Bill Clinton on voter ID: Why not solve the problem by putting a photo on every Social Security card?

posted at 6:01 pm on April 10, 2014 by Allahpundit

After years of lefty rhetoric about how even the smallest ID requirement at the polls is some sort of pogrom against minority voters and the poor, I … did not see this coming.

But maybe I should have. Per some polls, support for voter ID reaches 80+ percent. Maybe Bill’s already thinking about purple states in 2016.

With 34 states now requiring some form of identification at the polls, former president Bill Clinton and civil rights leader Andrew Young on Wednesday endorsed the idea of adding photos to Social Security cards as a way to prevent voter suppression…

Clinton and Young, a former mayor of Atlanta, expressed concern that the voter ID laws could discourage poor and minority voters from showing up at the polls, which would circumvent the intent of the Voting Rights Act.

“I’m not against photo identification, but only as long as the cards are free and easily accessible. Providing eligible voters the ability to obtain a photo on a Social Security card eliminates any genuine concern,” Young said. He called on Obama to issue an executive order making such photos available.

Clinton did not go so far as to urge executive action. However, he said, putting photos on Social Security cards would represent “a way forward that eliminates error,” without having to “paralyze and divide a country with significant challenges.”

Help me figure this out. Traditionally, the argument against voter ID is that it puts the poor at a disadvantage by making them spend money they don’t have. Even if the ID itself is free, as it is in some states, it costs money to collect the supporting documents for it, like an official birth certificate. Except that … you also need supporting documents proving your age, citizenship, and identity to obtain a Social Security card. To prove the first two, they ask for a birth certificate. To prove identity, “Social Security will ask to see a U.S. driver’s license, state-issued nondriver identification card or U.S. passport,” although certain other forms of ID might be accepted if those are absent. And SSA emphasizes that all documents must be original or certified copies; photocopies won’t cut it. All of which is to say, how is a Social Security card less burdensome for a voter to obtain than a state-issued ID would be? If anything, it’s more of a pain for the feds since it would require issuing two separate SSA cards — one, presumably without a photo, when you’re a child and can’t vote, and then another with a photo when you turn 18 and can.

The point here, I guess, is to leverage the ubiquity of Social Security. If everyone, including the poor, is already bearing the cost of registering for a number and getting a card, you might as well add a photo and take care of their voter ID too. If it’s unfair to make them bear a burden at the polls, though, why ask them to bear one to produce documents for SSA? Why shouldn’t photocopies of a birth certificate suffice as proof of identity? This has always been the main objection to voter ID — it seems capricious to demand proof of ID for so many things in life, including participation in a protest of voter ID laws, and then wave people through on election day without one. If obtaining photo ID would make the poor’s lives easier in various ways, not just in voting, then naturally you’d want to maximize the incentive for them to do so. That’s a virtue of Clinton’s proposal. Unlike lots of lefties, he sees value in encouraging people have at least one basic form of photo ID.

Exit question: Will righties balk at this because Social Security is federally administered, though? I saw some grumbles in Headlines about this being a de facto national ID card, in which case, no thanks.


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Works for me.
Someone jump on it before the Dems start backpedaling.

dentarthurdent on April 10, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Tattoo barcodes on everyone /s

tmitsss on April 10, 2014 at 6:06 PM

‘Cause the Federal Government shouldn’t be in the business of issuing a NATIONAL ID.

Social Security was never supposed to be any kind of ID (yeah, I know), and now we have a former President calling for it to become a full blown “photo ID”.

listens2glenn on April 10, 2014 at 6:07 PM

All the man’s blood was probably in his Clenis rather than his brain when he made this statement.

And the lefty spin will be that it’s racist to make minorities carry their social security card around with them because it makes them vulnerable to identity theft if they get pick-pocketed.

Kensington on April 10, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Sure, and then the IRS can issue each Democrat 10 different photo IDs for various districts. Not buying anything that syphilitic rapist is selling.

Western_Civ on April 10, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Exit question: Will righties balk at this because Social Security is federally administered, though? I saw some grumbles in Headlines about this being a de facto national ID card, in which case, no thanks.

Your SSN and card is already a de facto national ID. It’s used in virtually all financial security-related transactions. Everyone acts like your SSN should be some sort of highly classified secret…it’s not! Get over it and buy ID Theft insurance (LifeLock, LegalShield, etc, etc).

Or, better yet, pay off all of your consumer debt, stop using credit cards and your FICO score will disappear in 6 months….problem solved.

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Bill also wants.

Mobile phone numbers
And times when the husband/boyfriend isn’t home.

