Uh oh: 60% of Intel employees who donated in Prop 8 debate supported banning gay marriage

posted at 6:01 pm on April 4, 2014 by Allahpundit

Using the LA Times’s trusty blacklist database, Nate Silver ran the numbers on donations from people who work at Fortune 500 Silicon Valley companies and discovered that a majority of every company’s employees donated towards defeating the ban. Every company, that is, except one.

I want you to go grab some pliers, crack open your computer console, and join me in tearing the processor right out of that sucker. Political correctness begins on your own desktop, my friends.

The Los Angeles Times maintains a database of contributions for and against Proposition 8. The database includes the names of a donor’s employer, as is required by campaign finance law. I checked the records for some of the largest technology companies in Silicon Valley: specifically those that were in the Fortune 500 as of 2008. The list includes Hewlett-Packard, Intel, Cisco Systems, Apple, Google, Sun Microsystems, eBay, Oracle, Yahoo, Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) and Symantec. I limited the search to donors who listed California as their location.

In total between these 11 companies, 83 percent of employee donations were in opposition to Proposition 8. So Eich was in a 17 percent minority relative to the top companies in Silicon Valley…

However, there was quite a bit of variation from business to business. At Intel, 60 percent of employee donations were in support of Proposition 8. By contrast, at Apple, 94 percent of employee donations were made in opposition to Proposition 8. The opposition was even higher at Google, where 96 percent of employee donations were against it, including $100,000 from co-founder Sergey Brin.

Follow the link for Silver’s table with the numbers for each company. The only footnote to Intel being the sole outlier is that, at Hewlett-Packard, while there were more employees who donated against Prop 8 than for it (103/54), supporters ended up donating more actual money than opponents did ($40,990/$32,616). Sounds like someone, or ones, at HP is busting out big bucks to defeat equality. We should find them. “HP” does resemble “H8,” you know.

As for Intel, there are four ways the Eich-purgers can play it. One: Boycott the company. Won’t happen, though — Intel’s too important and it might be judged unfair to punish the entire institution for the views of a few dozen employees. Two: Ignore it on “mission accomplished” grounds. The point in banishing Eich was to warn other social conservatives in the industry to stay in line. You can do that by diligently hounding dozens of middle managers at Intel or you can do it by scalping one big-name guy with lots of press coverage. The latter’s more efficient and the message will be received just as loudly and clearly by interested parties. No need to scalp anyone else, for now. Three: Identify the highest-ranking Prop 8 supporter at each company named by Silver and purge him/her. What kind of witch hunt only ends up burning one witch, after all? There may be no Prop 8 fan at Intel quite as prominent as Eich but someone necessarily qualifies as the biggest fish in that particular pond. Throw out a line! Four: Suspend the purges in favor of a “no major promotion” policy instead. Like I said earlier, that’s really what the Eich case is about. His donation’s been a matter of public record for five years but only after he became the face of Mozilla by being named CEO was it deemed an unforgivable trespass. Prop 8 fans can continue to work in tech as long as they aren’t given positions of significant influence. That’s when the hammer comes down.

Exit question: When do we get a list of Silicon Valley donors to Obama’s campaign circa 2008, when he was still formally against traditional marriage? True, he didn’t support Prop 8 or other attempts to legally ban SSM (a strong signal at the time that his stated view was a lie), but the whole point of the equal protection argument against traditional marriage laws is that you can’t reserve “marriage” for straights without implicitly slapping a second-class-citizen stigma on gays. Obama was willing to do that, at least rhetorically. Let’s have the names.


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A handful of hotheads forgot what the gay rights movement is fighting for: the embrace of diversity and the freedom for all Americans, gay and straight, to live publicly as who they truly are.

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Typical lib. Faithlessly avoid any and all responsibility. Put your grandmother under the bus as long as it keeps steamrolling the agenda.

Fascist liar.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 6:41 PM

What I thought, too, StubbleSpark, while reading that NYT drivel. It appears that writer there is trying vainly to salvage something that is nonsalvageable.

Lourdes on April 5, 2014 at 2:13 AM

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Typical lib. Faithlessly avoid any and all responsibility. Put your grandmother under the bus as long as it keeps steamrolling the agenda.

