll wait to hear Rachel Jeantel’s thoughts on tihs..

ToddPA on April 11, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Too bad Condi can’t run with Ayan Hirsi Ali.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM

That would be some combination as I can not think of any two people who see Islam is such a vastly different manner.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Not a big deal. It’s not like she’s a real woman or a real african american.

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HumpBot Salvation on April 11, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Whoa, obviously some on this forum have problems with reading comprehension, this post is about Rice being on the board of Dropbox and not about her foreign policy accomplishments (or lack of them thereof).So instead of copying and pasting your own past rants on Rice’s past positions, you might just try to limit your comments to the particular topic outlined in the title of the post. Bottom line being that Dropbox is a private organization and they can put whoever they want on their board. Well, at least in theory, until the fascists on the left say otherwise.

jimver on April 11, 2014 at 3:05 PM

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM

I think this misses the point. Whatever you may think of Rice, if we judge these “he/she has the wrong politics, he/she can’t keep his job” campaigns by the left on our own personal views of the employee in question, we cede territory to the aggressors.

We have to object on principle, not pick and choose.

And, down the line, the job in question might be mine or yours. I am a conservative working in an extremely liberal field, so that worries me. I already keep my mouth shut at work, but I do post on blogs under pseudonyms, and someone savvy might be able to figure it out.

BTW I met a older gentleman a few days ago who escaped Soviet Russia. He said that in the workplace, people would rat each other out, and if your views were not “ideologically mature,” you faced “workplace consequences” – either you lost your job entirely or you were promoted to menial labor or the equivalent.

This is where the left is headed. It is straight out of the communist playbook. We have to resist even when we are not personally fans of the victim in question.

Missy on April 11, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Too bad Condi can’t run with Ayan Hirsi Ali.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM

This would be similar to having Kieth Ellison run with Allen West.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:06 PM

It’s possible to disagree on these points and still be effective as a board member, and perhaps it even helps in dealing with the diverse opinions that Dropbox customers (I am one myself) have on these subjects.

There’s no question Rice can help Dropbox make inroads into government agencies, defense, and the defense industry at large. Big, enterprise accounts.
On the other hand, Dropbox has stated that overseas growth is one of its major goals going forward. American cloud and data services companies are citing privacy issues raised by foreign companies and the challenges of closing deals with potential clients outside the US given the level of mistrust. How does having a board member who authorized the NSA to spy on the UN Security Council instill any confidence whatsoever in foreign customers?

Not even looking at the politics, her appointment to the board is bizarre.

bayam on April 11, 2014 at 3:06 PM

sorry, DEmoted to manual labor.

Google “ideological maturity” and you’ll get the picture.

Missy on April 11, 2014 at 3:07 PM

oddly enough I dropped droppedbox sometime back for actual legitimate (like data deduplication issues) reasons, installed my own owncloud server and never looked back.
will be interesting to see what doppedbox does though.

dmacleo on April 11, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Vordaj & Primordial, I hate to interrupt your TruCon Two Minute Hate of Condi, but let me remind you of one old hoary mantra:

When they came for the Communists; I was not a Communist….
When they came for the Trade Unionists; I was not a Trade Unionist…
Came for the Jews; I was not a Jew…
When they came for me…..

I couldn’t care less if this were Rahm Emmanuel…& you might want to rethink your positions.

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:07 PM

See, I don’t see what the problem is. In the early 20th century, we really really didn’t like commies either. So weren’t we write to deprive them of employment, because we didn’t think it was a good thing for America.

Speech being a communal right and all….

Axeman on April 11, 2014 at 3:08 PM

If you had a hashtag called #BanDihydrogenMonoxide you’d have millions of Twidiots re-tweeting it.

HumpBot Salvation on April 11, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Twitter is the ultimate vehicle of groupthink idiocy.

jimver on April 11, 2014 at 3:08 PM

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Yeah, a blogger who Googles and cheery picks calls Condi an “IDIOT BIRD BRAIN”…

It makes me laugh the length you fools try to make yourself important.