Oil Can on April 10, 2014 at 6:10 PM

I was in a 3rd world country called India a few months ago, and since it is the said to be the most populous democracy , with over a billion people,
and they were getting ready for national elections,
I asked about their system .
I was amazed that even in India, they give out free voting ID cards with picture of the voter on it
AND
they mark the voter’s finger with ink on voting day , so that there is no double voting.
With all the caste system and poverty there , I didn’t find a single soul who thought that voter IDs were racist or casteist or discriminatory . I wonder why only blacks and illegals in USA have problems with voter IDs ??
What is that a voter ID prevents them from doing ?

burrata on April 10, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Bill obviously never looked at the bottom of a SS card:
“For Social Security and tax purposes – NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION”

GarandFan on April 10, 2014 at 6:12 PM

How about a photo on an EBT card?

Stu Gotts on April 10, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Can you redeem winning lottery tickets with a Social Security card?

rogerb on April 10, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Bill should get an intern working on that project.

faraway on April 10, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Here’s a story. 3 men linked to a small motorboat full of marijuana that washed ashore in Malibu CA were arrested, and face “possible deportation”: http://www.weather.com/video/mystery-boat-filled-with-what-46817

Incredible. The illegals face “possible deportation” while citizens would face up to 20 years in prison for the same crime???? Insane. I mean these illegals could be deported, and then back over the fence in days. Same with a whole slew of other illegals with criminal charges that face deportation as a punishment?? With the porous borders they’re back over the border in a snap, and they don’t face years in prison. Talk about having a high incentive to commit crime if you are an illegal!

anotherJoe on April 10, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Bill is getting old. The partisan filter takes a little more cognitive function. You know how a prog when asked a simple and obvious question pauses and gets that look, then deflects. Yeah Bill is past his prime answering a question by simply solving the problem.

Theworldisnotenough on April 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Fake or stolen Social Security cards are easy to come by… ask any illegal alien or criminal.

How about a biometric ID card with photo and a retinal scan. Then we know who the holder is… or who the holder isn’t.

thatsafactjack on April 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Don’t convicted criminals keep their social security cards?

Hillary needs that felon vote.

fogw on April 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Well Billy, which is it??:

21h
Former President Bill Clinton, at Civil Rights Summit, says strict voter ID laws threaten to reverse progress – @NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2014/04/10/former-president-bill-clinton-at-civil-rights-sum/
=================================

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/clinton-voter-id-laws-threaten-civil-rights-progress-n76386

canopfor on April 10, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Let’s review just the practical problems:

- Routinely flashing around something with one’s SocSecurity number on it is an open invitation for identity theft.
- The SocSecurity card establishes neither citizenship (which a passport establishes) nor residency (which a state-issued driver’s license/ID card does).
- Unlike state-issued driver’s licenses/ID cards and federally-issued passports, SocSecurity cards don’t come with expiration dates and thus don’t reflect the changing appearances associated with age.

Steve Eggleston on April 10, 2014 at 6:19 PM

TSA is racist for requiring photo IDs to board aircraft.

‘Cause the Federal Government shouldn’t be in the business of issuing a NATIONAL ID.

While that may be true, then what is the basis for passports?

Lets not forget that in 1776 photographs did not exist, so hoping for a Founding Father answer is silly. At best, your ID was your signature (if you could write), or your “x” if you couldn’t. So the lack of some sort of language about the Constitutionality of a photo ID does not mean that it is unConstitutional. But, since the Constitution itself provides the answer by saying “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”, its a state matter that the federal government has no power to intercede in. Except if you’re a race-monger. Then you can do what you want. And the worst that will happen is that the Speaker of House will just cry or something.

BobMbx on April 10, 2014 at 6:20 PM

A burden for someone who is poor? I say count the empty ciggy packs and booze bottles littering their domicile and if the total equals or exceeds the cost of an I.D., then tough popo.

Time to stop pretending that the privilege of citizenship doesn’t have at least a small measure of personal responsibility attached.

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Or, better yet, pay off all of your consumer debt, stop using credit cards and your FICO score will disappear in 6 months….problem solved.

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Solid plan, just don’t try to buy a house… or a nice car… or a boat… or a plane… unless, that is, you’re 1% — If so, I’ll be the first to give you a high-five and ask you for investment tips.

However, that advice is useless for the other 99% of people.

nullrouted on April 10, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Tattoo barcodes on everyone /s

tmitsss on April 10, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Not much room left on me.

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:22 PM

A rapist!

