Bush: Illegal immigration an “act of love,” not a felony

posted at 9:21 am on April 7, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

“I’m going to say this, and it’ll be on tape,” former Florida Governor Jeb Bush told an audience at his father’s presidential library this weekend, adding with a shrug, “So be it.” Asked about immigration policy at the forum, Bush responded that the US has to implement a system to find illegal immigrants and ask them to leave, along with better border controls, but that we should not overreact to illegal immigration when it occurs. It’s “an act of love,” Bush argued, “not a felony”:

On immigration, he said that many of those who illegally come to the United States do so out of an “act of love” for their families and should be treated differently than people who illegally cross U.S. borders or overstay visas. He said that a bipartisan bill passed by the Senate last year made “a good effort” at proposing ways to ensure that people overstaying visas leave the country.

“A great country ought to know where those folks are and politely ask them to leave,” he said, adding later that properly targeting people who overstay visas “would restore people’s confidence” in the nation’s immigration system.

But most people who illegally enter the United States do so “because they couldn’t come legally, they come to our country because their families — the dad who loved their children — was worried that their children didn’t have food on the table,” Bush said. “And they wanted to make sure their family was intact, and they crossed the border because they had no other means to work to be able to provide for their family. Yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love. It’s an act of commitment to your family. I honestly think that that is a different kind of crime that there should be a price paid, but it shouldn’t rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families.”

The proposal last year did make a good effort at finding a middle ground. The problem wasn’t the bill as much as it was who it trusted to enforce it. The problem for those supporting a staged system of comprehensive immigration reform is the Obama administration, which has proven its disregard for statutory law in ObamaCare — the bill it promoted — especially when it comes to statutory deadlines and enforcement. If we can’t trust this White House to stick with deadlines for mandates it really wants, how can we trust it to stick with the phased-in approach to normalization based on objective border- and visa-security metrics, even if those involve Congressional approval? After all, the employer mandates and IRS penalties were hard-wired into the ObamaCare statute, and Obama had no problem using his phone and his pen to ignore those.

Republicans aren’t going to get border and visa reform without coming up with ways to normalize those who have lived in the US for a significant period of time, and Democrats won’t get the latter without the former — unless Obama is still President when reform passes. That’s the issue even for those who support a compromise. The GOP trusted Democrats in 1986 when there was a lot more reason to do so, and got stiffed on the border and visa reforms. They’re not going to offer that level of trust with an executive branch that has demonstrated its untrustworthiness repeatedly over the last four years on ObamaCare, and Barack Obama’s declared ambitions to govern through EOs and regulation while bypassing Congress.

Bush says he will decide on whether to run for President by the end of the year, which means that … he’s just like everyone else in that regard. Whether he chooses to run depends on whether he can try running a different kind of campaign:

In a rambling answer that suggested he has given serious thought to the prospects of running for a job once held by his father and brother, Bush said he would decide whether to run for president by the end of this year. He appeared to bemoan the thought of having to spend time attending political cattle calls in early-primary states, suggesting that some candidates might devote too much time to questions such as, “How am I going to get to win the Muscatine Pork Roast straw poll, or something like that.”

Bush said he ultimately would base his decision on whether a candidate can “run with a hopeful, optimistic message, hopefully with enough detail to give people a sense that it’s not just idle words and not get back into the vortex of the mud fight.”

Good luck on that score.  The last innovator in a presidential primary was Rudy Giuliani, who thought he could skip over some of the traditional “here and now” states to win big in Bush’s Florida backyard, and that … didn’t work out so well.


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Bmore on April 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM

So complete disregard of our nations laws is an act of love?
Is this traitor really this ignorant or is he consciously and willfully engaging in the destruction of this nation? Shameful.

I’m going to guess this Bushtard has no idea what Mexico does to illegals.

Buttercup on April 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM

For those of you who say, we need to have Mexico solve its problems, how can we force Mexico to solve its problems when we cannot solve its own.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 12:21 PM

There is a reason places like Australia only allow educated/skilled workers in. With the “low-wage” workers comes crime and dependency. While a certain amount of starter workers are needed at lower wages, a glut of such workers is a strain on the system and keeps wages low. Immigration should be heavily CONTROLLED. Even if starter workers are desired, the influx should be measured and the applicants screened.

Part of the reason Europe started dying while the US thrived was the brain-drain from Europe to the US. Ideas, innovation, entrepreneurial spirit, etc. is what you want… not people who put used toilet paper on the floor with a collective IQ of 7.

mankai on April 7, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Europe was engaged in purging their undesirables.

Those folks came here and built this country…education didn’t have a lot to do with it since formal education for the peasants was still a new and cute idea.

America benefitted from immigration waves because of the sink or swim most immigrants experienced when they arrived and exploitation was rampant until some legal protections were legislated.

Recently in Pennsylvania a mass grave of Irish Railroad workers was discovered dating back to the days of railroad expansion in this country.

A robust economy needs workers at every level….that work productively.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM

The tens of millions of Americans love their families too. What country should they go to to find their American dream?

