Slate pro-tip on executive management: Only bad CEOs oppose same-sex marriage

posted at 12:01 pm on April 4, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Actually, Slate has two pieces up today on the Mozilla/Firefox nuttiness that cost Brendan Eich his job as CEO of the company, for a private political donation six years ago for a referendum that passed in California by a significant majority. Let’s see if you can guess which one is the satire. First up is Slate’s senior technology writer Will Oremus:

There was a time when supporting gay marriage made you a radical. Then there was a time when it made you a progressive. Now we’ve reached a point where not supporting gay marriage makes you unfit to lead a major Silicon Valley organization.

Some will say we’ve come too far, too fast—that it’s unfair to pillory someone for a political view that was held by the majority of Californians just six years ago. They’re wrong. …

The notion that your political views shouldn’t affect your employment is a persuasive one. Where would we be as a democracy if Republicans were barred from jobs at Democrat-led companies, or vice versa?

But this is different. Opposing gay marriage in America today is not akin to opposing tax hikes or even the war in Afghanistan. It’s more akin to opposing interracial marriage: It bespeaks a conviction that some people do not deserve the same basic rights as others. An organization like Mozilla might tolerate that in an underling, and it might even tolerate it in a CTO. But in a CEO—the ultimate decision-maker and public face of an organization—it sends an awful message. That’s doubly so for an organization devoted to openness and freedom on the Web—not to mention one with numerous gay employees.

Next, Will Saletan offers advice that the effort shouldn’t stop with Eich, but that the angry mobs should force companies to purge all the bigots:

Some of my colleagues are celebrating. They call Eich a bigot who got what he deserved. I agree. But let’s not stop here. If we’re serious about enforcing the new standard, thousands of other employees who donated to the same anti-gay ballot measure must be punished.

More than 35,000 people gave money to the campaign for Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that declared, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” You can download the entire list, via the Los Angeles Times, as a compressed spreadsheet. (Click the link that says, “Download CSV.”) Each row lists the donor’s employer. If you organize the data by company, you can add up the total number of donors and dollars that came from people associated with that company.

The first thing you’ll notice, if you search for Eich, is that he’s the only Mozilla employee who gave to the campaign for Prop 8. His $1,000 was more than canceled out by three Mozilla employees who donated to the other side.

The next thing you’ll notice is that other companies, including other tech firms, substantially outscored Mozilla in pro-Prop 8 contributions attributed to their employees. That includes Adobe, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, and Yahoo, as well as Disney, DreamWorks, Gap, and Warner Bros.

Thirty-seven companies in the database are linked to more than 1,300 employees who gave nearly $1 million in combined contributions to the campaign for Prop 8. Twenty-five tech companies are linked to 435 employees who gave more than $300,000. Many of these employees gave $1,000 apiece, if not more. Some, like Eich, are probably senior executives.Why do these bigots still have jobs? Let’s go get them.

As readers have no doubt surmised, Saletan’s is the satire, while Oremus’ should be. What makes a bad CEO can and has filled books, but his private political donations fall very far down any list — except for the so-called “tolerance” and “no-H8″ squads that demand total subjugation to their agenda as the price to pay for public engagement on any level. Oremus noted that no one seemed to have a big problem with Eich’s presence as chief technology officer after the donation was made public, even though that too was an executive-management position with great control over the direction of the company. And despite all of the pitchfork brigade’s fulminating for his removal, no one has offered a single point of fact that indicates that Eich treated LGBTQ employees any differently than others while serving as CTO.

As Saletan points out by looking at the data, the notion that opposition to SSM serves as a definition of fringe thought and bigotry is risible when seeing just how widespread that position is, even in the entertainment industry. Support for the traditional model of marriage goes way beyond the CEO level, obviously. Should companies where that support far outstrips that for SSM demand the resignation of CEOs who support SSM? Stamping out political heterodoxy at the executive level seems to be Oremus’ point, to the extent he has one at all.

Had Eich been chosen as managing editor of The Advocate and this donation came to light, his termination would make a lot more sense. His politics would have been opposite of one of the explicit efforts by that publication. Similarly, since people have used this as a hypothetical, parochial school teachers who refuse to adopt the doctrines of the faith for which the school is designed to educate should know that they will have to find other work (which is why the Supreme Court unanimously upheld the ministerial exception to employment law in those cases). Those are cases where the mission of the organization would be damaged directly by personal political action in opposition to it. In this case, though, there is no such connection between private political action and the operation of the company or service in its mission — as Eich’s long tenure as CTO demonstrated enough for him to get the top job. Mozilla exists to create web technology, not to serve a political or faith mission.

Of course Mozilla’s board can choose to hire and fire as it sees fit, but this shows that demands for “tolerance” and “noH8″ are unidirectional only. The rest of us can choose whether or not to use Mozilla’s products as a result of their intolerance for diversity of political thought. A few weeks ago, I wrote a column about the intolerance of the tolerance brigades, and its conclusion seems even more apropos now:

Tolerance does not mean acceptance or participation. It means allowing people to make their own choices about what they choose to do, and to respect the ability of their fellow citizens to do the same as long as it does no injury to them. What this contretemps shows is that America is getting a lot more intolerant the more “tolerant” we become.