Jaibones on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

The Left has always wanted national I.D.s and this would work. I have to say I’m a bit surprised that they are considering the use of Social Security card. I’ll wait to hear how they are going to get around the citizen thing because it is a lead pipe cinch they don’t want to get real picky.

Cindy Munford on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Bill should get an intern working on that project.

faraway on April 10, 2014 at 6:14 PM

I see what you did there… and I like it.

nullrouted on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Why not a national ID card … a smart card that can be used by states as a driver’s license … because everything you need is stored in the state database (not on the card) anyway … the chip on the card just ties to your info in the state database. Info that already exists.

So it’s not that the card has all this data … which is a security risk … but the card IDs you … so the respective agency (city, county, state, federal) can access the data that is already in their respective database.

The military uses smart ID cards … but the problem with them is that the data is stored on the card … which is a bad idea and one that sets you up for potential identity theft if applied to a universal ID card.

Let the states pay a user fee … which is paid via the user when they get an update to their “driver’s license” or otherwise update their card. So the overall cost to states and fed doesn’t change and data is not stored on the card, other than the info on a traditional ID … name, address, phone, birthdate, photo … all the other personal info can only be accessed by the respective agency that currently keeps that data on you.

Grinch on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

What a great idea! Then you can just make the rounds and vote all over the place since you no longer will have a residence to verify or a list of registered voters! It’s a Democrats DREAM come true!

Texas Gal on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Let’s really put the test to them.

Ask them to count to ten and spell the name of their state.

fogw on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

It’ll never take off, as The One is using a dead white guy’s SS number…

vnvet on April 10, 2014 at 6:25 PM

I don’t think he realizes what he’s saying here. Right now the SS card is a just a flimsy piece of paper, very easy to produce fraudulently. If the anti-counterfeit features were up to (and preferably past) the standard of nearly every state’s driver’s license, this could mean the end of illegal immigration. The main reasons that illegal aliens are in the country are for work and benefits, and the major ways that they are able to work and get benefits are because of fake SSN#’s that nobody checks up on. Issue all legit citizens a fraud-proof SS card and without that, you can’t work or get benefits. Illegal immigration problem would melt away in a matter of months.

Progressive Heretic on April 10, 2014 at 6:25 PM

You’re supposed to keep your Social Security number secret though. Having to use it as ID, letting strangers see your SSN, would be a problem.

El_Terrible on April 10, 2014 at 6:26 PM

I’m not interested in a national ID card, thanks. This is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist, as photo IDs can be gotten. If they are too much of a burden for you now, oh well..then I guess voting just isn’t that important to you.

changer1701 on April 10, 2014 at 6:26 PM

- Unlike state-issued driver’s licenses/ID cards and federally-issued passports, SocSecurity cards don’t come with expiration dates and thus don’t reflect the changing appearances associated with age.

Steve Eggleston on April 10, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Your first two points are very valid. Its unfortunate that businesses and government entities latched onto the SSN as a way of identifying someone. Its not the number or that anyone knows what it is which is the problem. Instead, its all the very important, personl life-things that “require” the SSN. I quoted ‘require’ because it isn’t that its required by statute or the laws of physics, no, its because it was convenient to use the SSN as a form of ID. Thats the issue. Pass a law that bans the use of the SSN for any reason other than SSA purposes. That would defang the problems associated identity theft, and require those that ‘require’ ID to re-invent an ID system. Doing that alone would reduce all sorts of fraud, at least until the grifters figured out to game the new system.

The above quote, though, seems to assume that SSA cards must always be paper, with intaglio printing.

BobMbx on April 10, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Let’s really put the test to them.

Ask them to count to ten and spell the name of their state.

fogw on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Why do you want to bring back literacy tests?

Everyone knows they’re racist …against idiots who shouldn’t be voting.

nullrouted on April 10, 2014 at 6:29 PM

While its being discussed, why is there opposition to a national ID? I think it’d make sense instead of having 50 states doing their own thing. What did I miss?

El_Terrible on April 10, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Or, better yet, pay off all of your consumer debt, stop using credit cards and your FICO score will disappear in 6 months….problem solved.

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Solid plan, just don’t try to buy a house… or a nice car… or a boat… or a plane… unless, that is, you’re 1% — If so, I’ll be the first to give you a high-five and ask you for investment tips.

However, that advice is useless for the other 99% of people.

nullrouted on April 10, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Actually, you can buy all those things. You don’t need a FICO score. What you need to learn is a term called “Manual Underwriting”. Not all banks are willing to do it, but it is still possible and, yes, you can still get a mortgage, boat, car, etc….You just have to be willing to do the leg-work to show your credit-worthiness.

