Bush: Illegal immigration an “act of love,” not a felony

posted at 9:21 am on April 7, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

“I’m going to say this, and it’ll be on tape,” former Florida Governor Jeb Bush told an audience at his father’s presidential library this weekend, adding with a shrug, “So be it.” Asked about immigration policy at the forum, Bush responded that the US has to implement a system to find illegal immigrants and ask them to leave, along with better border controls, but that we should not overreact to illegal immigration when it occurs. It’s “an act of love,” Bush argued, “not a felony”:

On immigration, he said that many of those who illegally come to the United States do so out of an “act of love” for their families and should be treated differently than people who illegally cross U.S. borders or overstay visas. He said that a bipartisan bill passed by the Senate last year made “a good effort” at proposing ways to ensure that people overstaying visas leave the country.

“A great country ought to know where those folks are and politely ask them to leave,” he said, adding later that properly targeting people who overstay visas “would restore people’s confidence” in the nation’s immigration system.

But most people who illegally enter the United States do so “because they couldn’t come legally, they come to our country because their families — the dad who loved their children — was worried that their children didn’t have food on the table,” Bush said. “And they wanted to make sure their family was intact, and they crossed the border because they had no other means to work to be able to provide for their family. Yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love. It’s an act of commitment to your family. I honestly think that that is a different kind of crime that there should be a price paid, but it shouldn’t rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families.”

The proposal last year did make a good effort at finding a middle ground. The problem wasn’t the bill as much as it was who it trusted to enforce it. The problem for those supporting a staged system of comprehensive immigration reform is the Obama administration, which has proven its disregard for statutory law in ObamaCare — the bill it promoted — especially when it comes to statutory deadlines and enforcement. If we can’t trust this White House to stick with deadlines for mandates it really wants, how can we trust it to stick with the phased-in approach to normalization based on objective border- and visa-security metrics, even if those involve Congressional approval? After all, the employer mandates and IRS penalties were hard-wired into the ObamaCare statute, and Obama had no problem using his phone and his pen to ignore those.

Republicans aren’t going to get border and visa reform without coming up with ways to normalize those who have lived in the US for a significant period of time, and Democrats won’t get the latter without the former — unless Obama is still President when reform passes. That’s the issue even for those who support a compromise. The GOP trusted Democrats in 1986 when there was a lot more reason to do so, and got stiffed on the border and visa reforms. They’re not going to offer that level of trust with an executive branch that has demonstrated its untrustworthiness repeatedly over the last four years on ObamaCare, and Barack Obama’s declared ambitions to govern through EOs and regulation while bypassing Congress.

Bush says he will decide on whether to run for President by the end of the year, which means that … he’s just like everyone else in that regard. Whether he chooses to run depends on whether he can try running a different kind of campaign:

In a rambling answer that suggested he has given serious thought to the prospects of running for a job once held by his father and brother, Bush said he would decide whether to run for president by the end of this year. He appeared to bemoan the thought of having to spend time attending political cattle calls in early-primary states, suggesting that some candidates might devote too much time to questions such as, “How am I going to get to win the Muscatine Pork Roast straw poll, or something like that.”

Bush said he ultimately would base his decision on whether a candidate can “run with a hopeful, optimistic message, hopefully with enough detail to give people a sense that it’s not just idle words and not get back into the vortex of the mud fight.”

Good luck on that score.  The last innovator in a presidential primary was Rudy Giuliani, who thought he could skip over some of the traditional “here and now” states to win big in Bush’s Florida backyard, and that … didn’t work out so well.


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Bush makes Romney look like Jefferson.

mankai on April 7, 2014 at 10:13 AM

I guess I could always convert…

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 10:11 AM

You should.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM

He will deem US border control and immigration laws unconstitutional like he did with the DOMA and refuse to enforce them. Pretty simple actually.

The Republicans will do nothing to stop it.

Johnnyreb on April 7, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Obama already refuses to enforce U.S. immigration laws, so it won’t be much different from what he’s been doing since he took office.

And the Republicans have been letting him get away with it. The only consequence Obama has had to “worry” about is getting a strongly-worded letter of protest from Jeff Sessions.

AZCoyote on April 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM

The illegal invasion is an act of war and Bush’s words are an act of treason.

Buddahpundit on April 7, 2014 at 10:04 AM

.
Best (and “strongest”) damn statement, so far . . . . . and totally true.

listens2glenn on April 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM

see your point but proceedings can’t even be started unless GOP wins.

I guess we’ll see.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Impeachment proceedings begin in the House, which the GOP currently holds. My point is that it takes an overwhelming angry populace to successfully convict and remove. Nixon would have been impeached, convicted, and removed. Yes, the Democrats controlled Congress, but it was because he lost his own Party due to the animus of the country that he resigned. In fact, Barry Goldwater and a couple of other high-ranking Republican ‘elders’ went to the White House and told Nixon he could either resign or he would be convicted. The Dems did not have 67 seats in the Senate. They needed the Republicans…and they got them and it was all possible because of the national outrage.