Fascist liar.

StubbleSpark on April 4, 2014 at 6:41 PM

What I thought, too, StubbleSpark, while reading that NYT drivel. It appears that writer there is trying vainly to salvage something that is nonsalvageable.

Lourdes on April 5, 2014 at 2:13 AM

(Not about RWM but about the writer from NYT that RWM quoted, what was written in that quoted material — having just read earlier comments, I see that some misunderstood who StubbleSpeak referred to and which I agree with).

Lourdes on April 5, 2014 at 2:24 AM

Society has gone crazy before. The depraved French Revolution brought Napoleon. The debauchery of the Regency Period eventually led to the uber-prudient Victoria Era. The ‘throw everything to the wind and let’s drink, drug, and fvck for tomorrow we may die’ attitude of Weimar ended spectacularly…I didn’t say in a good way. The point is that the pendulum of time and human sensibility alway seems to pull society back from the edge at the last moment.

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:31 PM

… and sends it over the opposite edge, as you described.
That’s the thing about pendulums: they don’t stop in the middle.

Eich’s persecutors are playing with fire, and someday they are going to get burned.

AesopFan on April 5, 2014 at 2:54 AM

When do we get a list of Silicon Valley donors to Obama’s campaign circa 2008, when he was still formally against traditional marriage?

Answer: When Hell’s a hockey rink, since the Obama campaign website deliberately disabled donor verification in violation of Federal law in BOTH 2008 and 2012. Naturally, the FEC did nothing. After all, Lois Lerner worked there.

SDN on April 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM

“I want you to go grab some pliers, crack open your computer console, and join me in tearing the processor right out of that sucker.”

HuffPo blogging hardest hit.

blammm on April 5, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Firefux used to be a popular browser. Until the Militant gay poo flingers ruined the brand.

Bmore on April 5, 2014 at 9:21 AM

I’m curious what the younger generation thinks of this. No, not gay marriage. I know they support it and that’s a good thing. What interests me is whether the Left has been so successful with all of the “microaggression”, speech codes, and hate-speech-isn’t-free-speech garbage they’ve been spewing at universities and elsewhere that the majority of younger people see nothing wrong with getting rid of someone for donating a grand to an unpopular cause. I fear the answer might be yes. When the inevitable polls come out concerning the “resignation”, the age breakdown is the first thing I will be looking at. Scary times.

DisneyFan on April 5, 2014 at 9:35 AM

Bmore on April 5, 2014 at 9:21 AM

It’s the way of activists of all stripes. They go way too far and reap a backlash. Often the opposing activists end up doing the same and back and forth it goes. So, it is the right’s ball to serve now.

MJBrutus on April 5, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Fire the companies, throw everybody out into the street. We must have either universal agreement or universal silence, no exceptions.
60% dare to raise their heads up from the fox holes? Unacceptable ! Time for the thought police. There are still people who think there’s room for dissent? Obviously there’s a need for political commissars, it worked in the Soviet Union, it can work here !

arand on April 5, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Uh oh: 60% of Intel employees who donated in Prop 8 debate supported banningnot having the California government officially recognize gay marriage

FIFY

Seriously, stop with the lies that the left/media are spreading. No one is asking the ban same sex marriage. Just like it’s BS when people say that gay marriages are illegal.

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 5, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Interesting irony on this thread.

RWM, a well regarded and widely respected commenter here at HA, whose work here and on her own blog has been extraordinary and who routinely cites her sources, posted an article from the NYT in pointing out an interesting facet of the debate revolving around Eich’s resignation from Mozilla.

She made it eminently clear that she was presenting an article by a gay journalist, and was doing so to point out that there are those among the gay activists, specifically, and on the LEFT, more generally, who are feeling a distinct discomfort with the events and behavior that led to Eich’s resignation.

Yet, there are those who seek to argue against what was presented in the article that ran in the NYTimes and have couched their argument directly to RWM, as if she should defend the article, or have somewhat less than tacitly, suggested she deny support for what is contained in that article, or worse, seek to accuse her by mere association with the article.