Basically, with manual underwriting, you need to show a solid and stable employmeny (2+ years worth of pay stubs and a minimum of two years of on-time utility bills (like water and electric) to establish that you are not a credit risk….again, not all banks are willing to do that, but there are lots of banks out there and all you have to do is have the balls to walk away from the table instead of letting the loan officer call the shots….

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:30 PM

El_Terrible — here’s a few reasons:

https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/5-problems-national-id-cards

nullrouted on April 10, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Ask them to count to ten and spell the name of their state.

fogw on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Hahaha…the new immigration enforcement hotness: Hello, sir. Can you please tell me where you live, city and state? Can you spell that, please?

Might as well have a poll tax.

Jaibones on April 10, 2014 at 6:32 PM

… former president Bill Clinton and civil rights leader Andrew Young on Wednesday endorsed the idea of adding photos to Social Security cards as a way to prevent voter suppression…

.
It’s voter fraud that is the issue, dipschitz…. I bet you guys are in favor Second Amendment rights “for hunting,” too.

ExpressoBold on April 10, 2014 at 6:32 PM

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Are you talking about just eliminating FICO or ‘killing your strawman’ entirely, as they say?

nullrouted on April 10, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Let’s really put the test to them.

Ask them to count to ten and spell the name of their state.

fogw on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Everyone in Massachh…Masachuus…Massachoo…you know what I mean…everyone there would fail.

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Proof that Billy Jeff hasn’t tried to get a SS card in a long time.

I needed one not too long ago and had lost the original. It took FIVE letter exchanges, THREE telephone calls, and TWO personal visits.

The DMV is a breeze in comparison. Furthermore, under voter ID laws that have been upheld, states will even come to you, take your photo, and provide you a voter ID card for free.

Good luck trying that with the SSA.

Resist We Much on April 10, 2014 at 6:35 PM

This is a Trojan Horse and nobody has picked up on it yet (unless I missed it).

Social security numbers are not exclusive to U.S. citizens.

Legal Permanent Residents (green card holders) are also entitled to them, as are illegal aliens with Temporary Protected Status (TPS) like citizens of El Salvador.

Anyone who is authorized to work in the US can legally obtain a SSN.

Soc Sec cards are NOT a good way to verify citizenship.

guinneach on April 10, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Ding dong the witch is dead!

Cruella Sebelius is resigning.

Resist We Much on April 10, 2014 at 6:36 PM

El_Terrible — here’s a few reasons:

https://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/5-problems-national-id-cards

nullrouted on April 10, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Here’s something to consider:

All five of those reasons have come to be true. And all without a national ID. So it isn’t the National ID thats the problem, is it?

BobMbx on April 10, 2014 at 6:36 PM

The Left has always wanted national I.D.s and this would work. I have to say I’m a bit surprised that they are considering the use of Social Security card. I’ll wait to hear how they are going to get around the citizen thing because it is a lead pipe cinch they don’t want to get real picky.

Cindy Munford on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

If I have judged the Marxists correctly over the last few years,
my guess is that what they want is a SS card with a magnetic stripe on it with identifier info about the card holder on the stripe.
Once they have that, in the name of voter ID ofcourse,
those cards will be used to nullify a vote even if the voter is legit, specially if the voter is a white heterosexual US citizen who pays taxes and/or has a gun.

burrata on April 10, 2014 at 6:37 PM

The NAACP, Voter ID Laws, the UN, and Jimmy Carter

Who knew that Progressives thought that Jimmy Carter was a racist?

The 21-member bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform, co-chaired by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker, advocated voted identification laws in 2005.

The commission called voter identification one of “five pillars” that would “build confidence” in the integrity of federal elections. Only three of the 21 commission members voted against requiring photo identification of voters.

Resist We Much on April 10, 2014 at 6:37 PM

The Clinton’s will push for the idea, but work to make sure it does not go into action until after 2016. That way Hillary gets the questionable Obama voters, then changes the law. She’ll screw future Dems who need illegal votes in order to forward herself.

eski502 on April 10, 2014 at 6:38 PM

I have been advocating for years that Race Cards be issued with photos on them. After all we KNOW that every minority person has a race card and uses it frequently. Am I a genius or what?

Doug Piranha on April 10, 2014 at 6:39 PM

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Are you talking about just eliminating FICO or ‘killing your strawman’ entirely, as they say?

nullrouted on April 10, 2014 at 6:32 PM

My original point was that everyone acts like the SSN is sacred because they have phantom fears about “credit scores”. Your SSN is NOT your life….say it with, “my SSN is NOT my life!“.