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM

But most people who illegally enter the United States do so “because they couldn’t come legally,..

When did we get rid of our Immigration Policy?

Whiterock on April 7, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Jeb’s toast, for several reasons. Sneaking across our borders “for a better life…as an act of love” ignores that that “better life” begins, and probably ends, with thousands of dollars of taxpayer subsidized welfare. It really is an act of self-serving lawlessness. If the person was an Anglo sneaking into Mexico, he would be robbed by the cops, beaten (and raped, if female), then tossed into a hellhole for months before being poured back across the border, if still alive. And, Jeb seems to be living in the bygone Age of Bi-partisanship. Thanks to The One and his minions in the Senate and their demagoguery, lies, rules breaking, demonizing of any opposition, etc., Jeb must be living in La-La Land if he thinks he can ‘work’ with ‘people’ in forging true, bipartisan legislation – unless he thinks he can get at least one Rino to go along with what the dems want. Toss in an entire Bureaucracy captured by lawless Leftist political hacks and, well, you see what I mean. I’m just glad I won’t live long enough to experience the total demise of our Constitutional Republic – yeah, I know, so are the trolls.

vnvet on April 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

I agree with everything except the first sentence. You’d think he’s toast, but after Dole, Bush, McCain and Romney, I’m thinking he has the inside track.

mankai on April 7, 2014 at 10:17 AM

My take.

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 10:19 AM

The people who think all of the illegals are “monsters”, have no idea, I would bet the majority have never worked side by side.

Most come to improve their life, and the people whining about them, I would also bet they would not be the type to risk their lives to provide a better life for their family.

Jeb is right, we should be more civilized and better organized in removing them.

These are people, not unlike our ancestors, who came to escape. What do you think WOP means, without papers, they were illegal.

Remove the “bad apples” and encourage the contributors to stay…I would say they are better here than many “legals” that we support in the projects…

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM

It isn’t so much the policy position — everyone knows Jeb is an amnesty guy. It’s the arrogance, the didactic tone: “I’m going to say this, and I’ll be on tape.” It translates to: “I’m going to instruct you because you don’t understand the deep moral arguments here, and by the way, if you disagree with me, you’re immoral.” No, Jeb. It’s just your opinion. And you’re wrong. And you’re also insulting. And I will never, ever vote for you.

Rational Thought on April 7, 2014 at 10:21 AM

U

nlawful immigration is unacceptable. Those who should not be here will be required to leave.

– Barbara Jordan (D) Representative, Texas, Chairperson, The last bipartisan U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform, Appointed by President Bill Clinton

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 10:22 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Reward them for breaking our laws, huh?

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 10:23 AM

When did we get rid of our Immigration Policy?

Whiterock on April 7, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Our “legal” immigration system is so broke, it encourages illegal entry.

It’s like the oppressive taxation by England, the “illegal” black market prospered…like prohibition, it created dynasties like the Kennedy’s.

I would like to think that most of us would try to find a way into the U.S. if we were some of these people…legal or not, we would find some way to help our family.

Just like our ancestors did…

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:23 AM

[DaTechGuy on DaRadio on April 7, 2014 at 10:05 AM]

I think it’s facile and sophomoric treacle but not racist, even if it fits well with the Left’s idea of racist thinking.

But then to the Left everything is racist thinking, the only outstanding issue being whether it is to their benefit to denounce it or not.

Dusty on April 7, 2014 at 10:24 AM

The people who think all of the illegals are “monsters”, have no idea, I would bet the majority have never worked side by side.

yer strawman is burning brightly right2bright

DanMan on April 7, 2014 at 10:25 AM

voting “No” for this guy and sending him to his family will be an act of love.

Oil Can on April 7, 2014 at 10:27 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Reward them for breaking our laws, huh?

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Where did I say “reward”, huh?

You guys think their is only one solution, and you lump these guys into rapists or other violent criminals.

Jaywalkin is illegal, guess what is “illegal” loafing at a job, coming in late, taking paper clips home…get it?

Look at what they are breaking, a broken system…of course during prohibition you should have thrown everyone who took a drink into jail…they broke the law.

No, the law was broken, our immigration laws are broken.

Fix the “fence”, fix the laws, than deal with the troublemakers…but leave the good and righteous alone.

The contributors are the ones who risked their lives to better their family lives…and you would have done the same, or you would be stuck in a system and your family would suffer because you don’t have the fortitude that they had.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Your position once again reminds me of how much of a sucker that I was for expending the time, perseverance, and money to become a legal American citizen.

I should’ve just hopped a fence. Then, people like you, Jebbie, and the Democrats would have considered me noble.

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM

I have met several, and they are nice enough individually.
That being said;
they come to our nation uninvited or over stay their invites.
they use our welfare system.
they undercut our workers.
they undercut rule of law.
they demand we cater to their deficiencies, “press 1 for English”…
when they group up they talk about retaking parts of the USA they think Mexico should still own.
they degrade the school systems.
they bring diseases with them.
they ruin neighborhoods with their over crowding.
they ruin neighborhoods with their gang memberships.
they bring drugs across the border and end up with ties to drug cartels that are not easily broken.
they bring with them third world ideals and socialist goals.
they do not assimilate.

