Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on April 5, 2014 by Allahpundit

Six years ago, when Eich donated to an anti-marriage equality initiative, less than 40% of Americans favored marriage for same-sex couples. Today 54% do, including nearly 70% of people ages 18-29. That latter number is particularly important to Mozilla because 1) no group goes online more than millennials, 2) no group supports marriage equality more than millennials, and 3) millennials are a significant portion of current and future employees. The Eich fallout is less about the First Amendment and more about a business not understanding its business…

Mozilla is an activist organization more than a money-making corporation. The Apples and Googles of the world can lure top young talent with money and perks. Mozilla’s recruiting success depends on its ability to sell its mission. Thus the effectiveness of the CEO rests heavily on his or her ability to foster a community, not just make a buck.

And generally speaking, discrimination is a community buzzkill.

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At this point, a tech company having a C.E.O. who opposes gay marriage is not all that different from a company in 1973 having a C.E.O. who donated money to fight interracial marriage: even if there were plenty of Americans who felt the same way at the time, the C.E.O. would still have been on the wrong side of history. And since the role of a C.E.O. as a public face of an organization is more important than ever these days, Eich’s personal views were inevitably going to shape his ability to run the company.

That’s especially true because of the unusual nature of Mozilla. Mozilla is not like most companies. It’s a wholly-owned subsidiary of the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation, and is just one part of the broader Mozilla community, which includes thousands of open-source software developers and other volunteers around the world. These people still do much of the work behind Mozilla’s products—contributing code, technical support, design improvements, and so on. This means that Mozilla depends on the goodwill of its supporters more than most corporations do; it relies on their willingness to donate their services in pursuit of the broader Mozilla project, which is all about keeping the Web transparent and accessible. If it alienates them, Mozilla’s entire mission will be at risk…

The real mystery here, then, is not why Eich stepped down but why he ever got hired in the first place.

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At Mozilla, the leadership’s main job isn’t to set a strategy that makes the firm a lot of money. The chief executive’s primary purpose is to hold a community together, and then to motivate it to do great things in the absence of a lot of money — all while competing for talent with firms like Apple, Google, and Microsoft, which shower workers with dollars and perks. Mozilla offers no stock options, no lavish perks, no hope of a billion-dollar acquisition. Instead, it offers its prospective employees a single overarching advantage: the chance to work on a mission.

In such an environment, it isn’t out of bounds to consider how a certain leader’s political views might affect employees’ passion for their mission. If the community’s cohesiveness is Mozilla’s primary advantage over its rivals, the fact that Mr. Eich’s views on gay marriage might have posed some danger to that community was almost by definition disqualifying. If his job was to motivate people, and he was instead causing people to question the community’s ethic—well, at the least, you can say he wasn’t doing a good job.

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The main accusation against Eich rests on his donation to Prop 8, a California law that prohibited gay marriage, five years ago. The argument goes that this is a reflection of his personal beliefs and this belief system runs contrary to the Foundation’s values of openness and tolerance.

Incidentally, as the Recode story mentions, Brendan Eich is a co-founder of the Mozilla Foundation. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that Eich had a hand in establishing the value framework there. Given the absence of demarcation between personal and professional lives, one can argue the openness and collaboration are also reflective of his personal beliefs.

The second problem with this approach are the ramifications of this ethic to workplace diversity. Research after research has shown the benefits of workplace diversity; an organization made up of employees with identical personal and professional beliefs is an organization in stasis. Great ideas are born out of diversity and exchange of opinions, howsoever uncomfortable and complicated they may be.

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I would never defend a homophobe—but does “pure hate” homophobia include dedicating oneself to outreach to “marginalized” LGBT developers, as Eich did almost immediately? Does Mozilla further its cause — privacy uber alles and the free flow of information — by making its pioneers into pariahs in social media, while issuing blatantly hypocritical statements which claim to treasure “religious diversity” at Mozilla? (And did anyone flinch when Mark Zuckerberg held GOP fundraisers?) Is what we want ”politically correct web browsing” where the Twittersphere and “socially conscious corporations” determine whose ideas are disseminated? Is this the open internet, or shall the open-source web be verboten to those “on the wrong side of history”?