Elizabeth Scalia has a suggestion to put an end to this “illiberal new power”:

If the headline strikes some as offensive, it will nevertheless remain, because that’s the case I’m making, and I’m sticking with it: a gay CEO with a pair of brass ones needs to step up and speak truth to a growing, and most illiberal new power. He or she needs to hire Brendan Eich in some sort of corporate leadership capacity for the sake of the most fundamental of freedoms — the freedom to think what you want to think, even if your thinking is unpopular or deemed “mistaken” — and in so doing boldly declare that our society has no truck with inquisitions. …

The very same people who have declared, “I yam what I yam”, and “we’re here, we’re queer; get used to it,” and who fought against discrimination on the basis of physical or emotional natures are proving themselves empty of magnanimity in victory. They are now saying “don’t be who you are,” and “you’re wrong, you’re gone; get used to it.” They’re applauding employment discrimination on the basis of an intellectual or spiritual philosophy.

What are they, anyway, philosophobes? Are they so terrified of any outlook which does not conform to theirs? I always thought a well-founded argument could withstand a little principled opposition. Apparently not.

Eich’s treatment is a symptom of weakness, not strength. Let’s hope it costs Mozilla, and teaches a lesson for all of the other companies that consider surrender to the “tolerance” squads.


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What do you mean by “put in the position of resigning”?

He should’ve never been hired to begin with?

Skywise on April 4, 2014 at 3:35 PM

I mean “put in the position of resigning” due to pressure from backlash over the OKCupid nonsense about FireFox/Mozilla. Was I really that unclear?

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Bmore

Schadenfreude on April 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Thank you for being honest, I appreciate that. I like both you and JetBoy and I wonder, at what point do gays rise up against groups like glaad and tell them they don’t speak for me, like conservatives do for Karl Rove or John McCain? A censure like AZ did for McCain. Most people have a friend or family who is gay and they usually love and support them, but these groups seem to ruin any gains made in society.

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 3:10 PM

They don’t make it simple.

And the gay and lesbian community is nothing more than a bunch of lapdogs for the Obama Party and demonizes anyone who differs.

Gays and lesbians are like black people are to the Obama Party — a bunch of feral animals that the Obama Party keeps locked up on plantations, dumbing them down, teaching them absolute obedience, and brainwashing them to hate and fear independent thought and the outside world.

Incidentally, the Obama Party actively encourages drug use and promiscuity among gays — the type of behavior that spreads HIV — for the same reason it does among black people; it breeds dependence on the government.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 3:39 PM

I fully support marriage equality and know many happily married gay couples. I also oppose actions like this. As a citizen, I have a very strong interest in what my government does, and I care to a certain extent what companies that I support do, but I have only a very limited interest in what others citizens do. At no point did he say that Mozilla stood against SSM and was going to fight it. He was just opposing it as a citizen. The reaction was way over the top. I will not use Firefox after this.

DisneyFan on April 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Thats OK, UT, MI, VA, … uhh … Ive actually lost count theres so many.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Went to public school, didn’t you?

Solaratov on April 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Boycott these azzholes too.

Meanwhile Putin wants to run the world. That’ll be very funny, for the anti-freedom-loving gays.

Schadenfreude on April 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM

If you are still using Firefox, you are complicit.

Tell the fascists what you think: press@mozilla.org

John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 3:42 PM

I remember back in the day, all teh gheys wanted was Civil Unions with all the legal protections and rights as Married heterosexuals…

… After that, they wouldn’t ask for anything else.

Seven Percent Solution on April 4, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Well I have learned something these past couple of days. With all the people who are leaving it now, I had no idea that FF was still so popular.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 3:47 PM

If you are still using Firefox, you are complicit.
Tell the fascists what you think: press@mozilla.org
John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 3:42 PM

I wonder how much Microsoft, Apple and Google and their leftist political cohorts would pay to have Firefox destroyed?

LegendHasIt on April 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Boycott these azzholes too.

Meanwhile Putin wants to run the world. That’ll be very funny, for the anti-freedom-loving gays.

Schadenfreude on April 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM

OT/ –From a side link.

Men are always trying to figure out what makes them more attractive to women. Recently, a number of studies have looked at the parts of the body women zero in on as “attractive” traits. These five features are the most prominent. Watch …

(References below)

Symmetry, Voice, Jaws, Eyes, Height

http://www.businessinsider.com/physical-attractiveness-2014-3

****, ****, ****, ****, ****. :) No wonder I never get responses from the naked pics I send. And no mention of sense of humor or “personality,” either.

I’m never having sex again, am I. Not even gay sex — I assume the standards are even higher.

Comment posted from an Opera browser.

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

I wonder how much Microsoft, Apple and Google and their leftist political cohorts would pay to have Firefox destroyed?

LegendHasIt on April 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM

We can owe Mozilla (yes, under Eich) at least one debt of gratitude. MS tried to close their Windows API so that IE developers had a big advantage. Netscape successfully sued so that we could have competition in the browser (and other application software) market.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 3:52 PM

You do realize that not everyone who gets Aids is gay, don’t you? Nor are they drug users. Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Right. They had sex with one or the other. Or had the misfortune of getting it from a transfusion. That’s like, 1%. What’s your point?