Now it is running late and your shift at McDonald’s is about to start, hurry along.

right2bright on April 11, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Don’t you mouf’ breath’n, sister luv’n inbred cretins realize just how dangerous dihydrogenmonoxide?!?! It kills THOUSANDS of people every year….

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Actually, business owners should be free to hire and fire whomever they want, for whatever reason they want. If someone thinks he’s being “discriminated against” by some business then he can go and start up a competitor. This idea that society has the right to tell a business owner who it should employ and for what reasons is ridiculous and pathetic. It’s not your business. Butt out and go start your own.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2014 at 3:03 PM

I agree within reason. But tell me, how is firing someone or creating a hostile work environment for them, for their Constitutionally protected right of Free Speech, NOT discrimination?

Meople on April 11, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Shoving a cock into an @ss does not procreate no matter how often you do it.
Let me know when the first two guys insemination of their feces creates new life.
You asking what my IQ is? When I was tested I capped the test and was given the highest possible that it could ascertain. I think my I.Q. is satisfactory.
astonerii on April 10, 2014 at 9:31 PM

John the Libertarian on April 11, 2014 at 3:11 PM

I’ll wait to hear Rachel Jeantel’s thoughts on tihs..

ToddPA on April 11, 2014 at 3:04 PM

verbalduece will be along momentarily to claim we all have our tinfoil hats on.

HumpBot Salvation on April 11, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Speech being a communal right and all….

Axeman on April 11, 2014 at 3:08 PM

What precisely is a communal right?

More communistspeak.

Missy on April 11, 2014 at 3:11 PM

I think this misses the point. Whatever you may think of Rice, if we judge these “he/she has the wrong politics, he/she can’t keep his job” campaigns by the left on our own personal views of the employee in question, we cede territory to the aggressors.

We have to object on principle, not pick and choose.

Missy on April 11, 2014 at 3:05 PM

I have no idea what you are talking about other than you are trying to give some kind of sermon.

Condi Rice’s main principles are to see the whole world through the prism of her childhood in Birmingham and to think that Muslim is the new black, and she is left.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:12 PM

you might want to rethink your positions.

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:07 PM

“rethink”? Ha, they didn’t think the first time, how are they going to do it now?

You give them too much credit, Googling a hate site, and copying and pasting is not “thinking”.

right2bright on April 11, 2014 at 3:12 PM

This is where the left is headed. It is straight out of the communist playbook. We have to resist even when we are not personally fans of the victim in question.

Missy on April 11, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Keep dreaming yourself a victim. That playbook was already brought into this country bu=y a guy named McCarthy. Conservatives have called for plenty of boycotts in the past, not even the Girl Scouts have been immune to conservacotting.

bayam on April 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Start the opposite boycott, if Rice is dropped we drop dropbox.

Sven on April 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Who cares Vordaj??? Are you that blinded b ideology/hate? Let the wolves have Condi? & again, who will stand for YOU? & after this great show of sympathy why would they, stand for you?

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:14 PM

That would be some combination as I can not think of any two people who see Islam is such a vastly different manner.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Indeed. Too bad Condi can’t aim for what Ali fights.

Schadenfreude on April 11, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Not even looking at the politics, her appointment to the board is bizarre.

bayam on April 11, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Why is it bizarre?

Because she’s black? Racist.

sentinelrules on April 11, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Shoving a cock into an @ss does not procreate no matter how often you do it.
Let me know when the first two guys insemination of their feces creates new life.
You asking what my IQ is? When I was tested I capped the test and was given the highest possible that it could ascertain. I think my I.Q. is satisfactory.

astonerii on April 10, 2014 at 9:31 PM

I for one am very impressed. You must be John Kerry. Or maybe even Barack Obama.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Condi Rice’s main principles are to see the whole world through the prism of her childhood in Birmingham and to think that Muslim is the new black, and she is left.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:12 PM

So? Even if true, what does that have to do with Dropbox’s freedom to choose their board of directors?

