Uh oh: 60% of Intel employees who donated in Prop 8 debate supported banning gay marriage

posted at 6:01 pm on April 4, 2014 by Allahpundit

Using the LA Times’s trusty blacklist database, Nate Silver ran the numbers on donations from people who work at Fortune 500 Silicon Valley companies and discovered that a majority of every company’s employees donated towards defeating the ban. Every company, that is, except one.

I want you to go grab some pliers, crack open your computer console, and join me in tearing the processor right out of that sucker. Political correctness begins on your own desktop, my friends.

The Los Angeles Times maintains a database of contributions for and against Proposition 8. The database includes the names of a donor’s employer, as is required by campaign finance law. I checked the records for some of the largest technology companies in Silicon Valley: specifically those that were in the Fortune 500 as of 2008. The list includes Hewlett-Packard, Intel, Cisco Systems, Apple, Google, Sun Microsystems, eBay, Oracle, Yahoo, Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) and Symantec. I limited the search to donors who listed California as their location.

In total between these 11 companies, 83 percent of employee donations were in opposition to Proposition 8. So Eich was in a 17 percent minority relative to the top companies in Silicon Valley…

However, there was quite a bit of variation from business to business. At Intel, 60 percent of employee donations were in support of Proposition 8. By contrast, at Apple, 94 percent of employee donations were made in opposition to Proposition 8. The opposition was even higher at Google, where 96 percent of employee donations were against it, including $100,000 from co-founder Sergey Brin.

Follow the link for Silver’s table with the numbers for each company. The only footnote to Intel being the sole outlier is that, at Hewlett-Packard, while there were more employees who donated against Prop 8 than for it (103/54), supporters ended up donating more actual money than opponents did ($40,990/$32,616). Sounds like someone, or ones, at HP is busting out big bucks to defeat equality. We should find them. “HP” does resemble “H8,” you know.

As for Intel, there are four ways the Eich-purgers can play it. One: Boycott the company. Won’t happen, though — Intel’s too important and it might be judged unfair to punish the entire institution for the views of a few dozen employees. Two: Ignore it on “mission accomplished” grounds. The point in banishing Eich was to warn other social conservatives in the industry to stay in line. You can do that by diligently hounding dozens of middle managers at Intel or you can do it by scalping one big-name guy with lots of press coverage. The latter’s more efficient and the message will be received just as loudly and clearly by interested parties. No need to scalp anyone else, for now. Three: Identify the highest-ranking Prop 8 supporter at each company named by Silver and purge him/her. What kind of witch hunt only ends up burning one witch, after all? There may be no Prop 8 fan at Intel quite as prominent as Eich but someone necessarily qualifies as the biggest fish in that particular pond. Throw out a line! Four: Suspend the purges in favor of a “no major promotion” policy instead. Like I said earlier, that’s really what the Eich case is about. His donation’s been a matter of public record for five years but only after he became the face of Mozilla by being named CEO was it deemed an unforgivable trespass. Prop 8 fans can continue to work in tech as long as they aren’t given positions of significant influence. That’s when the hammer comes down.

Exit question: When do we get a list of Silicon Valley donors to Obama’s campaign circa 2008, when he was still formally against traditional marriage? True, he didn’t support Prop 8 or other attempts to legally ban SSM (a strong signal at the time that his stated view was a lie), but the whole point of the equal protection argument against traditional marriage laws is that you can’t reserve “marriage” for straights without implicitly slapping a second-class-citizen stigma on gays. Obama was willing to do that, at least rhetorically. Let’s have the names.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

Time for the fascist hedonistas to fire up the trains. Those recalcitrant traditionalists aren’t going to march themselves to the camps.

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 6:03 PM

But Silicon Valley is the pillar of humanity. WHERE’S BRAYAM

Chuck Schick on April 4, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Now I love my Intel based computer even more.

rbj on April 4, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Fire Intel! Or something.

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 6:05 PM

It begins. Not only are Prop 8 jihadists going to have to stop using JavaScript, now they’re going to have to find computers made with motherboards from a compliant company. Intel is out, right jihadists?

MTF on April 4, 2014 at 6:06 PM

AMD only $4 a share. Time to open a new position.

Erich66 on April 4, 2014 at 6:08 PM

I knew there was a reason I preferred Intel to AMD.

Now I know what it is…

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Can’t purge everybody…

thebrokenrattle on April 4, 2014 at 6:10 PM

But Silicon Valley is the pillar of humanity. WHERE’S BRAYAM

Chuck Schick on April 4, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Brayam nothing! Urbane Effitist is a Sillycone Valleyite. He’s far more insufferable.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Based on the line-up this Friday bodes to be a gay-old time.