BuzzCrutcher on April 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM

For those of you who say, we need to have Mexico solve its problems, how can we force Mexico to solve its problems when we cannot solve its own.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Oooh snap! LOL, great point.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 12:23 PM

I mean the tens of millions of out-of-work Americans love their families too. An “edit” function for comments would be nice. (Yes, I know I should’ve previewed, but still)

BuzzCrutcher on April 7, 2014 at 12:24 PM

…AND he held had that position for years, having run against McCain on it. On top that, he had a great resume as a problem solver. He would have no doubt been immediately been working on jobs for Americans. While he DOES have some progressive views, he was firm on illegal immigration and amnesty. And that trumps everything. Amnesty is forever; it cannot be taken back; everything else can.

It is the low information voters like you guys, ostensibly Republicans, even conservatives, who demonized him and effectively reelected Obama. The irony of it…
 
memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM

 
Interesting point.
 
Now, do you think that the GOP and major donors will see DOES-have-some-progressive-views Romney’s inability to remove an outright leftist and arguably the worst sitting president in decades as an indicator that the next (R) candidate needs to be

1) more conservative or

2) more liberal?

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 12:24 PM

For those of you who say, we need to have Mexico solve its problems, how can we force Mexico to solve its problems when we cannot solve its own.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 12:21 PM

I’m an optimist.

I think reforms in Mexico will work and we can benefit especially if we work with them.

Otherwise prepare for more OTM dumping.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 12:24 PM

1) more conservative or

2) more liberal?

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 12:24 PM

You’re ‘drunk’ on logic. Get with the weasels.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:26 PM

“If you call it a riot (Rodney King riot) it sounds like it was just a bunch of crazy people who went out and did bad things for no reason. Riot implies to me wild, crazed, uncalled-for actions and I’m not so sure that’s quite appropriate for what took place in Los Angeles. It was unfortunate that it takes things like this rebellion to wake people up. I maintain it was somewhat understandable, if not acceptable…It was only a rebellion… a spontaneous reaction to a lot of injustice and a lot of alienation and frustration…There were mothers who took this as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes. Maybe they shouldn’t have done it, but the atmosphere was such that they did it. They are not crooks.”

- Maxine Waters

They stole the milk ‘for the children.’ It was an ‘act of love.’

They stole the bread ‘for the children.’ It was an ‘act of love.’

They stole some shoes ‘for the children.’ It was an ‘act of love.’

They stole some big screen televisions ‘for the children.’ It was an ‘act of love.’

They illegally crossed the borders or overstayed their visas ‘for the children.’ It was an ‘act of love.’

The rule of law must be abandoned ‘for the children’ because it would be an ‘act of love.’

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM

AYFKM?

You admit to hiring illegals…you were part of the problemo….cheapo labor…

Living in Texas I know too many people who waited 12+ years to become citizens and they did everything by the book legally.

I also know qualified anglos who were turned down for jobs because they didn’t speak spanish…Who needs to speak spanish to be a maid in a 4 star hotel in Texas?

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Listen friend. As I said previously, I did not know at the time that my employees were illegal at the time that I employed them. I worked for a national restaurant chain, and we followed the law to a tee. In the 80s, there was no ‘E-Verify”, no I-9 Forms and no way to check for legality. We followed the law and we were happy with the amnesty from Reagan. We expected the borders to be sealed and a system in place to stem the flow. It did not happen.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Point taken…and look at the time stamp.

I saw your reply.

We need an e-verify that works…that’s fo’ sure

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Leftist thugs, in the media too, want Jeb, for one reason. It would make it so much easier to get over the “No more Clintons”.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Recently in Pennsylvania a mass grave of Irish Railroad workers was discovered dating back to the days of railroad expansion in this country.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Mmmm, do you suppose that happens today? Besides they were just Irish, not like they were black or something important like muslim. Get over it dude! / s (in case needed)

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 12:28 PM

The proposal last year did make a good effort at finding a middle ground. The problem wasn’t the bill as much as it was who it trusted to enforce it. The problem for those supporting a staged system of comprehensive immigration reform is the Obama administration, which has proven its disregard for statutory law in ObamaCare — the bill it promoted — especially when it comes to statutory deadlines and enforcement.

I would like to see any of the HA authors who are pro-amnesty (which is most of you) write a column about how amnesty is good for the United States. Not how it is good for illegal aliens, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, landscapers and the poultry industry, the Democratic Party, Hispanic groups, Univision, etc., but how is incorporating 12 – 50+ million (chain migration) uneducated, unskilled aliens over the next 15-20 years good for the United States?

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 12:28 PM

“Republicans aren’t going to get border and visa reform without coming up with ways to normalize those who have lived in the US for a significant period of time…”

Huh? Seriously, why are we buying into that? We’ve ALREADY got laws on the books sufficient to control our borders and visas. What we don’t have is an Executive Branch whih will ENFORCE these laws.

We don’t need to make any deals with these pro-amnesty people. They’ve got nothing we want.

Murf76 on April 7, 2014 at 12:29 PM

The rule of law must be abandoned ‘for the children’ because it would be an ‘act of love.’

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM

The conservatives re-elected obama, for the children, and for love.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:29 PM

And drug dealers are undocumented pharmacists with great big hearts just trying to help their fellow man with pain and reality management.

