America the not so religiously diverse?

posted at 9:31 am on April 6, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

It’s one of the enduring traits of the United States and a source of understandable pride. Americans are, in part, defined by the freedoms they enjoy under the Constitution in general, and in our freedom of religion in particular. And this open environment has led us to be one of the most religiously diverse nations on the planet, right? As Dr. Joyner explores the topic, perhaps not so much. This comes from a new Pew Research study which breaks down the religious affiliation of Americans in one convenient graph.

Religious-Diversity

Looking at this graph, it’s easy to see that we’re considerably more diverse than a theological dictatorship such as Iran. But by the same yardstick, we’re nowhere near as diverse as the religious melting pot of Singapore. America could easily be defined as a country which is essentially Christian with a significant mix of the “unaffiliated” coming in a distant second. The only other religion which even moves the needle is the Jews, and that only rings up 2%.

But, as Joyner notes, this treats all Christians as one religion. Fair enough, but there is a lot of diversity inside that category.

This is a perfectly reasonable methodology, but certainly not the only one. It really depends on what you’re trying to get at with the rankings.

The sense in which America is religiously diverse is the sheer multitude of religions represented here. And the report acknowledges that fact:

While adherents of many world religions live in the United States – the world’s third most populous country – most of those religions each represent less than 2% of the U.S. population. That includes people who identify their religion in surveys as Judaism (1.8%), Buddhism (1.2%), Islam (0.9%), Hinduism (0.6%) and folk or traditional religions (0.2%).

But grouping all Christians into a single category, which again is perfectly reasonable depending on what one is trying to measure, points to the fact that, despite nominal diversity, we’re essentially a Christian nation. We non-believers are more numerous than any non-Christian religion–indeed, all of them put together. Outside of a handful of urban areas, then, Americans will rarely encounter people who aren’t either a Christian, a Jew, or non-religious.

Does a lack of religious diversity equate to a lack of religious tolerance? I would say no, but that answer comes from my own upbringing, I’m sure. As Rick Moran points out, you can always find somebody who disagrees. Even when it comes to an Easter Egg hunt.

Muslim Parents in Dearborn Upset About Flyer for Easter Egg Hunt

The flyers were handed out at public schools and referenced an Easter egg hunt at a nearby Christian church. So, some Muslim parents get an outrage twofer: They can claim bias against Muslims and play the old atheist trick of claiming that passing the flyer out at public schools violates the separation of church and state…

In fact, public schools are part of a larger community and have a duty to serve that community. If that means making flyers announcing a secular church party available to all students, then they are fulfilling their mandate. If public school teachers actually handed out the flyers — something that wasn’t made clear in the article — they would simply be fulfilling their mission to engage the community.

If Christians were going to be doing any proselytizing in the Muslim community, they wouldn’t use pagan symbols and secular-themed parties. But looking under the bed for Christians and pretending to be outraged by innocent gestures of community involvement seems to be the best way to get media exposure.

After all, we wouldn’t want to offend anyone, now would we?

You can please some of the people some of the time, I guess.


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Always okay to mock and attack “the majority” in America. They won’t fight back for fear of looking like bullies.

Fallon on April 6, 2014 at 9:43 AM

So, our president lied ?

Go figure. /

pambi on April 6, 2014 at 9:44 AM

They can claim bias against Muslims and play the old atheist trick of claiming that passing the flyer out at public schools violates the separation of church and state…

The Muslim community needs to gain a better understanding of what America is all about. It is not about the political correctness and foolish bending to peoples individual sensitivities that liberals have filled their head with. It is about our Constitution, ideals and yes, American culture. Remember when it was acceptable to admit there is such a thing and not reflexively be called a racist or xenophobe?

There are certain symbols and events that have both American and Christian significance. It has become that way over the years because a plurality of our nation, as this demonstrates, share that faith and values. Notice that Christmas, that is, the birth of Jesus Christ, is a federal holiday.

I’ve grown tired of liberals parading the false trope about a states role in religion and then using it as a holistic cudgel for their misadventures. It is not only destroying our society, but is doing so by setting us against each other. Notice the pattern?