I’m waiting to see if you’re going to end by stepping into the shoes of those you claim to despise… and actually suggest she resign.

thatsafactjack on April 5, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Did people really think that the gay activists were cuddly little puppies. They hate God and anything that smacks of His law. Look no further than the Southern Poverty Legal Center. They take no responsibility for their own garbage. It will be their demise. Judgment day comes for all of us.

crosshugger on April 5, 2014 at 10:17 AM

That’s a lot of layoffs. I wonder if these gay brigade types are going to boycott intel, apple, and google? I guess they are going to have to go back to snail mail? Since you only have a choice between PC or Mac?

Brock Robamney on April 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM

I’m waiting to see if you’re going to end by stepping into the shoes of those you claim to despise… and actuallybut unlike the gaystapo you didn’t suggest she resign. thatsafactjack on April 5, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 10:28 AM

As those that come here everyday mostly likely noticed that when logging into this site you need to have JavaScript enabled to post a comment. Does this mean that those who disliked Eich’s position won’t be commenting anymore?

flahockey on April 5, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 10:28 AM

I see you can’t manage to put together a cogent comment of your own.

thatsafactjack on April 5, 2014 at 10:57 AM

MJBrutus on April 5, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Yep.

Bmore on April 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Firefux used to be a popular browser. Until the Militant gay poo flingers ruined the brand.

Bmore on April 5, 2014 at 9:21 AM

After years of using Firefox I just switched to Opera. I got NotScript for it (which is very much like NoScript and seems to work well). I’m pretty happy with the new setup (there appears to be decent control of javascripts for each site) and glad to be off of Firefox.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM

The gay headhunters might just want to review what ended up happening to Robespierre.

RSbrewer on April 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM

The Eich case demonstrates precisely why it’s necessary for us to raise our objections to gay marriage time and again and again. It perverts the definition and purpose of marriage, which is to foster the creation and raising of children.

Stoic Patriot on April 5, 2014 at 11:51 AM

In response to the beat-down of Brendan Eich, the Executive Chairwoman of Mozilla, Mitchell Baker, wrote the following in a post on the Mozilla Blog:

Mozilla believes both in equality and freedom of speech. Equality is necessary for meaningful speech. And you need free speech to fight for equality. Figuring out how to stand for both at the same time can be hard. Our organizational culture reflects diversity and inclusiveness. We welcome contributions from everyone regardless of age, culture, ethnicity, gender, gender-identity, language, race, sexual orientation, geographical location and religious views. Mozilla supports equality for all.

We have employees with a wide diversity of views. Our culture of openness extends to encouraging staff and community to share their beliefs and opinions in public. This is meant to distinguish Mozilla from most organizations and hold us to a higher standard. But this time we failed to listen, to engage, and to be guided by our community.

TRANSLATION: Diversity is more important than Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech, especially if you are Conservative, Christian, and/or Pro-Traditional Marriage.

So, what’s the answer?

Simple. Average Americans, like you and me, either stand up on their hind legs, ignore the push polls,open the window and shout “I’m mad as Hell and I’m not going to take this anymore” or we just sit back like lambs led to the slaughter and watch as our Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion fade away like the ancient Roman Empire.

And, I aint lion…err…lyin’.

kingsjester on April 5, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Yes, lets purge.

Hey.. can we go dig up things from the left? Wondering how many people in Hollywood once supported Hitler? How many from he left once supported the KKK?

I’d really love this same kind of inspection of the beginnings and past of, say.. Planned Parenthood.

JellyToast on April 5, 2014 at 11:56 AM

JellyToast on April 5, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Unfortunately, my good friend, you won’t get it. The Left are nothing but a bunch of intolerant hypocrites.

kingsjester on April 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM

I’m heading that way as well. Just haven’t had a chance to finalize which browser to replace Firefux with and don’t have time to do all the machines just yet. Maybe by Monday. ; )

Bmore on April 5, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Yes, lets purge.

JellyToast on April 5, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Folks are. Rather quickly might I add. Militant gays are such a drag. Bad for the bottom line in this instance as well. P.S. Firefux is cooking their own graphs now. Lolz! May as well I guess. The goose is cooked.

