Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on April 5, 2014 by Allahpundit

Six years ago, when Eich donated to an anti-marriage equality initiative, less than 40% of Americans favored marriage for same-sex couples. Today 54% do, including nearly 70% of people ages 18-29. That latter number is particularly important to Mozilla because 1) no group goes online more than millennials, 2) no group supports marriage equality more than millennials, and 3) millennials are a significant portion of current and future employees. The Eich fallout is less about the First Amendment and more about a business not understanding its business…

Mozilla is an activist organization more than a money-making corporation. The Apples and Googles of the world can lure top young talent with money and perks. Mozilla’s recruiting success depends on its ability to sell its mission. Thus the effectiveness of the CEO rests heavily on his or her ability to foster a community, not just make a buck.

And generally speaking, discrimination is a community buzzkill.

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At this point, a tech company having a C.E.O. who opposes gay marriage is not all that different from a company in 1973 having a C.E.O. who donated money to fight interracial marriage: even if there were plenty of Americans who felt the same way at the time, the C.E.O. would still have been on the wrong side of history. And since the role of a C.E.O. as a public face of an organization is more important than ever these days, Eich’s personal views were inevitably going to shape his ability to run the company.

That’s especially true because of the unusual nature of Mozilla. Mozilla is not like most companies. It’s a wholly-owned subsidiary of the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation, and is just one part of the broader Mozilla community, which includes thousands of open-source software developers and other volunteers around the world. These people still do much of the work behind Mozilla’s products—contributing code, technical support, design improvements, and so on. This means that Mozilla depends on the goodwill of its supporters more than most corporations do; it relies on their willingness to donate their services in pursuit of the broader Mozilla project, which is all about keeping the Web transparent and accessible. If it alienates them, Mozilla’s entire mission will be at risk…

The real mystery here, then, is not why Eich stepped down but why he ever got hired in the first place.

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At Mozilla, the leadership’s main job isn’t to set a strategy that makes the firm a lot of money. The chief executive’s primary purpose is to hold a community together, and then to motivate it to do great things in the absence of a lot of money — all while competing for talent with firms like Apple, Google, and Microsoft, which shower workers with dollars and perks. Mozilla offers no stock options, no lavish perks, no hope of a billion-dollar acquisition. Instead, it offers its prospective employees a single overarching advantage: the chance to work on a mission.

In such an environment, it isn’t out of bounds to consider how a certain leader’s political views might affect employees’ passion for their mission. If the community’s cohesiveness is Mozilla’s primary advantage over its rivals, the fact that Mr. Eich’s views on gay marriage might have posed some danger to that community was almost by definition disqualifying. If his job was to motivate people, and he was instead causing people to question the community’s ethic—well, at the least, you can say he wasn’t doing a good job.

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The main accusation against Eich rests on his donation to Prop 8, a California law that prohibited gay marriage, five years ago. The argument goes that this is a reflection of his personal beliefs and this belief system runs contrary to the Foundation’s values of openness and tolerance.

Incidentally, as the Recode story mentions, Brendan Eich is a co-founder of the Mozilla Foundation. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that Eich had a hand in establishing the value framework there. Given the absence of demarcation between personal and professional lives, one can argue the openness and collaboration are also reflective of his personal beliefs.

The second problem with this approach are the ramifications of this ethic to workplace diversity. Research after research has shown the benefits of workplace diversity; an organization made up of employees with identical personal and professional beliefs is an organization in stasis. Great ideas are born out of diversity and exchange of opinions, howsoever uncomfortable and complicated they may be.

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I would never defend a homophobe—but does “pure hate” homophobia include dedicating oneself to outreach to “marginalized” LGBT developers, as Eich did almost immediately? Does Mozilla further its cause — privacy uber alles and the free flow of information — by making its pioneers into pariahs in social media, while issuing blatantly hypocritical statements which claim to treasure “religious diversity” at Mozilla? (And did anyone flinch when Mark Zuckerberg held GOP fundraisers?) Is what we want ”politically correct web browsing” where the Twittersphere and “socially conscious corporations” determine whose ideas are disseminated? Is this the open internet, or shall the open-source web be verboten to those “on the wrong side of history”?