Buttercup on April 7, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Leftist thugs, in the media too, want Jeb, for one reason. It would make it so much easier to get over the “No more Clintons”.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Not only that, but just in case he does win, Jeb will probably line up on the liberal side of most issues than most other Republican candidates.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 12:31 PM

A violent overthrow of the US government was also justified by communists…as an act of love. The Bushies are front men for the ruling class.

wraithby on April 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Leftist thugs, in the media too, want Jeb, for one reason. It would make it so much easier to get over the “No more Clintons”.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Here endeth the lesson for the day.

ToddPA on April 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Damn you RWM!!! Too much logic for a non English brain! You trip me worse than “A Clockwork Orange”… by the way, I never understood the title.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM

And drug dealers are undocumented pharmacists with great big hearts just trying to help their fellow man with pain and reality management.

Buttercup on April 7, 2014 at 12:29 PM

*snicker*

And Pimps are just dating services…

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 12:35 PM

“Love”!…is breaking laws!…who knew?

KOOLAID2 on April 7, 2014 at 12:35 PM

What a grotesque mutilation of language and truth. This is a kind of sick variation of Orwellianism borrowed from the Left. Our RINO elite are now out-and-out psychotics, just a bad imitation of the Left.

rrpjr on April 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM

I sense a disturbance in the force.

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 12:39 PM

I guess the stratospheric levels of illegal immigrant DUIs is misplaced love. Sick. This guy is much worse than self-satisfied preppy pr*ck I thought he was. Dangerous.

rrpjr on April 7, 2014 at 12:40 PM

A violent overthrow of the US government was also justified by communists…as an act of love. The Bushies are front men for the ruling class.

wraithby on April 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM

I think so. They certainly appear to be more critical of conservatives than the leftists in the WH.

The communists would prefer a quiet easing in instead of a violent overthrow, if only because of the many gun owners who would openly resist a violent overthrow. But, if it should take violence, so be it.

hawkeye54 on April 7, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Not only that, but just in case he does win, Jeb will probably line up on the liberal side of most issues than most other Republican candidates.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Because he’s evolved or something…

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Good lord. Once again the pro-amnesty crowd is entirely disengenuous.

The issues isn’t WHY illegals come here.

the issue is whether or not it is good policy (for the United States of America – not good policy for Mexico or for the illegals themselves) to pass an amnesty (hint, it isn’t, otherwise all teh pro-amnesty liars would actually argue the benefits of amnesty. They never do, instead they argue straw-men like this).

I, as somone opposed to amnesty on the grounds that it is terrible, terrible policy for the U.S., admit freely that the vast majority of illegals come here for perfectly understandable reasons. They come to the U.S. because they want a better life for themselves and their familes. I admit this and I understand it.

That doesn’t make any difference whatsoever as to whether or not amnesty is the right policy for the U.S.

If 1 million people a year wanted to immigrate to the U.S. “out of love”, does that mean we have to take them all in and give them legal status?

If 10 million a year want to do so, do we have to accept them?

If it is 50 million, what then?

These “arguments” (I use scare quotes because in 10 years of debating this issue, I have yet to see an actual, valid argument about policy based on facts from anyone who is pro amnesty – whether on blogs or in the media) are all absurd.

Yes, low-skilled, uneducated people from shitty countries (made shitty by leftism, by the way) want to immigrate to America. That is understandable. Just because they want to immigrate doesn’t mean we have to let them. Even if they manage to sneak in.

Why do all you pro-amnesty people believe that the U.S. is the only nation on earth not allowed to have borders or immigration policy? (wait – I know what you will say – “because we were founded on immigration” – that’s pure b.s. So was Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil, Argentina, Panama and every other central and south american nation, not to mention Cananda, New Zealand and Australia. In fact, go back far enough, and almost every nation on earth was founded by immigrants).

This is absurd. There is no basis in fact for the proposition that amnesty for the current illegals will in any way benefit the U.S. and tremendous amount of factual evidence that such amensty will harm the U.S. significantly. Yet the best pro-amnesty zeaolots can say is:

1. They came here out of love;
2. They do jobs americans won’t do (horseshit);
3. They live in the shadows (something they signed on for when they came here illegally);
4. We are a nation of immigrants (yeah, so?).

Not one of the above is anything but emotional gibberish. Not one offers a valid pro-U.S. reason for amnesty. Not one refutes the many, many issues that amnesty will raise – the simplest being that if you pass amnesty, you guaranty another 20 million illegals will be here within the next 10 or so years. So you are not even remotely solving any problem.

I cannot understand these people.

To the people who think strategically that it is a good idea for the GOP to back amnesty – you are worse than delusional. The 1986 amnesty saw no increase in GOP hispanic vote share. Polls show hispanics are signifcantly more liberal on fiscal issues than the GOP (In fact, strongly supporting Obamacare, for instance). the DNC would get as much, if not more, credit for passing the amnesty, so how it would change hispanic votes from DNC to GOP is completely unanswered by anyone. And, all of the illegals come from far-left countries where they were indoctrinated in far leftism and the belief that Gov’t should be huge and involved in every aspect of life.

Teh idea that passing amnesty will increase hipsanic votes for the GOP by one iota is so ridiculously delusional that I can’t begin to understand how anyone buys it.