Akzed on April 4, 2014 at 3:52 PM

What exactly does LGBTQ mean?

OliverB on April 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Had one of those today at lunch…..it was a BLT with guacamole and BBQ sauce. Knocked me right off my stool. Should I mention my spiffy leather vest from BB again?

HonestLib on April 4, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Doesn’t Mozilla realize that there are more straights than gays? So they piss off a few gay people, they only make up 10% of the population. Better than irritating the other 90%.

Tater Salad on April 4, 2014 at 3:52 PM

What exactly does LGBTQ mean?

OliverB on April 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Let’s Go Back To Quizno’s.

:p

Solaratov on April 4, 2014 at 3:53 PM

… After that, they wouldn’t ask for anything else.

Seven Percent Solution on April 4, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Nothing less than parity. In every way. In civil society, in churches — it’s a civil rights issue, you understand.

This is like whites refusing to bake cakes for blacks.

This is like whites refusing to allow blacks to marry in their churches.

This is like whites refusing to allow blacks in their churches.

This is like whites not allowing blacks to be priests.

This is like whites being allowed to continue to disparage blacks in any way, shape, or form.

^ This, from day one. The rest is a desire to be a good person being levered against feckless, useful idiots — one step at a time.

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 3:54 PM

There was never a pretense for Zach. He has always been an in your face “you or someone like you was mean to me once, so I hope that you go back in the closet and get demonized.”

melle1228 on April 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

… and?

This country has gone through numerous Civil Rights struggles since our Founding. It should not be a big surprise to anyone that the opponents of these movements are not viewed in a positive light by the rest of society.

In fact, opposition to previous Civil Rights movements has generally been considered both immoral and repugnant. Spouting racist and misogynistic, xenophobic or semitic views these days earns a person instant and severe repercussions. I don’t see that precedent changing for the opponents of basic human rights for gay people.

So-Cons can scream and cry about the injustice, of being judged for their demeaning views. Personally, I don’t shed a tear for segregationists, misogynists, antisemites, etc. …. so why would carve an exception for the anti-gay social conservatives?

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Nothing less than parity. In every way. In civil society, in churches — it’s a civil rights issue, you understand.

This is like whites refusing to bake cakes for blacks.

This is like whites refusing to allow blacks to marry in their churches.

This is like whites refusing to allow blacks in their churches.

This is like whites not allowing blacks to be priests.

This is like whites being allowed to continue to disparage blacks in any way, shape, or form.

^ This, from day one. The rest is a desire to be a good person being levered against feckless, useful idiots — one step at a time.

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Church’s don’t have to allow gays crap, other than their prayers that the change their ways.

Tater Salad on April 4, 2014 at 3:57 PM

they only make up 10% of the population. Better than irritating the other 90%.

Tater Salad on April 4, 2014 at 3:52 PM

More like 2% of the population. Of course, if you watch TV or go to the movies you would think that it’s more like 25%.

Kaffa on April 4, 2014 at 3:58 PM

they only make up 10% of the population. Better than irritating the other 90%.

Tater Salad on April 4, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Minor correction, under 3% of the population.

oscarwilde on April 4, 2014 at 3:59 PM

So-Cons can scream and cry about the injustice, of being judged for their demeaning views. Personally, I don’t shed a tear for segregationists, misogynists, antisemites, etc. …. so why would carve an exception for the anti-gay social conservatives?

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Zach, I’m the furthest from a SoCon on HA, primarily a libertarian. That said, no one owes you anything other than respecting your right to be gay. That doesn’t mean that they have to accept your lifestyle or change their beliefs that it is a sin.

Tater Salad on April 4, 2014 at 4:03 PM

So-Cons can scream and cry about the injustice, of being judged for their demeaning views. Personally, I don’t shed a tear for segregationists, misogynists, antisemites, etc. …. so why would carve an exception for the anti-gay social conservatives?

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

This, of course, coming from the bigot who wants people murdered for their political views.

For you to attempt to claim any type of morality is laughable, especially when your “morals” involve infecting children with HIV.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:03 PM

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

You don’t see anything wrong with a talented person being essentially forced to resign for having made a $1,000 donation six years ago?

DisneyFan on April 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

That’s alright I don’t shed a tear for intolerant hypocritical and delusional bigots like yourself either.

You can have all the sex you want.. It will NEVER be Marriage no matter how Orwellian you try.

Skywise on April 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM

‘Toons of the Day: Big Stinkburgers Here, There, Everywhere

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 3:57 PM

That “Fort Hood” one made me flinch a little. :/

. . . I’ll try to link it straight out.

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:07 PM

What exactly does LGBTQ mean?

OliverB on April 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Had one of those today at lunch…..it was a BLT with guacamole and BBQ sauce. Knocked me right off my stool. Should I mention my spiffy leather vest from BB again?

HonestLib on April 4, 2014 at 3:52 PM

What exactly does LGBTQ mean?

OliverB on April 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Let’s Go Back To Quizno’s.

:p

Solaratov on April 4, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Did I see you at lunch today? Chukle!