It is undeniable that public opinion is rapidly shifting toward LGBT equality, marriage included. But it should be equally undeniable that the organization dedicated to the internet as “global public resource” should understand that the “global public” also contains people who—on their own time—espouse, advocate, and sometimes monetarily support foreign, even ugly, views. Brendan Eich, who “kept his views” (which he called irrelevant to his mission) on LGBT marriage “out of Mozilla for 15 years,” should not have his life’s work invalidated by bygone donations.

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It’s no surprise that this publicity stunt by OKCupid comes on the heels of Eich being promoted to CEO – apparently they were fine with his actions while he was just the CTO of Mozilla. While it’s a helpful thing to do to highlight homophobia and let the public know the kind of people they’re supporting, let’s not pretend that this was in the public’s best interests; Eich donated in 2008 and it’s been widely known for a long time. They could have dropped this ‘bombshell’ at any time but instead waited for maximum impact…

Building awareness of LGBTQ issues is always great but, so far, all that’s happened from this is that one man lost his job and OKCupid got worldwide attention again. But their publicity came at the price of one man’s personal and political choices. It isn’t right that Brendan Eich lost his job because of his personal beliefs, anymore than I should lose my job because I’m a lesbian.

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In addition to being evidence, redundant evidence, that progressives are for diversity in everything but thought, it’s an illustration of a new phenomenon. No one likes sore losers, but now we have sore winners. The gay rights movement is winning, particularly with regard to same-sex marriage, with a speed and breadth that simply takes your breath away. In Oklahoma and Utah and elsewhere. Yet unsatisfied with victory, they want to stamp out and punish people for their previous views.

This is relevant to an issue that is live in this town, that is campaign finance reform. And People who want to reform our finances and increase government control over political speech and spending say, ‘Well, everyone can surely be in favor of full disclosure of campaign contributions.’ This case is an example of why some of us who used to be for full disclosure no longer are. The people advocating full disclosure in campaign contributions say we just want voters to be able to make an informed choice. That’s not what they’re doing at all. They really want to enable themselves to mount punitive campaigns and to tear people and chill political speech.

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Both writers seem concerned that Eich’s resignation is a defeat for freedom of expression. If anything, it is a victory – the ouster of a founder and CEO by his own people, at a foundation based on open and equal expression, should be the new textbook example of the system working exactly as it should…

The end of Eich need not be a defeat for free expression, or an open culture. He was absolutely free to make his donation, to have his own beliefs, even to decline to discuss them. Mozilla’s supporters, advocates and, unusually, even its own employees were equally free to express their concerns, support or dismay at the choice. Mozilla was absolutely free to appoint anyone – whether nudist, buddhist, activist, or biblist – as CEO. It still is.

Yes, it’s messy. But that’s freedom for you.

***

While 59 percent of Americans now support marriage equality, the same percentage opposed it just 10 years ago. In other words, today’s society is no longer a comfortable place for homophobes. And that’s a good thing.

But it won’t—and shouldn’t—necessarily end careers. Take the late Sen. Robert Byrd, who joined the Ku Klux Klan at a time when it had significant political clout across the American South. After years of publicly promoting virulently racist ideologies, Byrd came to see the harm he had caused, eventually noting in his memoir, “It has emerged throughout my life to haunt and embarrass me and has taught me in a very graphic way what one major mistake can do to one’s life, career, and reputation.” But he didn’t stop there. In fact, he never stopped apologizing, once saying in 2005: “I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.” By acknowledging his past racism so candidly and emphatically, Byrd salvaged not just his career but also his dignity.

None of this means that the LGBTQ community shouldn’t hold people accountable for their actions. There is no congratulations owed for sharing past homophobia. We’ve come to expect the scripted apology after a famous athlete or celebrity lets slip a gay slur. So how do we measure actual sincerity in the aftermath of such an occurrence? By making room for reconciliation. The same patience and understanding that LGBTQ individuals have shown to homophobic family members, friends, congregations, and co-workers should extend to the public at large, even to CEOs who actively helped to overturn marriage equality—provided they want to make things right again.

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Even people who favor same-sex marriage and accept the civil-rights analogy, however, should think twice about the precedent being set by the Eich case. The civil-rights movement did not, in fact, conduct itself in this fashion. It did not seek to marginalize those who opposed it, or had reservations about it, when those holdouts made up more than a third of the population. It did not insist on public recantations by all of them.