Missy on April 11, 2014 at 3:15 PM

God bless Condi Rice.

GOPRanknFile on April 11, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Keep dreaming yourself a victim. That playbook was already brought into this country bu=y a guy named McCarthy. Conservatives have called for plenty of boycotts in the past, not even the Girl Scouts have been immune to conservacotting.

bayam on April 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Conservative boycotts are based on the stated policies of the company or organization. They are not calls for individual heads to roll due to the individual’s private politics.

And as even a lofo like you must know, communism in this country well predated McCarthy’s Congressional activities fighting it. By definition, almost.

Missy on April 11, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Who cares Vordaj??? Are you that blinded b ideology/hate? Let the wolves have Condi? & again, who will stand for YOU? & after this great show of sympathy why would they, stand for you?

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:14 PM

I don’t much care for Islam, that’s true, and I freely confess such. And I neither want nor need either you or Condi “Let the Wolves have Israel” Rice standing with me. My preference would be standing far from me.

BTW, don’t you think “wolves have Condi” is just a bit Drama Queen?

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:20 PM

It’s possible to disagree on these points and still be effective as a board member, and perhaps it even helps in dealing with the diverse opinions that Dropbox customers (I am one myself) have on these subjects.

There’s no question Rice can help Dropbox make inroads into government agencies, defense, and the defense industry at large. Big, enterprise accounts.
On the other hand, Dropbox has stated that overseas growth is one of its major goals going forward. American cloud and data services companies are citing privacy issues raised by foreign companies and the challenges of closing deals with potential clients outside the US given the level of mistrust. How does having a board member who authorized the NSA to spy on the UN Security Council instill any confidence whatsoever in foreign customers?

Not even looking at the politics, her appointment to the board is bizarre.

bayam on April 11, 2014 at 3:06 PM

this whole administration authorized the exact same thing, the NSA scandal was on this president’s watch, this president gave more orders to kill people in drones attacks than the previous one. So, you seriously want to tell me that if, say, Obama gets nominated to be the next UN Secretary you and your hysterical fascist lefty brethren are going to start a similar campaign to prevent his nomination (or Jarret’s, or the other Rice’s, or whoever else on his admin) because of the reasons enumerated above. Or, say if any of the current Obama admin members who were involved in similar decision making (NSA spying, drone war, etc) get positions on different boards of private companies in the futures, who have a base of domestic and foreign customers, would you also find their nomination on said boards bizarre and start a hysterical twitter hashtag advocating for their ousting…yeah, rrrright….

jimver on April 11, 2014 at 3:20 PM

God Allah bless Condi Rice.

GOPRanknFile on April 11, 2014 at 3:16 PM

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:22 PM

But tell me, how is firing someone or creating a hostile work environment for them, for their Constitutionally protected right of Free Speech, NOT discrimination?

Meople on April 11, 2014 at 3:11 PM

The Constitution doesn’t guarantee you employment with anyone. It doesn’t give you the right to say anything you want without any repercussions. It doesn’t constrain my reactions to your speech.

The 1st amendment has nothing to do with any of this. The Constitution does have some prescriptions involving “takings” (i.e. the government assuming some sort of ownership over an asset without fairly compensating the owner for it), it also has some wording regarding freedom of association (right next to the misapplied “free speech” part) and the foundation of our nation is, itself, private property rights (from whence all individual liberty flows and without which no individual liberty could exist).

The 1st amendment – as regards speech – has nothing to do with any of this. The 1st amendment – as regards free association – does.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Yeah, a blogger who Googles and cheery picks calls Condi an “IDIOT BIRD BRAIN”…

It makes me laugh the length you fools try to make yourself important.