HonestLib on April 4, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Spouting racist and misogynistic, xenophobic or semitic views these days earns a person instant and severe repercussions.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Actually, the lying gay-sex bigot ZachV endorses misogynistic statements and anti-Semitic statements.

As always, the fascist ZachV is lying. ZachV doesn’t care if you’re a racist, misogynist, anti-Semitic, or anything else as long as you’re an antireligious bigot and Obama supporter like he is.

The only way in which damaged children like ZachV can be dealt with is to have their fascism turned back on them. Companies should immediately fire bigots like ZachV who have called for the murder of Christians and conservatives.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Stop making this a religious fight. It’s not. It has nothing to do with gay marriage. It’s about free speech and political diversity.

John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Obviously, it has everything to do with unnatural marriage. Homosexual activists have been pushing their agenda for years, and this is a big part of it.

Their goal is to make it unthinkable to be opposed to SSM. They tried to force Chick-Fil-A to cave. They tried to force Duck Dynasty to be canceled. Both of those failed, because the people attacked had enough control of their organization to be able to face down their attackers.

But here is someone who has been involved with Mozilla for years, and was even their CTO. Yet he’s been forced to resign because he refused to accept SSM.

Note clearly: this was not about bigotry towards gays, or discrimination. It was about SSM. They are trying to establish that you can’t reject marriage between homosexuals without being a bigot.

So why is it about religion at all? Primarily, because religion is their target. The free exercise of religion allows people to reject homosexuality. They want to take away that freedom, so no exceptions are allowed.

And yes, when freedom of religion is taken away, so will be freedom of speech.

This is just the beginning. Unless stopped, we will quickly reach a point where any criticism of homosexuality will be treated as a hate crime leading to fines and/or imprisonment.

Churches are the next target. Any church ministry that is not confined to preaching to the pews in the building on Sunday morning will be considered “entering the public sphere,” and will be forced to comply to any ‘anti-discrimination’ laws that are out there. Religious freedom will not be considered an exemption.

Think it won’t happen? It already has. Catholic adoption services were forced to either place children with homosexuals or stop operating. They stopped. Notice there were no other options available.

The only reason I can imagine to claim that “it’s not about gay marriage,” is if you just don’t want to accept the obvious.

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM

So-Cons can scream and cry about the injustice, of being judged for their demeaning views. Personally, I don’t shed a tear for segregationists, misogynists, antisemites, etc. …. so why would carve an exception for the anti-gay social conservatives?

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Zach, I’m the furthest from a SoCon on HA, primarily a libertarian. That said, no one owes you anything other than respecting your right to be gay. That doesn’t mean that they have to accept your lifestyle or change their beliefs that it is a sin.

Tater Salad on April 4, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Literally, not my problem.

Some considered it a sin for women to vote, or it to be immoral that the races be allowed to be mixed.

Past test. Considered. Not anymore. Society dealt with them.

/shrug. I’m not going to be throwing the anti-gays a lifeline.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM

ZachV…is Panther!

22044 on April 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM

ABC Uses Footage of Hateful Westboro Baptist to Slime CEO Who Opposes Gay Marriage

According to Good Morning America’s Linzie Janis, a CEO who made a donation in opposition to gay marriage is the same as the hateful members of the Westboro Baptist Church.

This is ridiculous. The homo-mafia has its tentacles everywhere. It needs to be stomped out.

Kaffa on April 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Simply put, you will NEVER have to worry about AIDS if you:

1. Are in a monogamous heterosexual marriage.
2. Don’t inject drugs.
3. Abstain from both.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 3:17 PM

You may like to think that’s true, but unfortunately, it’s not always so cut and dry.

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM

How so? Abstinence works 100% of the time.

In truth, ANY kind of sexual intercourse is a risk of potential death (but then so is walking out the front door of your house) but engaging in it with homosexuals makes it a virtual certainty.

Also evidence that homosexuals are defectives: Look at their life expectancy. It’s low. SPECTACULARLY LOW. As in not much more than half that of heterosexuals. AIDS is a big part of this.

Why should our government accept and promote a lifestyle that is so dangerous and causes one to die so young? Government would do less harm to health if they started FORCING smoker’s rights on all of us (not allowing refusal to service active smokers in restaurants, not allowing no smoking areas, etc). Smokers live longer than gays.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 4:11 PM

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

You don’t see anything wrong with a talented person being essentially forced to resign for having made a $1,000 donation six years ago? DisneyFan on April 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM

No.

I’m not the one who forced him to resign.

America did.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:12 PM

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM

So, you’re saying that people who support, as individuals, unpopular causes should not have jobs?

DisneyFan on April 4, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Church’s don’t have to allow gays crap, other than their prayers that the change their ways.

Tater Salad on April 4, 2014 at 3:57 PM

No one has to allow gays’ crap — other than allowing gays to freely associate with crap that’s gay.

– You’re right, of course. But the the churches are under full-frontal attack. I should know; mine went down like a dewy-eyed waif assigned a cell with Tiny G of cell-block flavah.

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:15 PM

By the way, Tater Salad and Disney Fan, you can now see your future.

Your little bigot boy ZachV is going to force you to do what he wants, and if you don’t, he’s going to scream that you’re a homophobe and set out to get you fired.