Bmore on April 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 10:28 AM I see you can’t manage to put together a cogent comment of your own. thatsafactjack on April 5, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Oh ok, well, first time for everything – here goes!

You strongly implied that, any minute from now, those outraged by Eich’s treatment will do what they criticize others for, revealing themselves as hypocrites.

They haven’t done so yet that I’m aware, but you feel compelled to suggest that they will in order to deflect criticism from the gaystapo.

So because you are among those who think that he should have been pressured to resign, and are stung by the criticism his detractors are receiving, you think that you have found a way to have your cake and eat it too: “I’m rubber you’re glue.”

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Oh. For those of you who haven’t yet read Allahs Quotes of the Day. You may want to. Read the full articles as well. Very enlightening. A quote from one.

In this case, it seems Mozilla management is protecting the interest of their investors (which is their primary job) by having Brendan Eich step down.

Funny!!!

Bmore on April 5, 2014 at 12:08 PM

I don’t want to see marriage redefined. “Man” and “Woman” are not discrimminatory words. Gay relationships are simply different than heterosexual ones so if they want to form a committed union, find a different word! Recently, I thought about “Conscious Coupling”…if it’s good enough for Gwyneth, right?

monalisa on April 5, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM

I said cogent thought.

You assume, out of thin air, that I think Eich should have been pressured to resign. Nothing could be further from the truth.

As a matter of fact, I neither said nor implied anything about my position on this issue in my post.

You just decided to leap to that conclusion.

Since you’ve obliged me and offered up conclusive proof that you’re incapable of reasoning and offering a cogent post of your own construction…thanks.

Now, keep walking.

thatsafactjack on April 5, 2014 at 12:23 PM

thatsafactjack on April 5, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Ok, you don’t believe that he should have been jettisoned. You do apparently believe that no one criticizing the gaystapo in this case is any better than they are.

If you don’t agree with his critics, then what the hell is the point of your post other than to bash his defenders?

Your assertion that I can’t make a “cogent comment” is insulting and gratuitous. So we’re even.

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Eich’s persecutors are playing with fire, and someday they are going to get burned.

AesopFan on April 5, 2014 at 2:54 AM

As Andrew Sullivan said yesterday – they ruined all their progress with their Adolfian means.

In this case, it seems Mozilla management is protecting the interest of their investors (which is their primary job) by having Brendan Eich step down.

Funny!!!

Bmore on April 5, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Indeed. Since Google funds most of Mozilla, maybe they’re happy to ruin FF, pushing Chrome and their other crap. Boycott Google.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 12:36 PM

Morning J. Play it, over and over. You’re most definitely overworked…meant in a good way.

Your assertion that I can’t make a “cogent comment” is insulting and gratuitous. So we’re even.

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 12:30 PM

It’s painful to see you two good people fight. Akzed, you were insulting too. Now, shake, both of you, and fight the rats. Or just forget it. It’s springtime but dark times in America.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Firefux used to be a popular browser. Until the Militant gay poo flingers ruined the brand.

Bmore on April 5, 2014 at 9:21 AM

To be fair, it’s popularity was in decline even before then. I guess that’s what happens when you stop respecting the majority of your users in the name of, “This is good for you, you should like the all of the changes we are making. Too bad for you if you don’t.” Mozilla is a poorly run organization in my opinion, and they keep proving it lol.

I am guiltlessly not giving up FF, because it’s free and it’s the only browser that suits my purposes, but I would have quit OKCupid if I had been member.

non-nonpartisan on April 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

but I would have quit OKCupid if I had been member.

non-nonpartisan on April 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

They should rename themselves to OKWar :) What an ironic name, for who they are.

I hope they all go under. I love how the Silicon scions of “equality” and “freedom” are the biggest thugs on Earth. It’s actually very revealing and the gay movement was set back, a lot. Mark it. Hitler shot most of his brown-shirts, after he used the fools. He hated them more than anyone else.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 12:44 PM

I know there is a gay mafia right here on Hot Air, or as many folks call it, Gay Air.