Marcus Traianus on April 6, 2014 at 9:45 AM

They can claim bias against Muslims and play the old atheist trick of claiming that passing the flyer out at public schools violates the separation of church and state…

The Muslim community needs to gain a better understanding of what America is all about. It is not about the political correctness and foolish bending to peoples individual sensitivities that liberals have filled their head with. It is about our Constitution, ideals and yes, American culture. Remember when it was acceptable to admit there is such a thing and not reflexively be called a racist or xenophobe?

There are certain symbols and events that have both American and Christian significance. It has become that way over the years because a plurality of our nation, as this demonstrates, share that faith and those values. Notice that Christmas, that is, the birth of Jesus Christ, is a federal holiday.

I’ve grown tired of liberals parading the false trope about a states role in religion and then using it as a holistic cudgel for their misadventures. It is not only destroying our society, but is doing so by setting us against each other. Notice the pattern?

Marcus Traianus on April 6, 2014 at 9:45 AM

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers. And it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” -First Chief Justice of Supreme Court John Jay to Jedidiah Morse February 28, 1797

Akzed on April 6, 2014 at 9:46 AM

My take.

kingsjester on April 6, 2014 at 9:49 AM

America could easily be defined as a country which is essentially Christian

Well … duh. America was built by Christians, based on Judeo-Christian cultures. America’s greatest advantage was that it never had any muslims to have to deal with. It’s only in the past couple of decades that idiots in this country started importing muzzies like they were going out of style. Any nation that has more than 10% muzzies is a dead nation. And a stupid one for ever letting it get to that. Any nation that elects a hussein to leadership …

America is (was, actually, since it was killed a couple of years ago) a Christian nation that did not arise elsewhere in the world because other peoples were not equipped to create and sustain such a nation. People like Barky, the dog-eating, third world muzzie-raised retard and his supporters. Barky, the America-hater who said that America is not a Christian nation but that it is one of the largest muzzie nations in the world. Yep … and this moron still isn’t donning the orange jumpsuit he’s worked so hard to earn.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 6, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Because Easter Egg hunts establish a religion.

CW on April 6, 2014 at 10:00 AM

I’m looking forward to the day when people will stop making the choice to be willfully stupid by shackling themselves with the insane crap that is religion, It’s all made up mumbo jumbo, self retardation isn’t a good choice. Judging by the crazy comments of religious maniacs here that day is still far off, unfortunately. Why are you dummies so scared and have to huddle in your self imposed darkness waiting for your invisible sky friend/daddy to save you? Grow up silly children.

Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

And this open environment has led us to be one of the most religiously diverse nations on the planet, right?

WTF would this be the expected outcome based on the starting point?

farsighted on April 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

I think you should take your premise of a meaningless and purposeless existence to its logical conclusion and act on it. You’d be doing the world a favor.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Why does this nation have to be diverse in religion?? I personally think it would be better off if the greater majority wereChristian.

garydt on April 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Amazing how some people live out the truth of the scriptures without even knowing it. Always impressive to witness.

pambi on April 6, 2014 at 10:31 AM

America less than 1% Muslim… and they are all living in Dearborn Michigan protesting against Easter Egg hunts.

Varchild on April 6, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Coexist.

fortcoins on April 6, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

You can take this home with you. Consider it a gift.

Personally, though, I think, judging by your nic, that you’re about twelve years old.

Internet trolls are actually sadists study finds

Trolls are susceptible to sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism.

thatsafactjack on April 6, 2014 at 10:34 AM

I don’t think that Islam can be included in any listing of a religious nature, since it fails the first test of a Faith – personal conviction. It is a mandated set of rules, with barbaric punishments for not towing the line – on this planet, and in this life!

Who the hell died and made them God!?

OldEnglish on April 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

@TPOP:

Singapore is far from a dead nation though according to you it would be.

uatu1878 on April 6, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Does a lack of religious diversity equate to a lack of religious tolerance?

IMO our very lack of diversity is what gives this country more religious tolerance than many others.

our strength as a Christian founded nation has encouraged us to tolerate the pockets of other religions as well as non-believers. Since Christianity reflects >75% it would be easy for the majority to place restrictions on the smallish groups.