The anti-racist consensus is today enforced through intense social pressure, but it wasn’t achieved that way. And it’s hard to see how the civil-rights movement would have succeeded had it adopted the purge as a tactic in, say, 1966.

Maybe today’s effort will be more successful. But it sure seems like an odd way to advance a healthy sense of “community.”

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Via RCP.

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Via the Corner.


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crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:24 PM

They can help, if you’ve hardly eaten today, COL. I hope they do!

I usually take two Advil and lie down for about 20-30 minutes, though…unless it’s a sinus headache…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Meow.

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 9:26 PM

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 9:18 PM

[hands Constantine pom-poms and pennants] Go get ‘em, Tiger!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:20 PM

For the life of me I still get Constant 11 and ex Nav a gator’s nic confused. Is it just me?

HonestLib on April 5, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Back soon! Chocolate run!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Believing marriage is the union between a man and a woman is not homophobic.

They all keep using that word.

I do not think it means what they think it means.

Spliff Menendez on April 5, 2014 at 9:27 PM

*glares…just because*

annoyinglittletwerp on April 5, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Do you still have the headache you woke up with?

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Did I mention it this morning? It went away and came back. I think it’s sinus although the trees aren’t blooming here yet not even the maple out front. I hate maples. I took a decongestant and it helped. I don’t want to take one at night or I won’t sleep.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:29 PM

whole world sounds like barry white

listen

snuggling canoodling embracing smooching and barry white

flowers all opening up

islam will put a stop to that

decadent infidel flowers

look behind me

theres a jew flower hiding

^ islamic rocks talk like that

but they dont bang together

because that would be sin

and ironically

you could stone them

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:30 PM

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Yeah, you mentioned it this morning on last nights QOTD thread…

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Yeah, you mentioned it this morning on last nights QOTD thread…

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:31 PM

The whole day has been a blank. My friend called and wants to pay to get my DNA tested. We’re related and she thought it might help her find out some things. I never cared about it because it will probably just say northern European.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Ratso got out the front door earlier and every time I came close to catching him he would bolt again, turning around to see if I was still after him. I guess he thought it was a game. Thank God I caught him as he stopped to eat some chives that are coming up in the garden. Man, there would be hell to pay if something happened to himmm

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Lanceman
For you.

Brat on April 5, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Believing marriage is the union between a man and a woman is not homophobic.

Spliff Menendez on April 5, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Yea, but it has been quite expensive for me…..Only drug I have never kicked is wimmen. Ain’t really complaining. Chuckle!

HonestLib on April 5, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Mozilla makes up to a million dollars a day from Google because of the default search in Firefox going to Google (and its advertisements). This deal ends in Dec 2014 and Mozilla is planning to start including ads in the blank new tab/windows of Firefox.
And maybe other revenue generators. For now you can reconfigure your Firefox to use another search provider–I have had good results with duckduckgo.com over the past few years as the
google search results have decayed due to paid search results, search ads, and personal data mining at Google. – mozillian

Comment thread at Patterico

workingclass artist on April 5, 2014 at 9:35 PM

novaculus on April 5, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Did you export them yet?

Bookmarks/Show All Bookmarks

Then, in Library dialog, try “Export Bookmarks to HTML”
Or, if JSON format is acceptable, just hit “Backup”.

unclesmrgol on April 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM

patterico link to mozilla comment
http://patterico.com/2014/04/03/mozilla-ceo-resigns-for-thoughtcrime/

workingclass artist on April 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:30 PM

They ain’t gonna sh*t to this ‘flower’.
What looks like an innocent little daisy might actually be an effing FLY TRAP!

annoyinglittletwerp on April 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM

For you.

Brat on April 5, 2014 at 9:35 PM

WTF!

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 9:37 PM

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM

If Ratso ate chives he’ll have bad breath.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:38 PM

*glares…just because*

annoyinglittletwerp on April 5, 2014 at 9:29 PM

.
ALLAH’ ! . . . . . ALT just “glared” at all of us, for no good reason.

It hurt, and everything.