Rebar on April 5, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Indeed. Since Google funds most of Mozilla, maybe they’re happy to ruin FF, pushing Chrome and their other crap. Boycott Google.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 12:36 PM

I hate Google. The changes that have occurred within FF due to the increasing influence of Google are improvements, according to them lol. Too bad most of their users wouldn’t agree.

Good rant about this.

non-nonpartisan on April 5, 2014 at 12:49 PM

JUST dis=install Firefox and write the corp at 2 Harrison St., San Fran, and tell them you are exercising your free speech.

rennyangel2 on April 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

So because you are among those who think that he should have been pressured to resign, and are stung by the criticism his detractors are receiving, you think that you have found a way to have your cake and eat it too: “I’m rubber you’re glue.”

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM

tafj never implied or typed anything related to the bolded section.

I’m with RWM, about who’s NYTs linked article tafj typed, that Tammy Bruce and Andrew Sullivan, a few others, incl. here on HA, are the most plausible and objective critics about what transpired at Mozilla. These gay personalities know that what happened at Mozilla will come back to whack their progress, and then some. This case will simply not go away and the consequences will be way beyond the Duck Dynasty kerfuffle.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Intel has over 100,000 employees. About 50,000 are in the US; there was no breakdown to show the number of employees in California.

How would it ever make sense to penalize 100,000 employees when only about 150 employees voted for or against this Proposition and Intel as a corporation apparently took no position on it?

jim56 on April 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM

You strongly implied that, any minute from now, those outraged by Eich’s treatment will do what they criticize others for, revealing themselves as hypocrites.

……..

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM

They already have done what they criticized. Two pro-life groups wanted people to boycott United Airlines because the CEO (in his personal role) co-chaired a Planned Parenthood event.

jim56 on April 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

I’m abjectly sorry I misunderstood his pointless, incoherent comment attempting to equate Eich’s critics and defenders for some reason.

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

I’m abjectly sorry I misunderstood his pointless, incoherent comment attempting to equate Eich’s critics and defenders for some reason.

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Good one, all that needed to be said. If you look further, same kind of replies…I thought at one point that someone attacked RWM. Lourdes realized her own comment and clarified later.

These things are easy to do.

tafj is a reasonable lady and I hope she reads this and you two move on to fry bigger fish.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM

They already have done what they criticized. Two pro-life groups wanted people to boycott United Airlines because the CEO (in his personal role) co-chaired a Planned Parenthood event.

jim56 on April 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

What’s your flukeing point? They have that right, to boycott. Boycotting is not firing the CEO.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Jimbo3 with the relativism. Jimbo3 the stalinist lawyer would shove every person he could into camps and ovens if he had the power.

Murphy9 on April 5, 2014 at 1:15 PM

What’s your flukeing point? They have that right, to boycott. Boycotting is not firing the CEO.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:10 PM

It is the same point. They were boycotting a company because of the personal beliefs of a CEO.

jim56 on April 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM

tafj never implied or typed anything related to the bolded section. Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:00 PM

He was pre-emptively criticizing critics of the gaystapo for being like them – even though they had not done what he speculated they might do. I often misunderstand needless attacks on ideological allies. Please try to find it in your heart to forgive me.

They already have done what they criticized. Two pro-life groups wanted people to boycott United Airlines because the CEO (in his personal role) co-chaired a Planned Parenthood event. jim56 on April 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Whom do you mean by “they”? These two groups were critical of something besides Eich’s attackers. But their action was better justified than Eich’s attackers, since he was against ghey “marriage” at the same time 0b00ba (supposedly) was, and he actually did what he’s being accused of, unlike the imaginary objects of tafj’s potential contempt.

I’m still using Firefox, to show you what I think of boycotts. More power to all who dump Firefox if they want to. I don’t need the hassle, not being tech savvy enough to endure whatever disasters of my own doing switching browsers might entail. It’s a good product that suits me fine.

If I’m going to boycott people and corporations who commit acts I disagree with I’d have to be a hermit. Even sillier would be to criticize people who otherwise agree with me because maybe someday they’ll do something that will almost prove they could be hypocrites.