Maybe we need to restrict the Islam calls to prayer – isn’t that as infringing upon others as a flier announcing an egg roll?

katiejane on April 6, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Singapore is far from a dead nation though according to you it would be.

uatu1878 on April 6, 2014 at 10:39 AM

It will be.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 6, 2014 at 10:42 AM

I’m looking forward to the day when people will stop making the choice to be willfully stupid by shackling themselves with the insane crap that is religion, It’s all made up mumbo jumbo, self retardation isn’t a good choice. Judging by the crazy comments of religious maniacs here that day is still far off, unfortunately. Why are you dummies so scared and have to huddle in your self imposed darkness waiting for your invisible sky friend/daddy to save you? Grow up silly children.

Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Religions are a combination of Mythology, Ceremony, and Morality. I don’t have much patience for Ceremony and will never take Mythology seriously, but that good Christians adhere to a strong code of morality makes them far preferable company to someone who displays contempt for morality.

Count to 10 on April 6, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Count to 10 on April 6, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Seconded!

OldEnglish on April 6, 2014 at 10:47 AM

We are a tolerant nation precisely BECAUSE we are a Christian nation. Suck it, atheists.

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Religions are a combination of Mythology, Ceremony, and Morality. I don’t have much patience for Ceremony and will never take Mythology seriously, but that good Christians adhere to a strong code of morality makes them far preferable company to someone who displays contempt for morality.

Count to 10 on April 6, 2014 at 10:42 AM

You left out “history,” Count. ;)

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Your Mamma

To paraphrase the “Prince of Paradox”, the “Apostle of Common Sense”, “If it were not for God there would be no atheists.”

fourdeucer on April 6, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Your mamma…your post exhibits irony.

CW on April 6, 2014 at 10:56 AM

fourdeucer on April 6, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Not so, there would be no Anti-theists.

OldEnglish on April 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Your Mamma

You mind spreading your wisdom in the “Sunday relfection” thread? It’s sorely needed there.

nobar on April 6, 2014 at 11:04 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Why do you assume that without religion somebody’s life is meaningless and purposeless?

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:09 AM

fourdeucer on April 6, 2014 at 10:54 AM

The real way that phrase should read is without the theist there would be no atheist.

Without the theist claiming they know a god for sure exists and that his name is [insert god of choice's name here] there would be no atheist to call BS on your claim.

Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Why do you assume that without religion somebody’s life is meaningless and purposeless?

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:09 AM

We all worship something, Kraut. It may or may not be a personally involved god, but the human need for worship is as natural as the need for water and air.

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Not true… Plenty of people go through life without ever having chosen a religion or worshiping anything.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Not true… Plenty of people go through life without ever having chosen a religion or worshiping anything.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Choosing a religion is not the same thing as worship, Kraut. The assertion that there is no god, for example, is a credo just like any statement of faith that any religion utters. “I believe…” “I know…” I don’t necessarily think any less of atheists for that, don’t get me wrong. But atheists want to believe there is something special about them, that they are somehow above the fray of the “unreasonable.” I don’t think so. Atheists are human too…

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 11:19 AM

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Who worships something without a religion? As soon as you begin to worship something you begin to erect a religion around it by attributing traits to this thing you worship…

To worship is to love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess; to venerate as an idol. To show devotion to a deity, and to attend religious services.

When atheists say that there is no god, what they really mean is that the god you or others are trying to foist on them doesn’t exist.

If I said there were no goblins, would that be a statement of faith? No, because nobody has ever seen, there is no evidence for, a goblin.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Why do you assume that without religion somebody’s life is meaningless and purposeless?

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Because, without some concept of an existent meta-physics, there can be no meaning to existence. It’s not too tough to figure out. A finite system cannot carry its own meaning. Do you really have a problem understanding that? It ain’t rocket science. Heck, it ain’t even model rocket science.

Why do atheists always act(?) stupid when it comes to the trivial observation that atheism describes and demands nothing but a meaningless and purposeless existence? To the atheist, life is nothing but clumps of quarks/atoms/molecules. No meaning. No purpose. Just some weird “existence” that is over as quickly as it began and it doesn’t matter, anyway.