Now it is running late and your shift at McDonald’s is about to start, hurry along.

right2bright on April 11, 2014 at 3:10 PM

You have all the rhetorical skills of a 2 year old.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:25 PM

The 1st amendment – as regards speech – has nothing to do with any of this. The 1st amendment – as regards free association – does.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Perfect. So, as per the First Amendment, if you as an employer discriminate against someone for their protected association, you should be sued for that.

Meople on April 11, 2014 at 3:26 PM

blah … blah … blah

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:22 PM

corona79 on April 11, 2014 at 3:27 PM

No VordajI don’t think it a Drama Queen term…I have yet to hear you say anything approaching, “Though I profoundly disagree with her politics & policies; demanding someone be fired from a job far removed from those policies is intolerable.”

Instead I hear you & Primordial ranting about her & Islam… that’s not the issue, now.

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:27 PM

I just sent this their way…

Hello,

Your recent acceptance of Condoleeza Rice has come to my attention. Apparently, some individuals are unhappy with your choice, but I am writing to tell you that I FULLY SUPPORT YOU IN YOUR DECISION. Please do not allow a group of Twitter malcontents to cause you to make a rash decision.

bmmg39 on April 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Perfect. So, as per the First Amendment, if you as an employer discriminate against someone for their protected association, you should be sued for that.

Meople on April 11, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Uh … no. Where do you come up with this stuff?

You really seem to have no respect for the concept of private property rights. Again … as with speech, you can associate with whomever you want, and your employer can fire you because of it, if he wants. The 1st amendment doesn’t guarantee you employment with Joe Schmoe’s company. Why do you keep pushing this silliness?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Instead I hear you & Primordial ranting about her & Islam… that’s not the issue, now.

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:27 PM

It actually is, to folks with certain obsessions/fixations. I don’t think they can help it.

jimver on April 11, 2014 at 3:30 PM

I say let Condi Rice’s wonderful Palestinians, and other muslims, defend her as they do owe her and big time.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Don’t you mouf’ breath’n, sister luv’n inbred cretins realize just how dangerous dihydrogenmonoxide?!?! It kills THOUSANDS of people every year….

The gaseous form of Dihydrogen Monoxide is considered one of the biggest contributors to Global Warming Climate Change, and helped to make Katrina and Sandy cause so much damage.

Do not listen to the shills for Big DHMO who claim it has many beneficial effects as well.

The Monster on April 11, 2014 at 3:32 PM

corona79 on April 11, 2014 at 3:27 PM

I would say you have the rhetorical skills of a 2 year old but you are about 2 3/4 years behind even that.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:32 PM

This isn’t a First Amendment issue, as much as I think of Primordial as a potato head, s/he is right… the First concerns GOVERNMENT ACTIONS & PRIOR RESTRAINT ON SPEECH…. there’s NO government action here.

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM

demanding someone be fired from a job far removed from those policies is intolerable.”

Why is that? What is “intolerable” about a bunch of morons demanding that someone be fired? It might be intolerable if the company gives in and fires the person (not Condi, but someone who is actually conservative in some way, shape, or form).

I don’t think you really understand the general issue, here, at all.

Instead I hear you & Primordial ranting about her & Islam… that’s not the issue, now.

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:27 PM

I didn’t say anything about Condi’s idiocy with respect to islam. I talked about her general leftiness and stupidity. Not big on reading comprehension, are you?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Well there you go, she’s not only soft on Islam but a Lefty…& again who cares?

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Frankly I feel about as much like coming to Condi “Wonderful Palestinians” Rice’s defense right now as I do to coming to Jeb “It’s all love” Bush’s defense, only even less so. Condi slept with the Palestinians, so let them pick up that mantel.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:37 PM

The situation with Rice is different in several ways.

No, it isn’t. Only the excuse for the attack is different.

(We really gotta set up a “Get AP Outta NYC” fund – chip in to move the fella to the heartland.)

whatcat on April 11, 2014 at 3:37 PM

I have no idea what you are talking about

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Of course you don’t. Why would you, when it doesn’t fit your narrative?

ss396 on April 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Well tee how the Lift & Right Socialists did, “it.”. Some won’t speak up for others being oppressed, because they don’t toe “our” line…& the authoritarians just veer from side-to-side collecting scalps.

