Bush: Illegal immigration an “act of love,” not a felony

posted at 9:21 am on April 7, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

“I’m going to say this, and it’ll be on tape,” former Florida Governor Jeb Bush told an audience at his father’s presidential library this weekend, adding with a shrug, “So be it.” Asked about immigration policy at the forum, Bush responded that the US has to implement a system to find illegal immigrants and ask them to leave, along with better border controls, but that we should not overreact to illegal immigration when it occurs. It’s “an act of love,” Bush argued, “not a felony”:

On immigration, he said that many of those who illegally come to the United States do so out of an “act of love” for their families and should be treated differently than people who illegally cross U.S. borders or overstay visas. He said that a bipartisan bill passed by the Senate last year made “a good effort” at proposing ways to ensure that people overstaying visas leave the country.

“A great country ought to know where those folks are and politely ask them to leave,” he said, adding later that properly targeting people who overstay visas “would restore people’s confidence” in the nation’s immigration system.

But most people who illegally enter the United States do so “because they couldn’t come legally, they come to our country because their families — the dad who loved their children — was worried that their children didn’t have food on the table,” Bush said. “And they wanted to make sure their family was intact, and they crossed the border because they had no other means to work to be able to provide for their family. Yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love. It’s an act of commitment to your family. I honestly think that that is a different kind of crime that there should be a price paid, but it shouldn’t rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families.”

The proposal last year did make a good effort at finding a middle ground. The problem wasn’t the bill as much as it was who it trusted to enforce it. The problem for those supporting a staged system of comprehensive immigration reform is the Obama administration, which has proven its disregard for statutory law in ObamaCare — the bill it promoted — especially when it comes to statutory deadlines and enforcement. If we can’t trust this White House to stick with deadlines for mandates it really wants, how can we trust it to stick with the phased-in approach to normalization based on objective border- and visa-security metrics, even if those involve Congressional approval? After all, the employer mandates and IRS penalties were hard-wired into the ObamaCare statute, and Obama had no problem using his phone and his pen to ignore those.

Republicans aren’t going to get border and visa reform without coming up with ways to normalize those who have lived in the US for a significant period of time, and Democrats won’t get the latter without the former — unless Obama is still President when reform passes. That’s the issue even for those who support a compromise. The GOP trusted Democrats in 1986 when there was a lot more reason to do so, and got stiffed on the border and visa reforms. They’re not going to offer that level of trust with an executive branch that has demonstrated its untrustworthiness repeatedly over the last four years on ObamaCare, and Barack Obama’s declared ambitions to govern through EOs and regulation while bypassing Congress.

Bush says he will decide on whether to run for President by the end of the year, which means that … he’s just like everyone else in that regard. Whether he chooses to run depends on whether he can try running a different kind of campaign:

In a rambling answer that suggested he has given serious thought to the prospects of running for a job once held by his father and brother, Bush said he would decide whether to run for president by the end of this year. He appeared to bemoan the thought of having to spend time attending political cattle calls in early-primary states, suggesting that some candidates might devote too much time to questions such as, “How am I going to get to win the Muscatine Pork Roast straw poll, or something like that.”

Bush said he ultimately would base his decision on whether a candidate can “run with a hopeful, optimistic message, hopefully with enough detail to give people a sense that it’s not just idle words and not get back into the vortex of the mud fight.”

Good luck on that score.  The last innovator in a presidential primary was Rudy Giuliani, who thought he could skip over some of the traditional “here and now” states to win big in Bush’s Florida backyard, and that … didn’t work out so well.


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True. And I lived through that. My perspective was from that of a restaurant manager who had many undocumented aliens working for me. We were all very relieved and very excited for the future. The problem was that the democrats failed to live up to the commitment to seal the borders and millions more came across unchallenged. The same thing will happen this time. We must seal the borders prior to doing anything on the order of ‘normalizing’ the illegals here now. Until the borders are secure, systematic deportation is the process that we must use. I, for one, do not care how many families are broken up. We gave full amnesty to anyone here in the 80s. In my view, anyone here illegally after the Reagan amnesty needs to leave. Then we can talk about immigration reform. I will not support making the same mistake a second time.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 10:59 AM

AYFKM?

You admit to hiring illegals…you were part of the problemo….cheapo labor…

Living in Texas I know too many people who waited 12+ years to become citizens and they did everything by the book legally.

I also know qualified anglos who were turned down for jobs because they didn’t speak spanish…Who needs to speak spanish to be a maid in a 4 star hotel in Texas?

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Go back to school, and learn grammar before making such a stupid comment.

not2bright

Says the person who is dominating this thread with stupid comments, lol.

xblade on April 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

What exactly is the problem with a bunch of low wage workers coming here? People keep saying there’s a problem, but it’s never really specified.

Another Libertarian on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Police say Robert Krentz, whose family has been ranching in southern Arizona since 1907, was gunned down early Saturday morning, March 27th, 2010, by an illegal immigrant while out on his ATV tending to fences and water lines on the family’s 34,000-acre cattle ranch.

Reached by phone early Tuesday at his family’s ranch, Andy Krentz, Krentz’s oldest son, said his father was a churchgoing man who routinely went out of his way to help those in need.

“My father was a very good family man,” Krentz told FoxNews.com. “He supported his kids, supported his family. He went out of his way to help anybody we could without regarding to who they were. It didn’t matter who they were.”

Sue Krentz, Krentz’s wife, said she was “pretty overwhelmed” by her husband’s death, which coincided with her parents’ deteriorating health.

“This is icing on the cake,” Krentz said.

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

I am saying create a pathway…that may be a fine, penalty, added tax, probation, any number of things.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:56 AM

LOL. Right, let’s put illegal aliens on a “pathway” to citizenship. We can require them to pay back taxes, go through rigorous background checks, learn English, etc.

Gee, where have we heard that before? Oh yes, it was the same for the 1986 amnesty. Except that it was all a giant con, just like it will be again.

Did you know that shortly after the 1986 amnesty, Senator Chuck Schumer snuck a provision into a subsequent tax bill that prohibited the IRS from obtaining amnestied illegal aliens’ past employment data? IOW, after the Dims spent years telling Americans we needed to give illegals amnesty so they could come clean and pay their back taxes, Schumer made damn sure there was no way for the IRS to calculate and collect those back taxes.