Happy Nomad on April 4, 2014 at 6:11 PM

I guess we need to open a federal clearinghouse for opinions to see if the LGBT community approves.

Sven on April 4, 2014 at 6:13 PM

So what was AMDs share? 91% Anal Munching Degenerates?

astonerii on April 4, 2014 at 6:14 PM

I guess this means more people will get fired. Amazing how Barry gets a pass for publically supporting traditional marriage at the same time as prop 8 was passed. Of course, we knew it was a lie, but that’s not the point.

cat_owner on April 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM

NYT: Intolerance in the Name of Tolerance

By Jonathan Rauch*

The online campaign that led to Brendan Eich’s resignation was intolerant and obnoxious. Also, stupid. But please don’t blame the gay community. Blame the people who did it and who do not represent or resemble mainstream gay America.

Two things are clear. One, a company is within its rights to dismiss a top executive who does not reflect its values or priorities. Two, activists are within their rights to criticize positions held by corporate executives. So what went wrong in the Mozilla/Eich case? A handful of hotheads forgot what the gay rights movement is fighting for: the embrace of diversity and the freedom for all Americans, gay and straight, to live publicly as who they truly are.

Both supporters and opponents of gay rights need to be able to speak freely without being punished for their beliefs.

This is why the mainstream gay rights leadership supports free speech. L.G.B.T. people win when both we and our opponents can speak out. It is why most ordinary gay Americans want nothing to do with efforts to silence our adversaries. It is why Andrew Sullivan, a pioneer of the gay-marriage movement, was quick to say, “If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.” That is where gay America’s heart is, even if sometimes the hotheads are noisier.

Lest we forget, the campaign against Eich was not launched by gay rights groups. It was launched by an online dating company called OKCupid. Even OKCupid’s leaders had no plan other than to “raise awareness.” In other words, they were freelance activists engaging in moral grandstanding. Well intentioned? Maybe. Dumb? Assuredly. (Should we boycott every company whose leadership does not support gay marriage? Did these guys think for even 10 seconds?) But, whatever else this may have been, it was hardly the work of the “gay community.”

It’s a big country and there are intolerant and intemperate people on all sides of every issue. This won’t be the last time activists and publicity seekers call for the head of someone they don’t like. When gay-marriage opponents claim that a new reign of terror is abroad in the land, however, please remember that the large majority of gay and lesbian Americans share with the large majority of conservatives and Christians a desire to live and let live, and it is those large majorities that will prevail in our majoritarian country.

__________________________

* Jonathan Rauch is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of “Kindly Inquisitors: The New Attacks on Free Thought” and “Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America.”

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Exit question: When do we get a list of Silicon Valley donors to Obama’s campaign circa 2008, when he was still formally against traditional marriage? True, he didn’t support Prop 8 or other attempts to legally ban SSM (a strong signal at the time that his stated view was a lie), but the whole point of the equal protection argument against traditional marriage laws is that you can’t reserve “marriage” for straights without implicitly slapping a second-class-citizen stigma on gays. Obama was willing to do that, at least rhetorically. Let’s have the names.

Allah, you can probably get that info from the OpenSecrets.org site. Last year I was easily able to find out how many Halliburton employees donated to O’bama in 2008 (that number would surprise you, as it included a Senior VP).

Del Dolemonte on April 4, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Can’t purge everybody…

thebrokenrattle on April 4, 2014 at 6:10 PM

You can, but they don’t have the political power necessary to do so.

Yet.

Doomberg on April 4, 2014 at 6:19 PM

A rather long read, but worth it.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Prediction: QOTD will be about TEH GHEYS and their propaganda machine again tonight.

Doc Holliday on April 4, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Let me make a basic observation/suggestion. Let’s relocate the non-queer techno sector to a more central location in Kansas or Texas or something. There is no reason that it all needs to be located in sodomy central, that I can see.

Buddahpundit on April 4, 2014 at 6:22 PM

I’m tempted to open the case, yank the heatsink and start caressing my Sandy Bridge…

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Turn over Intel to Obama.

He fix every thang.

Key West Reader on April 4, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Prediction: QOTD will be about TEH GHEYS and their propaganda machine again tonight.

Doc Holliday on April 4, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Yeah, as I posted above. Friday is going to be a gay old time.

Happy Nomad on April 4, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Obviously these heteronormative bigots must be drawn and quartered – Gay Fascists

workingclass artist on April 4, 2014 at 6:26 PM

I don’t think I had Intel processors, but I could be wrong. I stopped paying attention when I switched from desktops to laptops.