You were warned a long time ago that you were aiding and abetting fascists. You’re now having it presented to you as your little ZachV makes it clear that you obey him or you’re a homophobe and bigot.

These are the lies we have been warning you about for years that the LGBT community tells.

Are you planning to listen now?

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Obviously, it has everything to do with unnatural marriage. Homosexual activists have been pushing their agenda for years, and this is a big part of it.

Their goal is to make it unthinkable to be opposed to SSM. They tried to force Chick-Fil-A to cave. They tried to force Duck Dynasty to be canceled. Both of those failed, because the people attacked had enough control of their organization to be able to face down their attackers.

There Goes the Neighborhood on April 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM

The left and it’s disparate factions (gays, feminists, unions, Race Bait, Inc, etc) all have one thing in common: They are FASCISTS. Their agendas must be free of all scrutiny because they can’t survive scrutiny. Therefore all opposition must be made either criminal or so socially unacceptable that there is never any open opposition.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I say this to my gay friends out of love…and to those that I do not know:

Don’t make me give up my diversity. (I support SSM and the barrier of the state built to keep it out of the church…and I’m an atheist.)

Don’t make me submit to the Cult of Conformity.

Don’t make me become an intolerant, hateful, spiteful, deranged Fascist.

Don’t even think about asking me to engage in McCarthyism with you.

Don’t make me choose.

Because, my loves, you will lose because I refuse to associate with any and all H8, H8, H8ers, including those in the LGBTQQIAAP (or LGBTTIQQ2SA, if you prefer) community.

Sorry, but I just won’t help scratch your Totalitarian Itch and yield to la tentation totalitaire that will, ultimately, lead to utter despair for you and the world. Before the Rainbow Mafia’s paramilitary wing drags me off to some FABULOUS, DAHLING! reeducation camp, please keep in mind that you are 2-3% (or, if you want to believe 10%, we’ll roll with it) of the American population and not a larger part of the population in any Western country. In fact, in the scheme of things, you are really nothing more than a few grains of sand in an ocean teeming with creatures, great and small, that wouldn’t hesitate for one second to torture, castrate, and execute you in a public square. And, let’s face it, there are a lot of them and they aren’t isolated to Africa, the Middle East, Asia, etc. Like you, I was outraged when some Russian politician said that gays should be burned alive in ovens, but criminalising and even executing homosexuals aren’t just the beliefs of a few cranks. No, no, no, my dear. It’s even moved into Western Europe…

I love this story not because I support any of it, but because it demonstrates the childlike naïveté of the ‘Diversity and Tolerance Brigade©’, who will sacrifice its own beliefs at times…on the altar of multiculturalism. From my piece Norway: A Tolerant, Inclusive, Diverse, Multicultural Society For Everyone…Except Jews:

A word of advice to my friends on the Left, the enemy of your enemy is not your friend. You might believe that making common cause with Islamists now will lead to your victory in the overthrow of capitalism and your installation of a Socialist welfare state and you may be right, but in the end, you will lose. There are more Islamists than there are of you…or, at least, they are louder than you. The Islamists are more vicious than you. They are also much worse than anything you imagine of the Right and about capitalism. Let’s just take one simple issue: Homosexuality.

The leftist Norwegian Labour government’s Ministry of Children, Equality, and Social Inclusion named Mahdi Hassan, a noted homophobe, as the 2009 Role Model of the Year. He looks like a very nice chap. Of course, Mein Kampf probably looked like a good book in Germany in the 1920s judging by the cover.

Hassan told the newspaper Arbeidets Rett that he wants a ban on homosexuality, based on the Qur’an. Does he support the death penalty for gays? That’s “up to each individual country to decide, but, in general, yes.”

Was he condemned? Needless to say, the homosexual community wasn’t thrilled, but other than that he was cheered with the Socialists applauding loudly.

‘There is freedom of speech in Norway and in the Tynset Socialist Left Party we consider it unproblematic that Mahdi is opposed in principle to homosexuality. It is in accordance with his religion.’

- Stein Petter Løkken, leader of the Socialist Left Party in Hassan’s home kommune of Tynset.

Stein, Stalin had a name for you, ‘Useful Idiot.’ You wear the dunce cap well.

In November 2007 during an Oslo debate, at which the deputy chairman of Norway’s Islamic Council, Asghar Ali, was asked if he would refuse to reject the death penalty for gays. He refused. The head of the Islamic Council, which represents 80,000 Muslims), Senaid Kobilica was asked where he stood on the question, he responded that he couldn’t possibly give a definitive answer “until he got a ruling from the European Fatwa Council, but that homosexuality was against the teachings of the Qur’an and execution is the proscribed punishment.” If it makes you feel any better, Kobilica did say that he was “100 per cent certain that the Council will not come out in favour of something which conflicts with European law.” By which he means, that while the death penalty for homosexuals is, indeed, an orthodox Islamic position — one about which the Fatwa Council’s head, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, has himself written sympathetically — Western Muslim leaders, in accordance with the Koran, prefer in such controversial cases not to challenge infidel law…for now.

‘It isn’t possible to live homosexually and at the same time say that one practices Islam. These are two incompatible things… Homosexuality goes against what Islam stands for, and therefore it can’t be combined.’