And of course, those “background checks” never happened either. In fact, the federal government admitted that the 1986 amnesty was rife with fraud, and estimated that over 1/3 of the approved amnesty applications were based on fraudulent documents. And if you think that was some sort of isolated incident that wouldn’t or couldn’t happen again, take a look at what happened with Obama’s DREAM Act-by-illegal-executive-order of a couple years ago. Obama insisted that these “young” illegal aliens would be subjected to thorough background checks before receiving legal status, to ensure that gang-bangers and other foreign criminals weren’t getting legal status under the program. Surprise, surprise, when the Heritage Foundation served an FOIA request on Obama’s DHS to find out about these promised “background checks,” guess what DHS said? They said they didn’t have the money or the manpower to perform the background checks, so they were just taking the DREAMers at their word and approving their applications without doing any checks.

All these “pathways” to citizenship end up at the same place: rewarding illegal aliens for their lawlessness, and screwing over American citizens.

Enough is enough.

AZCoyote on April 7, 2014 at 11:17 AM

All this good lovin’ is costing American citizens out the wazoo.

I wouldn’t/didn’t financially support my own kids love life, so I sure don’t want to support anyone else’s.

lynncgb on April 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Of course its costing American citizens, the middle class to be precise. Between sucking up government benefits and taking jobs of the middle class, such as in service and construction industries, work not just that American will do but that Americans have been doing for appropriate wages. Jobs that once provided for a solid middle class lifestyle now can pay so little due to illegal competition.

Its a war on the middle class to eradicate most of it and create a society of the controlling 1%ers. big government pols, bureaucrats and government union workers. The remaining 99% toiling away as servants and dependents of the State.

We know on whose behalf Jeb Bush is working for and it isn’t the middle class.

hawkeye54 on April 7, 2014 at 11:18 AM

What exactly is the problem with a bunch of low wage workers coming here? People keep saying there’s a problem, but it’s never really specified.

Another Libertarian on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

If the number of them coming in is unregulated, it can have a negative effect on native born low wage earners and entry level job applicants. And in a contracting economy, the government’s first concern should be with its own citizens.

Cleombrotus on April 7, 2014 at 11:19 AM

You should ask yourself why you broke the law about employing illegals, and why you are so adamant that the lawbreaking should stop.

Could it be that you want to be able to continue to use illegal aliens, but you don’t want your competitors to do so?

What would happen if these aliens were legalized? Are you afraid that you would face lawsuits for underpaying them — or not remitting payroll taxes?

There are a lot of things that would be fixed by making the illegal legal — for one, they could join the above-ground economy, become taxpayers, buy auto insurance, get drivers licenses, etc etc etc.

You will not win by booting them out. Their kids are here to stay, and their kids will vote — for they are Americans. And they won’t be voting for you.

One who treats others as offal should not be surprised when they are considered offal as well.

unclesmrgol on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Insults are the stuff of liberals, pal. First of all, I was unaware that I was, in fact, employing illegals. There were no I-9 Verification forms and no system in place to check the legal status of employees. If an applicant had a Social Security Card…they were deemed legal. Secondly, all of my employees were paid the prevailing wage at the time. There was a state minimum wage that was adhered to. As a matter of fact, our Mexican employees generally earned more thank our American ones, since the Hispanics were far superior workers. You make so many wrong and stupid assumptions when you really know not a damned thing about the subject.

When you say they are ‘here to stay’ it is because of mealy mouthed pansies like you who lack the guts to root them out. See…I can hurl insults, too…Idiot.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 11:19 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:14 AM

At first I thought you were merely stupid.

Now I realize that is retarded, sir.

I suppose if one strove hard enough ignorance would also be an acceptable excuse.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:20 AM

I also know qualified anglos who were turned down for jobs because they didn’t speak spanish…Who needs to speak spanish to be a maid in a 4 star hotel in Texas?

workingclass artist

Try getting a job in southern Florida these days without being able to speak Spanish. And it’s even creeping into my state of NC.

Fluke Jeb Bush and all the amnesty shills who agree with him.

xblade on April 7, 2014 at 11:21 AM

All it takes is some enforcement and in 10 years the vast majority of illegals can be removed from the nation.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Every person in this country has rights…illegal or not.

Do you think every “deportation” is just putting them on an airplane? Without paper work, without due process?

Now sit down and figure out how much time, money, federal government time, money, people, are needed to fill out the paperwork on 15 million people.

Now, figure out how that law is going to be written, implemented…and you have a TSA times 10.

Do you know about “enforcement” and how the feds handle that? Ever read a little history on “federal enforcement” and how they determine their rights versus yours.

Pal, you don’t want the federal government in the deportation business…if you do, you are not a conservative.

You want them to enforce the border, seal it, then let the states deal with their individual state immigration problems.

Think…keep the feds out of our houses, neighborhoods…keep them on the border where they belong.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

I agree with him and disagree with him. For starters: IT IS an act of love. Be serious guys, if you lived in the hell hole that is drug infested northern mexico would you stay and try to keep your family there? Or if you could not find a job and your family was starving, would you cross the border to find money for food?

I think the answers to those questions are pretty easy.

On the other hand yes, it is a felony. Just because these people are acting out of love does not mean that we should give them some sort of free ride. The law is the law, and until someone comes up with a better plan that weeds the drug dealers and criminals out from the good people that are trying to sneak in then we cannot back off from the law.

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

There is a pathway to citizenship. It’s called “naturalization.” It’s not easy and it’s expensive, but I don’t wan tit to be easy. I want my citizenship to mean something.

gryphon202 on April 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

unclesmrgol on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Furthermore, you accuse me of willfully breaking the law and working people under the table and “off the books”. That is false and it is insulting. At the time, I was a General Manager for Sizzler Family Steak Houses…and we did everything according to the laws of the time. GFY.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

The take I have is somewhat jaded, because I am a legal immigrant to this country. I didn’t ignore the law. I didn’t think I was entitled to ignore immigration law. When required by law, I reported my address annually to Immigration.

The challenge we have is really two-fold. First we need to reconcile with the fact, according to this survey, that…

…a significant number of Mexicans do not believe that the United States has the moral or legal authority to keep them out. Their concept of the border is fundamentally different from how it is defined under our laws.

To them, the ends justifies the means. This is compounded because it’s an unofficial / official policy of the Mexican government to encourage illegal immigration from Mexico to the US. It removes a substantial population, a population that could cause real trouble for the corrupt Mexican government, and a population that is generally under-educated and in the lower societal castes, from the country.

The second issue is what do we do with the 15M plus who are here illegally – who may have minor children who are legal citizens courtesy of the ‘anchor baby’ provisions of current US law, and many of whom are working (illegally) at jobs.

Compounding this second issue are the effects of the progressives who support the defacto legalization of these illegals – their eligibility for benefits and assistance, driver’s licenses and other documentation, sanctuary cities / states, lax voting registration / ballot casting, and other steps which not only encourage illegal immigration, but work to capture their votes for the Democrat Party….because to the Dems, it’s also a means to a desired end.