Nice enough as individuals does not undo the rest of the damage that they cause.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM

I guess I could always convert…

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 10:11 AM

.
Not sure what you (and everyone else who uses that word) mean by “convert”.

You need to accept Jesus Christ as Savior and LORD.

That goes way beyond ‘converting’.

listens2glenn on April 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM

yer strawman is burning brightly right2bright

DanMan on April 7, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Before throwing out a platitude that you have seen posted and can hardly wait to play the “strawman” card…try to be a little more intelligent and actually argue the point.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Criminals come here because they love criminals that are already here?

Oh, well, in that case I guess it’s OK then.

Oxymoron on April 7, 2014 at 10:29 AM

[Rational Thought on April 7, 2014 at 10:21 AM]

Yeah, that was irksome. Can anyone tell if the the video is edited such that they snipped the part where he flashed his Absolute Moral Authority Card?

Dusty on April 7, 2014 at 10:30 AM

And La Raza is a manifestation of that love.

The GOP establishment is more cynical even than the Democrats in their seeking to delude Americans with their self-serving lies.

Love? Los illegales don’t seem to love us very much, and — correct me if I am wrong but — we are Americans and it is we who define our nation. Los illegales love only the dinero they get thanks to the Chamber of Commerce y la teta gubermental.

Nomennovum on April 7, 2014 at 10:33 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM

“good and righteous? Well, if they’re “good and righteous”, then they realize that they should be penalized for breaking our laws.

Another thing…

When these “new Americans” achieve the right to vote, are they all going to vote Democrat, so that they can receive more FREE STUFF? Is the Republican Party shooting themselves in both feet by pushing an outcome which will simply add new Democratic Voters? As I asked in the first point, will they honestly embrace our sovereign nation as their new home? Or, will they remain loyal to Mexico?

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Nice enough as individuals does not undo the rest of the damage that they cause.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM

They demand to have “dial 1″, my, my, arent’ you a little touchy.

Show me where they demanded that, your bias is showing when you go off the deep end.

By the way, the same thing was said of the Irish, and the Italians, exactly the same thing.

Overcrowding, drinking, disease, gangs….ooooooohhhh! Those scummy Irish, why they will ruin out nation, rape our women, those young scallions won’t even go to school, not smart enough, low lifes…

History is full of your kind…and our American history is full of “illegals”…just ask the Irish, Italian’s, Poles, Armenian’s, Chinese, all of them scum, ruinous people, that will destroy America…

Yeah, history is full of your kind…

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM

see your point but proceedings can’t even be started unless GOP wins.

I guess we’ll see.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Impeachment proceedings begin in the House, which the GOP currently holds. My point is that it takes an overwhelming angry populace to successfully convict and remove. Nixon would have been impeached, convicted, and removed. Yes, the Democrats controlled Congress, but it was because he lost his own Party due to the animus of the country that he resigned. In fact, Barry Goldwater and a couple of other high-ranking Republican ‘elders’ went to the White House and told Nixon he could either resign or he would be convicted. The Dems did not have 67 seats in the Senate. They needed the Republicans…and they got them and it was all possible because of the national outrage.

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM

I know impeachment proceedings begin in the house.

Your point is about successful conviction and removal.

My point is more about the political ramifications of initiating proceedings which I think have a better chance if GOP wins majority in Senate and maintains majority in the House.

More or less the steady drip…

The swell of popular anger in the electorate has been quelled due to manipulation of coverage by the media of the scandals at every level of government.

People feel the effects of these policies but most voters don’t understand them beyond the pablum fed to them by the media.

If the GOP sweeps I expect loads of people in the Obama administration to leave…starting with Eric Holder.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 10:35 AM

You should.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM

and

Not sure what you (and everyone else who uses that word) mean by “convert”.

You need to accept Jesus Christ as Savior and LORD.

That goes way beyond ‘converting’.

listens2glenn on April 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Thank you for thinking for my soul. It is truly appreciated, but I have way too many sins I haven’t committed yet to give up so easily.

Y’all get off topic, but the concept is appreciated. :-)

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Our “legal” immigration system is so broke, it encourages illegal entry.

not2bright

And people wonder why this country is so screwed up. You’re a perfect example of why we need fewer illegals. We have enough trouble dealing with the not-too-bright legals.

xblade on April 7, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Most come to improve their life, and the people whining about them, I would also bet they would not be the type to risk their lives to provide a better life for their family.

Ideally, the people who come are law-abiding and want to do what is right and do what is legal. There are thousands waiting in line doing “the right thing” legally and are frustrated by the line breakers. It’s not the way to start off in your new country-breaking the law.

I do believe there is a majority who understand the reason many come to this country and are compassionate of those who only want to make their lives better, earn a living and support their families. That’s the way people in the past immigrated to this country. That doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. I blame our bleeding heart liberal friends and lawyers who want to give away the store with automatic citizenship, free medical care, welfare subsidies, and in essence, become Mexico’s social welfare system. No wonder the Mexican President encourages his people to cross the border.