There’s nothing wrong with espousing that view, but if that is what you think then, at least, admit it. Don’t act dumb … “Why would a finite, physical world with nothing else have no meaning or purpose … duh …”

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 6, 2014 at 11:27 AM

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Sorry to resort to “The Dumb Ox” and his five proofs, and Augustine of Hippo with his three simple questions of Who, When and Why? The answers to the ladder are number one, God the Father the Almighty creator of heaven and earth, number two when He said “let there be” and finally, why, because He said “it is good”.

fourdeucer on April 6, 2014 at 11:27 AM

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Have to disagree with the terminology, here. Anti-theists make the noise, Atheists just ignore it.

OldEnglish on April 6, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Who worships something without a religion? As soon as you begin to worship something you begin to erect a religion around it by attributing traits to this thing you worship…

Really? Do you believe it’s possible to worship oneself? Would you consider that religion? Of course not. It’s narcissism. That’s not to say that all atheists are necessarily narcissists, but I can tell you with a high degree of certainty that narcissists are over-represented in the ranks of atheism.

To worship is to love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess; to venerate as an idol. To show devotion to a deity, and to attend religious services.

What does attending religious services have to do with worship? I think pantheists might disagree with you on that particular point. There are major world religions, as well, that don’t have “religious services” in the sense that Christians, Jews, or Muslims understand the term.

When atheists say that there is no god, what they really mean is that the god you or others are trying to foist on them doesn’t exist.

And when theists say there is a god, what they really mena is that the god they believe in does exist. The certainty cuts both ways, and I just wish atheists would be more honest about it.

If I said there were no goblins, would that be a statement of faith? No, because nobody has ever seen, there is no evidence for, a goblin.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Actually, it kind of would be a statement of faith, because absence of evidence does not constitute evidence of absence. And I’m not aware of any religion that has ever venerated goblins, so that point is kind of moot.

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 11:32 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 6, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Dominance through the next generation – that’s what it’s all about. Mother Nature doesn’t give a stuff as to what some may think to the contrary.

What our emotive brains do in the meantime, is up to the individual.

OldEnglish on April 6, 2014 at 11:35 AM

fourdeucer on April 6, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Facepalm…

I’m not saying that there isn’t a god fourdeucer.

Like many of our nations founders I’m actually a deist, and what I think is that the god that could be is probably sitting up in whatever heaven there is and he’s looking down at us arguing over what we believe he desires of us, what he desires for us, and he’s having a cosmic facepalm moment.

I think he has a permanent mark on his face from hearing all the inane stories people like you erect around him, hearing how you mischaracterized him.

Imagine for a moment that you died and went to heaven. Let’s say this god that could be doesn’t happen to be the Christian god or whatever. Don’t you think he’d be a bit perturbed, to put it mildly, that you’d forwarded a rendition of him to others saying he was essentially a bloodthirsty savage willing to sacrifice his own son?

I know I would be. I might even be pissed enough to erect a hell for your soul to suffer in for a little while so you could think and stew over how much of a jacka55 you were for thinking so. But I would eventually let you out… I’d eventually let you join the rest of us in our reindeer games…

The Christian god? Yahweh? What would he do? Nope, you get eternal damnation! He’d leave you in hell for eternity so you could endure endless suffering in your “separation” from him…

What an a55hole!

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:36 AM

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Thank you for your mercy!

fourdeucer on April 6, 2014 at 11:43 AM

fourdeucer on April 6, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Hey, at least it’s real mercy and grace as opposed to the Christian god’s rendition of it.

Why would a god relegate the souls of his creations to endless suffering just because they didn’t worship him specifically? Seems like a human thing to do, to be jealous and petty like that, don’t you think?

There is no christian god, just like there is no muslim god, or Hindu gods. They are all alike, sad and capricious gods…

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Have to disagree with the terminology, here. Anti-theists make the noise, Atheists just ignore it.

OldEnglish on April 6, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Atheists are anti-theists and vice versa. That anti theists are more vocal about it is just happenstance, but they are one and the same.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Muslim Parents in Dearborn Upset About Flyer for Easter Egg Hunt

They’re just pissed because egg hunts are more fun than stoning.

trigon on April 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

As an atheist I don’t run around with a sign on my back advertising that fact. Most people, at least 99%, assume I am a christian. If the subject comes up, I state that I am an atheist. When I do so, others frequently say that they are non believers, but say they belong to Christian or jewish religion for social purposes.

burt on April 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

burt on April 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Why do you say that a god for sure doesn’t exist? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

To borrow a partial quote from Jefferson. It neither breaks your leg nor picks your pocket to admit of the possibility of god.