It is undeniable that public opinion is rapidly shifting toward LGBT equality, marriage included. But it should be equally undeniable that the organization dedicated to the internet as “global public resource” should understand that the “global public” also contains people who—on their own time—espouse, advocate, and sometimes monetarily support foreign, even ugly, views. Brendan Eich, who “kept his views” (which he called irrelevant to his mission) on LGBT marriage “out of Mozilla for 15 years,” should not have his life’s work invalidated by bygone donations.

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It’s no surprise that this publicity stunt by OKCupid comes on the heels of Eich being promoted to CEO – apparently they were fine with his actions while he was just the CTO of Mozilla. While it’s a helpful thing to do to highlight homophobia and let the public know the kind of people they’re supporting, let’s not pretend that this was in the public’s best interests; Eich donated in 2008 and it’s been widely known for a long time. They could have dropped this ‘bombshell’ at any time but instead waited for maximum impact…

Building awareness of LGBTQ issues is always great but, so far, all that’s happened from this is that one man lost his job and OKCupid got worldwide attention again. But their publicity came at the price of one man’s personal and political choices. It isn’t right that Brendan Eich lost his job because of his personal beliefs, anymore than I should lose my job because I’m a lesbian.

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In addition to being evidence, redundant evidence, that progressives are for diversity in everything but thought, it’s an illustration of a new phenomenon. No one likes sore losers, but now we have sore winners. The gay rights movement is winning, particularly with regard to same-sex marriage, with a speed and breadth that simply takes your breath away. In Oklahoma and Utah and elsewhere. Yet unsatisfied with victory, they want to stamp out and punish people for their previous views.

This is relevant to an issue that is live in this town, that is campaign finance reform. And People who want to reform our finances and increase government control over political speech and spending say, ‘Well, everyone can surely be in favor of full disclosure of campaign contributions.’ This case is an example of why some of us who used to be for full disclosure no longer are. The people advocating full disclosure in campaign contributions say we just want voters to be able to make an informed choice. That’s not what they’re doing at all. They really want to enable themselves to mount punitive campaigns and to tear people and chill political speech.

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Both writers seem concerned that Eich’s resignation is a defeat for freedom of expression. If anything, it is a victory – the ouster of a founder and CEO by his own people, at a foundation based on open and equal expression, should be the new textbook example of the system working exactly as it should…

The end of Eich need not be a defeat for free expression, or an open culture. He was absolutely free to make his donation, to have his own beliefs, even to decline to discuss them. Mozilla’s supporters, advocates and, unusually, even its own employees were equally free to express their concerns, support or dismay at the choice. Mozilla was absolutely free to appoint anyone – whether nudist, buddhist, activist, or biblist – as CEO. It still is.

Yes, it’s messy. But that’s freedom for you.

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While 59 percent of Americans now support marriage equality, the same percentage opposed it just 10 years ago. In other words, today’s society is no longer a comfortable place for homophobes. And that’s a good thing.

But it won’t—and shouldn’t—necessarily end careers. Take the late Sen. Robert Byrd, who joined the Ku Klux Klan at a time when it had significant political clout across the American South. After years of publicly promoting virulently racist ideologies, Byrd came to see the harm he had caused, eventually noting in his memoir, “It has emerged throughout my life to haunt and embarrass me and has taught me in a very graphic way what one major mistake can do to one’s life, career, and reputation.” But he didn’t stop there. In fact, he never stopped apologizing, once saying in 2005: “I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.” By acknowledging his past racism so candidly and emphatically, Byrd salvaged not just his career but also his dignity.

None of this means that the LGBTQ community shouldn’t hold people accountable for their actions. There is no congratulations owed for sharing past homophobia. We’ve come to expect the scripted apology after a famous athlete or celebrity lets slip a gay slur. So how do we measure actual sincerity in the aftermath of such an occurrence? By making room for reconciliation. The same patience and understanding that LGBTQ individuals have shown to homophobic family members, friends, congregations, and co-workers should extend to the public at large, even to CEOs who actively helped to overturn marriage equality—provided they want to make things right again.