And, let’s not forget the mass of criminals who could care less about becoming an American but only want to ply their trade here where the pickings are good.

The Democrat’s and most politicians could care less about these people. They cry crocodile tears but their only motivation is to keep their party in power by offering more “freebies” and buying votes for the next few generations (if the country can withstand the onslaught).

iamsaved on April 7, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Bush misunderstands we are first and foremost a nation of laws.

Tater Salad on April 7, 2014 at 10:38 AM

I love my family and friends and want the best for them. Now that love transcends the law, I’ll go out and rob a bank so that I may support them in the manned that my love for them demands. It’s comforting to know that I wont be sent to prison.

Woody

woodcdi on April 7, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Another thing…

When these “new Americans” achieve the right to vote, are they all going to vote Democrat, so that they can receive more FREE STUFF? Is the Republican Party shooting themselves in both feet by pushing an outcome which will simply add new Democratic Voters? As I asked in the first point, will they honestly embrace our sovereign nation as their new home? Or, will they remain loyal to Mexico?

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM

I have no problem “penalizing” illegals.

And they will embrace us, I have seen it, half will be dems, half will be Republicans, just like most other people…

As far as how they vote? The wrong way to look at laws is how they affect votes, you are the problem with that mentality.

That is what made Reagan so great, he went against the grain, he chose the “right” way to go, the way that best served the people, not who he was trying to sway.

That is why is initial program of handling immigrants was so valid, and why the liberal/dems worked so hard to undermine it.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Good for Mr. Bush.

Civil Rights Commission: “Granting Illegal Immigrants Effective Amnesty Would ‘Harm Lower-Skilled African-Americans’”

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 10:30 AM

The same argument was made by the Democrats to the Irish about the Blacks during the Civil War.

When the draft began in the City, working-class whites, largely Irish, responded in violent riots July 13 to 16, lynching, beating, and hacking to death more than 100 black New Yorkers and burning down black-owned businesses and institutions, including an orphanage for 233 black children. On August 19, 1864, John Mullaly was arrested for inciting resistance to the draft.

Indeed, Resist, you are parroting Democratic talking points from the Civil War far more than you are parroting Republican talking points from Abe Lincoln:

When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.” When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy [sic].

unclesmrgol on April 7, 2014 at 10:39 AM

The act of love that dare not speak its name? Wait. Wrong thread.

Fallon on April 7, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Nice enough as individuals does not undo the rest of the damage that they cause.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Good list and a perfect summary.

Oil Can on April 7, 2014 at 10:39 AM

I love my family and friends and want the best for them. Now that love transcends the law, I’ll go out and rob a bank so that I may support them in the manned that my love for them demands. It’s comforting to know that I wont be sent to prison.

Woody

Sarcasm I hope…

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Would Jebbie ‘politely’ ask a burglar to leave his home?

After all, the burglar could be acting out of love for his family?

Resist We Much on April 7, 2014 at 9:54 AM

RWM, the problem I have a hard time reconciling is that a lot of folks did invite them to come in during the many years of the construction boom. I was in sheeting and shoring (imagine pile driving, 50’ cuts to pour foundations for water treatment plants, tie-backs) in the early ‘90s and good labour was scarce. Now, all my employees had to correctly fill out I-9’s, have valid DL’s and transportation and auto insurance, and they were paid by check with all Federal and State withholdings. No duplicate SSN were allowed. Now, when an illegal tried to be hired, I will be honest and tell you I turned them away and did not call INS or such.

Many of my competitors did hire illegals and my point is that when the economy was booming a lot of folks did in fact look the other way. I do realize that the issue of anchor babies and the growth of the welfare state have changed the financial landscape and burden illegals place on us taxpayers.

Thus many people/groups are at fault for the now 11 million plus that are here now illegally. Now that times are bad, jobs are scarce, deficits are the norm, we are now going to do what…..deport 11 million folks?

We did try that in the 1954 in Operation “WB”. Before I get banned….that was the name of the program run by INS, oversaw by Gen Joseph Swing, and coordinated with the Mexican government. Thus, deportation will work if you judge from the past. If I remember over 2 million were deported. What the problem was at the time is that more were still entering the US illegally.

I type all this not to start an argument, but to start a dialogue with fair and intelligent folks like you. I realize that many here did not “look the other way”, but many folks did in fact turn a blind eye to the problem. I know this is a touchy issue and I have not given my take of the subject yet, but I would like to hear solutions to this growing problem from folks here.

Who they vote for, how much will amnesty cost us, how will America change with such an influx of new citizens, the problems with chain immigration, the problems with allowing millions of poor and undereducated folks in, the problem that most these folks are used to some form of socialism……I do get the problems. But, what I would like to see is ideas discussed about the solution.

Maybe mass deportation is the answer, but I still have a problem with that being the only solution since we did allow so many to enter illegally.