Why say he “for sure” does not exist?

Don’t you actually mean that the Christian god does not exist, the Muslim god does not exist?

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 12:01 PM

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Nope. One cannot be anti something that does not exist. One can only be anti something that one doesn’t like.

OldEnglish on April 6, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM

How large is the athiest religion? That wasn’t included in the charts but it seems to be quite large and growing as most people find being Christian too hard.

Vince on April 6, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

I wonder, why does your baseless existence feel threatened by religion? I see your point, though. Religion is man’s system of worshipping God, where faith is God’s provision for man’s longing for God. People like you can’t seem to understand the difference between man’s system of worship and God’s system of worship.

HiJack on April 6, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Why would a god relegate the souls of his creations to endless suffering just because they didn’t worship him specifically? Seems like a human thing to do, to be jealous and petty like that, don’t you think?

There is no christian god, just like there is no muslim god, or Hindu gods. They are all alike, sad and capricious gods…

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:47 AM

I think you are confusing a belief in God with a belief in a religious group.

Vince on April 6, 2014 at 12:19 PM

There will be no peace until islam is eradicated from the Earth.

ConstantineXI on April 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Nope. One cannot be anti something that does not exist. One can only be anti something that one doesn’t like.

OldEnglish on April 6, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Theism very clearly exists, therefore, someone can be anti to it.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Go pound sand up your butt, clown.

Solaratov on April 6, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Vince on April 6, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Atheism isn’t a religion.

Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color.
Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sexual position.
Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Atheism is a response to a claim, the claim being that some people know the god that is and that that god has provided revelation to them via some holy book.

An atheist is simply calling BS on that claim, that doesn’t make them a religion.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Does anyone else think that Mamma is a parody account or a sock puppet troll?

melle1228 on April 6, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Atheism is a response to a claim, the claim being that some people know the god that is and that that god has provided revelation to them via some holy book.

An atheist is simply calling BS on that claim, that doesn’t make them a religion.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 12:33 PM

SOME atheism is like that. Then there are the other atheists who seek to push all religious out of politics, the public square, and public life. Those are the religious atheists. Just because they don’t believe in any higher power doesn’t mean that they aren’t fanatics just the same.

melle1228 on April 6, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

You can take this home with you. Consider it a gift.

Personally, though, I think, judging by your nic, that you’re about twelve years old.

Internet trolls are actually sadists study finds

Trolls are susceptible to sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism.

thatsafactjack on April 6, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Given my unscientific observation that the rate of homosexuality in our trolls far exceeds the average 2% in the population, I have to wonder how many homosexuals are “susceptible to sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism.”

slickwillie2001 on April 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM

I have to wonder how these bar graphs would change if we included the religion of the far left, -call it Gaianism, or the Warmist religion, whatever.

I’m sure that many claiming to be atheists are fanatically devoted to that religion.

slickwillie2001 on April 6, 2014 at 12:39 PM

My take.

kingsjester on April 6, 2014 at 9:49 AM

“He lifts me out of the valley and carries me to the mountaintop”

…there sure are enough entities trying like crazy to make it more, and more difficult…to make that climb!

KOOLAID2 on April 6, 2014 at 12:48 PM

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Agreed, just not Atheists. Atheists ignore the subject as being of no consequence. Anti-theists, on the other hand, can’t seem to mind their own business.

OldEnglish on April 6, 2014 at 12:50 PM

My take.

kingsjester on April 6, 2014 at 9:49 AM

Excellent…

fourdeucer on April 6, 2014 at 12:58 PM

OldEnglish on April 6, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Atheists ARE anti theists, otherwise they would be theists. Atheism is to be without theism just as amoral is to be without morals or apolitical is to be without politics or agnosticmism is to be without knowledge or atypical is to be without typicalness.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Atheism is a response to a claim, the claim being that some people know the god that is and that that god has provided revelation to them via some holy book.