22044 on April 4, 2014 at 6:27 PM

I want you to go grab some pliers, crack open your computer console, and join me in tearing the processor right out of that sucker.

I’m on it now!

the_nile on April 4, 2014 at 6:28 PM

I don’t think I had Intel processors, but I could be wrong. I stopped paying attention when I switched from desktops to laptops.

22044 on April 4, 2014 at 6:27 PM

AMD is more geared towards gamers.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Gay Fascists

workingclass artist on April 4, 2014 at 6:26 PM

a/k/a FemiNazi’s

Key West Reader on April 4, 2014 at 6:29 PM

I’m tempted to open the case, yank the heatsink and start caressing my Sandy Bridge…

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Sigh… and to think I used to love my AMD CPU sooo much… Guess my next computer is going to have to be a Intel…

oscarwilde on April 4, 2014 at 6:30 PM

KOS has weighed in on this mans horrible bigotry

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/04/1289639/-Brandon-Eich-was-a-victim-of-market-forces-conservatives-should-applaud

Im pretty sure he voted for that horrible bigot Obama in 2008 before he “evolved”.

lostinjrz on April 4, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Apple computers are Intel only. Heh.

the_nile on April 4, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Idiot SSM supporters use broken materialist utilitarian metaphysics and completely upend the entire legal paradigm by equating BEHAVIOR with a whole CATEGORY of human being.

And social cons warned this would destroy the very fabric of our society only to be pooh-poohed by Allahpundits of the world.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 6:32 PM

A rather long read, but worth it.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Good one, thanks!

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Uh oh: 60% of Intel employees who donated in Prop 8 debate supported banning gay marriage

With all due respect, AP, Prop 8 wasn’t about ‘banning gay marriage’. Prop 8 was a public referendum to amend the California State Constitution to codify the definition of ‘Marriage’ as being between one man and one woman as was it’s historical definition.

That’s not a ban on gay marriage, just a refusal to redefine the meaning the word ‘marriage’.

Athos on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

AMD is more geared towards gaymers.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Slight edit!

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Time for the re-education camps.

Particular Set of Skills on April 4, 2014 at 6:37 PM

AMD is more geared towards gaymers.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Slight edit!

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Thank God I have never been a gaymer…

oscarwilde on April 4, 2014 at 6:37 PM

60% ? This seems to fly in the face of “Brayam’s World”.

CW on April 4, 2014 at 6:38 PM

FIRE THEM, EVERY DAMNED ONE OF THEM, HOW DARE THEY

clippermiami on April 4, 2014 at 6:40 PM

A handful of hotheads forgot what the gay rights movement is fighting for: the embrace of diversity and the freedom for all Americans, gay and straight, to live publicly as who they truly are.

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Typical lib. Faithlessly avoid any and all responsibility. Put your grandmother under the bus as long as it keeps steamrolling the agenda.

Fascist liar.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 6:41 PM

That’s not a ban on gay marriage, just a refusal to redefine the meaning the word ‘marriage’.

Athos on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Holy cow. All of this brouhaha over a definition, only? I did not know that. This is worse than I thought, because it IS only words.

tru2tx on April 4, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Sigh… and to think I used to love my AMD CPU sooo much… Guess my next computer is going to have to be a Intel…

oscarwilde on April 4, 2014 at 6:30 PM

That hideous, ungainly dinosaur? Please!

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Brandon-Eich-was-a-victim-of-market-forces-conservatives-should-applaud

Im pretty sure he voted for that horrible bigot Obama in 2008 before he “evolved”.

lostinjrz on April 4, 2014 at 6:31 PM

The KOS argument is so tiring. No we do not have to like every decision or outcome of the market. Such a strawman.

CW on April 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM

With all due respect, AP, Prop 8 wasn’t about ‘banning gay marriage’. Prop 8 was a public referendum to amend the California State Constitution to codify the definition of ‘Marriage’ as being between one man and one woman as was it’s historical definition.

That’s not a ban on gay marriage, just a refusal to redefine the meaning the word ‘marriage’.

Athos on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

yeah i’m glad you pointed this out.

Sachiko on April 4, 2014 at 6:49 PM

As a tech for many years, I was always under the impression that gays preferred Apples anyway. No love lost?

Oxymoron on April 4, 2014 at 6:52 PM

I hope that Mozilla reinstates the guy with full pay and benefits because I love Firefox and open-source and am not looking forward to switching browsers.

FloatingRock on April 4, 2014 at 6:54 PM

It is why most ordinary gay Americans want nothing to do with efforts to silence our adversaries.

Lest we forget, the campaign against Eich was not launched by gay rights groups. It was launched by an online dating company called OKCupid. Even OKCupid’s leaders had no plan other than to “raise awareness.”