I know I am setting myself up for a spanking just for asking, but I would like to hear concrete solutions.

HonestLib on April 7, 2014 at 10:41 AM

When did we get rid of our Immigration Policy?

Whiterock on April 7, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Sometime after Eisenhower?

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 10:41 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:39 AM

+1000

unclesmrgol on April 7, 2014 at 10:41 AM

I agree with everything except the first sentence. You’d think he’s toast, but after Dole, Bush, McCain and Romney, I’m thinking he has the inside track.

mankai on April 7, 2014 at 10:17 AM

I wish you were wrong, but He’s a GOPe wet dream.

Quartermaster on April 7, 2014 at 10:42 AM

And people wonder why this country is so screwed up. You’re a perfect example of why we need fewer illegals. We have enough trouble dealing with the not-too-bright legals.

xblade on April 7, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Oh, I see, and you think our immigration laws, the way they are applied, our immigration program is just dandy?

Yeah, who is the one not so bright?

You know what is great about America? This isn’t for you, it’s for others that will be able to comprehend.

Sometime to fix a law, you have to break it…and in America, you normally are not killed for breaking a bad law.

Prohibition, Jim Crow, immigration…people suffer sometimes so others can succeed.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Oh yeah… if the GOP sweeps congress… Obama is going to go even further left like a cornered rat. I would not be surprised… but I also think the Democrat Senate and House controlled by Boehner will lunge toward the left after the November election. In between November and Jan… I expect Boehner to help the Democrats as much as he can.

I’m starting to realize the danger in this transition period after elections. Our founders made a big mistake here…. I now believe if you lost the election you need to leave office right away.

JellyToast on April 7, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Yeah, for the same reason that if you get fired, your boss isn’t going to let you take two months to pack up your stuff and leave; most companies will insist on escorting you off the premises immediately.

Aitch748 on April 7, 2014 at 10:42 AM

God help us if the GOP decide to run this lite version of Romney. When will they ever learn.

RdLake on April 7, 2014 at 10:43 AM

<blockquote My take.

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 10:19 AM

As always, KJ, you are so right!

texgal on April 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM

[right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM]

They are not good and righteous. They are law breakers. They’ve stolen and delayed the right of law abiding prospective immigrants to come here. Do you for a moment think that the limited annual immigration quotas would have stayed on the books the way they were and are — the system which you now say is broken — for more than five years after the last amnesty, if the border had been closed as promised and illegals promptly and routinely deported for their illegal entry?

No, the quotas would have been changed posthaste. But because of the illegals, the law abiding have been disenfranchised of their right to come here for almost two decade.

There is no honor, there. There is no good and righteous, there. Hell, there is extremely little love of our country, there. There was just greed and envy.

Dusty on April 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM

yer strawman is burning brightly right2bright

DanMan on April 7, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Before throwing out a platitude that you have seen posted and can hardly wait to play the “strawman” card…try to be a little more intelligent and actually argue the point.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:29 AM

LOL. Your argument was the very definition of a strawman, r2b. You took a position that no one was making (i.e. all illegal aliens are monsters), and argued against it.

And why should DanMan waste his time arguing a bogus point that no one (but you) was making?

AZCoyote on April 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Who they vote for, how much will amnesty cost us, how will America change with such an influx of new citizens, the problems with chain immigration, the problems with allowing millions of poor and undereducated folks in, the problem that most these folks are used to some form of socialism……I do get the problems. But, what I would like to see is ideas discussed about the solution.

Maybe mass deportation is the answer, but I still have a problem with that being the only solution since we did allow so many to enter illegally.

I know I am setting myself up for a spanking just for asking, but I would like to hear concrete solutions.

HonestLib on April 7, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Politicians are putting the cart before the horse.

First secure the border and enforce that security consistently with boots on the ground…This can be done without disrupting trade.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM

That is what made Reagan so great, he went against the grain, he chose the “right” way to go, the way that best served the people, not who he was trying to sway.

That is why is initial program of handling immigrants was so valid, and why the liberal/dems worked so hard to undermine it.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:39 AM

IIRC, Reagan said that immigration bill was one of his biggest mistakes.

LashRambo on April 7, 2014 at 10:45 AM

God help us if the GOP decide to run this lite version of Romney. When will they ever learn.

RdLake on April 7, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Not if history is any guide.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 10:45 AM

When the Saudis flew planes into buildings, that was an act of love too. Love for Allah and oppressed Muslims. Other peoples love isn’t important or beneficial.

I thought Jeb was the “smart” one.

BL@KBIRD on April 7, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Well, I think I’m going to steal me a new BMW today. Nottoobright says it’s okay because the car buying system is broken and prevents me from getting a brand new BMW the right way. And then I’m going to rob a bank, and maybe sell a few bags of crack. Those are okay too because I’m just trying to feed my family just like the Chinese and the Irish, lol.

Moron, lol.

xblade on April 7, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Maybe mass deportation is the answer, but I still have a problem with that being the only solution since we did allow so many to enter illegally.