Quite frankly, I don’t think this proposal will fly anyway because big business will kill it – they want illegal labor and they would not want a picture on a SS card getting in the way of that. How many years has E-Verify been in “testing” because big business will not allow it to come into effect?

Anyway, I admit my credit screed was a bit off point, but if people took better care of their financial health, many problems in this country would go away….

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Would all 25 of an illegal alien’s social security cards have photo id’s?

VorDaj on April 10, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Everyone in Massachh…Masachuus…Massachoo…you know what I mean…everyone there would fail.

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Iwoa.

fogw on April 10, 2014 at 6:40 PM

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:10 PM

You, sir, are ignorant, and your advice is a fast lane to trouble.

Credit history with the big 3 bureaus (Experian, Equifax, TransUnion) is retained for 7-20 years for most items, and indefinitely for others. That history is more than sufficient for a credit card company or the like to make a determination on an application and establish a line of credit.

Even if an identity thief can’t open a line against your credit score, you’d better not own anything, have any checking accounts, bank accounts, or… Hell. They can drain your bank accounts, open lines of credit against your home’s equity, take out a title loan on your car, get medical treatment in your name, attach your information to a forged ID and commit crimes in your name, get employment in your name, commit tax fraud in your name…

Identity Theft isn’t something you can just “opt-out” of. Only regular monitoring of your personal finances can alert you to problems so you can stop them from getting out of control.

Source: I’m a Subject Matter Expert for Identity Theft for the IRS, and have years of poking around the dark Web and seeing what’s happening.

Asurea on April 10, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Aren’t most ss cards given out at birth? At least the legal ones. Sounds like another big gov’t mess. Let the states handle it.

monalisa on April 10, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Ding dong the witch is dead!

Cruella Sebelius is resigning.

Resist We Much on April 10, 2014 at 6:36 PM

White House officials were quick to point out the many successes during Ms. Sebelius’s tenure: the end to pre-existing conditions as a bar to insurance, the ability for young people to stay on their parents’ insurance, and the reduction in the growth of health care costs. In addition, Ms. Sebelius helped push through mental health parity in insurance plans and worked with the Department of Education to promote early childhood education.

One at a time:

the end to pre-existing conditions as a bar to insurance,

Wrong. Insurance was always available. It was just very expensive. And healthcare was never refused.

the ability for young people to stay on their parents’ insurance,

In an amazing feat of political jujitsu, increasing the age from 25 to 26 is touted as the next sliced bread invention. (They added 12 months, or 1/25 of what already existed). Wow.

and the reduction in the growth of health care costs.

I’m normally quick with the snarky responses, but…this defies words.

Don’t forget how great it was when she increased the choco ration from 4 ozs to 2 ozs per month.

BobMbx on April 10, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Iwoa.

fogw on April 10, 2014 at 6:40 PM

OIHO.

Hat tip to the smartiest preznit ever.

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:47 PM

burrata on April 10, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Our driver’s license in Florida has that strip and is used for voter ID. I guess the number of the ballot would be attached to the ID and cancelled out? Hhhmmm, things to watch.

Cindy Munford on April 10, 2014 at 6:49 PM

OT…Sebelius resigns. O nominates Burwell.

sorry if this is a dupe

CoffeeLover on April 10, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Asurea on April 10, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Not sure if you read my original post, but I do advocate getting ID theft insurance. Many of the national companies not only offer credit monitoring but they also offer identity restoration services, for as little a $20/month.

And I guess we just agree to disagree. You don’t need to use credit cards or debt instruments unless your too lazy to do the hard work to be financially sound. It’s called living within your means and delayed-gratification. It’s also called monthly, zero-base budgeting. Simple tools and life-style choices that keep you free of debt.

You want debt, FICO scores, etc running your life, be my guest.

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Iwoa.

fogw on April 10, 2014 at 6:40 PM

OIHO.

Hat tip to the smartiest preznit ever.

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:47 PM

There is one good thing to say about Obama. He’s as bad as you can be as President and not be wearing fatigues.

BobMbx on April 10, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Not to mention they’ll need to be updated every so often like driver’s licenses. 60 year old with a 40 year old picture ID?

More revenue taxes in the form of renewal fees.

Oxymoron on April 10, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Aren’t we told now to “protect your SS card, don’t carry your SS card with you, if someone has your SS card they can easily commit identity theft?”

Now Clinton wants to put a pic on it and make it a voter ID? I thought the Left hated that?

katiejane on April 10, 2014 at 6:55 PM

they also offer identity restoration services, for as little a $20/month.