Even so, even if we could increase GOP vote share for the GOP by passing amnesty, I would still oppose it because amnesty is bad policy for the U.S. Really, really bad policy.

Monkeytoe on April 7, 2014 at 12:42 PM

This just in:

Kathleen Parker thinks anyone who has a Southern Accent
is STUPID!!!

So all you Southern hicks better quit talkin funny, ya hear!?

ToddPA on April 7, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Hah! I now realize that 9/11 was due to love. They so loved Allah and their 72 virgins (most likely comicon participants) that they felt the need to destroy and kill.

Can’t you feel the love? If not, you are a racist hater… just saying.

Nah, if I’m wrong on this tell me why you think I am.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Another thing,

I’m not saying immigrating illegally and theft is the same thing, but if I rob a bank in order to give my child a better life, does that make robbing the bank o.k.? After all, the motivation was “love”.

Not only is the GOP not conservative in the least, it is not even a serious party. The GOP is worse than a joke.

Monkeytoe on April 7, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Because he’s evolved or something…

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 12:41 PM

‘Evolved’ into believing that being progressive-lite is the path to electoral success. That heading down the wrong path at half the speed the progressives want to go is somehow being on the ‘right’ path.

Oh, and Jeb’s evolved from Dubya’s ‘compassionate conservative’ to become a ‘compassionate fascist’…with a ‘kindler, gentler’ state in charge…because it’s easier to go along to get along than it is to actually advance a counter-vision and counter-argument.

Athos on April 7, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Even so, even if we could increase GOP vote share for the GOP by passing amnesty, I would still oppose it because amnesty is bad policy for the U.S. Really, really bad policy.

Monkeytoe on April 7, 2014 at 12:42 PM

I think I love you man… not in a weird way… (NiteOwl sniffles)

That’s not weird, right?

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 12:49 PM

The face of one who hates you and your kids.

Murphy9 on April 7, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I sense a disturbance in the force.

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Thanks for confirming what we all knew, your disturbance :)

So all you Southern hicks better quit talkin funny, ya hear!?

ToddPA on April 7, 2014 at 12:42 PM

The scumhag is wrong and she fails to realize that they are smarter than her, by far.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:50 PM

This just in:

Kathleen Parker thinks anyone who has a Southern Accent
is STUPID!!!

So all you Southern hicks better quit talkin funny, ya hear!?

ToddPA on April 7, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Stupid is as stupid does…

Kathleen Parker

Born: 1951, Winter Haven, Florida

Parker grew up in Winter Haven, Florida, graduated from Winter Haven High School in 1969, and attended Converse College in Spartanburg, South Carolina before transferring to Florida State University where she majored in Spanish Literature. She also holds a Master’s degree in the subject from Florida State.

She is married to an attorney, has three sons, and currently resides in Camden, South Carolina.

Actually, I’ve always thought that she was stupid, but never because of her accent.

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Good to know that Bush is a completely deranged elitist in perfect conformance with psychotic Establishment agenda.

rrpjr on April 7, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Living in Texas I know too many people who waited 12+ years to become citizens and they did everything by the book legally.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

And if that doesn’t convince you that our immigration laws are FUBAR nothing will.

Hive mind to erupt in 3 … 2 …

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 12:53 PM

So with all the fancy dancy rhetoric….what law do you think can actually get passed regarding the illegal immigrants?

Wishful thinking and reality do not match up when dealing with congress.

The only real was I think we have a chance of enacting, is one that seals/secures the border, and nothing else allowed to be attached to it.
Simple, concise, budgeted, iron clad…that is the only thing conservative should be thinking of.

Any other “law” about deportation, arresting, harassing, whatever, won’t get passed…just won’t make it, so we end up with the problem.

We need to focus on the one issue that can pass, and that can have an effect…securing the border.

That is one item that the left has difficulty defending, which is why the bring up all these other “shiny objects”, and of course the “right wing conservatives” fall for their trap every time, and end up chasing them down the rabbit hole.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Actually, I’ve always thought that she was stupid, but never because of her accent.

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Bingo!

This woman is truly a Wretch.

ToddPA on April 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM

We don’t need to make any deals with these pro-amnesty people. They’ve got nothing we want.

Murf76 on April 7, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Then nothing gets done…that is what you want?

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 12:56 PM

And if that doesn’t convince you that our immigration laws are FUBAR nothing will.

Hive mind to erupt in 3 … 2 …

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Fixing the immigration laws is not equal to amnesty.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:56 PM

OT – Myth

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Then nothing gets done…that is what you want?

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 12:56 PM

If the only choice is status quo or creating from nothing 10 to 20 million net new democrat votes. I would go with status quo each and every single time it comes up.
You cannot undo the damage that amnesty will cause. You can undo the damage that doing nothing causes and the do nothing is far less damaging.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Most of what is called amnesty at HA is not equal to amnesty either.

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Odd thing I’ve come to realize lately.

I can “bully” most folks off of any subject by implying that I am gay. As Americans we needs to be stronger than this. Not saying gay is bad, but it is not the norm.

I kinda have to wonder why straight people haven’t taken advantage of this strategy before?

A blow to the ego costs less than being blown at the polls… errr, probably a bad analogy. :-)

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 1:00 PM

THE ENTIRE gop leadership IS TRAITOROUS.