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Please forgive me if I have trouble taking these assertions seriously. Brandon Eich was not forced out because of a few hothead or a couple of tweets. We are talking about more than a few people here, we are talking about thousands, tens of thousands, perhaps even hundreds of thousands or even millions.

Homosexuals comprise less than 3% of the American population, 3 percent of 400 million is 12 million people, in other words, the number of people who got involved and took action which led to Brandon Eich being dismissed represents a very significant percentage of the homosexual population, a greater percentage of the Homosexual population than the Homosexual represent of the American population.

Therefore if Jonathan Rauch is correct, and this was not an act launched by any Gay Rights Advocacy Group, and was not supported by any Gay Rights Advocacy Group, then that means it was a “Grassroots” action engaged in by the Homosexual Community itself. Which means that Jonathan’s assertion that it isn’t what the average American Homosexual wants is also factually incorrect.

oscarwilde on April 4, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Does anybody have an opinion about what the second-best open-source browser is? I want to stay away from NSA partners like MS and Google, which limits my choice.

FloatingRock on April 4, 2014 at 6:57 PM

So, Eich was forced out by a lousy 3% of the population.

We basically destroyed our economy and international cachet to kow-tow to a lousy 13% of the population.

Seems to me that straight, white and male is no way to go through life, son.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM

That’s not a ban on gay marriage, just a refusal to redefine the meaning the word ‘marriage’.

Athos on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Stop wasting your breath.

Allahpundit is too sophisticated to be concerned with presenting views fairly.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 7:01 PM

It’s like I said yesterday. The free market will not be kind to companies that restrict their labor force to those with particular political views. They will lose out on a lot of talent and have to pay up for what is left. Bad business all around.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 7:09 PM

Off with their heads!!!

John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 7:09 PM

Seems to me that straight, white and male is no way to go through life, son.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Not in the US, might want to send your kids to Australia.

cimbri on April 4, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Not in the US, might want to send your kids to Australia.

cimbri on April 4, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Australia won’t let just anyone in the country simply because they can speak English.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 7:12 PM

I’m tempted to open the case, yank the heatsink and start caressing my Sandy Bridge…

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 6:22 PM

got 3 of them here and also 2 ML350G5 dual xeon machines, orgasmic :)

dmacleo on April 4, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Typical lib. Faithlessly avoid any and all responsibility. Put your grandmother under the bus as long as it keeps steamrolling the agenda.

Fascist liar.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 6:41 PM

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Stop it, yer killin’ me!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

I think ALL of my ribs are broken!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

If you call me a lib one more time, I might just wet my tanga.

NYT: Intolerance in the Name of Tolerance

By Jonathan Rauch*

I’m a GGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLL and my name isn’t Jonathan Rauch.

Wait a sec. Let me go get my thigh-high leather boots and a whip. That way I can get into the ‘mood’ the next time that you call me a Fascist liar.

Also, if you are really interested in my opinion and what I think…

The ‘Diversity and Tolerance Brigade©’ Claims Another Scalp


A Clash of Rights: Freedom of Religion Versus Marriage Equality

The Radical Left’s High-Stakes Gamble on Intolerance: Americans Don’t Love Bullies


Refusing to Photograph a Gay Wedding Isn’t Hateful

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:16 PM

It is why most ordinary gay Americans want nothing to do with efforts to silence our adversaries.

Lest we forget, the campaign against Eich was not launched by gay rights groups. It was launched by an online dating company called OKCupid. Even OKCupid’s leaders had no plan other than to “raise awareness.”

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 6:17 PM

it was launched days before that, okc just amplified it.

dmacleo on April 4, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Typical lib. Faithlessly avoid any and all responsibility. Put your grandmother under the bus as long as it keeps steamrolling the agenda.

Fascist liar.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 6:41 PM

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Stop it, yer killin’ me!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

I think ALL of my ribs are broken!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

If you call me a lib one more time, I might just wet my tanga.

NYT: Intolerance in the Name of Tolerance

By Jonathan Rauch*

I’m a GGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLL and my name isn’t Jonathan Rauch.

Wait a sec. Let me go get my thigh-high leather boots and a whip. That way I can get into the ‘mood’ the next time that you call me a Fascist liar.

Also, if you are really interested in my opinion and what I think…


A Clash of Rights: Freedom of Religion Versus Marriage Equality

The Radical Left’s High-Stakes Gamble on Intolerance: Americans Don’t Love Bullies


Refusing to Photograph a Gay Wedding Isn’t Hateful

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:19 PM

If you call me a lib one more time, I might just wet my tanga.

ok I am intrigued :)

dmacleo on April 4, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Intel, listen up. Firefox taking a hit.