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Even people who favor same-sex marriage and accept the civil-rights analogy, however, should think twice about the precedent being set by the Eich case. The civil-rights movement did not, in fact, conduct itself in this fashion. It did not seek to marginalize those who opposed it, or had reservations about it, when those holdouts made up more than a third of the population. It did not insist on public recantations by all of them.

The anti-racist consensus is today enforced through intense social pressure, but it wasn’t achieved that way. And it’s hard to see how the civil-rights movement would have succeeded had it adopted the purge as a tactic in, say, 1966.

Maybe today’s effort will be more successful. But it sure seems like an odd way to advance a healthy sense of “community.”

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Via RCP.

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Via the Corner.


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And now, a blast from the past

At the very least, it’s about time this country returned to solid fiscal policies. Welcome back the Robert Rubin regime. Either Warren Buffet or Larry Summers will soon receive a call to start planning an economic turn-around and set this country on a new course.

The failure of supply side policies over the last 8 years has created a massive federal deficit and $10 trillion debt that the country must start to address. But it’s not going to be easy.

bayam on November 4, 2008 at 11:45 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Hello ?

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Fortunately, the debt is no longer a problem according to Brayam.

The pressing issues are gay ‘marriage’ and people who dare oppose it.

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 8:34 PM

bayam, The keynesian taint.

Murphy9 on April 5, 2014 at 8:34 PM

…B I S H O P…!!!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2014 at 8:35 PM

I hope we are near the end of this topic.

cat_owner on April 5, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Evenin’ All

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 8:37 PM

At this point, a tech company having a C.E.O. who opposes gay marriage is not all that different from a company in 1973 having a C.E.O. who donated money to fight interracial marriage:

Don’t make me laugh. Opposition to aberrant sexual conduct is the moral equivalent to opposition to people of different skin color?

BuckeyeSam on April 5, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Maybe Glenn Beck could hire Brendan Eich to be his main doppelganger or impersonator.

22044 on April 5, 2014 at 8:38 PM

That latter number is particularly important to Mozilla because 1) no group goes online more than millennials

They don’t know us very well, do they… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:41 PM

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Hi :-D

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Going to bed this early Jazz? Good night then.

FrankT on April 5, 2014 at 8:43 PM

If we can keep the gays away from schools and children, they will go extinct.

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:45 PM

The Rush Gay Community Update Theme:

Klaus Nomi “You Don’t Own Me”

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Soooo much gay. I feel left out,, because I dig chicks.

I feel like a minority. An oppressed minority.

wolly4321 on April 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM

I’m not here.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM

You’re GOOD, Constantine!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Best Ghey Song of all time:

Eddie Murphy “Boogie In Your Butt”

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:47 PM

My sister used that one to clear the guys out of the house so she could clean it… :P

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Hey GF (waving)

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

I’m really tired of the assumed definition of homophobia being any opinion that disagrees with gays regarding their lifestyle.

INC on April 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on April 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Of course you’re not…you’re THERE… :P

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

I may make this a regular occurrence – posting idiotic drivel about democrats knowing anything about anything from our resident loons.

But, correlation/causation re: gays, In case Brayam wants to double down on stupidity, The freer gays are to disseminate their pride, the more public debt there is. (I’m sure this isn’t the only indicator, but it is the subject at hand)

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 8:49 PM

My sisters were in LOVE with George Michael back in these days… Even then I recognized that there is NO WAY A STRAIGHT MAN prances like that!

Wham “Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go”

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM

i hate spring

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Doing well on the East Coast there, I see ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I’m not here.

annoyinglittletwerp on April 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM

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Did everyone else just ‘hear something?’

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Don’t make me laugh. Opposition to aberrant sexual conduct is the moral equivalent to opposition to people of different skin color?

BuckeyeSam on April 5, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Don’t ever disagree with these gay snowflakes. That’s a form of hatred, you know.

non-nonpartisan on April 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM

I hate spring

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM

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Why ? . . . . . Do you live in “tornado country”?