– Senaid Kobilica

After the brouhaha in 2007, it emerged that Asghar Ali not only was deputy chairman of the Islamic Council, but was also on the board of the Oslo Arbeidersamfunn, the largest and most influential association within Norway’s ruling Labour Party. As Bruce Bawer reported, when asked about Ali’s views, the head of the Oslo Arbeidersamfunn, Anne Cathrine Berger, lamented that some people “can’t see the difference between a board member’s views and the organisation’s views.” Despite scattered calls for his dismissal, Ali remained on the board.

Recently, a gay couple was attacked for holding hands; they were told that gays were not welcome because the area in which they were walking in was “Muslim territory.” On another occasion, a gay couple was ejected from a kebab restaurant because they were kissing. These as well as other incidents led to a debate in the major newspapers about the existence of morality police, who strove to obtain social control based on Islamic values in multi-ethnic communities.

Kaltham Lie, who was tortured for his sexual orientation by Saddam Hussein and fled Iraq for Norway in 1992, says that it was too difficult to go to the mosque. As Norway’s first openly gay Muslim, he now stays away from the Muslim community, especially in Oslo. “It’s very important for me to be open and not to try to hide. Somebody must stand up for the world to advance. “Oslo can be difficult, but we he also a lot of positive things, even in Grønland.”

He attends a Christian church with his new husband, Knut Asprusten. “[H]e was with me in church. Even if we have different religions, we both believe in an open God. It doesn’t cause us any problems,” said Asprusten.

In a country of 5 million people, where only 3% of the population is Muslim, there is only one openly Muslim lesbian: Sara Azmeh Rasmussen.

Considering the views of homosexuality held by billions globally, it would probably be a fairly wise if you became a little more diverse and tolerant yourself instead of driving away people like Brendan Eich and me. Eich doesn’t hate you and would protect you. Some of your multi-kulti sadiqis/sadiqatis might be a little less accommodating…

Do not become all that you’ve hated. Don’t seek to oppress those that once oppressed you. Don’t harass those that once harassed you. Don’t harm those that once harmed you. Don’t consign to a figurative closet those that may have actually – knowingly or unknowingly – forced you to ‘live in the closet’.

It may give you fleeting, momentarily satisfaction, but it won’t make your life happier and it will, promise, come back to haunt you in ways that you cannot even imagine at present.

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 4:16 PM

No.

I’m not the one who forced him to resign.

America did.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:12 PM

You do realize that an America that would do that (and it wasn’t America, gays aren’t even 3% of the population) is an America that is literally in it’s Final Days?

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Way to out yourself as a supporter of having people fired for their political donations and beliefs, JetBoy.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:21 PM

You are pure entertainment.

Post one comment of mine where I supported “having people fred for their political donations and beliefs”. Just one.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM

I’m still waiting…

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Waiting…

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM

I’m not the one who forced him to resign.
America did.
ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:12 PM

No.

Skywise on April 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM

So, you’re saying that people who support, as individuals, unpopular causes should not have jobs?

DisneyFan on April 4, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Ha, no. CEOs are held to higher, public standards. That’s why they are paid so handsomely. If it become public that a CEO used an ethnic slur, or donated to some skinhead group, or XXXXXX position he’s taken … that’s why we have “at will” employment.

Do you oppose “at will” employment?

For those down the chain, it’d be more concerning. Sure- That’s why we have laws in place to protect them from unfair or biased termination.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

No.

I’m not the one who forced him to resign.

America did.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Your small but powerful hoard of perpetually offended and inflamed are hardly “America”.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Ha, no. CEOs are held to higher, public standards. That’s why they are paid so handsomely. If it become public that a CEO used an ethnic slur, or donated to some skinhead group, or XXXXXX position he’s taken … that’s why we have “at will” employment.

Do you oppose “at will” employment?

For those down the chain, it’d be more concerning. Sure- That’s why we have laws in place to protect them from unfair or biased termination.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

He was co-founder it was half his.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:20 PM

No.

I’m not the one who forced him to resign.

America did.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:12 PM

America? Fvck, I hadn’t even heard about him or this latest contretemps until today and I’m an info addict and you think America forced him to resign?!?!?

Remember when you and the Diversity and Tolerance Brigade© were going to put the so-called ‘stupid-racist-sexist-homophobic-Islamophobic-xenophobic-home-schooled-dirt-eating-snake-handling-brother-marrying-deer-shooting-squirrel-eating-hick-n-hustering-trailer-park-living-moonshine-running-meth-cooking-one-tooth-brushing-single-hair-comb-overing-blue-plate-’n-light-special-luvin’-stand-at-attention-WalMart-shopping-ignorant-untravelled-flag-waving-cry-in-my-beers-with-Lee-Greenwood-Teabag-waving-guns-n-Bibles-bitter-clinging Neanderthalic Chick-fil-A out of business?’

How’d that work out for ya?

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Spouting racist and misogynistic, xenophobic or semitic views these days earns a person instant and severe repercussions.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM

You have Mozilla board members who have donated to that anti-semite, Lyndon LaRouche.