When a party cannot even secure the borders of a nation and not only that but makes the case of their Chamber of Commerce masters they show they not only are not worthy of power but they have been on a decades long march to merge the Wealth they have as the Ruling class with the Mexican slave labor that happily breeds more low skill workers.

Jeb Bush himself has pointed to the fact that the Mexicans have lots of babies.

George Bush…….RONALD REAGAN’S BIGGEST MISTAKE.

PappyD61 on April 7, 2014 at 1:00 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/jeb-bush-immigrants-are-more-fertile.html

With white people dying off, America needs bodies. But as a Republican fighting boldly for immigration reform while eyeing the 2016 GOP nomination, former Florida governor Jeb Bush finds himself in an uncomfortable spot. “Immigrants create far more businesses than native-born Americans over the last 20 years,” he argued today, in a speech at the Faith and Freedom conference, before making things more awkward. “Immigrants are more fertile,” Bush said, “and they love families, and they have more intact families, and they bring a younger population. Immigrants create an engine of economic prosperity.”

Beyond the weird wording, the reception was cold, CNN reports:

Bush’s arguments for immigration reform were met with near silence from the conservative crowd Friday, and following his speech the former Florida governor received a polite standing ovation. Comparatively, Rep. Michele Bachmann, who used parts of her speech to decry the bill backed by a bipartisan group of eight senators as “amnesty” for undocumented immigrants, received loud applause.

Note to Jeb: When trying to convince conservatives about the perks of immigration, the impending invasion of foreign babies is not yet a selling point.

PappyD61 on April 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM

With white people dying off, America needs bodies.

PappyD61 on April 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Do we need white bodies or will Hispanic bodies do?

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Then nothing gets done…that is what you want?

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 12:56 PM

You sound like my husband! No more abusing me, we are done! I want a divorce… well, that’s what I would’ve said if we were…

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Most of what is called amnesty at HA is not equal to amnesty either.

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Anything that removes them from illegal status in America to legal status in America is amnesty. There is a case by case basis court that can do this. One at a time. Anything outside that path is amnesty.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 1:05 PM

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 1:05 PM

What about decriminalization? Making it a misdemeanor offense. Is that amnesty?

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM

What about decriminalization? Making it a misdemeanor offense. Is that amnesty?

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Depends, what punishment degree do those who already broke the law subjected to? The current felony or the misdemeanor? If it is the prior, then it is no amnesty if it is later then it is. It is changing for the better the punishment they get for the crime they committed. It is intended to let them off the hook with a microscopic slap on the wrist.
They need to be deported, every last one of them.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 1:13 PM

They need to be deported, every last one of them.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Let me know how that works out for ya.

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:14 PM

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 1:05 PM

 
What about decriminalization? Making it a misdemeanor offense. Is that amnesty?
 
MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM

 
Does everyone else get a member’s discount card to show a policeman, too, or is it only certain criminals?

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:15 PM

…”All You Need…IS LOVE!”…who knew Jeb was one of the Beatles?

KOOLAID2 on April 7, 2014 at 1:16 PM

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Just aliens.

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Jeb Bush just told us all that he has more respect for people who have shown complete contempt for U.S. laws by entering our country ILLEGALLY, than he has respect for American Citizens and legal residents of the United States.

American Citizens would be fools to vote for Jeb Bush to be our President (or for any other elected office).

I will not vote for any candidate for any Federal, State or Local office who refuses to ENFORCE OUR LAWS AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

wren on April 7, 2014 at 1:20 PM

In other words, the US has no right to have or enforce immigration laws.

El_Terrible on April 7, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Do we need white bodies or will Hispanic bodies do?

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:05 PM

I can’t in good conscience say if our bodies will be white, beige, brown or black (Hispanic as a color? Seriously?) But I have 3 children each earning their own way and 4 grandchildren so far… I, and they, don’t need illegals to bring down their futures.

Grow up and throw your children into what you are trying to save their children from. You seem to be advocating sharing the poverty of ignorance. Share yours all you like… Me? I care for mine first and give what I have left to others.

Destroy me out of jealousy… nobody gets anything.

It’s not a race thing, it’s not a class thing and it’s not a religion thing. If you really put your best into it you can climb the latter.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 1:21 PM

What about decriminalization? Making it a misdemeanor offense. Is that amnesty?

MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM

I want the IRS to do that for those who NO longer pay taxes.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 1:22 PM

wren on April 7, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Perry did it too.
Americans voted for Obama. They are idiots.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 1:22 PM

If you really put your best into it you can climb the latter ladder.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 1:23 PM

ENFORCE THE BORDERS

John the Libertarian on April 7, 2014 at 1:23 PM

What about decriminalization? Making it a misdemeanor offense. Is that amnesty?
 
MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:08 PM

 
Does everyone else get a member’s discount card to show a policeman, too, or is it only certain criminals?
 
rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:15 PM

 
Just aliens.
 
MJBrutus on April 7, 2014 at 1:16 PM

 
That would definitely make it easier for them to find above-the-board jobs that suit their skill levels.
 
Say, what’s the black unemployment rate these days, anyway?

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM

If you really put your best into it you can climb the latter ladder.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 1:23 PM

OOps, damn autocorrect?