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 7:22 PM

oscarwilde on April 4, 2014 at 6:55 PM

I just posted the story from the NYT. Believe some, everything, or nothing in the piece, but keep this in mind: Even the NYT feels some discomfort, at least, by the intolerant, Fascistic behaviour of a few members of the ‘Diversity and Tolerance Brigade©’ a/k/a The Fred Phelps of the Left.

I take some comfort in that. ZackV and others tell us everything’s over but the counting while celebrating a feat that Ernst Röhm would have loved before the night brought out the long knives.

Society has gone crazy before. The depraved French Revolution brought Napoleon. The debauchery of the Regency Period eventually led to the uber-prudient Victoria Era. The ‘throw everything to the wind and let’s drink, drug, and fvck for tomorrow we may die’ attitude of Weimar ended spectacularly…I didn’t say in a good way. The point is that the pendulum of time and human sensibility alway seems to pull society back from the edge at the last moment.

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:31 PM

I just posted the story from the NYT. Believe some, everything, or nothing in the piece, but keep this in mind: Even the NYT feels some discomfort, at least, by the intolerant, Fascistic behaviour of a few members of the ‘Diversity and Tolerance Brigade©’ a/k/a The Fred Phelps of the Left.

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Frankly, RWM, I find that piece by Rauch to be apologetics and spin at its worst level.

He claims the majority of the gay and lesbian community had nothing to do with this. Bullsh*t. The bigots at HRC, at GLAAD, at all the other alphabet grievance-pimp organizations were all cheering this on and high-fiving it.

Rauch needs to stop making excuses for what he and his fellow halfwits have allowed to happen. Just like Excitable Andi Sullivan, they are p*ssing themselves because the Frankenstein’s monster they created is out of control, and their lies and spin about how people won’t be forced to do this, how they won’t be called names, how they won’t be pilloried, etc. are being ripped to shreds by the antics of their little brats like ZachV and JetBoy.

Rauch is flat-out lying to save his ass at this point, and he needs to be called on it.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 7:37 PM

oscarwilde on April 4, 2014 at 6:55 PM

I just posted the story from the NYT. Believe some, everything, or nothing in the piece, but keep this in mind: Even the NYT feels some discomfort, at least, by the intolerant, Fascistic behaviour of a few members of the ‘Diversity and Tolerance Brigade©’ a/k/a The Fred Phelps of the Left.

I take some comfort in that. ZackV and others tell us everything’s over but the counting while celebrating a feat that Ernst Röhm would have loved before the night brought out the long knives.

Society has gone crazy before. The depraved French Revolution brought Napoleon. The debauchery of the Regency Period eventually led to the uber-prudient Victoria Era. The ‘throw everything to the wind and let’s drink, drug, and fvck for tomorrow we may die’ attitude of Weimar ended spectacularly…I didn’t say in a good way. The point is that the pendulum of time and human sensibility alway seems to pull society back from the edge at the last moment.

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Please forgive me if my comment sounded as though it was directed at you, it was not. It was directed at Jonathan Rauch and the NYT. My comment was little more than an observation of logical disconnection in the article which seemed obvious to me.

oscarwilde on April 4, 2014 at 7:39 PM

At what point do the vast majority say “ENOUGH!!” and start cleaning house? 3% ain’t near enough if you keep pressing your luck.

fortcoins on April 4, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Time for the fascist hedonistas to fire up the trains. Those recalcitrant traditionalists aren’t going to march themselves to the camps.

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Bonus, -the Democratics’ favorite Nazi stooge George Soros has valuable experience in the logistics of loading people onto trains for one-way trips.

slickwillie2001 on April 4, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:31 PM

TYou forgot about the “happy days are here again” thing in the 20′s culminating in the Fatty Arbuckle episode. Hollywood (and everyone else) sobered up after that mainly because of the depression snd war. I hope it doesn’t take some horrible disaster to sober people up this time. And more people have been indoctrinated in group thought. But sooner or later things go too far for even the go-along crowd.

crankyoldlady on April 4, 2014 at 7:45 PM

OMG, a bigot was forced to resign his position as CEO of a non-profit. That’s surely morally equivalent to 20 centuries of Christian murder, torture and bullying of gays. Yes, let’s just ignore the hateful Christian values and get annoyed at a group of people with a legitimate grievance.

thuja on April 4, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Unhinged bigot indeed.^^^

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 8:08 PM

With all due respect, AP, Prop 8 wasn’t about ‘banning gay marriage’. Prop 8 was a public referendum to amend the California State Constitution to codify the definition of ‘Marriage’ as being between one man and one woman as was it’s historical definition.