I know I am setting myself up for a spanking just for asking, but I would like to hear concrete solutions.

HonestLib on April 7, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Mass deportation can’t happen…it won’t, can’t work.

Reagan had a pathway…penalty, schooling, time at a job, it was a logical, practical and compassionate, pathway…

Not amnesty, but a pathway.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:47 AM

I guess we really do need them to raise our children and take care of our lawns.

ctmom on April 7, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Bush: Illegal immigration an “act of love,” not a felony

And just like Perry’s “you don’t have a heart,” comment… Bush just lost any consideration I might have given him.

Who are the ones who have told us that we elected the ‘lesser’ Bush brother? I wonder if they still feel the same way…

Ukiah on April 7, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Nomennovum on April 7, 2014 at 9:41 AM

No doubt you are in favor of legalizing that stuff you smoke!

tomshup on April 7, 2014 at 10:50 AM

IIRC, Reagan said that immigration bill was one of his biggest mistakes.

LashRambo on April 7, 2014 at 10:45 AM

If only because he trusted the lying dems to uphold their end of the deal which they failed to do, deliberately so, IIRC.

hawkeye54 on April 7, 2014 at 10:50 AM

@right2bright: You certainly are rewarding millions of people whose sole distinguishing merit is that they happened to live next door in a country that also happens to bear us a 170 year old grudge.

BTW, are you claiming that every “wøp” in this country is or is descended from illegals? Because it sounds more to me as if the epithet was just popularly applied to all Italians whether legal or not, just as the word “kîke” was applied to all Jews because those who couldn’t write in romanized script signed their names with an “o” instead of a “x”.

Seth Halpern on April 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM

In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.

All this good lovin’ is costing American citizens out the wazoo.

I wouldn’t/didn’t financially support my own kids love life, so I sure don’t want to support anyone else’s.

lynncgb on April 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Moron, lol.

xblade on April 7, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Try and learn the word “discernment”, if you think stealing a BMW is the same as a man seeking to create a life for his family…you are not so educated.

Pal, call me all the names you want, if that is how you want to argue a point.

And use foolish examples, if that is all you got.

I would suggest you go back to school, and read about the Irish immigrants, the Italian immigrants, the “Chinks”, and see that they were treated the same way, by people just like you.

Lumping all “law breakers” in as the same is a weak argument, but I imagine the best you have.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM

The motive for violating the borders of a sovereign nation are irrelevant. Coming to this country illegally and taking full advantage of a giving society is a crime and

is

a felony. The motive for any crime is not an excuse for that crime. Is it O.K. to rape if your just horny? To steal food because you have no money left on your EBT card? Committing a crime out of love, lust, hunger or any other reason does not mitigate the fact that it is a crime. And we are supposed to punish criminals. Aren’t we??

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM

texgal on April 7, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Thank you kindly, ma’am!

kingsjester on April 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Guess I should have previewed that post…oh well… I’m new…

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Mass deportation can’t happen…it won’t, can’t work.

Reagan had a pathway…penalty, schooling, time at a job, it was a logical, practical and compassionate, pathway…

Not amnesty, but a pathway.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Nobody is seriously discussing mass-deportation, but we are discussing enforcing current law. If you work with attrition, if you enforce our current laws, if you increase border security and actually provide oversight on work visas etc, if you actually try to curb identity theft, and abuse of our entitlement system… the problem will take care of itself.

Right now it’s because it is ridiculously easy to break the law and have some politicians actually pat you on the back for doing so… why would anyone bother?

As for a pathway to citizenship, we already have the most generous legal immigration in the world – there’s your pathway right there.

Ukiah on April 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Mass deportation can’t happen…it won’t, can’t work.

Reagan had a pathway…penalty, schooling, time at a job, it was a logical, practical and compassionate, pathway…

Not amnesty, but a pathway.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:47 AM

I call BS!!! They have said it so many times you believe it, but do the math! How much do they suck off of our economy not only on jobs, but benefits?

Mass deportation is overdue.

I would stand by this at a La Raza meeting and be damn proud… for about 30 seconds until they bashed my head in in the name of inclusion. :-0

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM

When the Saudis flew planes into buildings, that was an act of love too. Love for Allah and oppressed Muslims. Other peoples love isn’t important or beneficial.

I thought Jeb was the “smart” one.

BL@KBIRD

Well, to be fair, our broken laws against terrorism and mass murder left them no choice but to slaughter thousands. Just ask nottoobright.

xblade on April 7, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Just like our ancestors did…
right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:23 AM

“Our”? There’s two of you posting comments today?

whatcat on April 7, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Seth Halpern on April 7, 2014 at 10:51 AM

No, I am saying that the term “WOP” is without papers, and a large number of Italian’s, Irish, came here illegally, and was treated as such.

I am not “rewarding” anyone, where did I say that?

I am saying create a pathway…that may be a fine, penalty, added tax, probation, any number of things.

But mass deportation is unworkable, so you find something that is workable.

Along those lines, “strict” punishment, won’t be a law, it won’t get passed, so why even talk about something that won’t happen.