The message that there is an entitlement or ‘right’ to come to the US has to end. It’s a privilege, not a right. It’s also a contract – that one will embrace traditional American values, contribute to society, respect society and the country, and assimilate just as millions of immigrants did from the 18th-20th century.

We aren’t offering compassion if we justify someone’s contempt towards the rule of law and the law of the land. We are damaging the country, legal immigrants, and citizens of this country.

That said, we do need a comprehensive immigration reform – but not one to make it easier to enter the US or reward the 15M plus who entered illegally while sending a wrong message to the many times that number who emigrated legally – or to those still in other countries who look at the wealth of the US and believe they are entitled to some of it because they want it. We need to punish countries who seek to export their problems to the US. We need to fix ‘anchor babies’ – and design an immigration system that benefits the US.

There’s enough in this country who need our compassion and help beyond encouraging more illegal immigrants or rewarding illegal immigrants.

This has to go beyond trolling for votes by trying to out-give to these illegals – it has to focus on what is best for the US and to take a realistic view towards those who don’t respect us, our laws, and think it’s ‘justice’ for them to collect from us.

Athos on April 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

What utter idiocy from Bush.

Jeb Bush is another McCain in the making. The last thing we want is another Bush. But a Frankensteinian mix of Bush / McCain? A nightmare beyond compare.

anotherJoe on April 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love.

This is perhaps one of the dumbest statements I have ever read. Ever.

“Why, sure they committed a crime! But it’s not a felony.”

Huh?

This is akin to Sheila Jackson Lee-levels of stupidity. I did vote for the GOP ticket in the last election (begrudgingly so), but that won’t happen again if Ol’ Jeb becomes the nominee.

Aizen on April 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Then who is this “our” of who you speak?
whatcat on April 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM

You are hung up on that…sheesh.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Can’t answer? In other words, you’re just making nonsense up. Alrighty, then.

whatcat on April 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Unless I am mistaken, if someone has been previously deported and re-enters the U.S. illegally, it is a felony.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Every person in this country has rights…illegal or not.

Do you think every “deportation” is just putting them on an airplane? Without paper work, without due process?

Now sit down and figure out how much time, money, federal government time, money, people, are needed to fill out the paperwork on 15 million people.

Now, figure out how that law is going to be written, implemented…and you have a TSA times 10.

Do you know about “enforcement” and how the feds handle that? Ever read a little history on “federal enforcement” and how they determine their rights versus yours.

Pal, you don’t want the federal government in the deportation business…if you do, you are not a conservative.

You want them to enforce the border, seal it, then let the states deal with their individual state immigration problems.

Think…keep the feds out of our houses, neighborhoods…keep them on the border where they belong.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

I agree. You cannot be a “fiscal conservative” and then say you support mass deportations. Our deportation system is a black hole for money, just like the rest of the legal system. On the flip side though keeping people here illegally creates a drain on public services that they are not returning by paying income taxes.

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM

On the other hand yes, it is a felony. Just because these people are acting out of love does not mean that we should give them some sort of free ride. The law is the law, and until someone comes up with a better plan that weeds the drug dealers and criminals out from the good people that are trying to sneak in then we cannot should not back off from the law.

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Minor correction in the interest of accuracy. We have backed off from the law, and we did it decades ago. We should start enforcing the law before we talk about its adequacy.

gryphon202 on April 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM

At first I thought you were merely stupid.

Now I realize that is retarded, sir.

I suppose if one strove hard enough ignorance would also be an acceptable excuse.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Another well thought out post…I see your point, yes, it is quite clear how eloquently you laid out your points of contention.

You are absolutely brilliant…

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM

What utter idiocy from Bush.

Jeb Bush is another McCain in the making. The last thing we want is another Bush. But a Frankensteinian mix of Bush / McCain? A nightmare beyond compare.

anotherJoe on April 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

A mix of the worst of each, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

whatcat on April 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Hey Jeb Bush, illegally entering the country may not be be a felony, but you know what IS a felony? Living and working in the U.S. and not filing or paying federal taxes. Identity theft. Social security fraud. Welfare fraud. Document fraud (as in, for example, falsely claiming to be a U.S. citizen or legal resident on a government form). Voter fraud. Tax fraud (as in, for example, claiming U.S. “tax credits” for a dozen non-existent dependent children in Mexico). And a whole host of other “acts of love” that many illegal aliens routinely engage in in their efforts to provide a better life for their children.

AZCoyote on April 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM

What utter idiocy from Bush.

Jeb Bush is another McCain in the making. The last thing we want is another Bush. But a Frankensteinian mix of Bush / McCain? A nightmare beyond compare.

anotherJoe on April 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

And he’s a Bush who does not even have his brothers personality. Even if you disagreed with W on politics he came of as an all around good guy. Jeb though seems to hide himself away with the elitist class. He has no interest in acting like one of the people.

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:26 AM

robbing a bank is an act of love. a bank robber is just trying to get money to feed their families, so it shouldn’t rile people up that people are robbing banks!

Sachiko on April 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM

hawkeye54 on April 7, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Depends on which level of middle class you’re describing.

A lot of small businesses hire illegals.

A lot of middle class folks hire illegals to mow their lawns…cleanup after them or nanny their kids etc.

Truth is like Obamacare most folks don’t care or don’t pay attention till it directly affects them personally.

I want a commonsense solution because the immigration laws are too easily manipulated and exploited…but to this Texan none of this happens till we secure the border with boots on the ground and consistent enforcement.

I also like Gov. Perry’s idea of having a new 21st century Monroe Doctrine applied to our hemisphere. Mexico would whine but go along cause they need our trade. Dumping their OTM’s has gotta stop.
Perry said our border security might have to extend to Guatemala…which is probably true and folks need to prepare for that because Mexico is lurching towards a failed state status as the drug cartels squat in the northern states.

But I’m a Texan.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM

idk what i just said, i was trying to pretend to lower myself to the intelligence level of jeb bush, but it’s difficult to get down that low

Sachiko on April 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM

On the other hand yes, it is a felony. Just because these people are acting out of love does not mean that we should give them some sort of free ride. The law is the law, and until someone comes up with a better plan that weeds the drug dealers and criminals out from the good people that are trying to sneak in then we cannot should not back off from the law.

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Minor correction in the interest of accuracy. We have backed off from the law, and we did it decades ago. We should start enforcing the law before we talk about its adequacy.

gryphon202 on April 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Yes, you are right there. If we actually enforced the laws on the books we’d do much better than we currently are.

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM

How about we delay voting rights somehow to illegal immigrants ‘not causing trouble and are good guys, soon to be legalized’ for say 10-15 years? That would be a big relief to me anyway.

otlset on April 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM

I want a commonsense solution because the immigration laws are too easily manipulated and exploited…but to this Texan none of this happens till we secure the border with boots on the ground and consistent enforcement.