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 9:39 PM

If Ratso ate chives he’ll have bad breath.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:38 PM

They are garlic chives…

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Yep, Opera is coming along nicely…

d1carter on April 5, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Lanceman
Them boys is gittin’ all pain. No delight.

Brat on April 5, 2014 at 9:42 PM

The whole day has been a blank.
crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Now that I do understand.

HonestLib on April 5, 2014 at 9:42 PM

“There has been no claim that Eich, an executive of Mozilla Corp. since its founding in 2005, discriminated against gay employees.

Ross had some fun with the hypocrisy of two of OkCupid’s co-founders, Sam Yagan and Christian Rudder. He searched the federal campaign-contribution database and found that Yagan gave to two candidates who opposed same-sex marriage: $500 to then-Rep. Chris Cannon of Utah, a Republican, in 2004; and $500 to then-Sen. Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign. Rudder donated $1,000 to Obama’s re-election effort, but that contribution came in September 2012, a few months after the president reversed his position….”

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303987004579481502667817472?mg=reno64-wsj

workingclass artist on April 5, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Them boys is gittin’ all pain. No delight.

Brat on April 5, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Fred Savage has the over-acting part down.

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 9:44 PM

Ratso indeed!

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 9:45 PM

They ain’t gonna sh*t to this ‘flower’.
What looks like an innocent little daisy might actually be an effing FLY TRAP!

annoyinglittletwerp on April 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM

you dont have to worry bout it

i might be slightly irritated watching the whole world get it on at the moment

but you can handle it yourself

and even if you cant they have to get through me to get to you

and they arent getting through me to get to you

though

i do need a traveling time allowance from shreveport so dont wait to call

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:46 PM

“Which brings us back to Citizens United. It is known as a 5-4 decision, and most of it was, but one part of Justice Anthony Kennedy’s opinion–upholding a provision requiring disclosure of political contributions–was for an 8-1 majority, with Justice Clarence Thomas dissenting alone.

Thomas’s argument rested heavily on the facts of the Proposition 8 campaign, and it’s worth quoting at length (we’re omitting legal citations and shortening and adding links to news-media ones):

Some opponents of Proposition 8 compiled this information and created Web sites with maps showing the locations of homes or businesses of Proposition 8 supporters. Many supporters (or their customers) suffered property damage, or threats of physical violence or death, as a result. They cited these incidents in a complaint they filed after the 2008 election, seeking to invalidate California’s mandatory disclosure laws. Supporters recounted being told: “Consider yourself lucky. If I had a gun I would have gunned you down along with each and every other supporter,” or, “we have plans for you and your friends.” Proposition 8 opponents also allegedly harassed the measure’s supporters by defacing or damaging their property. Two religious organizations supporting Proposition 8 reportedly received through the mail envelopes containing a white powdery substance.

Those accounts are consistent with media reports describing Proposition 8-related retaliation. The director of the nonprofit California Musical Theater gave $1,000 to support the initiative; he was forced to resign after artists complained to his employer. The director of the Los Angeles Film Festival was forced to resign after giving $1,500 because opponents threatened to boycott and picket the next festival. [John Lott and Bradley Smith, The Wall Street Journal] And a woman who had managed her popular, family-owned restaurant for 26 years was forced to resign after she gave $100, because “throngs of [angry] protesters” repeatedly arrived at the restaurant and “shout[ed] ‘shame on you’ at customers.” [Steve Lopez, Los Angeles Times]. The police even had to “arriv[e] in riot gear one night to quell the angry mob” at the restaurant. Ibid. Some supporters of Proposition 8 engaged in similar tactics; one real estate businessman in San Diego who had donated to a group opposing Proposition 8 “received a letter from the Prop. 8 Executive Committee threatening to publish his company’s name if he didn’t also donate to the ‘Yes on 8′ campaign.”