Work on ideas, plans that will pass…we have a congress, like it or not.

Reagan had a solution, dust it off and re-propose it. Unless you think Reagan was some radical leftist…he understood the real problem, the problem is 100 times more apparent now.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:56 AM

I know I am setting myself up for a spanking just for asking, but I would like to hear concrete solutions.

HonestLib on April 7, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Unfortunately, there ARE no concrete solutions. The problem has grown beyond any attempts to fix. But at least let’s have an honest debate about it. Bush’s comments are not honest. They are self-serving.

Cleombrotus on April 7, 2014 at 10:56 AM

“Our”? There’s two of you posting comments today?

whatcat on April 7, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Go back to school, and learn grammar before making such a stupid comment.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:57 AM

[right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:47 AM]

Quit with your Reagan references. Reagan rued implementing the amnesty, not for fact that it was done, but for the fact that he had to trust that the remainder of the legislation would be implemented and the federal government would stop illegal immigration.

IOW, he f#%ked up; he trusted the federal government. So stop your Reagan had the right idea gibberish.

Dusty on April 7, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Gee, Jeb. Don’t let the screen door… yada yada yada…

applebutter on April 7, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Mass deportation can’t happen…it won’t, can’t work.

Reagan had a pathway…penalty, schooling, time at a job, it was a logical, practical and compassionate, pathway…

Not amnesty, but a pathway.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:47 AM

True. And I lived through that. My perspective was from that of a restaurant manager who had many undocumented aliens working for me. We were all very relieved and very excited for the future. The problem was that the democrats failed to live up to the commitment to seal the borders and millions more came across unchallenged. The same thing will happen this time. We must seal the borders prior to doing anything on the order of ‘normalizing’ the illegals here now. Until the borders are secure, systematic deportation is the process that we must use. I, for one, do not care how many families are broken up. We gave full amnesty to anyone here in the 80s. In my view, anyone here illegally after the Reagan amnesty needs to leave. Then we can talk about immigration reform. I will not support making the same mistake a second time.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Mass deportation is overdue.

I would stand by this at a La Raza meeting and be damn proud… for about 30 seconds until they bashed my head in in the name of inclusion. :-0

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Do the math on mass deportation…I have on this site several times, and no one has ever challenged it, they just go away when you look at the numbers, the size of the bureaucracy needed to deport.

The TSA would be minor leagues, the power of the “Deportation Deputy’s” would be beyond our scope to imagine.

The time, legal system, you think everything is “cut and dried”, we can’t even determine if an “anchor baby” has rights to live here…

Now, try to get that law passed…name me the states that the majority would support such a law…California? New York? Florida? Washington? Oregon? Nevada? North Carolina? Virgina?

Why not use our energy to get a law that is workable, and logical…

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Why not use our energy to get a law that is workable, and logical…

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Why not simply enforce the laws already on the books?

Cleombrotus on April 7, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Go back to school, and learn grammar before making such a stupid comment.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:57 AM

You are hereby put on notice.

Any typo or deviation from accepted language will be dealt with in the Obama fashion. I will STRONGLY protest you!

P.S. I will be the judge.

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:06 AM

IOW, he f#%ked up; he trusted the federal government. So stop your Reagan had the right idea gibberish.

Dusty on April 7, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Stop using it because he supported it and was right?

Nice try, but his pathway was the correct way…we just need to make it work.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 10:59 AM

I agree, the one thing we all must stand strong on, and this we can get it if we are logical and stay focused.

Seal the border before any new law…forget the “they are breaking the law”, they are “sucking resources”, all of that we can handle later.

Priority number one, seal the border so we stop the bleeding…than we can deal with the rest.

And you may find after sealing the border, securing it, that the solution will “self correct” in some ways. And the steps to correct the existing situation will be much easier and better defined.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Unfortunately, there ARE no concrete solutions. The problem has grown beyond any attempts to fix. But at least let’s have an honest debate about it. Bush’s comments are not honest. They are self-serving.

Cleombrotus on April 7, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Bushes comments are also manipulative….just like the liberals crapola.

No solution to immigration reform which we do need since liberals,crooked businesses/politicians and illegals have been exploiting the laws for so long will work until we have a secure border.

Having a secure border sends a clear message to our neighbors.

Kerry said the Monroe Doctrine is over…so we might not get this cleared up till Obama is out of office…hopefully as a result of being forced to resign.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Why not use our energy to get a law that is workable, and logical…

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Enforcing our current law would work quite nicely. Securing our borders will stem the flow, as would the knowledge that if caught, they are going back home without ‘due process’. We don’t need to go on a round up, but we can certainly start by profiling and purging. Fair or not. I don’t care. It is not fair to break our sovereign laws and steal our largess.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 10:59 AM

You should ask yourself why you broke the law about employing illegals, and why you are so adamant that the lawbreaking should stop.

Could it be that you want to be able to continue to use illegal aliens, but you don’t want your competitors to do so?

What would happen if these aliens were legalized? Are you afraid that you would face lawsuits for underpaying them — or not remitting payroll taxes?