I can only hope Vordaj & Primordial ill are amongst the next heads taken….

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM

I didn’t say anything about Condi’s idiocy with respect to islam. I talked about her general leftiness and stupidity. Not big on reading comprehension, are you?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM

And how is this relevant to the topic discussed here? It’s not ‘her general leftiness and stupidity’ that had the lefties gone hysterical (alas, again) and campaigning for her ousting from Dropbox’ board, is it now…pretty sure it wasn’t Eich’s ‘general leftiness and stupidity’ that got him the same treatment from the same hysterical bunch…

jimver on April 11, 2014 at 3:46 PM

I have no idea what you are talking about

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Of course you don’t. Why would you, when it doesn’t fit your narrative?

ss396 on April 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Funny thing is VorDaj says she’s Muslim-lover while the left says she committed war crimes against Muslims. Bizarre stuff there.

I’m not fond of all her politics, but I think Dropbox is lucky to have her. I hope they/she doesn’t cave in to the leftist witchhunt.

whatcat on April 11, 2014 at 3:48 PM

OK, I know this doesn’t necessarily apply to the Rice situation, but here is what needs to happen in general.

Employers need to understand, one’s political leanings, are PROTECTED under the First Amendment. They are the same as their religious beliefs, or anything else that qualifies under Free Speech.

If an employer fires someone, or creates a hostile work environment for them because of these factors (whether the employee is Conservative, Liberal, or whatever), they should be SUED, and should have to pay for that hostility.

People need to start slapping civil suits on the companies that do this.

Meople on April 11, 2014 at 3:00 PM

The first amendment only deals with government action. Employees’ political leanings and speech may be protected under some state laws (and some corporations’ codes of conducts), but in general, employers can fire employees with “inappropriate” political beliefs: http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/discrimination-employment.aspx.

jim56 on April 11, 2014 at 3:53 PM

whatcat on April 11, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Her own words speak to that. Just pretend what she said was said by CAIR or Kieth Ellison. I think it’s safe to say you would be in opposition, so why not judge by words said, instead of who said them?

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Well tee how the Lift & Right Socialists did, “it.”. Some won’t speak up for others being oppressed, because they don’t toe “our” line…& the authoritarians just veer from side-to-side collecting scalps.

JFKY on April 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Nailed it.

jimver on April 11, 2014 at 3:59 PM

And if those here who are defending Condi “Wonderful Palestinians” Rice can’t do a much better job of it than they have been doing, she needs another lawyer.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Her own words speak to that.
VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 3:59 PM

As I sez, you’ll have to tell the leftwing scalptakers about it.
(“I hate her cause she’s Muslim-luver!” “I hate her cause she’s a Muslim-h8tr!”)
Hilarious stuff.

whatcat on April 11, 2014 at 4:05 PM

I’m not fond of all her politics, but I think Dropbox is lucky to have her. I hope they/she doesn’t cave in to the leftist witchhunt.

whatcat on April 11, 2014 at 3:48 PM

I don’t think they will cave, not this time. Besides, Condi is generally liked among the Silicon Valley types, could be her connection to Stanford University, dunno, but this is not Mozila 2.0.

jimver on April 11, 2014 at 4:05 PM

It was the IDIOT BIRD BRAIN CLUELESS CONDI WHO WAS THE BIG PUSHER OF the TOTALLY INSANE idea of giving the Gaza Strip to the terrorists!!!! All in the name of peace.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Hear, hear!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 11, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Okay VorDaj. Somebody paid attention to you. You can go back to your coloring books now.

Happy Nomad on April 11, 2014 at 4:07 PM

What precisely is a communal right?

More communistspeak.

Missy on April 11, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Ask Stephen Breyer about that. He’s the one who wrote the 4-vote minority opinion, signed on by the other 3 liberal justices on the McCutcheon case.