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 1:26 PM

It is the same point. They were boycotting a company because of the personal beliefs of a CEO.

jim56 on April 5, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Once again. ALL are free to boycott anything.

Boycotting is NOT firing.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:27 PM

The Los Angeles Times maintains a database of contributions for and against Proposition 8.

Yeah, but they sure are keeping that Obama-Khalidi going away party video under wraps aren’t they now?

I also searched to see if the LA Times published that story about Shrillary’s State Department “misplacing” $6 billion during her tenure….nada.

Reminds me of this CBN report I viewed today, not that it can happen here, of course, and certainly CBN are bunch of racists as are the Swedes they interviewed/s:

Sharia Sweden: Swedish Newspaper Hacks Disqus, Goes to Commenters’ Homes with Cameramen

However, we did have the publishing of the NY gun owners by the Journal News (trial run with a small newspaper? a warning of things to come if you want to own your own guns?)

Oh, and then there was the targeting of Conservative organizations by the IRS. But I wonder what percentage of Americans (that are even aware of this story) think that it was proper as these are political hate groups that shouldn’t be afforded tax exemptions anyway…unlike the “good” organizations like ACORN, et al that are simply trying to help the poor and downtrodden-WWJD?)

Some folks talk about the FEMA camps and all that, but that’s not really necessary. In a stagnant economy all the Communists have to do is compile a database of undesirables and make people scared shitless about losing their jobs because new ones are harder to find.

Sounds to me like how the Jews and members of various political groups were excluded from certain positions in the Third Reich. It’s the Leftist version of “McCarthyism”. McCarthy was right, but even 60 years ago the Left was powerful enough to destroy him along with the necessary support of typical American normalcy biased sheeple who don’t want to see anyone’s feelings hurt…even if they really are trying to take over the country.

What we believe to be truly American and Patriotic is being supplanted with Socialism, and we therefore are being made out to be the un-American, un-Patriotic subversives.

And if you want to know what these groups are and if you’re one of them, naturally check with the SPLC. You could be a Thought Criminal and not even know it! Thought Crime is so insidious you know.

But there is help for you:

Psychology bolsters the world’s fight against racism;
APA’s delegates at a UN conference underscored psychology’s role in overcoming racism. It now falls to psychologists to carry on the effort.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 5, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Nothing to forgive, since I like both of you, in different ways, and just wish that both of you untangle the ‘web’. I understood tafj’s comment for what it was meant.

Btw, tafj is a great lady, very objective and multi-faceted. She’ll hopefully come by later to address you directly. She fights good on her own and forgives just as good, when good will is displayed.

Worry not, Akzed, I’ve misinterpreted others’ comments, and have been “undermisunderstood”, as GWB would say :)

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:34 PM

But it’s a mistake to draw any such conclusions in this case, for one simple reason: Mozilla is not a normal company. It is an activist organization. Mozilla’s primary mission isn’t to make money but to spread open-source code across the globe in the eventual hope of promoting “the development of the Internet as a public resource.”

As such, Mozilla operates according to a different calculus from most of the rest of corporate America.

God-damned fool writer – the irony that the open source code inventor gets fired for living out his freedom escapes him.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Mr. MacPherson added: “So while the mob might feel like it won, proving that there is some kind of zero-tolerance for homophobia in America, Eich’s departure from Mozilla tells a slightly more nuanced story than that.”

You ain’t seen nothin’ yet, not in the way you think. This case will have dire consequences, in the most unexpected ways.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:46 PM

This sounds like that new movie coming out: Inconvenient Truth, Part II.

KMC1 on April 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Akzed, follow the comments of StubbleSpark.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:53 PM

It’s the way of activists of all stripes. They go way too far and reap a backlash. Often the opposing activists end up doing the same and back and forth it goes. So, it is the right’s ball to serve now.