I also like Gov. Perry’s idea of having a new 21st century Monroe Doctrine applied to our hemisphere. Mexico would whine but go along cause they need our trade. Dumping their OTM’s has gotta stop.
Perry said our border security might have to extend to Guatemala…which is probably true and folks need to prepare for that because Mexico is lurching towards a failed state status as the drug cartels squat in the northern states.

But I’m a Texan.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Isn’t “follow the law” a pretty common-sense approach? Why do people have to make it so complicated?

gryphon202 on April 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Dubya would rather hang out with friends and family in Texas, and throw barbeques for our Best and Brightest Veterans, than hobnob with the Elite.

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Commentator and writer Theodore H White (not exactly a conservative)said it best: LANGUAGE IS THE CEMENT WHICH BINDS THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER (paraphrase). If we lose this binding cement, we lose our country.

Most of the prior comments care correct in that

illegal aliens

1 are uninvited guests who sneaked in illegally.
2 Threaten the job security of (mostly) low paid American employees
3 Bring in diseases
4 Bring in vast quantities of drugs
5 Increase our crime statistics dramatically
6 Increase our taxes by their birth rates and by swelling our welfare roles

But even if all illegal aliens were soil engineers, scientists, doctors, register4ed nurses, plant managers, accountants, economists and IT experts, their refusal to learn English in favor of Spanish means a totally modified America in the future which will be shocking, unrecognizable and definitely Third World.

And Bush thinks it’s an ACT OF LOVE. By some definitions, so is rape!!!

MaiDee on April 7, 2014 at 11:30 AM

The thing that gets me about the “love” argument is that these illegal immigrants are being terribly exploited. You’d think the do gooder liberal types would have a heart for that. They come here only to be treated like crap by the farms they work and get paid next to nothing. In my opinion the open borders policy of leftists is akin to the slave ship policies of the past. Making them wait in line to come here legally ensures they will not be sent to the back of the bus so to speak.

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:31 AM

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Dubya would rather hang out with friends and family in Texas, and throw barbeques for our Best and Brightest Veterans, than hobnob with the Elite.

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 11:29 AM

George W. Bush is absolutely and utterly his father’s son, and his grandfather’s grandson. As likable as he is, I can’t help but wonder if we would have had a Barack Obama without a George W. Bush to precede him.

gryphon202 on April 7, 2014 at 11:31 AM

To them, the ends justifies the means. This is compounded because it’s an unofficial / official policy of the Mexican government to encourage illegal immigration from Mexico to the US.

It removes a substantial population, a population that could cause real trouble for the corrupt Mexican government, and a population that is generally under-educated and in the lower societal castes, from the country.

Indeed, I had a population geography professor who had said the Mexican illegal immigration does ease the pressure of a likely revolution which Mexico usually went through every generation or so. So instead of the under-educated underclass stirring up trouble at home they stir up trouble here, along with sending those nice money transfers back to family in Mexico. Mexico loves that revenue stream.

hawkeye54 on April 7, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Fluke the GOP.

I hate them more than the D-rats.

They enable the former, and are, thus, more culpable in destroying the land.

Go to Hades, all of you.

Hillary/Jeb Bush, same ticket, 2016.

It’s all the same.

Plus, see the two cases the Supreme Court rejected. Goebbels and Adolf squirted all over their graves.

Welcome to the US of Zimbabwe.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 11:31 AM

AYFKM?

You admit to hiring illegals…you were part of the problemo….cheapo labor…

Living in Texas I know too many people who waited 12+ years to become citizens and they did everything by the book legally.

I also know qualified anglos who were turned down for jobs because they didn’t speak spanish…Who needs to speak spanish to be a maid in a 4 star hotel in Texas?

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Listen friend. As I said previously, I did not know at the time that my employees were illegal at the time that I employed them. I worked for a national restaurant chain, and we followed the law to a tee. In the 80s, there was no ‘E-Verify”, no I-9 Forms and no way to check for legality. We followed the law and we were happy with the amnesty from Reagan. We expected the borders to be sealed and a system in place to stem the flow. It did not happen.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

It is not an act of love, it is an act of self-preservation. Mexicans have supported a hierarchical government since its founding and it led to starvation and poverty and crime. Now they want to come here to escape starvation, poverty and crime… and then eventually vote for hierarchical government.

And whereas some of the illegals come here to feed their children, many many of them come for nefarious reasons.

mankai on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I can’t wait to see the portrait GWB paints of obama.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

You either have documentation or you do not. It does not take long to process it if you are serious about actually defending the sovereignty of the nation.
I have a passport, birth certificate and it can all be verified with the issuing authority. My wife has a green card, again easily verified with the issuing authority.
ALL IT TAKES IS ACTUALLY ENFORCING THE LAW AND SECURING THE BORDER.

Do it for ten years, show me you are serious about defending the rights of those who the government represents, and then we can negotiate on what to do with the few remaining scumbags. Generally they will consist of people who do not work.

As evidenced by Obama’s numbers doing 2 or 3 million a year is not beyond the scope of our government and it should only really require doing about 1.5 million a year to accomplish. That is assuming that no one self deports.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

On the flip side though keeping people here illegally creates a drain on public services that they are not returning by paying income taxes.

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Agreed, and something has to be done…first is secure the border, I beleive after that, it will be more clear the next step.

Actually the next step is deport all of the ones who have committed a felony crime while living here. (yeah, save the obvious “crime”, we all get it).

Enough is enough.

AZCoyote on April 7, 2014 at 11:17 AM

I get it, and well presented…

However, our best bet is one step at a time…our efforts should be to secure the border. Anything else and the opposition will create the proverbial “shiny object”.

After we secure the border, lock it down, than we can implement other plans.

But deportation or “heavy handed” laws, won’t get passed and we will just continue down the same path is is ruining our country.

Right or wrong, we have to work with people to get something passed…that is so watered down now, I think all we should focus on is the task of the border.

If we lay out the argument, the logical one, that it is constitutional, practical, and “harms” no one, that securing the border is just that and nothing else…that will be a huge, huge win for our country.

After that, we can debate on how to deal with the social/legal issues of the existing illegals…but first keep our eyes on the real prize…securing the border.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Many of us Catholics have no use for the USCCB.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 7, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Amen!

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

But I’m a Texan.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM

By the way…I’m a Texan, too.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

gryphon202 on April 7, 2014 at 11:31 AM

True. However, on the bright side, it took us a Carter to get a Reagan.

And, since Obama is Carter on anabolic steroids…

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

You are absolutely brilliant…

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Aww, shucks ma’am, it weren’t nothin’.