That the freedom of speech is supposed to serve the community. One less conservative judge and the libs would be saying “It’s in the Constitution” about now.

Axeman on April 11, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Keep dreaming yourself a victim. That playbook was already brought into this country bu=y a guy named McCarthy. Conservatives have called for plenty of boycotts in the past, not even the Girl Scouts have been immune to conservacotting.

bayam on April 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM

No it wasn’t my historically-ignorant friend. McCarthy is preceded by more than a decade by New Deal Democrats in the House Un-american Activities Committee. They are the ones who interviewed Hollywood.

Whatever you think of McCarthy, his entire crusade fell under Congressional, Senatorial oversight of the State Department. “Commies in the State Department” was his thing.

Quit propagating crap.

Axeman on April 11, 2014 at 4:16 PM

There’s no question Rice can help Dropbox make inroads into government agencies, defense, and the defense industry at large. Big, enterprise accounts.
On the other hand, Dropbox has stated that overseas growth is one of its major goals going forward. American cloud and data services companies are citing privacy issues raised by foreign companies and the challenges of closing deals with potential clients outside the US given the level of mistrust. How does having a board member who authorized the NSA to spy on the UN Security Council instill any confidence whatsoever in foreign customers?

Not even looking at the politics, her appointment to the board is bizarre.

bayam on April 11, 2014 at 3:06 PM

this whole administration authorized the exact same thing, the NSA scandal was on this president’s watch, this president gave more orders to kill people in drones attacks than the previous one. So, you seriously want to tell me that if, say, Obama gets nominated to be the next UN Secretary you and your hysterical fascist lefty brethren are going to start a similar campaign to prevent his nomination (or Jarret’s, or the other Rice’s, or whoever else on his admin) because of the reasons enumerated above. Or, say if any of the current Obama admin members who were involved in similar decision making (NSA spying, drone war, etc) get positions on different boards of private companies in the futures, who have a base of domestic and foreign customers, would you also find their nomination on said boards bizarre and start a hysterical twitter hashtag advocating for their ousting…yeah, rrrright….

jimver on April 11, 2014 at 3:20 PM

It’s different when Barry does it, because you have to know that he just cares about you so much, and that makes it different.

slickwillie2001 on April 11, 2014 at 4:25 PM

And if those here who are defending Condi “Wonderful Palestinians” Rice can’t do a much better job of it than they have been doing, she needs another lawyer.

VorDaj on April 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Posters like you, come on board and spread your swill…every viable conservative leader ends up being skewered by you fools.

Some of the others fall for your ploy, most of us don’t…it get’s tiresome to read you foolish rants.

She isn’t in politics, she is on a board of a private company, yet you are obsessed with her, knowing way too much, and spending an unusual amount of time Googling her.

We see that with Palin haters, Christy haters, Rand haters, Perry haters, the list is endless.

And we get it…one by one you guys pick out some small fact and exploit it ad-nauseam.

How do I know? Calling her an “idiot” is your tell…

right2bright on April 11, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Keep dreaming yourself a victim. That playbook was already brought into this country bu=y a guy named McCarthy. Conservatives have called for plenty of boycotts in the past, not even the Girl Scouts have been immune to conservacotting.

bayam on April 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Pretty sure the Senate investigations committee was around before McCarthy. Also, we were in the middle of a Cold War with the Soviets, and what the HUAC and the corresponding Senate committee were very interested in was espionage, and possible overthrow of the government both coordinated with Moscow through KGB agents and American citizens.

Somehow I think that if McCarthy, et al, were investigating Nazis, the John Birch Society, the Klan etc., you would have no problems with their actions nor their rhetoric.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 11, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Time for freedom loving Americans to step up to the plate and pop for a paid subscription to Dropbox. Drop the clowns at #dropdropbox.

microfiction on April 11, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Before she became Secretary of State, Condi Rice majored in Soviet Studies at Stanford. If she was still Secretary of State during the past six years instead of the “reset button” clowns Killary and Kerry, Komrade Vlad probably would have stayed out of Ukraine.