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Best Ghey Song of all time:

Eddie Murphy “Boogie In Your Butt”

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Your alter-ego, Constantine (zero), is your polar opposite.

But, this is the gayest song of all

Probably unintentional too.

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM

How about a palette cleanser of a group of hot girls?

But this song was about VD…

Expose “What You Don’t Know”

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 8:49 PM

To put it in a positive perspective:

The Wealth of Nations Depends on the Health of Families

In this case correlation really is causation.

INC on April 5, 2014 at 8:53 PM

i hate spring

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Mud season in New England.

INC on April 5, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard and, this past week, we didn’t live up to it. We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it’s because we haven’t stayed true to ourselves.

We didn’t act like you’d expect Mozilla to act. We didn’t move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We’re sorry. We must do better.

Brendan Eich has chosen to step down from his role as CEO. He’s made this decision for Mozilla and our community.

Mozilla believes both in equality and freedom of speech. Equality is necessary for meaningful speech. And you need free speech to fight for equality. Figuring out how to stand for both at the same time can be hard.

Our organizational culture reflects diversity and inclusiveness. We welcome contributions from everyone regardless of age, culture, ethnicity, gender, gender-identity, language, race, sexual orientation, geographical location and religious views. Mozilla supports equality for all.

We have employees with a wide diversity of views. Our culture of openness extends to encouraging staff and community to share their beliefs and opinions in public. This is meant to distinguish Mozilla from most organizations and hold us to a higher standard. But this time we failed to listen, to engage, and to be guided by our community.

While painful, the events of the last week show exactly why we need the web. So all of us can engage freely in the tough conversations we need to make the world better.

We need to put our focus back on protecting that Web. And doing so in a way that will make you proud to support Mozilla.

the people who excuse this Orwellian lunacy should really just issue speech codes…it would be so much more honest. Of course the problem is that the Left doesn’t exactly know what will get you fired in 5 or 10 years…but still, they could have a big telecon and issue our Annual Speech Code list. There is still the sticky part about retro-active enforcement…but hey as long as everyone knows the Rules (retro-active is fair play) then you are pretty much covered.

much cleaner way of doing, imo

https://blog.mozilla.org/press/2014/04/brendan-eich-steps-down-as-mozilla-ceo/

r keller on April 5, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Save for special occasions

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Ok, this one is overtly heterosexual.

Bannanarama “Venus”

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Back to GHEY!

This one plays in EVERY gay bar every night:

Weather Girls “It’s Raining Men”

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I’m doing pretty good :) thanks friend.

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 8:55 PM

i hate spring

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM

maybe this will cheer your ‘I hate spring’ up some (from 1936)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ucpHwdNxnI

going2mars on April 5, 2014 at 8:56 PM

To put it in a positive perspective:

The Wealth of Nations Depends on the Health of Families

In this case correlation really is causation.

INC on April 5, 2014 at 8:53 PM

I understand that.

But I find it hilarious how the important stuff changes with idiots like Brayam.

5 1/2 years ago, the fool vainly boasted how an unaccomplished black man was gonna save the country from financial ruin. I would have bet my life savings against it not being worried at all about losing it.

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 8:56 PM

The Barack Obama OFFICIAL recruiting video for the “new navy”

Village People “In the Navy”

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:56 PM

How about a palette cleanser of a group of hot girls?

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Because you asked nicely

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:56 PM

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I am now three weeks behind on obituaries, compared to the seven I was this morning… ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:58 PM

New England Weather
By Mark Twain

The people of New England are by nature patient and forbearing, but there are some things which they will not stand. Every year they kill a lot of poets for writing about “Beautiful Spring.” These are generally casual visitors, who bring their notions of spring from somewhere else, and cannot, of course, know how the natives feel about spring. And so the first thing they know the opportunity to inquire how they feel has permanently gone by.

INC on April 5, 2014 at 9:00 PM

I admit I still love this song even today…

One of the first songs I ever heard on AM radio as a kid:

Village People “YMCA”

It’s a good thing MTV wasn’t around then or this song wouldn’t have hit #1…

Probably the gayest #1 song in history.