Nah, that was mine.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Damn you.. you caught my mistake… now I must dog you relentlessly until I catch you in one. Meh, shouldn’t take long knowing your posting habits. :-0

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Then nothing gets done…that is what you want?

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 12:56 PM

The laws are ALREADY on the books… right down to a border fence and the funding for it. We don’t need any more laws. What we need is an executive branch willing to enforce the ones we have.

Some of you folks seem to have fallen into the “let’s-make-a-deal” trap. But they’ve got nothing to offer that’s not already ours by law. In essence, they’re making us barter for our own goods. We want border security?… well, we’ve already got border security. What we don’t have, is somebody willing to actually enforce it.

You’re looking at this all wrong. We’ve got an executive branch which REFUSES to enforce the law. We’ve got a legislative and judicial branch which refuses to check and balance the executive. Additional legislation will NOT change this.

What we need… is an electoral PURGE of every politician in Washington who isn’t doing his/her job. And you start by making it crystal clear to the GOP establishment that Jeb Bush will NOT be tolerated as a prospective candidate.

Murf76 on April 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM

What exactly is the problem with a bunch of low wage workers coming here? People keep saying there’s a problem, but it’s never really specified.

Another Libertarian on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

It might not be such a problem if these workers and their families were actually living on their low wages, but they’re not. The government’s own releases show that immigrants — both legal and illegal– consume a disproportionately large share of U.S. welfare benefits.

The Obama administration admits that it pays out billions of dollars every year in food stamps to illegal aliens (despite the fact that existing federal law prohibits illegals from being eligible for food stamps). The Obama administration also pays out billions of dollars a year in “tax credits” to illegals, billions of dollars a year in Medicare Part D prescription drug benefits to illegal aliens, and on and on and on.

If you added up all the costs of low-wage illegal aliens to U.S. taxpayers — not just the various forms of state and federal welfare they receive, but also the cost of educating their children in “free” public schools, providing the criminally-charged illegal aliens with “free” lawyers (not to mention “free” room, board, and medical care during their time in our jails and prisons), the “free” medical care they receive in our ER’s, and so forth, you’d be looking at hundreds of billions of dollars (or more) every year to support these “low-wage workers.”

The U.S. has $17 Trillion in public debt, we’ve been running Trillion-dollar deficits for years now, and we have hundreds of Trillions more in unfunded liabilities from entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security. We simply cannot afford to keep allowing millions of low-wage foreign workers to come here and take advantage of U.S. taxpayers to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars a year.

As someone once pointed out, we can have open borders, or we can have a giant welfare state, but we can’t have both. For decades now, our politicians have been trying to pretend that we can have both, but fiscal reality is soon going to pop the fantasy bubble they’ve been living in, and it’s going to end badly — for all of us.

AZCoyote on April 7, 2014 at 1:34 PM

The annual report, called “One Nation Underemployed: Jobs Rebuild America,” noted that the underemployment rate for African-American workers was 20.5 percent…
 
The report also said African-Americans are twice as likely as whites to be unemployed. The unemployment rate for blacks was 12 percent in February…

 

The U.S. unemployment rate fell to 7.7 percent in February, the Labor Department reported on Friday. That’s still rather high, but it’s nothing compared to what black teens are grappling with: an unemployment rate that grew to 43.1 percent.
 
That’s higher than when the recession ended. It’s also substantially higher than in November 2007, right before the recession started…

 
Our not-really-amnesty just can’t get here fast enough, eh black folks?

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:37 PM

What exactly is the problem with a bunch of low wage workers coming here? People keep saying there’s a problem, but it’s never really specified.
 
Another Libertarian on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

 
Thanks for asking. See above.

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Thanks for asking. See above.

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Always a bad a$$.

If this was a street fight and I was just a bystander I would try to stop the bleeding, but since it is just virtual… kick ‘em again!

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 1:42 PM

What exactly is the problem with a bunch of low wage workers coming here? People keep saying there’s a problem, but it’s never really specified.

Another Libertarian on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

You never listen I guess.
The government was created to defend the rights of citizens, not the rights of people from other nations.
They take jobs from American citizens increasing our unemployment and thus welfare rolls.
They depress the wages of jobs which causes more American citizens to use welfare.
They take the starter jobs that many younger Americans need to get a foot into the employment door.
They bring diseases with them.
They bring a socialist mindset with them.
They do not speak the language and have no desire to learn the language.
They do not fit into the culture and refuse to assimilate into the culture.
They overcrowd houses and drive the real estate values of citizens homes down.
They drive on our roads illegally and get into accidents.
They drink and drive and kill people.
They break the laws, other than just immigration ones.
They steal identities and destroy peoples lives.
They create a criminal underground to cater to their illegal activity needs.
They bring drugs across the border with them and end up tied to drug cartels.
They join gangs or bring their gangs from back home with them.

I dunno, what is the problem…

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 12:24 PM

This is what I think, and thought. That you evaluate the candidates based on what the most important issues of the day are. Because there is NO candidate who is as pure as you want. And in 2012, and for a long time previous, illegal immigration and amnesty were and continue to be far and away the most important issue for this country. It has been coming at us like a freight train out of control for decades. And if an amnesty is enacted, the very survival of this country in anything like its present form will be impossible. Not only will the Republicans lose, but every single American will, even the fools who are in favor of it.