That’s not a ban on gay marriage, just a refusal to redefine the meaning the word ‘marriage’.

Athos on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Finally, somebody actually got it, what the prop 8 was all about that is…

jimver on April 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Rauch is flat-out lying to save his ass at this point, and he needs to be called on it.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 7:37 PM

This.

I’m a GGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLL and my name isn’t Jonathan Rauch.

You quoted the disingenuous idiot. As more than one user on this thread has pointed out.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 8:15 PM

OMG, a bigot was forced to resign his position as CEO of a non-profit. That’s surely morally equivalent to 20 centuries of Christian murder, torture and bullying of gays. Yes, let’s just ignore the hateful Christian values and get annoyed at a group of people with a legitimate grievance.

thuja on April 4, 2014 at 8:04 PM

It’s not just us Christians that have been revolted by your disgusting behavior for the last 20 centuries, Cupcake. And there is absolutely nothing legitimate about the perverted lifestyle choice. All the whining, slapping, purse flinging and boycotting in the world won’t change that fact either. You can legalize it…but you cannot make it anything other than the immoral sin that it is.

bimmcorp on April 4, 2014 at 8:23 PM

With all due respect, AP, Prop 8 wasn’t about ‘banning gay marriage’. Prop 8 was a public referendum to amend the California State Constitution to codify the definition of ‘Marriage’ as being between one man and one woman as was it’s historical definition.

That’s not a ban on gay marriage, just a refusal to redefine the meaning the word ‘marriage’.

Athos on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Finally, somebody actually got it, what the prop 8 was all about that is…

jimver on April 4, 2014 at 8:13 PM

So, if Prop 8 had passed, would a gay marriage a) be able to be performed in CA; b) be recognized if having been performed in a recognizing state?

Barnestormer on April 4, 2014 at 8:27 PM

With all due respect, AP, Prop 8 wasn’t about ‘banning gay marriage’. Prop 8 was a public referendum to amend the California State Constitution to codify the definition of ‘Marriage’ as being between one man and one woman as was it’s historical definition.

That’s not a ban on gay marriage, just a refusal to redefine the meaning the word ‘marriage’.

Athos on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Thanks for clarifying that. It seems there is a lot of spin in various articles on this Mozilla issue on the description of the original Proposition.

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM

OMG, a bigot was forced to resign his position as CEO of a non-profit. That’s surely morally equivalent to 20 centuries of Christian murder, torture and bullying of gays. Yes, let’s just ignore the hateful Christian values and get annoyed at a group of people with a legitimate grievance.

thuja on April 4, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Those “20 centuries of Christian murder, etc” pale in comparison to the one century of murderous leftist oppression as they killed more in a few decades than all your imagined atrocities.

Christians murdered gays? The “category” of human did not exist until 1860′s so what the Hell are you talking about? Was there a Christian purge of “gays” in the 1880s that you know about?

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 8:34 PM

I want you to go grab some pliers, crack open your computer console, and join me in tearing the processor right out of that sucker. Political correctness begins on your own desktop, my friends.

Now that’s funny :D

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 8:35 PM

I’m a GGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLL and my name isn’t Jonathan Rauch.

Wait a sec. Let me go get my thigh-high leather boots and a whip. That way I can get into the ‘mood’ the next time that you call me a Fascist liar.
Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:16 PM

ROFL!!! I bet that’s the cleanest shave StubbleSpark ever got!!

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 8:38 PM

OMG, a bigot was forced to resign his position as CEO of a non-profit. That’s surely morally equivalent to 20 centuries of Christian murder, torture and bullying of gays. Yes, let’s just ignore the hateful Christian values and get annoyed at a group of people with a legitimate grievance.

thuja on April 4, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Can’t agree with that, thuja.

I think there’s quite a lot of misuse and misunderstanding of what a “bigot” is. Donating a grand to prop 8 support doesn’t make Eich a bigot.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

It was launched by an online dating company called OKCupid. Even OKCupid’s leaders had no plan other than to “raise awareness.”

Rauch needs to stop spinning. OKCupid threatened Mozilla.

“Hello there, Mozilla Firefox user. Pardon this interruption of your OkCupid experience. Mozilla’s new CEO, Brendan Eich, is an opponent of equal rights for gay couples. We would therefore prefer that our users not use Mozilla software to access OkCupid,” the message says.

http://news.yahoo.com/dating-protests-anti-gay-marriage-contributor-012502639.html

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) – OkCupid.com, the popular online dating site, called for a boycott of Mozilla Firefox to protest the world’s No. 2 Web browser naming a gay marriage opponent as chief executive.

http://news.yahoo.com/okcupid-urges-boycott-mozilla-cites-ceos-gay-marriage-011147779–sector.html

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

ROFL!!! I bet that’s the cleanest shave StubbleSpark ever got!!