The success of such intimidation tactics has apparently spawned a cottage industry that uses forcibly disclosed donor information to pre-empt citizens’ exercise of their First Amendment rights. Before the 2008 Presidential election, a “newly formed nonprofit group . . . plann[ed] to confront donors to conservative groups, hoping to create a chilling effect that will dry up contributions.” Its leader, “who described his effort as ‘going for the jugular,’ ” detailed the group’s plan to send a “warning letter . . . alerting donors who might be considering giving to right-wing groups to a variety of potential dangers, including legal trouble, public exposure and watchdog groups digging through their lives.” [New York Times news story]

These instances of retaliation sufficiently demonstrate why this Court should invalidate mandatory disclosure and reporting requirements. But amici [friends of the court] present evidence of yet another reason to do so–the threat of retaliation from elected officials. As amici’s submissions make clear, this threat extends far beyond a single ballot proposition in California. For example, a candidate challenging an incumbent state attorney general [in West Virginia] reported that some members of the State’s business community feared donating to his campaign because they did not want to cross the incumbent; in his words, ” ‘I go to so many people and hear the same thing: “I sure hope you beat [the incumbent], but I can’t afford to have my name on your records. He might come after me next.” ‘ ” [Kim Strassel, The Wall Street Journal] “

Thomas’s conclusion (quoting an earlier opinion of his own): “I cannot endorse a view of the First Amendment that subjects citizens of this Nation to death threats, ruined careers, damaged or defaced property, or pre-emptive and threatening warning letters as the price for engaging in “core political speech, the ‘primary object of First Amendment protection.’ “

That last argument is one that has drawn wide support on the court in other contexts. In McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission (1995), a 7-2 majority struck down an Ohio law prohibiting the distribution of anonymous campaign literature. In an opinion joined by five of his colleagues (Thomas separately concurred), Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that “the decision in favor of anonymity may be motivated by fear of economic or official retaliation, by concern about social ostracism, or merely by a desire to preserve as much of one’s privacy as possible.” The applicability of that observation to Eich’s predicament is obvious.

In NAACP v. Alabama (1958), the Warren court unanimously quashed a state subpoena for the NAACP’s membership list. “This Court has recognized the vital relationship between freedom to associate and privacy in one’s associations,” Justice John Harlan noted. “Inviolability of privacy in group association may in many circumstances be indispensable to preservation of freedom of association, particularly where a group espouses dissident beliefs….”

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303987004579481502667817472?mg=reno64-wsj

workingclass artist on April 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM

2) no group supports marriage equality

“marriage equality” … My G-d!! I am so sick of these fake, lying euphemisms that the left continues to make up (and that others actually entertain and use). Pro-choice, illegal immigrant, undocumented immigrant, global warming, climate change, …

WTFFF? Of course no one can stop these self-hating nihilists from making these stupid lying terms up but it is infuriating that they get taken into the public discussion by people who ought to know better.

It is “gay pretend marriage”. Period. It isn’t “marriage”. It’s just pretend, the same way that they can pretend that they can produce a family with their gay partner.

Enough, already.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 5, 2014 at 9:49 PM

theres the soph meister

the sopherini

sophiupigus

ophie-say o-ray

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:49 PM

“Jeopardy” Greg Kihn Band (extended version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw6yROv3TeM

BTW Donny Iris (“Ah, Leah”), hometown nerdy lad that he is, put on a great concert.

onlineanalyst on April 5, 2014 at 9:49 PM

I’ll say it again: Eich did not impose a loyalty test adhering to his personal, private convictions as a condition for employment in his corporation. What is wrong with these critics?

onlineanalyst on April 5, 2014 at 9:52 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Thanks, I may wind up going that route. I haven’t counted my bookmarks ( and don’t plan too, either!), but I’m sure it’s in the thousands. But I’m well enough organized that if I remember something I marked and want to see again, I can usually find it.

unclesmrgol on April 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Yes, saved as an html file, ready for import.

novaculus on April 5, 2014 at 9:52 PM

workingclass artist on April 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Long but worth reading. This is why so many people pretend to approve of SSM. They are being bullied or they probably wouldn’t.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Hiya Axie, Baby!

Resist We Much on April 5, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Even people who favor same-sex marriage and accept the civil-rights analogy, however, should think twice about the precedent being set by the Eich case.

This is why we need a campaign on freedom of speech and thought. This would be a winning issue. Even average people who are divided on gay marriage would be united when it comes to freedom of thought and freedom of speech.

People most often need reminded of things. We need reminded of this. That even if we have differing opinions… we each have the right to express those opinions and support those opinions at the ballot box.

In truth.. this is really not about homosexuality. It is about freedom of thought and freedom of political conscience.