Why haven’t they resigned?

sentinelrules on April 4, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Waiting…

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Right here and here.

Stand up or cower.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:22 PM

You do realize that an America that would do that (and it wasn’t America, gays aren’t even 3% of the population) is an America that is literally in it’s Final Days?

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Lol! I’m not one for doomsaying and End of the World predicitions.

I’m curious – What do you think is going to happen?

No. Skywise on April 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Then you ought to familiarize yourself with public opinion polling and their trends.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:23 PM

No.

I’m not the one who forced him to resign.

America did.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:12 PM

You have a queer view of what “America” is.

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Ha, no. CEOs are held to higher, public standards. That’s why they are paid so handsomely. If it become public that a CEO used an ethnic slur, or donated to some skinhead group, or XXXXXX position he’s taken … that’s why we have “at will” employment.

Except for your Barack Obama, who can lie and scream and namecall and use slurs however he wants.

Do you oppose “at will” employment?

No. You do, however, with your screaming that gays must be guaranteed jobs regardless of performance.

Therefore, your attempt to invoke it just proves you are a liar and a hypocrite who can’t live under his own rules.

For those down the chain, it’d be more concerning. Sure- That’s why we have laws in place to protect them from unfair or biased termination.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

So you don’t believe in equal treatment.

Exposed as a liar and a fascist.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Your small but powerful hoard of perpetually offended and inflamed are hardly “America”. hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

How’d that work out for ya? Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I will also invite you both to familiarize yourselves with public opinion polling and their trends.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Then you ought to familiarize yourself with public opinion polling and their trends.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Sorry; you screamed that “majority rules” doesn’t matter and that a majority has to give a minority whatever it wants.

You’re such an incoherent liar, boy. But that’s because you really are nothing more than a damaged child who is desperately trying to rationalize your desire to abuse government to carry out your sick bigotry and hatred.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Ha, no. CEOs are held to higher, public standards. That’s why they are paid so handsomely.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Speaking from experience of being a CEO of a public company in the past……sorry, but my advice to you is stop posting about things you have no clue about.

You could quit your day job and do comedy as your post was almost funny.

HonestLib on April 4, 2014 at 4:28 PM

You have a queer view of what “America” is. Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 4:24 PM

You as well. Where does the opinion polling stand?

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Hey JetBoy, we’re waiting!

Your fellow gay ZachV is sitting here screaming that people should be fired over their political donations and that all gays support this.

You going to say something, or are you just going to cower again?

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:28 PM

America did.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Your small but powerful hoard of perpetually offended and inflamed are hardly “America”.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM

It would be interesting to see the side-by-side numbers, the number of people who believe that “gay marriage” and marriage are “the same thing” (just roll with it) and see it as a real civil rights issue, as opposed to the number of people that no more believe that than they believe man will ever return to Mars, but think that if gays want to play house, they should be allowed to play house on general, civil libertarian grounds.

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM

* re “America.”

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM

The intolerant hedonista fascists are going to usher in such a totalitarian state that humanity will be rent from every citizen unlucky enough to find itself captured by it. They are the “out of my bedroom” crowd. Who would have thought those queers would be the biggest fascists of the century?

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Waiting…

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Right here and here.

Stand up or cower.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Umm…I’m not ZachV…

The stupid…it’s blinding.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:31 PM

You as well. Where does the opinion polling stand?

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Feel the hatred coursing thru your veins hedonista! What do you propose as a final solution for those of us who are moral people?

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 4:31 PM

You as well. Where does the opinion polling stand?

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Now, or after people find out that gay-sex marriage supporters want people fired from their jobs and their families threatened for making the wrong political donations?

Do you think people support the gays like yourself who are screaming that Eich should have been fired because he donated to Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan twenty years ago?

Answer, liar boy. Or maybe JetBoy can find his voice and condemn you and your bigotry.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 3:56 PM
You don’t see anything wrong with a talented person being essentially forced to resign for having made a $1,000 donation six years ago? DisneyFan on April 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM

No.

I’m not the one who forced him to resign.

America did.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Prove it.
A group of fascists, who do not even speak for the people they purport to stand for, forced the CO-FOUNDER of his OWN company to resign. Not America.
An honest question and I expect an honest answer: have you ever been fired or forced to resign because you are gay?

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Remember when you and the Diversity and Tolerance Brigade© were going to put the so-called ‘stupid-racist-sexist-homophobic-Islamophobic-xenophobic-home-schooled-dirt-eating-snake-handling-brother-marrying-deer-shooting-squirrel-eating-hick-n-hustering-trailer-park-living-moonshine-running-meth-cooking-one-tooth-brushing-single-hair-comb-overing-blue-plate-’n-light-special-luvin’-stand-at-attention-WalMart-shopping-ignorant-untravelled-flag-waving-cry-in-my-beers-with-Lee-Greenwood-Teabag-waving-guns-n-Bibles-bitter-clinging Neanderthalic Chick-fil-A out of business?’

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 4:20 PM

^ I fahnd this vaguely, I say vaguely offensive.

Because, “hustering.”

. . . whateveh that maht mean.

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM

An honest question and I expect an honest answer: have you ever been fired or forced to resign because you are gay?