Your faulty logic is being shot down all around you. I am watching – somewhat stunned – as your ignorance consumes you.

I had read some of your posts on other issues and can agree on a few. This issue, much like Bush, will end your credibility.

Oh well, what the hell… Watch South Park “They took our jobs…”

LOL, that would explain alot!

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Dubya would rather hang out with friends and family in Texas, and throw barbeques for our Best and Brightest Veterans, than hobnob with the Elite.

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 11:29 AM

George W. Bush is absolutely and utterly his father’s son, and his grandfather’s grandson. As likable as he is, I can’t help but wonder if we would have had a Barack Obama without a George W. Bush to precede him.

gryphon202 on April 7, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Well we would have had a McCain, or a Gore. Bad all around really. And to be honest I think that no matter who the President was on 9-11, that party was going to become the party of war for the following decade. Not to defend Bush’s mistakes, but just pointing out that he neglected all things to focus on one. I think any of them would have done that. With respect to the economy, the seeds of 2008 were sewn well before Bush came to office, his big mistake was being oblivious in seeing it coming.

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:35 AM

By the way…I’m a Texan, too.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Looking at my DD-214 I am a Texan as well.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 11:35 AM

As evidenced by Obama’s numbers doing 2 or 3 million a year is not beyond the scope of our government and it should only really require doing about 1.5 million a year to accomplish. That is assuming that no one self deports.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Is an anchor baby here legally, and the “pursuit” of happiness means that they have the right of their parents to be with them?

I get it…but you are too naive about the bureaucracy that will be created.

It will be a federal program, now name me a federal policing program that is not out of control? TSA? NSA?

I will take 15 million illegals, before I accept a federal bureaucracy that will be born out of fear. Think of history when you think of federal policing policies…EPA? OSHA?

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Well we would have had a McCain, or a Gore. Bad all around really. And to be honest I think that no matter who the President was on 9-11, that party was going to become the party of war for the following decade. Not to defend Bush’s mistakes, but just pointing out that he neglected all things to focus on one. I think any of them would have done that. With respect to the economy, the seeds of 2008 were sewn well before Bush came to office, his big mistake was being oblivious in seeing it coming.

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:35 AM

You don’t think W’s big mistake was Medicare Part D, huh? Or collaborating with Teddy “The Swimmer” Kennedy on No Child Left Behind? Or the raft of financial legislation he signed on his way out that enabled QE and ZIRP? Okay. I can respect a difference of opinion.

gryphon202 on April 7, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Here’s a question for amnesty proponents like Jebbie:

They routinely claim that we must grant amnesty to and provide a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants because ‘they perform the jobs that Americans simply won’t do.’ ‘K. What happens, then, when they become Americans? Will they join the rest of the ‘jobs Americans just won’t do’? Will their current jobs be considered beneath them once they become Americans?

Probably…so, we will once again have to address immigration reform ‘for the last time’…just like we did in 1986.

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Your faulty logic is being shot down all around you. I am watching – somewhat stunned – as your ignorance consumes you.

I had read some of your posts on other issues and can agree on a few. This issue, much like Bush, will end your credibility.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

So far your best argument is South Park?

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:38 AM

It is not an act of love, it is an act of self-preservation. Mexicans have supported a hierarchical government since its founding and it led to starvation and poverty and crime. Now they want to come here to escape starvation, poverty and crime… and then eventually vote for hierarchical government.

And whereas some of the illegals come here to feed their children, many many of them come for nefarious reasons.

mankai on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

What the Castilian leadership of Mexican government is working to do is export its uneducated, unskilled non-productive lower class to the United States. It would be like the U.S. encouraging the people in Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis and Newark to Illegally emigrate to Canada (therefore shifting our problems onto the Canadians.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 11:38 AM

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

So far your best argument is South Park?

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Damn those Canadians! LOLOL

gryphon202 on April 7, 2014 at 11:38 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:36 AM

The baby goes back with them, end of story. If they wanted what was best for the child, they would have came legally or had the child in their home nation.
Anchor babies are a creation of politics, not law. It could be ended simply. The constitution does not automatically grant anchor babies citizenship. As they are not under the law of the land.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 11:39 AM

What exactly is the problem with a bunch of low wage workers coming here? People keep saying there’s a problem, but it’s never really specified.

Another Libertarian Losertarian on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 11:40 AM

After we secure the border, lock it down, than we can implement other plans. right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

As promised… “Than” should be then.

Be a dick on grammar? Karma

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I will take 15 million illegals, before I accept a federal bureaucracy that will be born out of fear. Think of history when you think of federal policing policies…EPA? OSHA?

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:36 AM

It already exists. So, I guess it is too late for you.
I’ll take less than a million illegals and enforcing the existing laws.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 11:42 AM

It is an act of greed by the business elite to support flooding a depressed low skill job market with millions of poor Mexicans.

FrankT on April 7, 2014 at 11:42 AM

So far your best argument is South Park?

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:38 AM

No, but ya have to admit it is funny as heck!

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:43 AM

I agree with him and disagree with him. For starters: IT IS an act of love. Be serious guys, if you lived in the hell hole that is drug infested northern mexico would you stay and try to keep your family there? Or if you could not find a job and your family was starving, would you cross the border to find money for food?

eski502 on April 7, 2014 at 11:22 AM

You ready to review every case and potentially let most every father or mother who is in jail now free? You know how many “but MY crime was an act of love, too” appeals there are going to be?

“I had to rob that 7-11, my kids were hungry”, ad infinitum.

Sorry, but *bullshit*. You prove that they are all here because they were starving and had no other choice, then we’ll talk. Until then, this is just another f*cking strawman bullshit argument that attempts to excuse open and willful illegal behavior that began the day they crossed the border, and has been a daily breaking of the law every f*cking day they remain here – and that’s the baseline for every other illegal thing they’ve done that would simply layer on top of that – theft of service, driving without a license/insurance, etc.

F*ck. That. “Act of love” my f*cking a$$.

Midas on April 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM

What utter idiocy from Bush.

Jeb Bush is another McCain in the making. The last thing we want is another Bush. But a Frankensteinian mix of Bush / McCain? A nightmare beyond compare.

anotherJoe on April 7, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Plus Jeb is a huge supporter of Common Core and “compassionate conservatism.” So, how is Jeb any different from Hillary? At least Hillary gained her (dishonest) fortune on her own, not because her grandfather traded with the Nazis in the 1930s.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Should he run, I will not support him or any other statist Repuglican.
Amnesty, Obamacare and the Rule of Law are killer issues.
III

Sgt Stryker on April 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Right or wrong, we have to work with people to get something passed…that is so watered down now, I think all we should focus on is the task of the border.