Just for starters, studies show that after the’86 amnesty, EACH amnestied illegal brought in 5 additional family members under chain migration. Just multiply the number you think are REALLY here (certainly not just 11 million, and no one even seems concerned by the number) by 5 and add back the original number. Then consider they mostly speak one language and aren’t particularly interested in assimilation anyway, even if there was some incentive. Considering the amount of Spanish language stuff you see around today, and considering the demands made by these arrogant, selfish people who think they are the only ones who should be coming here, you can effectively wave goodbye to the U.S.A.

But, yes, I waited a long time for ANY candidate to have the nerve to say what Romney did. He was worth voting for on illegal immigration alone, because all issues pale in comparison to the one which will insure that you lose your country. And I didn’t think he could viably run on that and then backtrack.

As for Schadenfreude, you are impossible to reason with because your mind is closed. You are one of those who would never admit you were wrong about anything. And you are wrong about this.

memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM

+1. You might send your message to other Losertarians, like Rand Paul.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 1:49 PM

This is what I think, and thought. That you evaluate the candidates based on what the most important issues of the day are. Because there is NO candidate who is as pure as you want. And in 2012, and for a long time previous, illegal immigration and amnesty were and continue to be far and away the most important issue for this country.

memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM

That’s why I supported Romney over Gingrich in 2012.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 1:51 PM

memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM

 
Interesting point.
 
Now, do you think that the GOP and major donors will see DOES-have-some-progressive-views Romney’s inability to remove an outright leftist and arguably the worst sitting president in decades as an indicator that the next (R) candidate needs to be
 
1) more conservative or
 
2) more liberal?
 
rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 12:24 PM

 
This is what I think, and thought. That you evaluate the candidates based on what the most important issues of the day are. Because there is NO candidate who is as pure as you want. And in 2012, and for a long time previous, illegal immigration and amnesty were and continue to be far and away the most important issue for this country. It has been coming at us like a freight train out of control for decades. And if an amnesty is enacted, the very survival of this country in anything like its present form will be impossible. Not only will the Republicans lose, but every single American will, even the fools who are in favor of it.
 
Just for starters, studies show that after the’86 amnesty, EACH amnestied illegal brought in 5 additional family members under chain migration. Just multiply the number you think are REALLY here (certainly not just 11 million, and no one even seems concerned by the number) by 5 and add back the original number. Then consider they mostly speak one language and aren’t particularly interested in assimilation anyway, even if there was some incentive. Considering the amount of Spanish language stuff you see around today, and considering the demands made by these arrogant, selfish people who think they are the only ones who should be coming here, you can effectively wave goodbye to the U.S.A.
 
But, yes, I waited a long time for ANY candidate to have the nerve to say what Romney did. He was worth voting for on illegal immigration alone, because all issues pale in comparison to the one which will insure that you lose your country. And I didn’t think he could viably run on that and then backtrack.
 
As for Schadenfreude, you are impossible to reason with because your mind is closed. You are one of those who would never admit you were wrong about anything. And you are wrong about this.
 
memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM

 
Thanks.
 
Now, do you think Romney’s loss will be viewed as an indicator that the 2016 (R) candidate needs to be
 
1) more conservative or
 
2) more liberal?

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:54 PM

As for Schadenfreude, you are impossible to reason with because your mind is closed. You are one of those who would never admit you were wrong about anything. And you are wrong about this.

memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Irony is not your friend.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 1:58 PM

I’m an optimist.

I think reforms in Mexico will work and we can benefit especially if we work with them.

Otherwise prepare for more OTM dumping.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 12:24 PM

We cannot balance the budget, reduce spending, eliminate corruption in our own government or even develop a workable healthcare website and you want the U.S. to reform the Mexican government?

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 1:59 PM

I sometimes wonder why conservatives don’t pander and lie like liberals do to get the “Job”.

Then I think… would I vote for someone that can lie easily enough to deceive? Well, of course I would if I was deceived.

Bush is why we have Obama, much like Carter is why we had Reagan… I hope the country exist long enough….

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Romney lost to the biggest narcissistic and inept moron on the face of the Earth.

The entire world laughs at obama.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Now, do you think Romney’s loss will be viewed as an indicator that the 2016 (R) candidate needs to be

1) more conservative or

2) more liberal?

rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:54 PM

For all his faults (and they are many), I would take Romney in a heartbeat over Jeb.

If Romney is the nominee, I would hold my nose one more time. If Jeb or Christie is the nominee, I’m voting third party.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 2:02 PM

What we need… is an electoral PURGE of every politician in Washington who isn’t doing his/her job. And you start by making it crystal clear to the GOP establishment that Jeb Bush will NOT be tolerated as a prospective candidate.

Murf76 on April 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM

We are not going to get what you need…

We all want what we want…but we have 50% of the country not wanting what you want…get it?

By making demands that won’t be accepted, nothing gets done.