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Hi folks

I decided I could use a different browser (currently using Firefox) and downloaded Opera. But it appears Opera won’t import my Firefox bookmarks.

I don’t want to use Chrome because googlemonster. Suggestions on a browser that will import my bookmarks? And run AdBlock?

novaculus on April 5, 2014 at 9:00 PM

I would have bet my life savings against it not being worried at all about losing it.

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 8:56 PM

True.

INC on April 5, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Excellent! Spock’s Brain!

At least someone has one…

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Why ? . . . . . Do you live in “tornado country”?

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM

happy copulating birds

flapping flying tweeting jumping happy happy canoodling birds

i also hate capitalization punctuation and capital letters

and negativity

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:02 PM

novaculus on April 5, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Download Opera 12.0, then follow these instructions:

http://help.opera.com/Windows/12.10/en/importexport.html

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM

and redundancy

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM

also redundancy

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Really reluctant to bring this one up… But I LOVE this song.

Queen is one of my all time favorite groups, and Freddie was unquestionably one of the greatest Rock showmen ever in history. It’s tragic he passed from AIDS in 1991.

Queen “Dragon Attack” 1980

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Eich donated to an anti-marriage equality initiative

Orwell couldn’t have imagined it. It’s interesting because to have “marriage equality”, you can’t allow bride/groom weddings, and they have indeed outlawed bride/groom weddings in the homosexual states, forcing applicant A/applicant B marriage applications on the hetero couples because it is the only kind of application that works for the homo weddings. That should be politicized.

Buddahpundit on April 5, 2014 at 9:05 PM

i hate spring

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I was going to send you an invitation to o-hanami at Senzoku-Ike

Now I won’t

DarkCurrent on April 5, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Save for special occasions…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ucpHwdNxnI

going2mars on April 5, 2014 at 8:56 PM

lol :) –wow

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:05 PM

And in honor of one of our fallen, I give you verse from one of our better poets, MB4.

From earlier today at another site

Brave Firefox ran away
Bravely ran away
When the Gaystapo reared it’s fascist head
Firefox bravely turned it’s tail and fled
Yes, brave Firefox threw free speech out
And gallantly it completely chickened out
Bravely taking to it’s feet
It beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the braaaave, Firefox!

Rest in banhammer peace, MB4. You are missed.

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:02 PM

who are you? e e cummings?

with apologies to erich segal – love story

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:06 PM

I’m really tired of the assumed definition of homophobia being any opinion that disagrees with gays regarding their lifestyle.

INC on April 5, 2014 at 8:48 PM

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The abuse of the word “fear” began a while back with anything relating to ‘pro-liberal’ and ‘anti-Christianity.’

Remember the bumper stickers that said “Fear no ART”?

I wanted to tell the vehicle owner that walking around a pile of dog excrement doesn’t constitue “fear”; only ‘disgust’.
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But in their self-righteous minds, if you don’t accept them, then it’s obvious that YOU … have an irrational, illegitimate “fear”.

“What are all of you so afraid of, you bunch of scaredy-cats ?”

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It’s just another form of ‘bullying’.

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Congrats, you were trucking!!

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Late to the party; still using Firefox…

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Elton John’s pseudo-go-straight song:

“Don’t Go Breaking My Heart” 1976 with Kiki Dee

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 9:08 PM

i hate spring

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM

What ye ole’ water bed sprung a leak? Fall forward and spring back and all that.

HonestLib on April 5, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Hi OC (waving)

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Hey CL…

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:10 PM

My parents told me they had to use this Elton John to make me go to sleep as a newborn in 1972.

Elton John “Honkey Cat” 1972

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 9:11 PM

It’s just another form of ‘bullying’.

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Yep. “coercion” rather than “persuasion.” The losers don’t have the moral makeup for the latter.

non-nonpartisan on April 5, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Why ? . . . . . Do you live in “tornado country”?

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM

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happy copulating birds

flapping flying tweeting jumping happy happy canoodling birds

i also hate capitalization punctuation and capital letters

and negativity

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:02 PM

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That’s an irrational “HATE”.