If we lay out the argument, the logical one, that it is constitutional, practical, and “harms” no one, that securing the border is just that and nothing else…that will be a huge, huge win for our country.

After that, we can debate on how to deal with the social/legal issues of the existing illegals…but first keep our eyes on the real prize…securing the border.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:32 AM

The challenge that has to be overcome is the craven efforts of so many ‘progressive’ Democrats who have little compulsion to use illegal immigrants as props to achieve their fundamental reconstruction of the country.

They are the one’s who are trolling illegals for votes – and at least in LA County, there’s little effort made to hide the effort to encourage / justify further illegal actions in the name of ‘social justice’, or ‘fairness’. People are told they are ‘entitled’ to vote if they reside here, legally or not. Fraudulent documents are justified as being ‘necessary’ to ensure one’s ‘rights’…and that the real ‘victims’ are the illegals themselves.

The craven left wants little more than to trap these into a cycle of dependency, identical to the one created by LBJ when he ‘locked up the n—— vote for the next two hundred years’. They want those votes to ensure they have the electoral power to use / abuse…and will use whomever they have to to get it.

Any solution has to address the morally and ethically bankrupt efforts of the craven left.

Athos on April 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Sell.

Out.

KMC1 on April 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM

I want a commonsense solution because the immigration laws are too easily manipulated and exploited…but to this Texan none of this happens till we secure the border with boots on the ground and consistent enforcement.

I also like Gov. Perry’s idea of having a new 21st century Monroe Doctrine applied to our hemisphere. Mexico would whine but go along cause they need our trade. Dumping their OTM’s has gotta stop.
Perry said our border security might have to extend to Guatemala…which is probably true and folks need to prepare for that because Mexico is lurching towards a failed state status as the drug cartels squat in the northern states.

But I’m a Texan.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Isn’t “follow the law” a pretty common-sense approach? Why do people have to make it so complicated?

gryphon202 on April 7, 2014 at 11:28 AM

LULAC…La Raza…ACLU…Amnesty International….

A slew of these folks show up all the time.

Example:

Texas cut off the water and the electricity to the colonias along the border because these are basically illegal squatter camps and Texas had the law behind them.

What happens is A-holes (both anglo and hispanic) sell or rent property to illegals in the colonias…these illegals are sometimes exploited (some think they are following the law) and some of these illegals exploit the laws knowingly but hope they don’t get caught.

It’s a mess.

How did Texas make out in the end?

We were forced to continue providing water and electricity and improve schools for the kiddoes.

We have an opportunity to deal with Mexico in a favorable way for our interests and theirs since PEMEX is open to foreign investment.

Mexico could use American knowhow and moola to rebuild their infrastructure etc. and they badly need it or they’ll go to the Chinese or Russians for aid.

A smart conservative president could swing that without disrupting trade…maybe a successful conservative Governor from Texas?

We have shared interests with Mexico…because Mexico herself is being invaded by OTM’s and they’re shifting the illegal traffic….But this is gonna stop because it has to.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Depends on which level of middle class you’re describing.

A lot of small businesses hire illegals.

A lot of middle class folks hire illegals to mow their lawns…cleanup after them or nanny their kids etc.

Truth is like Obamacare most folks don’t care or don’t pay attention till it directly affects them personally.

As long as many locals governments turns a blind eye and fails to enforce immigration, middle class folk will hire those that will be willing to do the jobs offered, no questions asked on immigration status, what could they do anyway?

Some simply prefer illegals if they know or suspect, cause they may be more dependable in needing the money, and will work for less.

hawkeye54 on April 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Illegals are not going to pay a fine and employers are still going to hire undocumented workers because they are cheaper. “Immigration reform” is really just a way to add democrat voters. Illegals already receive welfare, free medical care, free schooling for their children and food stamps. What incentive do they have to be legal? The only way to handle the illegal immigration problem is to seal the border, cut all public assistance to them and close down businesses who employ them. And make it a felony to knowingly hire an illegal. The elites would be hardest hit.

fight like a girl on April 7, 2014 at 11:46 AM

“It’s an act of love.” – Jeb Bush

Make me throw up. Jeb have you no shame? Me explaining it to you is like talking to a brick wall.

The pro amnesty folks talk in flowery, emotional talk and suggest that the other side is not compassionate about the plight of migrants.

Who cries for the illegal aliens who are paid slave wages and work in sub-human conditions? I’m sure the employers are more than happy to exploit them.

What about the legal residents at the lower end of the economic spectrum who must compete for lowered wages due to an increase supply of labor thanks to illegal aliens?

Does the Left and the pro amnesty nuts ever understand why Cesar Chavez was against illegal immigration?

How bout the fact that Mexico does not give a darn about the illegal aliens coming through their country from Central America?

Where is the care for little Johnny and Janie who only wish to have a decent education but find it difficult as resources are sent off to fund ESL and school lunches for the children of campesinos?

You want to express love to the campesinos, Jeb? Stop using them as political pawns. They are human beings. Ask yourself why are people fleeing Mexico and other countries? Fix the problem at the source. Mexico is corrupt and socialist. You want to have the United States Government involved somehow, Mr. Bush? Do a Marshall Plan on Mexico. Fight the corruption! Fight the drugs! Fight the reasons why people are leaving the country.

Perhaps you can get a good idea why American middle class folks are leaving California and if you can fix California (I know, I know about the naysayers and their smartalec comments about my beloved state) then you can sure as heck fix Mexico.

Get to it, Jeb. Your own Mexican wife Columba may give you insight, perhaps. FIX MEXICO AND YOU FIX OUR IMMIGRATION PROBLEM!

islandman78 on April 7, 2014 at 11:47 AM

As long as many locals governments turns a blind eye and fails to enforce immigration, middle class folk will hire those that will be willing to do the jobs offered, no questions asked on immigration status, what could they do anyway?

Some simply prefer illegals if they know or suspect, cause they may be more dependable in needing the money, and will work for less.

hawkeye54 on April 7, 2014 at 11:45 AM

The problem is systemic.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Indeed, Resist, you are parroting Democratic talking points from the Civil War far more than you are parroting Republican talking points from Abe Lincoln:

When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.” When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy [sic].

unclesmrgol on April 7, 2014 at 10:39 AM

I am not parroting anything. Read this – from my personal experience:

A Fair Warning To Those Promoting Open Borders, Amnesty, & Free Immigration

And…

The Truth At Last! Peter Mandelson Admits Labour ‘Sent Out Search Parties’ To Bring Migrants Here After Losing The Votes Of The Working Class

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM

F*ck. That. “Act of love” my f*cking a$$.