I remember when cable TV was $20 a month, and every channel I was paying for had something worth watching. Now, I pay 5 times that, and have 400 channels of crap.

I mean, the Hitler channel isn’t about Hitler anymore. Its got naked people running around in the jungle or something.

Thank God for Netflix and my VCR. Thats right. V..C…R….

I’m probably the only living person who has the entire “War and Remembrance” mini-series on tape. I think its 14 cassettes.

BobMbx on April 10, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Uh let’s look at the SSA website for a quick second, as I suspect this is a scheme for back door voting by Illegals.

We issue three types of Social Security cards. All cards show your name and Social Security number.
1.Shows your name and Social Security number and lets you work without restriction.
We issue it to: ◦U.S. citizens; and
◦People lawfully admitted to the United States on a permanent basis.

2.Shows your name and number and notes, “VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION.” We issue this type of card to people lawfully admitted to the United States on a temporary basis who have DHS authorization to work.
3.Shows your name and number and notes, “NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT.”
We issue it to people from other countries: ◦Who are lawfully admitted to the United States without work authorization from DHS, but with a valid nonwork reason for needing a Social Security number; or
◦Who need a number because of a federal law requiring a Social Security number to get a benefit or service.

Illegals will be able to get SS Cards and be able to vote.

Johnnyreb on April 10, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Sebelius has resigned..

Thrown under the bus.

Barred on April 10, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Iwoa.

fogw on April 10, 2014 at 6:40 PM

OIHO.

Hat tip to the smartiest preznit ever.

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:47 PM

There is one good thing to say about Obama. He’s as bad as you can be as President and not be wearing fatigues.

BobMbx on April 10, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Hey, give the President the R-S-P-E-C-T he is due!

Resist We Much on April 10, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Who wants to flash their SS number around?

albill on April 10, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Well, well. B.J. Clinton, rocket surgeon. Revealing the most astute liberal as nothing more than an obvious arse clown. Waytogo Bill.

onomo on April 10, 2014 at 7:01 PM

CLINTOON takes new meaning here.

MORON, a state ID card has the same thing, dork.

TX-96 on April 10, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Our driver’s license in Florida has that strip and is used for voter ID. I guess the number of the ballot would be attached to the ID and cancelled out? Hhhmmm, things to watch.

Cindy Munford on April 10, 2014 at 6:49 PM

These people, who have thrived and built an extravagant lifestyle funded partly by voter fraud (and partly by islamic terrorism) will fight tooth and nail to keep the voter fraud going in their favor. Their lives depend on it .
The fraudster Cummings got so alarmed by someone in the US citizenry wanting truthful voting that he unleased the IRS on those citizens.
There is no way in he77 any Marxist or islamist will ever stand for or implement a simple voter ID to curb fraud .
Ofcourse, they will do everything to nullify or cancel votes of people like us. They already do that in CA.

burrata on April 10, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Isn’t he that guy who used to date Monica Lewinsky?
The one who was impeached?

Galtian on April 10, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Not much room left on me.

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Welcome back, Bishop!

Who is John Galt on April 10, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Because then Dems will never win another national election?

John the Libertarian on April 10, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Allahpundit spends way too much effort calculating whether this would work better than what exists.

This is Big Brother, the Leviathan, we are talking about. It’s not supposed to work better. It’s supposed to cost a lot of money, expand the bureaucracy, add more control of citizens lives, and centralize government power.

It would not be used to prevent voter fraud and it would not be used to prevent illegal immigrants from getting benefits.

pilsener on April 10, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Heh heh heh, ever see the movie Deliverance? Remember the scene, Squeal like a pig? Wanna see John Boehner do his impersonation of that scene?

oscarwilde on April 10, 2014 at 7:22 PM

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Oh, I read your post.

Get over it and buy ID Theft insurance (LifeLock, LegalShield, etc, etc).
Or, better yet, pay off all of your consumer debt, stop using credit cards and your FICO score will disappear in 6 months….problem solved.

You very clearly imply that avoiding various debt instruments somehow makes you immune or resistant to identity theft, which is a ridiculous proposition. You also construct a straw man:

And I guess we just agree to disagree. You don’t need to use credit cards or debt instruments unless your too lazy to do the hard work to be financially sound. It’s called living within your means and delayed-gratification. It’s also called monthly, zero-base budgeting. Simple tools and life-style choices that keep you free of debt.
You want debt, FICO scores, etc running your life, be my guest.

Nowhere in my post did I encourage acquiring debt, lines of credit, or otherwise living outside your means. I did advocate regular monitoring of personal finances and credit reports. Why? Because even if you have no credit lines, you are still at risk.