Condi Rice could have easily seen Putin’s intentions years in advance, and advised the President she served to counteract him (for example, the missile defenses President Bush planned for Poland).

Steve Z on April 11, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Axeman on April 11, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Thanks for the info – I didn’t know that. Scary stuff.

Missy on April 11, 2014 at 5:35 PM

If she was still Secretary of State during the past six years instead of the “reset button” clowns Killary and Kerry, Komrade Vlad probably would have stayed out of Ukraine.

You mean the same way they stayed out of Georgia?

Condi Rice could have easily seen Putin’s intentions years in advance, and advised the President she served to counteract him (for example, the missile defenses President Bush planned for Poland).

Steve Z on April 11, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Condoleezza Rice didn’t see Georgia years in advance, and she didn’t bother to alert anyone about the Ukrainian invasion either.

She didn’t seem to see the Hamas victory in Gaza either.

sharrukin on April 11, 2014 at 5:37 PM

We are approaching a tipping point.

I wonder what issue will drive people to realize.

jake-the-goose

I’m sorry, but you are wrong.

The fact this groups believe they have the power to affect these outcomes now indicates that we’re past the tipping point. Every political, civil, bureaucratic, business, donation, eyebrow-raising, thought inducing, action that even marginally raise the red flag for these thought police thugs will contested from here on out. The time to have stood up to them came and passed without a whisper.

They, rightly, believe they can marginalize anyone anytime they want to. We gave them the power when we didn’t object the first time.

E9RET on April 11, 2014 at 5:44 PM

But the anger over her selection is a lot more rational

Rice got invited onto the board due to her notoriety

including her support of very controversial policies regarding the Iraq war, interrogation, and the PATRIOT Act issues that eventually came into play with the NSA scandal from last year.

Yeah. ed’s a conservative. Right.

peacenprosperity on April 11, 2014 at 5:45 PM

The left never gives an inch and always tries to take a mile. Not too many have heard of dropbox or knows what it’s about. This is their way of kick starting the next fad.

Kissmygrits on April 11, 2014 at 5:47 PM

What still amazes me is that the hypocrisy is totally ignored. Were she a Democrat, the cries of racism and sexism would ring throughout the land. Here is a woman with an incredible resume who rose from the still very racist south to national prominence with more firsts to her name than the likes of Jesse Jackson will ever see and because she is a Republican (moderate no less)the liberal left screams for her head.

pgrossjr on April 11, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Funny thing about that drop dropbox website – nowhere on their home page is there a “contact us” button, and no name or organization that’s taking responsibility for the site.

RMCS_USN on April 11, 2014 at 6:27 PM

. Conservatives have called for plenty of boycotts in the past, not even the Girl Scouts have been immune to conservacotting.

brayam on April 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM

lol, you certainly don’t want to go down that road.

But since your feeble brain cells led you in that direction at the fork, please us why conservative boycotts are “bad”, and why liberal boycotts are “good”.

Del Dolemonte on April 11, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Funny thing about that drop dropbox website – nowhere on their home page is there a “contact us” button, and no name or organization that’s taking responsibility for the site.
RMCS_USN on April 11, 2014 at 6:27 PM

https://www.dropbox.com/news/company-info

https://www.dropbox.com/jobs/sf

whatcat on April 11, 2014 at 7:26 PM

This has absolutely nothing to do with Condoleeza Rice’s policy positions while she was part of the Bush administration. Absolutely nothing. How do I know? Because if it did, these people calling for her to be dropped would be protesting the heck out of the people currently in office, people who are, quite possibly, the greatest threat to civil liberties that America has ever known. But they’re not. They’ll throw a fit about Rice while sporting Obama bumper stickers and fantasizing about keeping the violators of the freedoms she supposedly endangered/endangers in office forever.