Why are you so full of “hate”?

Are you a … ‘conservative’ ?

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 9:12 PM

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Thank you, CL! Got some loose branches tied together, too, while I was at it ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Stop the haaaaaaate!

You’re full of haaaaaaate!

Haaaaaaaate is not a family value!

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 9:13 PM

happy copulating birds

flapping flying tweeting jumping happy happy canoodling birds…

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Brings whole new meaning to “Fly United,” don’t it…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM

I saw those instructions, but the current version is 20.0, and they don’t work with it. I was going through the Opera Help files and saw something about importing from 12 to 20, and I thought that might be a workaround. Is that what you’re talking about?

Any suggestions on browsers that can do this without a bunch of jacking around? I heard good things about Opera, but this seems like a process they absolutely should have available in a simple format. Not a good sign.

novaculus on April 5, 2014 at 9:14 PM

By implication a self-lesbian song?

Divinyls “I Touch Myself” 1991

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Wonderful. The givers of pain & delight.

Lanceman on April 5, 2014 at 9:16 PM

And the late, great, Lou Reed… “Take a Walk on the Wild Side”…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wNknGIKkoA

bimmcorp on April 5, 2014 at 9:17 PM

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Excellent point. Once the word fear was redefined it was used as a generic coping mechanism to avoid the necessity of giving any weight and consideration to the beliefs of others, moral responsibility and/or guilt.

INC on April 5, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Brings whole new meaning to “Fly United,” don’t it…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Who knew the hidden meaning In Trans World Airlines. Flew ‘em one and still wear the wife’s panties. TMI? Chuckle!

HonestLib on April 5, 2014 at 9:17 PM

I saw those instructions, but the current version is 20.0, and they don’t work with it. I was going through the Opera Help files and saw something about importing from 12 to 20, and I thought that might be a workaround. Is that what you’re talking about?

novaculus on April 5, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Yes, that’s exactly what I mean, Novaculus. I uninstalled Opera 20.0, downloaded Opera 12.0 and followed those instructions.

FWIW, I have over 3200 Firefox bookmarks, and it worked out best in my situation. And yes, I’m naturally curious–just ask CoffeeLover. ;-) Heck, I have more youtube bookmarks (over 200) than some here have “regular” bookmarks…

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Late to the party; still using Firefox…

OmahaConservative on April 5, 2014 at 9:08 PM

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I bet you’re “ghey”.

listens2glenn on April 5, 2014 at 9:18 PM

I am out… Time for Kentucky vs Wisconsin to make it to the championship game!

GO BIG BLUE!!!!

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 9:18 PM

We need to put our focus back on protecting that Web. And doing so in a way that will make you proud to support Mozilla.

Smarmy. Why is this organization allowed to claim itself no-profit. It employes people and pays them. They don’t make money? What do they do with it. Help mankind I suppose.

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:19 PM

HonestLib on April 5, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Oh, I remember the days when I flew TWA, Pan Am and a few other airlines (keep it clean, HL–I was younger than ten years old at the time). I also remember when Eastern was THE airline at my local airport.

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Wait- is it still FireFox?

Seems like calling it Mozilla FireEich is more appropriate.

Pless1foEngrish on April 5, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Dan Savage is just a fabulous human being, as well as being a paragon of sanity.

non-nonpartisan on April 5, 2014 at 9:20 PM

ConstantineXI on April 5, 2014 at 9:18 PM

[hands Constantine pom-poms and pennants] Go get ‘em, Tiger!

Newtie and the Beauty on April 5, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Are chocolate chip cookies good for headaches?

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:24 PM

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Do you still have the headache you woke up with?

CoffeeLover on April 5, 2014 at 9:25 PM

A real classic: The Kinks— “LOLA”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVXmMMSo47s

bimmcorp on April 5, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Are chocolate chip cookies good for headaches?

crankyoldlady on April 5, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Absolutely.

Doc Holliday on April 5, 2014 at 9:26 PM

And generally speaking, discrimination is a community buzzkill.

As Mozilla is now discovering.

unclesmrgol on April 5, 2014 at 9:26 PM

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