JellyToast on April 5, 2014 at 9:53 PM

In truth.. this is really not about homosexuality. It is about freedom of thought and freedom of political conscience.

JellyToast on April 5, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Exactly.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:55 PM

HonestLib on April 5, 2014 at 9:27 PM

It’s not just you, HL…I keep getting the frank/Frank’s mixed up as well…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:17 PM

unclesmrgol on April 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Any experience with Palemoon? That was recommended to me too. Haven’t looked into it yet.

novaculus on April 5, 2014 at 9:56 PM

The real mystery here, then, is not why Eich stepped down but why he ever got hired in the first place.

Incidentally, as the Recode story mentions, Brendan Eich is a co-founder of the Mozilla Foundation.

Boom. There ya go, idiots.

ddrintn on April 5, 2014 at 9:57 PM

‘Everybody’s Talkin” — Harry Nilsson– From ‘Midnight Cowboy’…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz6GzKWiIAs

bimmcorp on April 5, 2014 at 9:57 PM

Ratso got out the front door earlier and every time I came close to catching him he would bolt again, turning around to see if I was still after him. I guess he thought it was a game. Thank God I caught him as he stopped to eat some chives that are coming up in the garden. Man, there would be hell to pay if something happened to himmm

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Not a game, they know you’re after them. They can tell. You need to have a string handy for these situations. Cats cannot resist the string.

Fenris on April 5, 2014 at 9:57 PM

I’ll say it again: Eich did not impose a loyalty test adhering to his personal, private convictions as a condition for employment in his corporation. What is wrong with these critics?

onlineanalyst on April 5, 2014 at 9:52 PM

They’re totalitarians.

ddrintn on April 5, 2014 at 9:58 PM

Hiya Axie, Baby!

Resist We Much on April 5, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Hi, everything. :)

Hey, speaking of theme, if you ever want to canoodle, I’m here for you.

I saw you got a new toy in the Intel thread. :p

About time.

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 10:00 PM

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:34 PM

You could also find out male (and, with the more involved tests, female) ancestors in common, COL.

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:02 PM

Fox is doing a special report called “Enemies of the State”. It’s about the government coming down on private citizens for no reason.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 10:02 PM

Any experience with Palemoon? That was recommended to me too. Haven’t looked into it yet.

novaculus on April 5, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Isn’t that essentially a Firefox shell?

ddrintn on April 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM

[passes out BIG Hershey bars to everyone!!]

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM

You could also find out male (and, with the more involved tests, female) ancestors in common, COL.

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:02 PM

That’s possible. I’m thinking more in terms of my mother’s family since there are lines I haven’t found.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM

[passes out BIG Hershey bars to everyone!!]

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM

You can never have too much chocolate.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 10:05 PM

Fox is doing a special report called “Enemies of the State”. It’s about the government coming down on private citizens for no reason.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 10:02 PM

It should be called, “Enemy, The State”.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 5, 2014 at 10:05 PM

[passes out BIG Hershey bars to everyone!!]

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM

.
Milk chocolate or Special Dark chocolate ?

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Long but worth reading. This is why so many people pretend to approve of SSM. They are being bullied or they probably wouldn’t.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Coercion works…That’s why tyrants use it.

workingclass artist on April 5, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Six years ago, when Eich donated to an anti-marriage equality initiative

It wasn’t an anti-marriage equality initiative. Enough of this Orwellian Speak mendacity already. Who or what the hell is running this place these days? Common Core? It was an anti-marriage definition theft initiative. Homosexuals have already stolen the word gay by altering it’s definition and that is quite enough word definition theft by them already.

less than 40% of Americans favored marriage for same-sex couples.

Same sex couples can no more be a married couple than a tail can be a leg, and no power on earth can ever make it any different.

VorDaj on April 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM

Hey my android phone is doing something weird. It has a screen with a green android on it and it says downloading, do not turn off target.

Never did this before.

SparkPlug on April 5, 2014 at 10:08 PM

[passes out BIG Hershey bars to everyone!!]

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM

dude

you rock

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 10:08 PM

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Good to know Ratso’s safe from vampyres, OC!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Oh look.. they’re going after nuns now. Who would have thought?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/04/Gay-Comments-Land-Nun-in-Boiling-Water

You know what this is also really about.. it’s about jerks.