This has everything to do with hating conservatives/Republicans/anything and anyone ever remotely identified as conservative or Republican. These people are drunk on their success with bullying Mozilla, and they now think they can and should repeat the attack with anyone else they feel is deserving of their hate. We should all care about this because if they’ll try to take out people we consider moderates or “not one of us,” they’ll definitely try to take out people who are actually conservative.

And this has nothing to do with the First Amendment, Title VII, or the right of an employer to fire whomever at will. We left those quaint concepts behind long ago in this culture war, apparently. What’s happening here is that an employer can’t HIRE someone he wants to hire without the raging, hate-filled bullies of the Left harassing the employer and the wanted employee until they submit to whatever Leftist whims are in play.

This should be terrifying to all sane people. If you have any history volunteering for, donating to, working for, etc., any organization or cause the Left deems evil and you are not self-employed (or employed by a company or organization that has nothing to lose in a PR battle), you really have to wonder if your livelihood, privacy, and future employment prospects may all, at some point, be in jeopardy.

butterflies and puppies on April 11, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Connecting the dots …

BTW I met a older gentleman a few days ago who escaped Soviet Russia. He said that in the workplace, people would rat each other out, and if your views were not “ideologically mature,” you faced “workplace consequences” – either you lost your job entirely or you were promoted demoted to menial labor or the equivalent.

This is where the left is headed. It is straight out of the communist playbook. We have to resist even when we are not personally fans of the victim in question.

Missy on April 11, 2014 at 3:05 PM

The fact this groups believe they have the power to affect these outcomes now indicates that we’re past the tipping point. Every political, civil, bureaucratic, business, donation, eyebrow-raising, thought inducing, action that even marginally raise the red flag for these thought police thugs will contested from here on out. The time to have stood up to them came and passed without a whisper.

They, rightly, believe they can marginalize anyone anytime they want to. We gave them the power when we didn’t object the first time.

E9RET on April 11, 2014 at 5:44 PM

People have been objecting — starting in the 1950s, in fact.
That has been obscured by revisionist histories, Hollywood fantasies, journalistic enablers, and academic fascists for decades, and now with renewed vigor and success.
If it weren’t for the Interwebz, we would not even know there were two sides to some of these stories.

Conservatives have called for plenty of boycotts in the past, not even the Girl Scouts have been immune to conservacotting.

bayam on April 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM

please us why conservative boycotts are “bad”, and why liberal boycotts are “good”.

Del Dolemonte on April 11, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Bayam is trying to suggest that Conservatives are just as hypocritical as Leftists are, but this is just another corollary of the “Ben Franklin Maxim of Political Action” (as quoted in the play “1776″):
“A rebellion (boycott) is always legal (acceptable) in the first person — our boycott; it is only in the third person — their boycott — that it is unacceptable.”

It’s called “fighting fire with fire” and is part of that whole First Amendment thingy. Besides, boycotts are the only game in town, when you don’t control the Presidency, Senate, DOJ, IRS, NSA, etc. etc. etc., and thus cannot use the full legal force of the US government to punish your enemies.
Who needs boycotts when you have EEOC SWAT teams?
(But just for the record, here is a successful Conserva-reversa-leftcott; watch for the slanted reporting, although the substance is correct.)

What’s happening here is that an employer can’t HIRE someone he wants to hire without the raging, hate-filled bullies of the Left harassing the employer and the wanted employee until they submit to whatever Leftist whims are in play.

This should be terrifying to all sane people. If you have any history volunteering for, donating to, working for, etc., any organization or cause the Left deems evil and you are not self-employed (or employed by a company or organization that has nothing to lose in a PR battle), you really have to wonder if your livelihood, privacy, and future employment prospects may all, at some point, be in jeopardy.

butterflies and puppies on April 11, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Bingo.

AesopFan on April 12, 2014 at 1:43 AM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on April 12, 2014 at 8:40 AM

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