An atheist is simply calling BS on that claim, that doesn’t make them a religion.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 12:33 PM

You respond to religious belief with a zeal too keen not to be religious. Why do you feel the need to try to convince others that your belief is correct? What are you trying to “save” them from?

Vince on April 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM

But then Soviet-style repression has long been a dream of the American Left. Consider the abuses of psychiatry that were the great hallmark of the Soviet way, and then consider that there is a cottage industry today among left-wing psychiatrists arguing that conservative political views represent a form of mental disorder. That psychiatric approach to suppressing dissent has spread quickly through the intellectual sewers of the Left, with writers everywhere from Daily Kos to Salon diagnosing instances of “RWA” — right-wing authoritarian — disorder among their political rivals. Robert Altemeyer, the father of this asinine school of so-called thought, denies that there exists such a thing as a left-wing authoritarian.

If Mr. Weinstein’s preferred method of enforcing intellectual conformity — coercion through state violence — seems extreme, consider that the jihad against Brendan Eich of Mozilla was no simple exercise in the operations of civil society.

Kevin Williamson is one of the best writers of our times.

Welcome to the leftist gulag. As I say often, the thugs are Never liberal.

Schadenfreude on April 6, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Vince on April 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM

You respond to my naysaying with a zeal I’m familiar with, but to say you don’t believe in something doesn’t make one religious about it. Why do you feel the need to convince others that your belief is correct and proclaim your piousness so vociferously?

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 1:18 PM

You respond to my naysaying with a zeal I’m familiar with, but to say you don’t believe in something doesn’t make one religious about it. Why do you feel the need to convince others that your belief is correct and proclaim your piousness so vociferously?

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Why don’t you answer the question instead of parroting mine?

I am not religious. I believe in God but I am not religious. I go to services of several different denominations and find it spiritual and thought provoking. I do not believe there is one true religion. I guess you could say, I have an open mind. You?

Vince on April 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Vince on April 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Hmmm… Big deal, so you go to several denominations. A religious denomination is a subgroup WITHIN a religion that operates under a common name, tradition, and identity.

When you start going to Muslim and Jewish and Hindu and Buddhist services then I’ll call you someone with an open mind.

Open mindedness only means that one is willing to entertain new ideas. It doesn’t mean one has to swallow them whole.

To think that one of these religions happens to be the one true religion of the god that could be is specious in the extreme. I think the real answer is that none of them are.

I think the god that could be is laughing and crying at the same time as he listens to us humans argue over which rendition of he/she/it is the real one.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Grow up silly children.

Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

So that I can be angry and full of hate? No thanks. I’d rather forgive.

John the Libertarian on April 6, 2014 at 1:48 PM

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Grow up! When you mature, I would be happy to converse with you but as of now, you bring nothing to the conversation but arrogance and narcissism.

Vince on April 6, 2014 at 1:56 PM

My take.

kingsjester on April 6, 2014 at 9:49 AM

I always enjoy reading “your take!” Thanks Kingsjester!

texgal on April 6, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Vince on April 6, 2014 at 1:56 PM

LOL

ok, whatever you say Vince… You believe in a “holy” book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that I’m the one that needs to grow up?

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Singapore? Really? It has a population of about 5.3 million.

The proper comparison would be to look at its religious variety versus New York City or San Francisco.

secant on April 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM

France rioted against gay marriage vs Americans who oppose gay marriage just saying damn every time a federal judge overturns a ban.

Fortitude on April 6, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Lol. Oh, arrogant atheists are so much fun, so trite, so smug.

Esthier on April 6, 2014 at 2:41 PM

I think there should be a gay pride parade, like they have in SF, in Dearborn. I would have a lot more respect for the gay rights groups if they did that….

:)

William Eaton on April 6, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Lol. Oh, arrogant atheists are so much fun, so trite, so smug.

Esthier on April 6, 2014 at 2:41 PM

I’m not an atheist… LOL

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 3:10 PM

An atheist is someone who doesn’t believe in God. An anti-theist is an atheist who feels the need to evangelize his disblief. ;)

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Seeking to keep religion a private matter and not having it imposed on others through the mechanism of government does not transform atheism in to a religion.