MJBrutus on April 5, 2014 at 9:46 AM

One of the mistakes of the right for the past 75 years has been to play the game, assuming that the Left plays by a commonly-held set of rules and not its own– and, for that matter, that the Left enjoys anything close to numerical equality with the majority. Back and forth? Why pussyfoot around with tit for tat when an overwhelming tidal wave majority, if and when it bestirs itself, could easily crush the facist 1-3%ers– economically, politically, even culturally? Who will have brought it upon themselves.It’s the Chicago Way.

de rigueur on April 5, 2014 at 1:57 PM

I just read what folks post. Sometimes it’s worth it.

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Psychology bolsters the world’s fight against racism;
APA’s delegates at a UN conference underscored psychology’s role in overcoming racism. It now falls to psychologists to carry on the effort.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 5, 2014 at 1:31 PM

In the view of Corann Okorodudu, EdD, the recent United Nations (UN) conference on racism could not have called attention to the issue at a more fitting time. America’s war against terrorism–spurred by religious and cultural differences–has brought racism’s destructive effects to the fore, she says.

In recent months, fear and mistrust of ethnic groups have escalated, and accordingly, so have hate crimes. “We’re seeing a rise of racism,” says Okorodudu. “We have had deaths already–people from the Asian continent being murdered. This isn’t just affecting people who are Middle Eastern–it’s affecting people who look Middle Eastern, including blacks. One of my sons is even thinking of shaving off his mustache.”
~

You had better believe that this is groundwork for the Left’s future goals in the West. Everyone should visit that link.

I wonder if any of this bothers Ms. Oompadudu…?

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 2:05 PM

de rigueur, the Chicago way, indeed…obamaille

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Here’s the link, Akzed typed about.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Society has gone crazy before. The depraved French Revolution brought Napoleon. The debauchery of the Regency Period eventually led to the uber-prudient Victoria Era. The ‘throw everything to the wind and let’s drink, drug, and fvck for tomorrow we may die’ attitude of Weimar ended spectacularly…I didn’t say in a good way. The point is that the pendulum of time and human sensibility alway seems to pull society back from the edge at the last moment.

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:31 PM

I hope you’re right. Could do without turning out to be like Weimar :) — but still.

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I hope you’re right. Could do without turning out to be like Weimar :) — but still.

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 2:14 PM

This time sharia will be involved.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 2:30 PM

This time sharia will be involved…which will be bad for them, and for us.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Sore winners

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 2:39 PM

At this point I’m just going to say to hell with homosexual rights. I’ve had it with their intolerance that’s masked as tolerance and their constant whining about this and that. They just want the tax incentives that go along with marriage then again they have a high divorce rate so yeah…the only people their “marriage” push is helping is divorce lawyers…yes I’m that cynical.

sorrowen on April 5, 2014 at 2:40 PM

I’m a GGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLL and my name isn’t Jonathan Rauch.

Wait a sec. Let me go get my thigh-high leather boots and a whip. That way I can get into the ‘mood’ the next time that you call me a Fascist liar.

^ Bump.

(Personal convenience.)

Axe on April 5, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Here’s the link, Akzed typed about. Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM

For some reason the broken link I posted was one you stuck in here:

Morning J. Play it, over and over. You’re most definitely overworked…meant in a good way. Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

‘splain dat, Lucy.

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 2:53 PM

God-damned fool writer – the irony that the open source code inventor gets fired for living out his freedom escapes him.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Would that the irony ended there. Manjoo continues:

Like all software companies, Mozilla competes in two markets. First, obviously, it wants people to use its products instead of its rivals’ stuff. But its second market is arguably more challenging — the tight labor pool of engineers, designers, and other tech workers who make software.(My emphasis)

As opposed to, of course, that soft CEO market saturated with folks who’ve invented things like JavaScript and co-founded open-source software companies. But then, this particular CEO slot calls for a different skill set:

The chief executive’s primary purpose is to hold a community together, and then to motivate it to do great things in the absence of a lot of money.

By Manjoo’s lights, Mozilla sounds more like a religious movement than a business. Maybe the new CEO will have “tip jar icon development” on his/her/his<her/her<his/their resume.

Barnestormer on April 5, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Scientists now apply insights from experimental psychology, linguistics, and neuroscience to the differences between liberals and conservatives. Their findings offer some hints to explain why appeals to rage, fear, and conspiracy theories are so effective in attracting political support and in short-circuiting people’s critical reasoning processes. Their work also helps explain why some people are liberals and others are conservatives.