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Yes because of all the gender references in my first post and the fact I was the only one who took issue with quoting a mincing liar’s specious argument.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 8:44 PM

HA!

KOOLAID2 on April 4, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Intel, listen up. Firefox taking a hit.

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Thanks Bmore!! They deserve everything they get. This is the one they should have gotten rid of : Mozilla Executive Chairwoman Mitchell Baker.

Guess Rauch is ok with her “tolerance”. They deserve each other.

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 8:51 PM

OMG, a bigot was forced to resign his position as CEO of a non-profit. That’s surely morally equivalent to 20 centuries of Christian murder, torture and bullying of gays. Yes, let’s just ignore the hateful Christian values and get annoyed at a group of people with a legitimate grievance.

thuja on April 4, 2014 at 8:04 PM

OMG, a fascist ghey on the left is getting hysterical on this forum because one of the greatest computer brains in this country (this is the guy who wrote the Javascript, you pathetic, brainless imbecile) donated money to a cause he believes in, which basically is stand against the redefinition of marriage. how about give your thingy a new name, dunno, like gayrriage and you can f…ing have it :)…recognized by courts and all…meanwhile, leave the marriage alone, it’s not for you and your ilk…

jimver on April 4, 2014 at 8:52 PM

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Are you really labeling RWM a ‘mincing liar’, or have I misunderstood??

bimmcorp on April 4, 2014 at 8:53 PM

OMG, a bigot was forced to resign his position as CEO of a non-profit. That’s surely morally equivalent to 20 centuries of Christian murder, torture and bullying of gays. Yes, let’s just ignore the hateful Christian values and get annoyed at a group of people with a legitimate grievance.

thuja on April 4, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Now, who is going over the top in reaction to this?

If you are going to make a judgement on this issue, make it on the facts, thuja.

No need to bring Christians into this either.

You could also explain the legitimate grievance you mentioned.

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Can’t agree with that, thuja.

I think there’s quite a lot of misuse and misunderstanding of what a “bigot” is. Donating a grand to prop 8 support doesn’t make Eich a bigot.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Thanks for the sanity, JetBoy. I think thuja is just upset as my exchanges with him haven’t been that way. I hope he doesn’t bit my head off.

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 9:02 PM

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Yes because of all the gender references in my first post and the fact I was the only one who took issue with quoting a mincing liar’s specious argument.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Oh, don’t take offense. We often quote articles that are written by others. It appeared to me that you thot RWM was stating her opinion when posting that Rauch article.

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 9:06 PM

By Jonathan Rauch*

But please don’t blame the gay community. Blame the people who did it and who do not represent or resemble mainstream gay America.

A flat-out lie, the progressive homosexual agenda is the agenda of the vast majority of homosexuals.

Rebar on April 4, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Bonus, -the Democratics’ favorite Nazi stooge George Soros has valuable experience in the logistics of loading people onto trains for one-way trips.

slickwillie2001 on April 4, 2014 at 7:44 PM

I’d give my left nut for Soros to try to personally load me onto one of those trains. Bring it.

8 weight on April 4, 2014 at 9:29 PM

A brief background on Brendan Eich, CEO of Mozilla that was forced to resign.

The one thing all sides can agree on is that Eich, on paper, is very well suited to the job. His most notable technical achievement is the invention of the Javascript programming language, and while some of us might sniff at the poor design decisions which made that language notoriously unpleasant to work with, it is incontestable that it forms the underpinnings of much of the modern web. Indeed, a great deal of the complexity in a modern web browser is devoted to interpreting JavaScript as quickly and correctly as possible, and a staggering amount of work has gone into finding ever more baroque methods of optimizing its execution.

Eich himself is quite familiar with all of this labor, having served in senior technical roles at Mozilla since he co-founded it.
In fact, he has worked there almost continuously for the past sixteen years—an aeon in Silicon Valley—and is widely-known and liked within the company, the non-profit foundation that controls it, and the broader community of programmers around it.

http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/04/mozilla-mo-problems

And now he has been forced out of his position, after having been named CEO!! Because of intolerance by Mozilla. How disgraceful for the bigots of Mozilla, the bigoted OKCupid outfit and others of like mind.

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 9:30 PM

OMG, a bigot was forced to resign his position as CEO of a non-profit. That’s surely morally equivalent to 20 centuries of Christian murder, torture and bullying of gays. Yes, let’s just ignore the hateful Christian values and get annoyed at a group of people with a legitimate grievance.

thuja on April 4, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Considering you’re screaming for people to be murdered based on their political and religious beliefs, that is utter and gross hypocrisy on your part.