There are a lot of things that would be fixed by making the illegal legal — for one, they could join the above-ground economy, become taxpayers, buy auto insurance, get drivers licenses, etc etc etc.

You will not win by booting them out. Their kids are here to stay, and their kids will vote — for they are Americans. And they won’t be voting for you.

One who treats others as offal should not be surprised when they are considered offal as well.

unclesmrgol on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

What exactly is the problem with a bunch of low wage workers coming here? People keep saying there’s a problem, but it’s never really specified.

Another Libertarian on April 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Fix the “fence”, fix the laws, than deal with the troublemakers…but leave the good and righteous alone.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Leave them alone? Wouldn’t that be a slap in the face to those who are making the effort to immigrate to America the legal way?

otlset on April 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Most illegals leave their children behind.

workingclass artist on April 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Why not simply enforce the laws already on the books?

Cleombrotus on April 7, 2014 at 11:05 AM

I am not sure they are “workable” with all of the exclusions…but one law to enforce is this.

Secure our borders…and that one is more than a “law”, it is one of the few detailed acts that congress, the feds are ordered to do. It’s constitutional, and I don’t see how it “slips” away.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Jeb, an act of love for our country is killing the Bush Mafia corruption.

Any candidate that runs with the campaign to kill the corrupt Bush Mafia beast wins!

Your corrupt brother bailed out the banks and the auto industry. We didn’t forget.

“It’s the corruption, stupid!”

You are corrupt to your common core.

Jayrae on April 7, 2014 at 11:10 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Start actually enforcing the law. Yes, you will have fringe cases. They don’t need to leave their babies here, they can take them with them.

Who is heartless? Parents that refuse to care for their children or a country that warned them?

NiteOwl on April 7, 2014 at 11:11 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Any credibility you might have had, squandered in an instant.

Akzed on April 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Leave them alone? Wouldn’t that be a slap in the face to those who are making the effort to immigrate to America the legal way?

otlset on April 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM

I get it, but am responding to a lot of emotional people…

I meant leave them alone in the sense that you take care of the priorities first…the criminals, the “suckers”, the one that are not
“fitting in”.

Leave the ones that are contributing alone, and deal with them separately. Fine them, tax them, but don’t harass them if they are “good” people.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM

“Our”? There’s two of you posting comments today?

whatcat on April 7, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Go back to school, and learn grammar before making such a stupid comment.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Then who is this “our” of who you speak? Is that like the royal “We” or is a bad case of worms we’re talking about here?

whatcat on April 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Yep. If we make it much more difficult to get here, that helps a lot. Secondly, if we refuse to offer any benefits of any sort to illegals, they will stop coming. I mean medical attention, food, shelter, employment…anything but an immediate bus trip to the border followed by a swift kick in the butt. That is precisely what happens in other countries. We need to quit being such a wimpy, bleeding heart group of softies and learn to take care of Americans prior to saving the world’s struggling, huddled masses.

bimmcorp on April 7, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Secure our borders…and that one is more than a “law”, it is one of the few detailed acts that congress, the feds are ordered to do. It’s constitutional, and I don’t see how it “slips” away.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Agreed!

otlset on April 7, 2014 at 11:13 AM

So Ed…is this the hill?

DanMan

Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. Please illegals, don’t break our laws and kindly go home. That’ll show them.

Flange

But not all of them…just the ones who might actually have something to offer(VISA over stayers) who originally came legally. They must go. The ones who came illegally, and likely broke multiple other laws as well and who are likely illiterate in their own language…they can stay. Because they just want to be happy or something. Plus everyone knows the key to a prosperous nation is to have as many uneducated and unskilled folks as possible. Just ask Mexico.

xblade on April 7, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Any credibility you might have had, squandered in an instant.

Akzed on April 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Well that is going to keep me awake at night…

Nice debate though, your argument is well thought out, and I don’t agree with your one example, I have to say that you certainly have given this a lot of thought.

I can see your point, which is…gee, I’m sorry, it must have gotten erased…I don’t see your opinion, just some silly comment.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:14 AM

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Deportation.
Enough airplanes? Yup!
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Data_Elements.aspx?Data=2
Enough Buses? Yup!
https://www.greyhound.com/en/about/factsandfigures.aspx

All it takes is some enforcement and in 10 years the vast majority of illegals can be removed from the nation.

astonerii on April 7, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Then who is this “our” of who you speak? Is that like the royal “We” or is a bad case of worms we’re talking about here?

whatcat on April 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM

You are hung up on that…sheesh.

right2bright on April 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

The illegal invasion is an act of war and Bush’s words are an act of treason.

Buddahpundit on April 7, 2014 at 10:04 AM

.
Best (and “strongest”) damn statement, so far . . . . . and totally true.

Agreed. Stop the invasion. Put the Marines on the border.

polarglen on April 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Enough of the Bush family. We need real conservatives now. Jeb should learn from his father and brother to keep his mouth shut and enjoy life.

Wade on April 7, 2014 at 11:16 AM

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