Homosexual activists are really nothing but jerks!

I’m not a Catholic. So I don’t observe not eating meat during lent. But if I was around a Catholic during lent I wouldn’t be shoving a steak in their face just because I can eat steaks during lent. If I was around someone who was dieting.. and I never dieted.. I wouldn’t shove candy bars and chocolate cake in my mouth in front of someone who was dieting. Nor would I demand they embrace my fat!

But this is what the homosexual activist do. They aren’t’ content in themselves.. they have no peace in who they really are..they have to demand you embrace and bow to their gayness. they need everyone to bow and accept them because they have no acceptance of themselves within themselves.

What kind of person goes around demanding people bow to their lifestyles.. demanding you love everything they do? It’s people who are empty! They are nothing but a shell. They live in emptiness and can’t stand knowing that out there somewhere is someone who doesn’t worship them. They can’t stand it! They can’t take it! And they seek that person out and have to destroy them thus proving how empty they really are on the inside.

JellyToast on April 5, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Hey my android phone is doing something weird. It has a screen with a green android on it and it says downloading, do not turn off target.

Never did this before.

SparkPlug on April 5, 2014 at 10:08 PM

maybe its making out like the rest of the ******* biosphere

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Hey my android phone is doing something weird. It has a screen with a green android on it and it says downloading, do not turn off target.

Never did this before.

SparkPlug on April 5, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Google is scanning your brain. Think nasty thoughts.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 5, 2014 at 10:10 PM

Never did this before.

SparkPlug on April 5, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Sounds like one of those science fiction movies. It probably plans to suck out your brains. Stomp on it before it’s too late.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 10:10 PM

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 10:10 PM

HA!! Beat you by a second :)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 5, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Hey my android phone is doing something weird. It has a screen with a green android on it and it says downloading, do not turn off target.

Never did this before.

SparkPlug on April 5, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Updating/upgrading?

ddrintn on April 5, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Fox is doing a special report called “Enemies of the State”. It’s about the government coming down on private citizens for no reason.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 10:02 PM

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It should be called, “Enemy, The State”.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 5, 2014 at 10:05 PM

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Is there anyone here who hasn’t seen the movie, “Enemy Of The State” ?

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 10:12 PM

So Alphapundit is pro homosexual marriage despite the fact it has zero biological use outside of giving divorce lawyers more money.

sorrowen on April 5, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactivists!

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Late to the party; still using Firefox…

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Same here. Did I miss the usual calling-out? Or is that passe these days?

Evening, everyone. Been a rough week. My human host being has been depressed lately, and it’s interfering with my activities.

Alien on April 5, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Never did this before.

SparkPlug on April 5, 2014 at 10:08 PM

LUKE!!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:13 PM

So Alphapundit is pro homosexual marriage despite the fact it has zero biological use outside of giving divorce lawyers more money.

sorrowen on April 5, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Honey, you remind me of a conservative brushingmyhair.

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 10:13 PM

What new toy do I have, Axie?

Resist We Much on April 5, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Alien on April 5, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Good to see you, Alien! Our best to Dear Mrs Alien and all the Li’l Aliens!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Is there anyone here who hasn’t seen the movie, “Enemy Of The State” ?

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 10:12 PM

i havent

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Hi, everything. :)

Hey, speaking of theme, if you ever want to canoodle, I’m here for you.

I saw you got a new toy in the Intel thread. :p

About time.

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 10:00 PM

Casting ain’t fishing until your hook gets a bite. Then your yank real hard and reel it in. Too cold yet for top water…maybe trolling for spots with a medium crank….guess a worm on the bottom will work tomorrow. Who knows….what was my point?

HonestLib on April 5, 2014 at 10:14 PM

i havent

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Neither have I.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM

Not a game, they know you’re after them. They can tell. You need to have a string handy for these situations. Cats cannot resist the string.