All it takes is a thief opening a line of credit against the equity in your home, and they can drain it right down to nothing. Your first notice would be the bank’s collection agency and foreclosure notices. You don’t need to be involved in such things for a crook to steal from you. They’re happy to sign you up all on their own.

Asurea on April 10, 2014 at 7:22 PM

The Left has always wanted national I.D.s and this would work. I have to say I’m a bit surprised that they are considering the use of Social Security card. I’ll wait to hear how they are going to get around the citizen thing because it is a lead pipe cinch they don’t want to get real picky.

Cindy Munford on April 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM

If the government organization that issues the ID can be as thoroughly corrupted as the IRS still is, why would we think they would only be issued to citizens?

slickwillie2001 on April 10, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Drudge is hilarious.

All devils and diabolitas are there.

Schadenfreude on April 10, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Not much room left on me.

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Welcome back, Bishop!

Who is John Galt on April 10, 2014 at 7:13 PM

WOOHOO! Bishbop is back!!!

Awesome …

ShainS on April 10, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Fake or stolen Social Security cards are easy to come by… ask any illegal alien or criminal.

thatsafactjack

That’s why he floated the idea.

xblade on April 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Your SSN and card is already a de facto national ID. It’s used in virtually all financial security-related transactions. Everyone acts like your SSN should be some sort of highly classified secret…it’s not! Get over it and buy ID Theft insurance (LifeLock, LegalShield, etc, etc).

Or, better yet, pay off all of your consumer debt, stop using credit cards and your FICO score will disappear in 6 months….problem solved.

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Er… my SS card doesn’t have a picture. And if it wasn’t for my passport, the feds wouldn’t have my picture. This means the feds will have everybody’s picture.

That may be fine with you, but not everyone would be comfortable with that… ya think?

Walter L. Newton on April 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Asurea,

And you are trapped in your fear.

A thief can not open a line of credit against your home these days. Most banks require underwriting and appraisals for that. Any bank that would do that, open a line of credit, can be sued by homeowner and should go out of business for faulty practices. If you have insurance (which I advocate getting, my original post was not clear on that matter) then you can sue. It may take time, but it can be done.

Stop living in fear of your finances and FICO score.

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Asurea,

Please provide a documented case of a national bank allowing a thief to open a line of credit on an asset they do not own? Most banks require underwriting and appraisals for HELOCs.

Stop living in fear of FICO. You obviously lose way too much sleep over this.

powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Er… my SS card doesn’t have a picture. And if it wasn’t for my passport, the feds wouldn’t have my picture. This means the feds will have everybody’s picture.

That may be fine with you, but not everyone would be comfortable with that… ya think?

Walter L. Newton on April 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM

All state driver licenses have been stored electronically, and are available for access by the feds. When you check into your doctor’s office or a hospital, they demand picture ID, and they run it through a small business-card type scanner and store it in their files, also accessible by the federal government.

slickwillie2001 on April 10, 2014 at 7:47 PM

There is a flea market in Houston where you can get a DL,SS card,a marriage license,birth certificate,proof of auto insurance,and even a mortgage deed for the price of a sunday dinner.

docflash on April 10, 2014 at 7:48 PM

If the government organization that issues the ID can be as thoroughly corrupted as the IRS still is, why would we think they would only be issued to citizens?
slickwillie2001 on April 10, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Portions of the IRS. The vast majority of us are just interested in doing our jobs and getting paid. Doing them right, too, as our performance bonuses are based on accuracy (80%) much more than volume (20%).

Asurea on April 10, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Bill doesn’t see the problem with this?

- Unlike state-issued driver’s licenses/ID cards and federally-issued passports, SocSecurity cards don’t come with expiration dates and thus don’t reflect the changing appearances associated with age.

Steve Eggleston on April 10, 2014 at 6:19 PM

In order to claim a child as a dependent on taxes, don’t you need the child to have a SSN? So, somewhere a 35 year old would be walking around with their baby picture on their SS card?

Mitoch55 on April 10, 2014 at 7:49 PM

If you don’t think the feds have your driver license, check this out:

Navy Database Tracks Civilians’ Parking Tickets, Fender-Benders, Raising Fears of Domestic Spying

slickwillie2001 on April 10, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Isn’t SS cards given too you when your a teenager. Hard to identify a 30-80 year old off a teenager photo.