They find that liberals are more inclined toward novelty and to cognate over things. They are more tolerant of ambiguity and of different opinions. Conservatives have a greater need for assurance and for cloture of difficulties and crises. They are more resistant of change.

Conservatives are a bit more capable than liberals of working together than liberals, and the latter are inclined to deliberate too long and to dither. Conservatives are far more inclined to develop emotionally moving narratives. Thinking like a liberal requires greater effort and a tolerance for dealing with many variables. Similarly, it is easier to defend the status quo than to envision change. Liberals are too easily misled by the old Enlightenment notion that misinformation can be eradicated by using facts and reason.

The above from a Daily Kos posting April 13th 2012.

Wow, I must becoming more liberal! It’s easy for me to envision and accept change and am leaning to “Pro-Choice”.

My change and choice? CHROME.

socalcon on April 5, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Fix

Morning J. Play it, over and over. You’re most definitely overworked…meant in a good way. Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 3:14 PM

The forced resignation of Brendan Eich will have a chilling effect on political discourse.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 3:26 PM

We think Mozilla put it the best: “Mozilla believes both in equality and freedom of speech. Equality is necessary for meaningful speech. And you need free speech to fight for equality. Figuring out how to stand for both at the same time can be hard.” That’s exactly how we have felt. We absolutely believe people should be allowed to have personal opinions, but we also believe that we are allowed to disagree and to try and change someone’s mind by expressing our own personal story.

Heads will roll.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 3:30 PM

The new Torquemadas

I’m proud of Eich. He will be a significant figure in history.

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Fire them all, and strike another blow for diversity.

Another Drew on April 5, 2014 at 8:07 PM

So I guess we can expect Obama to resign any time now?

Iblis on April 5, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Society has gone crazy before. The depraved French Revolution brought Napoleon. The debauchery of the Regency Period eventually led to the uber-prudient Victoria Era. The ‘throw everything to the wind and let’s drink, drug, and fvck for tomorrow we may die’ attitude of Weimar ended spectacularly…I didn’t say in a good way. The point is that the pendulum of time and human sensibility alway seems to pull society back from the edge at the last moment.

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Your point about the french is very true. Before Napoleon.. France was very much like America is today. I know a little about the art of that period.. before Napoleon.. there was a lot of art with men wearing wigs and acting like, girls. Men pushing women on swings and running through gardens.. but then simultaneously.. with napoleon.. a new artist came on the scene named David… and painting a painting titled “The Oath of Horatii” and suddenly.. manliness, virtue and character returned to French culture.

JellyToast on April 5, 2014 at 10:19 PM

The debauchery of the Regency Period eventually led to the uber-prudient Victoria Era. Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Prudient?

and suddenly.. manliness, virtue and character returned to French culture. JellyToast on April 5, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Then M. Napoleon met Gen. Winter in Russia… I am tempted to go all Godwin on you.

Akzed on April 5, 2014 at 11:35 PM

The gay headhunters might just want to review what ended up happening to Robespierre.
RSbrewer on April 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Or Phil Robertson. Quack Quack

Brock Robamney on April 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

I think it’s been clear all along that many gays are into control and punishment.

claudius on April 6, 2014 at 3:57 PM

I think the supporters of traditional marriage at these companies can take heart, they are not alone in their companies. They can read the statistics as well as anyone else.

Control over one’s own conscience is the ultimate civil right.

You may believe anything you want. Your actions against others are what people ought to be judged by, as far as civil law goes.

Keith_Indy on April 7, 2014 at 8:26 AM

Prop 8 doesn’t even mention homosexuality or sexual orientation. It’s all about gender-integration in marriage. So Eich was booted for supporting gender integration in the public institution of marriage.

Gay rights activists like to frame this as an issue about sexual orientation. At its core, its about gender. Do you support pro-gender marriage or anti-gender marriage?

MominVermont on April 7, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Good thing I buy AMD. Would they support banning interracial marriage as well?

fatlibertarianinokc on April 9, 2014 at 11:48 AM

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