Furthermore, Christians didn’t make you have bareback sex while taking meth and spread HIV. You did that to yourself, and hundreds of thousands of people have died because you and your fellow drama queens were too stupid and lazy to wear condoms and act like intelligent human beings.

Furthermore, you put the lie to Rauch’s attempt to claim that this was a nonrepresentative minority of the gay and lesbian community. The vast and overwhelming MAJORITY of the gay and lesbian community is like you — anti-Christian, emotionally and intellectually immature, and looking to use government to take out your murder and revenge fantasies against the people you use as scapegoats for your dumbass decisions.

Filthy thuja, why would I hire you? You’re a workplace discrimination lawsuit waiting to happen because you would be screaming at any colleague who dared express their faith and demanding they be fired.

AND EVERY SINGLE “REAL” GAY PERSON ACTS LIKE YOU DO.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Oh, don’t take offense. We often quote articles that are written by others. It appeared to me that you thot RWM was stating her opinion when posting that Rauch article.

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 9:06 PM

I’m smarter than I look.

The therapeutic libs have no right to middle ground on this.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 9:52 PM

Are you really labeling RWM a ‘mincing liar’, or have I misunderstood??

bimmcorp on April 4, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Rauch is the liar.

RWM is merely confused. And proud.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM

“Two: Ignore it on “mission accomplished” grounds. The point in banishing Eich was to warn other social conservatives in the industry to stay in line.”

Yes. If not the intent, certainly the effect . . .

EVERY attack like this, whether or not a tactical success, is a larger strategic success. Who wants to be vilified so personally and so publicly? Best you keep your mouth shut . . .

The process IS the punishment.

BLOC on April 4, 2014 at 10:04 PM

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 9:06 PM

I’m smarter than I look.

The therapeutic libs have no right to middle ground on this.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 9:52 PM

I didn’t mean to imply that you were not smart. Your screen name isn’t one I’ve seen very much, so don’t “know” you. We had open registration recently and many that registered have not posted.

I don’t see where Mozilla or anyone defending what they did would be justified here.

bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 10:05 PM

OFF WITH THEIR HEADS ! ! !

listens2glenn on April 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM

OMG, a bigot

thuja on April 4, 2014 at 8:04 PM

No the guy’s not a bigot. You’re a liar…and one who supports the slaughter of millions and millions of unborn babies. No , you don’t have the moral high ground…in fact, you’ve based on statistics, have never been harmed for being gay or whatever the phuck you are.

CW on April 4, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Now, who is going over the top in reaction to this?


bluefox on April 4, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Thuja’s a disgusting pig …and a drama Queen.

CW on April 4, 2014 at 11:31 PM

That’s not a ban on gay marriage, just a refusal to redefine the meaning the word ‘marriage’.

Athos on April 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Holy cow. All of this brouhaha over a definition, only? I did not know that. This is worse than I thought, because it IS only words.

tru2tx on April 4, 2014 at 6:47 PM

There’s a saying: “Truth is the first casualty of any war.”

I believe the Culture War Corollary should be: “Language is the first casualty of any culture war.”

The big SSM push started with changing the language.

Suddenly, we had people claiming that marriage had meant many different things over the years, and had been redefined multiple times.

People started claiming that marriage was originally just a way to pass down property rights to his daughter to her husband. Essentially, they said, the wife was just chattel.

Without changing a word of the Constitution — a quaint little process we used to refer to as an “Amendment” — the ‘Equal Protection’ clause of the Constitution suddenly guaranteed that a man could marry another man if that was what he wanted.

The fact that not all marriages produce children led to federal judges declaring that marriage has nothing to do with children.

Of course, sex doesn’t always produce children, either. So I suppose the same logic proves there is no link between sex and reproduction.

Then, of course, we had the inevitable new language invented, like Marriage Equality, and gay marriage, with the original concept of marriage dismissed as merely traditional marriage.

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 4, 2014 at 11:42 PM

I want you to go grab some pliers, crack open your computer console, and join me in tearing the processor right out of that sucker. Political correctness begins on your own desktop, my friends.

Hahaha…Excellent! Can’t stop laughing after reading that.

Lourdes on April 5, 2014 at 1:57 AM

Lest we forget, the campaign against Eich was not launched by gay rights groups…

From: NYT: By Jonathan Rauch*

Too wimpy, too late, too wrong. As in, no way. Not even laughably wrong, it’s just deceitful.

Lourdes on April 5, 2014 at 2:06 AM

Comment pages: 1 2