KMav on April 10, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Asurea,
Please provide a documented case of a national bank allowing a thief to open a line of credit on an asset they do not own? Most banks require underwriting and appraisals for HELOCs.
Stop living in fear of FICO. You obviously lose way too much sleep over this.
powerpickle on April 10, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Go back and read the last paragraph of my first post again. 7 of the roughly 300 paper cases I worked last year had some form of material asset loss resulting from IDT. I don’t lose sleep over this; it’s my daily job.

I find your comment about “an asset they do not own” particularly amusing. Identity thieves get around that by simply pretending to be the owner.

I’m also curious why you’re obsessing over FICO/PLUS. That’s only an at-a-glance summary that allows a potential creditor to process an application using an automated system, and reduce the number of credit analysts they have to hire.

Asurea on April 10, 2014 at 7:55 PM

There is a flea market in Houston where you can get a DL,SS card,a marriage license,birth certificate,proof of auto insurance,and even a mortgage deed for the price of a sunday dinner.
docflash on April 10, 2014 at 7:48 PM

$1.10/identity if you buy 100 at a time on the dark Web. It’s pervasive.

Asurea on April 10, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Portions of the IRS. The vast majority of us are just interested in doing our jobs and getting paid. Doing them right, too, as our performance bonuses are based on accuracy (80%) much more than volume (20%).

Asurea on April 10, 2014 at 7:48 PM

So ya’ll get bonuses to harass the taxpayers who pay you ?

burrata on April 10, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Tattoo barcodes on everyone /s

tmitsss on April 10, 2014 at 6:06 PM

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Not much room left on me.

Bishop on April 10, 2014 at 6:22 PM
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Welcome back, Bishop!

Who is John Galt on April 10, 2014 at 7:13 PM

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WOOHOO! Bishbop is back!!!

Awesome …

ShainS on April 10, 2014 at 7:38 PM

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Bishopwho ?

Did I miss another open-enrollment ?

listens2glenn on April 10, 2014 at 8:11 PM

So ya’ll get bonuses to harass the taxpayers who pay you ?
burrata on April 10, 2014 at 8:03 PM

I… Guess? If helping victims of identity theft get their tax accounts clear of fraud, help straighten out their personal situations, process amended returns, and otherwise answer questions as best we can counts as harassment?

Seriously, grow up.

Asurea on April 10, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Got my SS card at around age 5. That picture?

BKeyser on April 10, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Help me figure this out.

It’s because the average black American would prefer it, since it adds another layer of self-protection from judicial misconduct.

budfox on April 10, 2014 at 8:24 PM

I… Guess? If helping victims of identity theft get their tax accounts clear of fraud, help straighten out their personal situations, process amended returns, and otherwise answer questions as best we can counts as harassment?

Seriously, grow up.

Asurea on April 10, 2014 at 8:16 PM

What does the IRS do to punish those who steal IDs ?
Does the IRS pro-actively guard and secure the confidential information of US taxpayers ?
Does the IRS even bother to inform the victims that their IDs are being misused by Democrats
obamavoters criminals and WHO those criminals are ?
Does the IRS verify who gets tax refunds and how many times using TIN #s filed @ LaRaza offices and mexican churches ?
IRS, the Islamic Retribution Service gives bonuses to it’s employees for plundering the US treasury to enrich illegals and jihadies.

burrata on April 10, 2014 at 8:26 PM

I… Guess? If helping victims of identity theft get their tax accounts clear of fraud, help straighten out their personal situations, process amended returns, and otherwise answer questions as best we can counts as harassment?

Seriously, grow up.

Asurea on April 10, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Many, many long years ago I was faced with (cough, cough) an IRS “problem” that required months of working with a particular agent.

All I can say is that she was one of the kindest, most considerate and helpful people I’d ever met. When my “problem” ended, I wrote her a note to thank her. She then telephoned me to thank me for the note and to tell me how much it meant to her.

From my personal observation and dealings with the IRS, I know that not all agents are Lois Lerner clones.

GrannyDee on April 10, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Here is how I figure it…

The reason some dems are really freaking out about state initiatives for voter id is they fear that African-Americans (and the poor in general), will not show up and get them because small time criminal infractions (like child support, speeding tickets, warrants for not showing up at court, not showing up for jury service, etc.) are prosecuted at the state level. This a stereotype obviously, I am not saying this is my belief, but I am just putting out the more honest views some dems have.

A photo SS card would be at the federal level, and thus those infractions would not be a problem to getting one. Plus the Dems always like the federal over the state.

I am willing to take this compromise however, despite where the idea came from, because in the end it would still make it harder to commit voter fraud and force the Dems to fight among themselves. In the mean time keep pushing it at the state level.

William Eaton on April 10, 2014 at 8:33 PM

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