Midas on April 7, 2014 at 11:44 AM

You may want to rethink that quote… just saying..

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Kind of like a “crime of passion,” Jeb?

What a putz.

dpduq on April 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM

The proposal last year did make a good effort at finding a middle ground.

TOTAL BS, Ed.

Immediate guaranteed amnesty for every illegal alien and their extended families, with only a PROMISE of enforcement, is a disaster for the country.

HERE is the middle ground; 63% of blacks, 62% of Republicans, 60% of Independents, 50% of Democrats, and 40% of Hispanics want attrition through enforcement, NOT amnesty, and NOT mass deportations.

http://www.jmisys.com/immigrationmarches/zogby5.html

Note that polls are only meaningful and honest when you offer ALL THREE choices. Stop looking at polls that offer the false dichotomy of 4 flavors of amnesty versus mass deportation, ignoring the most popular policy — WHERE AND WHEN it is tried:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxe1WO27B_I

fred5678 on April 7, 2014 at 11:48 AM

True. However, on the bright side, it took us a Carter to get a Reagan.

And, since Obama is Carter on anabolic steroids…

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 11:34 AM

On the dark side, if Obama remains in office for the remainder of his term, even if the GOP regains majority in both houses…..we may be too far gone for any semblance of another Reagan to be of much use.

hawkeye54 on April 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM

The problem is systemic.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Absolutely.

hawkeye54 on April 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Stop using it because he supported it and was right?

Nice try, but his pathway was the correct way…we just need to make it work.

[right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:06 AM]

LOLOL. This is what I mean about gibberish. You have no interest in thinking. Bald assertions about it being the correct way and the right way or the right thing to do just puts you in with the kindergarteners who haven’t developed the ability to reason.

Saying it ten times does not make it right-er. Posting ten times as much as everyone else doesn’t make your argument stronger.

There are a few reasons for amnestying the illegals, but those reasons are confined to only benefit the illegals, while hurting everyone else, both Americans, and foreigners wishing to come here, for a myriad of reasons, the greatest in my opinion is the unfair treatment of them and violates the common good of society. And it is bad for the country, in that, among other things, it violates the rule of law, and it establishes a precedent for buying off the government by big business particularly at the expense of American workers.

The illegals have had their stay at Disney World and it’s time for them to go home. If you want a correct way and a right way to address the pathway, then for every deported illegal, we bring in one additional (as in above and beyond the annual quota) good and righteous immigrant because he is law abiding immigrant and is patiently waiting in line. Maybe they can pass each other at the border and exchange house keys.

Dusty on April 7, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Indeed, Resist, you are parroting Democratic talking points from the Civil War far more than you are parroting Republican talking points from Abe Lincoln…

unclesmrgol on April 7, 2014 at 10:39 AM

I am not parroting anything. Read this – from my personal experience:

A Fair Warning To Those Promoting Open Borders, Amnesty, & Free Immigration

And…

The Truth At Last! Peter Mandelson Admits Labour ‘Sent Out Search Parties’ To Bring Migrants Here After Losing The Votes Of The Working Class

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 11:51 AM

To all you incredibly either stupid, uninformed, or just prejudiced people who attack Romney or lump him in with McCain and the other unqualified candidates run by the Republicans:

Mitt Romney courageously (whether you like that word or not; it’s true) was the FIRST major candidate in DECADES to stand up for the American people and run on, yes, run on “self-deportation”, for which lots of Republicans and other bleeding hearts criticized him. He could not have, WOULD not have, flip flopped on the issue because it would have been political and presidential suicide, after having been elected on an issue that the vast majority of Americans agreed with him on. He was to the RIGHT of all the pansy “conservatives” like Perry and Gingrich on the issue. AND he held had that position for years, having run against McCain on it. On top that, he had a great resume as a problem solver. He would have no doubt been immediately been working on jobs for Americans. While he DOES have some progressive views, he was firm on illegal immigration and amnesty. And that trumps everything. Amnesty is forever; it cannot be taken back; everything else can.

It is the low information voters like you guys, ostensibly Republicans, even conservatives, who demonized him and effectively reelected Obama. The irony of it is that we wouldn’t be having this discussion now, not on ANY conservative blog site (except maybe this one, run by illegal immigration squishes). And all those who are now up in arms over the prospect of an amnesty that may well pass, and destroy this country in the process, still cling to your erroneous and destructive judgments. What are. a sick bunch you are.

memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Jeb Bush is a dope. One way to ensure a Democrat victory in 2016 is to nominate him as the Republican candidate. I, for one, will never vote for him. He is part of the problem, not the solution.

loveyouall on April 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM

What the Castilian leadership of Mexican government is working to do is export its uneducated, unskilled non-productive lower class to the United States. It would be like the U.S. encouraging the people in Detroit, Cleveland, St. Louis and Newark to Illegally emigrate to Canada (therefore shifting our problems onto the Canadians.

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Some people see it as a form of ethnic cleansing.

The truth is it is a result of failed socialism throughout our southern hemisphere.

I know immigrants sponsored legally through the Catholic Church who immigrated so their kids could receive a decent catholic education…because Marxists drove the church out of their country. They follow the book and eventually become citizens but it takes them a long time and a lot of money.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:54 AM

The irony of it is that we wouldn’t be having this discussion now, not on ANY conservative blog site (except maybe this one, run by illegal immigration squishes).

Care to qualify that statement? Maybe just a Harry Reid drive by?

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM

It is the low information voters like you guys, ostensibly Republicans, even conservatives, who demonized him and effectively reelected Obama…

memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM

You are not just a fool, you are a blind imbecilic fool. Romney and his gang, the inner circle, admit that they lost the election.

He fought the conservatives in the primary harder than he fought obama.

After the first debate the election was his to lose. He did. Period.

Your claims are fake, unfounded and truly stupid.

obama never won in 2012. Romney lost.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 11:57 AM

This makes me sick. Illegal aliens steal resources paid for and meant for its LEGAL, taxpaying citizens. America is already overburdened with unemployed, low skilled Americans. In some states, illegals pay LESS for college than taxpaying, legal American citizens. A true act of love would be a show of patriotism on their part: to stay in their home countries, and improve it instead of invading and stealing within the USA.

Armyspouse on April 7, 2014 at 11:58 AM

For the record, I repeat. obama also didn’t win in 2012. The shenanigans in OH, the double-voting, Benghazi, the IRS…obama is NOT legitimate.

But, Romney let him get away with it, out of timidity in the 2nd and 3rd debates, and in general after the first one, being quiet on the trails and so forth.