MJBrutus on April 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM

No ONE is imposing their religion on you by putting up a cross in public, any more than putting up an billboard imposes a product on you. And yes, the default position of the government being atheism is religious. The government should BE AGNOSTIC, not atheists. That means everyone in public life gets to participate in A PUBLIC FORUM. Your problem is that religious people vote based on their ideology. That is not imposing their views on society. That is voting via their Constitutional rights. No one is telling you that you can’t make laws based on your atheism.

melle1228 on April 6, 2014 at 3:17 PM

I’m not an atheist… LOL

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 3:10 PM

So what holy book to your prescribe to?

melle1228 on April 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM

I’m not an atheist… LOL

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Whatever you want to call yourself, the shoe still fits.

Esthier on April 6, 2014 at 3:28 PM

There will be no peace until islam is eradicated from the Earth.

ConstantineXI on April 6, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Many ways to look at it I guess.

How about….There will be no peace until humans are eradicated from the Earth.

Evil comes in many shapes, forms, and fashion and all the shades of evil have one thing in common…..mankind.

Hey, not poking you with a stick…..just thinking out loud.

HonestLib on April 6, 2014 at 3:38 PM

So what holy book to your prescribe to?

melle1228 on April 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM

All of them and none, accepting some of the moral truths all religions tell us about but rejecting all the crappy supernatural mumbo jumbo theology and ritual and dogma associated with them.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Whatever you want to call yourself, the shoe still fits.

Esthier on April 6, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Look at you so smug in your belief that you happen to have chosen the one true religion of god…

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Look at you so smug in your belief that you happen to have chosen the one true religion of god…

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM

And look at you. So smug in your belief that God doesn’t exist. How very human of you. LOL

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 3:47 PM

As an atheist I don’t run around with a sign on my back advertising that fact. ….
burt on April 6, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Nor do most theists advertise vis signs on their backs.

However it does seem like atheists feel the need to mock & ridicule believers more than the other way. If someone is so sure that there is no higher power it’s hard to understand why they get so torqued by things like nativity scenes or crosses. No one can really convince me that someone saying a prayer before a meeting hurts an atheist. Why do atheists seem compelled to mock the beliefs of others?

katiejane on April 6, 2014 at 3:49 PM

No one can really convince me that someone saying a prayer before a meeting hurts an atheist. Why do atheists seem compelled to mock the beliefs of others?

katiejane on April 6, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Because atheists want to believe that they are morally and intellectually superior to theists. In fairness, Christians seem to like to trumpet their own moral, if not intellectual, superiority, but all that says to me is that Christians and atheists have more in common than either is usually comfortable admitting.

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 3:54 PM

And look at you. So smug in your belief that God doesn’t exist. How very human of you. LOL

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 3:47 PM

LOL! You don’t read very well do you? I don’t say god doesn’t exist, just your petty rendition of it.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 3:57 PM

LOL! You don’t read very well do you? I don’t say god doesn’t exist, just your petty rendition of it.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Then what’s your beef with my assertion that he does? I can’t prove that he does exist, you can’t prove that he doesn’t. The only other tack to take is one of agnosticism, but I don’t see you ever saying “I just don’t know.”

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 4:06 PM

I’m too dumb to get the point of most the comments on this type of thread. I judge folks how they treat me, my family, children, small animals…okay….okay. One good way to judge folks is how they treat those weaker than themselves.

I like all folks who try to be honest and kind. Don’t care what label they bring to the table. Feel free to substitute observe for judge in my comment, as the word judge has more baggage than I have…and I gots lots!

HonestLib on April 6, 2014 at 4:08 PM

I’m too dumb to get the point of most the comments on this type of thread. I judge folks how they treat me, my family, children, small animals…okay….okay. One good way to judge folks is how they treat those weaker than themselves.

I like all folks who try to be honest and kind. Don’t care what label they bring to the table. Feel free to substitute observe for judge in my comment, as the word judge has more baggage than I have…and I gots lots!

HonestLib on April 6, 2014 at 4:08 PM

By their fruits shall they know them. I don’t necessarily judge people simply on their belief in God, but I can pretty reliably guess what a person thinks about me based on their professed beliefs.