Here is an example of someone going off foolishly:

…They depress the wages of jobs which causes more American citizens to use welfare.
They take the starter jobs that many younger Americans need to get a foot into the employment door.
They bring diseases with them….
I dunno, what is the problem…

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 1:45 PM

His list is the same list that was used against the Irish, the Germans, the Poles, the Italians…disease, un-American, gangs, uneducated…on and on, the same list, bigotry does not die off, it will never leave. People are afraid of other cultures, but most of all, they know they will be out worked by someone more dedicated to working hard.

Fear drives most people, if you had a family, living in Mexico, and had an opportunity to “sneak” into America and make a better life for you and your family, you would do the same…or stay and die a miserable life.

The only solution is secure the border, lock it down…than work on whatever problems exist, purge the system of the “losers” and keep the productive.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 2:03 PM

It’s fun to watch how much some of you enjoy the beating…until things will ‘improve’.

The land is frucked, more from the right than from the left.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Remember this: virtually any other mistake (even ObamaCare) can be undone. Amnesty is a mistake that can never be undone.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM

The only solution is secure the border, lock it down…than work on whatever problems exist, purge the system of the “losers” and keep the productive.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 2:03 PM

The border will NEVER be secured, by both parties. It is literally open and has been for years. The border patrol supervisors are under orders to keep it thus.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 2:06 PM

wren on April 7, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Perry did it too.Americans voted for Obama. They are idiots.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Yup. I crossed Rick Perry off my list of potential Presidential Candidates the minute he told us that he supported in-state tuition rates for ILLEGAL aliens in the GOP Presidential Debate.

Support for ENFORCING OUR LAWS AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is my litmus test for the 2014, 2016 and all future elections at the Federal, State and Local level.

wren on April 7, 2014 at 2:06 PM

His list is the same list that was used against the Irish, the Germans, the Poles, the Italians…disease, un-American, gangs, uneducated…on and on, the same list, bigotry does not die off, it will never leave.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 2:03 PM

The Irish, Germans, Poles and Italians didn’t come to the U.S. for “free stuff.” And, they were forced to assimilate as there was no “Dial 2 for Polish” or government forms printed in Italian.

The second generation was fully assimilated.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 2:08 PM

The Irish, Germans, Poles and Italians didn’t come to the U.S. for “free stuff.” And, they were forced to assimilate as there was no “Dial 2 for Polish” or government forms printed in Italian.

The second generation was fully assimilated.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Damn… can I get b!tch slapped for $200 Alex?

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 2:11 PM

The Irish, Germans, Poles and Italians didn’t come to the U.S. for “free stuff.” And, they were forced to assimilate as there was no “Dial 2 for Polish” or government forms printed in Italian.

The second generation was fully assimilated.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 2:08 PM

They also did not come illegally in large numbers, they came legally in large numbers based on the law of the time. They registered and those that were not worthy at the port of entry stayed at the port of entry until they were sent back across the ocean.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 2:12 PM

In my movie version of this silly farce,
I would cast Phillip Seymour-Hoffman as
Jeb…no wait.

Gallifet on April 7, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Bush responded that the US has to implement a system to find illegal immigrants and ask them to leave, along with better border controls…

The right words spoken ever so gently, but who believes him?

Bush 43 could have fixed immigration but he, at least partially at Jeb’s wishes, instead demanded absolute amnesty without border control in his “comprehensive” plans.

RJL on April 7, 2014 at 2:37 PM

This is what is wrong with the GOP. They are morons and don’t give a crap about the country. They just want to be in power and make it Democrat Lite.

flytier on April 7, 2014 at 2:39 PM

they crossed the border because they had no other means to work to be able to provide for their family.

Not so much an “act of love” as an “act of economic self interest.”

We get that many illegal aliens come here for better-paying jobs and all those lovely “free” benefits that the Obama administration so generously (and illegally) hands out to illegals (e.g., food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, etc.).

What we don’t get is why idiot Republican politicians continually insist that the economic self-interests of law-breaking foreigners matter more than the economic self-interests of U.S. citizens (you know, Jeb, the people whose interests you are supposedly representing)?

AZCoyote on April 7, 2014 at 2:42 PM

To rogerb on April 7, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Sorry, roger; I tend to get carried away. I didn’t answer your question specifically, but only in a roundabout way. But in a way you are asking an unfair question the second time. It’s entirely too narrow: either this or that, when there are so many shades, at least in today’s politics.

But, since I believe so deeply that amnesty will kill this country, I would run a candidate who would be able to convince people of the gravity of the issue. And it wouldn’t matter WHICH he/she was, conservative or liberal (although I can’t imagine a liberal espousing a hard line on amnesty). So, if I could find a candidate with the resolve and thunder of a Gingrich, but with a little more integrity, one who couldn’t be bought of by the illegals as he has been, I would run a candidate like that.

memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 2:03 PM

What part of “the laws are already on the books” are you not getting?

It’s not necessary that we barter for our own goods here. Legislatively, we’ve got border security galore, funding even. We DON’T NEED an immigration bill to get what we already have.

Murf76 on April 7, 2014 at 2:56 PM

They also did not come illegally in large numbers, they came legally in large numbers based on the law of the time. They registered and those that were not worthy at the port of entry stayed at the port of entry until they were sent back across the ocean.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 2:12 PM

In addition, since they came from many countries, no group or language was dominate as it is today. There also was no chain migration to bring relatives.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 2:58 PM

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