History is what happened, not what anyone wishes it to be.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Jeb Bush is a dope. One way to ensure a Democrat victory in 2016 is to nominate him as the Republican candidate. I, for one, will never vote for him. He is part of the problem, not the solution.

loveyouall on April 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Sadly I concur, unless he runs against a democrat. Then all hope is lost.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 12:00 PM

The USA is not the limitless welfare pool for the world.

Go to Hell all you amnesty squishes. I hope you burn in the 10th layer, all the others being too cold for you.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Remove the “bad apples” and encourage the contributors to stay…I would say they are better here than many “legals” that we support in the projects…

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Well, since the illegitimacy rate among blacks is 71% and 53% (and rising) among what Jeb refers to as the “strong Hispanic family unit,” I don’t see much difference.

Source: U.S. Census Bureau

bw222 on April 7, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Hillary/Jeb, on the SquishyParty ticket, together.

Schadenfreude on April 7, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Mitt Romney courageously (whether you like that word or not; it’s true) was the FIRST major candidate in DECADES to stand up for the American people and run on, yes, run on “self-deportation”

memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM

DITTO!!

That’s why I volunteered weekends for 2 months for his campaign.

Saw him on Charlie Rose in May 2012 when Rose asked him what happens to the 11 million now here: “They have to go home.” He repeated the answer 3 times when challenged by the incredulous Rose.

Only problem, he should have used the gentler sounding “attrition through enforcement” instead of “self-deportation” in the debate.

And also he should have made an additional statement that he would represent the millions of unemployed American citizens and NOT foreign nationals.

fred5678 on April 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM

The pro amnesty folks talk in flowery, emotional talk and suggest that the other side is not compassionate about the plight of migrants.

[islandman78 on April 7, 2014 at 11:47 AM]

They do that to distract from seeing them sticking the cattle prod up the asses of American workers and law abiding foreigners who are patiently waiting in line to come here.

There is nothing compassionate about them.

Dusty on April 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Mitt Romney courageously (whether you like that word or not; it’s true) was the FIRST major candidate in DECADES to stand up for the American people and run on, yes, run on “self-deportation”, for which lots of Republicans and other bleeding hearts criticized him.

memyselfni on April 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Crapola.

Romney stole that idea from Gov. Perry.

Gov. Perry used that reasoning for years based on simple economics and understanding mexican culture. If Mexico’s economy is stronger most mexicans won’t come here illegally.

Recently Gov. Perry said this immigration debate as it’s being played out now will become passé as the Mexican economy improves by their decision to open up PEMEX.

Perry also thinks this provides an ideal opportunity for american educated dreamers entrepreneurs to help rebuild their country of origin.

For Gov. Perry the issue is National Security…Stability of Mexico and security at the Guatemalan border.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Thank goodness for us, we just witnessed the beginning and the end of that candidacy.

Who was it that said, he was the “smart one”?

De Oppresso Liber on April 7, 2014 at 12:04 PM

The real problem is that there are NO JOBS. This fretting about people being being here without their proper State-issued papers is an attempt to create a huge distraction from the abject failure of the ruling class.

This is a classic divide and conquer maneuver by failed parasites who have destroyed the system they fed upon. Now when nothing is left, people are encouraged to start hating each other and that hate starts across lines of affinity such as skin color and nationality.

But this isn’t going to solve the problem of ridding the system of parasites. The parasites will continue to chortle at the stupidity of the people who focus like a laser on the powerless- while the powerful continue to loot and destroy everything that made this country good.

Most of the people on this site would never begrudge a father or mother the opportunity to work for their family’s well-being. The idea that this is all just about who the government approves or denies distracts from the real argument. If that’s the case, why not just have the government declare everyone “legal”?

If there were no welfare state, nobody would care about this. If there were no artificially created scarcity, nobody would be talking about this at all. The only reason anyone cares about who works and who doesn’t is that we are all paying the price for a dead economy, under the rule of incompetents.

Another Libertarian on April 7, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Sneaking into a country in the hope of getting an EBT card (paid for by someone else) while jumping the line ahead of legal immigrants. Is not an “act of love” Jeb. It’s an act of greed and selfishness.

Hera on April 7, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Jeb Bush is a dope. One way to ensure a Democrat victory in 2016 is to nominate him as the Republican candidate. I, for one, will never vote for him. He is part of the problem, not the solution.

loveyouall on April 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Perhaps his candidacy would actually BE to ensure a Democrat victory, because he IS part of the problem, to most of us.

hawkeye54 on April 7, 2014 at 12:11 PM

This makes me sick. Illegal aliens steal resources paid for and meant for its LEGAL, taxpaying citizens. America is already overburdened with unemployed, low skilled Americans. In some states, illegals pay LESS for college than taxpaying, legal American citizens. A true act of love would be a show of patriotism on their part: to stay in their home countries, and improve it instead of invading and stealing within the USA.

Armyspouse on April 7, 2014 at 11:58 AM

I’m hoping that with reforms happening in Mexico many will do just that.

The US cannot afford Mexico as a failed state…and Mexico doesn’t have to become a failed state…Because Russia,China and Iran would exploit that to their benefit.

Right now the Drug Cartel Wars are being driven by non-mexican invasive gangs…and these cartels are expanding their illegal activities including siphoning off gas from PEMEX pipelines to sell on the black market to China as well as human trafficking etc…

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 12:12 PM

What exactly is the problem with a bunch of low wage workers coming here? People keep saying there’s a problem, but it’s never really specified.

Another Libertarian on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

There is a reason places like Australia only allow educated/skilled workers in. With the “low-wage” workers comes crime and dependency. While a certain amount of starter workers are needed at lower wages, a glut of such workers is a strain on the system and keeps wages low. Immigration should be heavily CONTROLLED. Even if starter workers are desired, the influx should be measured and the applicants screened.

Part of the reason Europe started dying while the US thrived was the brain-drain from Europe to the US. Ideas, innovation, entrepreneurial spirit, etc. is what you want… not people who put used toilet paper on the floor with a collective IQ of 7.

mankai on April 7, 2014 at 12:13 PM

amnesty didn’t work the 6 or so other times but this time it will because you just know we’ll do it right this time.
idiots.
and we can deport them if we wanted but pu$$ies get scared of that word.

dmacleo on April 7, 2014 at 12:14 PM

The real problem is that there are NO JOBS. This fretting about people being being here without their proper State-issued papers is an attempt to create a huge distraction from the abject failure of the ruling class.Another Libertarian on April 7, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Wow, create a problem then present yourself as the only solution to the problem. Where have I heard that before?

Just so you know, history didn’t start the day you were born.

You make a few (very few) valid points. My unwanted advice to you would be to study history.

Those that choose to ignore it are doomed to repeat it…

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I’m sure the same could be said about some bank robbers.

Cindy Munford on April 7, 2014 at 12:16 PM

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