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 4:06 PM

If you can’t prove he does exist, why do you then assert that he does?

The reason I can say your god doesn’t exist is because your god has too many logical fallacies in him for him to be the god of the cosmos and the god of all wisdom.

Bible god is a capricious, malevolent god and cannot possibly exist, but he is exactly what one would expect a bronze aged mind to make up.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 4:21 PM

If you can’t prove he does exist, why do you then assert that he does?

Because every provable truth can be traced back to a set of axiomatic statements. Every last one. My interest here isn’t in making you believe that God exists. I’m more interested in pointing out to Christians that in their smugness, they have more in common with atheists than they realize. If that can get a few atheists to re-examine the high horse on which they tend to be perched, so much the better.

The reason I can say your god doesn’t exist is because your god has too many logical fallacies in him for him to be the god of the cosmos and the god of all wisdom.

The god I worship is the unmoved mover, the author of logic and nature. I’m not asking you to accept that. I am merely asserting that the belief that all of this might have had no cause is just as patently ridiculous.

Bible god is a capricious, malevolent god and cannot possibly exist, but he is exactly what one would expect a bronze aged mind to make up.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Sounds like perhaps a little bit of a guilt complex going on. But if you really do like your world logical and orderly, perhaps you should at least consider Pascal’s Wager.

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Said the wild flower to the sparrow:
“I should really like to know
Why these anxious human beings
Rush about and worry so.”

Said the sparrow to the wildflower:
“Friend, I think that it must be
That they have no Heavenly Father,
Such as cares for you and me.”
–Anonymous

Murphy9 on April 6, 2014 at 4:28 PM

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Makes sense to me. Looks like you and ole’ Liberty Cabbage are having a good joust.

HonestLib on April 6, 2014 at 4:30 PM

I’m looking forward to the day when people will stop making the choice to be willfully stupid by shackling themselves with the insane crap that is religion, It’s all made up mumbo jumbo, self retardation isn’t a good choice. Judging by the crazy comments of religious maniacs here that day is still far off, unfortunately. Why are you dummies so scared and have to huddle in your self imposed darkness waiting for your invisible sky friend/daddy to save you? Grow up silly children.
Your Mamma loves me on April 6, 2014 at 10:05 AM

I can only assume a few things about you from the tone of your post. First, that you are quite young and were raised in or around a religion that disappointed you. Your reaction is typical but one that many people go through as they face challenges of modern life and traditional faith. For some, it’s a struggle to reconcile science and scripture. For others it’s a crisis of realizing that people we admired are hypocrites. For some it’s finding a better fit for spiritual practice or working through a faith maturation process.

For some, it’s a break. If that’s the case, I wish you well, but hope you heal and can learn to appreciate the rich art and literature and cultural heritage that is ours because of the religions of the world. To blame the ills of mankind on religion is to blame the nature of man.

Especially if you pretend to be liberal you must be tolerant of all world views and beliefs and respect the values of other people. That is the meaning of being open minded.

Nana on April 6, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Makes sense to me. Looks like you and ole’ Liberty Cabbage are having a good joust.

HonestLib on April 6, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Few things annoy me more than when folks judge God on the quality of his worshippers.

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 4:37 PM

If you can’t prove he does exist, why do you then assert that he does?

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Belief in God doesn’t require a factual proof – that’s why it’s called FAITH.

katiejane on April 6, 2014 at 4:40 PM

gryphon202 on April 6, 2014 at 4:26 PM

LOL! I have a guilt complex about something that doesn’t exist (Bible god)? That’s cute!

Is this unmoved mover you worship Bible god or not?

Pascal’s Wager is a joke. Believing in a god just for the sake of your own well being in some afterlife we don’t know exists seems to be a bit selfish and inane. Besides, what if you choose the wrong god?

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Belief in God doesn’t require a factual proof – that’s why it’s called FAITH.

katiejane on April 6, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Do you know why they call it faith? Because it’s NOT knowledge.

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Besides, what if you choose the wrong god?

SauerKraut537 on April 6, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Would it not be the same if one choose no god…in the context of your direct response to g202? You kind of lost me there with that line of reason.

HonestLib on April 6, 2014 at 4:57 PM

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