Fenris on April 5, 2014 at 9:57 PM

I had no time to hunt down string or yarn. I’d be dead meat if something happened to him…

Good to know Ratso’s safe from vampyres, OC!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Heh. But it wasn’t a clove, it was the green tops…

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Moi, but it’s on my To-Do List…sort of…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM

Come Together – The Beatles

kcewa on April 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM

You know after this whole debacle I am of the mind homosexuals don’t deserve my tolerance of their sexual depravity. Cause let’s face it’s just legalized sodomy…or whatever other sexual term you can think of.

sorrowen on April 5, 2014 at 10:16 PM

So, watching American Hustle, which is a good movie, by the way, but now I know it was Nixon that caused the hyperinflation of the 1970′s, not Carter, and crooked Democrat politicians only take bribes so they can put poor people to work. The propaganda is so pervasive that I wonder if people even notice it anymore.

mbs on April 5, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Brave Firefox ran away
Bravely ran away
When the Gaystapo reared it’s ugly fascist head
Firefox bravely turned it’s tail and fled
Yes, brave Firefox threw free speech out
And gallantly it completely chickened out
Bravely taking to it’s feet
It beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Firefox!

VorDaj on April 5, 2014 at 10:16 PM

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM

What part of “garlic chives” won’t save Poor Ratso! o_O

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Heh. But it wasn’t a clove, it was the green tops…

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM

Tastes the same but maybe not at this time of year. And they don’t bloom until fall.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Same here. Did I miss the usual calling-out? Or is that passe these days?

Evening, everyone. Been a rough week. My human host being has been depressed lately, and it’s interfering with my activities.

Alien on April 5, 2014 at 10:12 PM

You have been missed my young Edgar suit. Hey, don’t touch my shotgun.

HonestLib on April 5, 2014 at 10:18 PM

ddrintn on April 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Not sure what you mean by shell, but I presume it is closely related because it uses some of the same add-ons. I was told no issue with bookmark importation either.

novaculus on April 5, 2014 at 10:18 PM

VorDaj on April 5, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Reminds me of someone we know and love, doesn’t it for you, too?

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:18 PM

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 10:12 PM

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Moi, but it’s on my To-Do List…sort of…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM

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It’s worth it.

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 10:20 PM

In a lesbians case I guess it’s $&@ sex…man I’m still shocked that community was big brother in their bedroom which is why im against. Why do you want big brother in their bedroom Alphapundit?

sorrowen on April 5, 2014 at 10:20 PM

What new toy do I have, Axie?

Resist We Much on April 5, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Typical lib. Faithlessly avoid any and all responsibility. Put your grandmother under the bus as long as it keeps steamrolling the agenda.

Fascist liar.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 6:41 PM

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If you call me a lib one more time, I might just wet my tanga.

NYT: Intolerance in the Name of Tolerance

By Jonathan Rauch*

I’m a GGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLL and my name isn’t Jonathan Rauch.

Wait a sec. Let me go get my thigh-high leather boots and a whip. That way I can get into the ‘mood’ the next time that you call me a Fascist liar.

Also, if you are really interested in my opinion and what I think…

The ‘Diversity and Tolerance Brigade©’ Claims Another Scalp

A Clash of Rights: Freedom of Religion Versus Marriage Equality

The Radical Left’s High-Stakes Gamble on Intolerance: Americans Don’t Love Bullies

Refusing to Photograph a Gay Wedding Isn’t Hateful

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:16 PM

^ That guy. :)

lol — “Fascist liar.”

You used to get to laugh like that every other day. :) I was beginning to think you killed them all. I dunno — maybe it’s just the off season. I just haven’t seen you get to romp like that since Cabo.

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 10:20 PM

Cats love to play with strings. An old shoelace is good. Keep one at hand in case you need to catch Ratso again. It might only work a couple of times until he catches on.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Ratso is too young to have ever tasted fresh grass. Wonder if he will puke it up like Kitten does before digesting it? Cannot wait to feed it to him when it is ready…

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM

It’s wants big brother in their bedroom…

sorrowen on April 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Well I had my phone in my back pocket. Somehow my right butt cheek hit power, home and down volume ALL AT THE SAME TIME which started a factory reset.

So I removed the battery, with my hands, my right butt couldn’t pull that off.

Now its working fine.

close call.

SparkPlug on April 5, 2014 at 10:22 PM

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM

He’ll puke it up only if it doesn’t agree with his (it’s?) delicate tummy, OC. And guess who will get to clean it up–unless you have a doggie around…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 10:22 PM

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