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Before you ask that, Cheese Wheel, note that gays and lesbians are taught to lie about that.

In other words, ZachV and the Obama Party, as that example showed, went to court to punish a company who had fired a gay person for sexually harassing their coworkers.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Waiting…

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Thus far, you have chosen to show your approval of his statements by condoning them with your silence. You should denounce Mr. Baldwin’s statements and he should be released from his contract with Capital One.

Alec Baldwin is a left-wing liberal horses arse. Not simply because of his tweets regarding that Daily Mail dude…it’s years of accumulated idiocy that makes him a moron.

Frankly, I don’t care what Capitol One does with their celebrity spokesman. I’ve heard recently that Baldwin donates his pay from those commercials to charitable causes, but I haven’t done a double check on that claim. If truly worthy causes were to lose out on that windfall…that is more important.

JetBoy on July 5, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Well, hardly a ringing endorsement for Alec to keep his job.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:35 PM

I stopped using FF today.

I will stop using it again tomorrow.

SparkPlug on April 4, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Sorry Mr30. He was getting impatient.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:36 PM

You don’t see anything wrong with a talented person being essentially forced to resign for having made a $1,000 donation six years ago?
 
DisneyFan on April 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM

No.
 
I’m not the one who forced him to resign.
 
America did.
 
ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:12 PM

 
Anybody else old enough to remember when President Obama held identical and simultaneous anti-gay marriage views as Eich and America voted to let him be president?
 
Say, you supported Obama and his anti-gay marriage position, didn’t you ZachV?

rogerb on April 4, 2014 at 4:37 PM

How so? Abstinence works 100% of the time.

In truth, ANY kind of sexual intercourse is a risk of potential death (but then so is walking out the front door of your house) but engaging in it with homosexuals makes it a virtual certainty.

Also evidence that homosexuals are defectives: Look at their life expectancy. It’s low. SPECTACULARLY LOW. As in not much more than half that of heterosexuals. AIDS is a big part of this.

Why should our government accept and promote a lifestyle that is so dangerous and causes one to die so young? Government would do less harm to health if they started FORCING smoker’s rights on all of us (not allowing refusal to service active smokers in restaurants, not allowing no smoking areas, etc). Smokers live longer than gays.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 4:11 PM

You’re making it sound like I’m a supporter of LGBT lifestyles, I’m not.

What I disagreed with was your blanket statement that:

Simply put, you will NEVER have to worry about AIDS if you:

1. Are in a monogamous heterosexual marriage.
2. Don’t inject drugs.
3. Abstain from both.

As I said, it’s not always so cut and dry. And here’s how I know.

My former sister-in-law was in a monogamous heterosexual marriage, yet she died from Aids. She contracted it from her husband, who had contracted it from a one night stand he had, with a woman, before he and my s-i-l met. Neither one of them knew he was HIV positive when they married.

That’s what I was referring to when I said that not everyone who contracts AIDS is in a homosexual relationship or a drug user.

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Then you ought to familiarize yourself with public opinion polling and their trends.
ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Live by the poll die by the poll.

How about that prop 8 poll?

Skywise on April 4, 2014 at 4:40 PM

I stopped using FF today.

I will stop using it again tomorrow.

SparkPlug on April 4, 2014 at 4:36 PM

^ REAL commitment. ~looks around room accusingly~

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:40 PM

An honest question and I expect an honest answer: have you ever been fired or forced to resign because you are gay?

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Before you ask that, Cheese Wheel, note that gays and lesbians are taught to lie about that.

In other words, ZachV and the Obama Party, as that example showed, went to court to punish a company who had fired a gay person for sexually harassing their coworkers.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM

I know, that’s why I asked for honesty. He’s probably looking up the meaning of that word.

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Thought experiment — if he gave money AGAINST Prop 8, would he still have been fired?

DON’T ANSWER THAT! I prefer that it remain an open question. I mean, I can hope, can’t I?

To come to the obvious end of this logical sequence, I just went to sodomy.com. It redirects to analtube.com. Aren’t you glad to know that?

I could have lived my whole life without knowing any of this stuff. I mean, if there wasn’t a single gay post on teh HotGas, I think I would have gotten by OK.

LashRambo on April 4, 2014 at 4:44 PM

How about that prop 8 poll?

Skywise on April 4, 2014 at 4:40 PM

That one obviously doesn’t count, which is why that Homosexual judge overturned it, then got married in the State where he overturned it.

oscarwilde on April 4, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Thus far, you have chosen to show your approval of his statements by condoning them with your silence.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:35 PM

If I don’t reply to every single commenter I disagree with, then that means I endorse whatever they say? You’re a moron, hawk. Really.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Hey Mr Mozilla lover. You are prolly using a browser right now. Stop.

Ps: Lanceman will Mozilla you.

#BrowserCott

SparkPlug on April 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM

He’s probably looking up the meaning of that word.

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 4:41 PM

No, he believes he knows what it means. Honesty means whatever achieves his goals. Nothing less and nothing more.

oscarwilde on April 4, 2014 at 4:46 PM

My former sister-in-law was in a monogamous heterosexual marriage, yet she died from Aids. She contracted it from her husband, who had contracted it from a one night stand he had, with a woman, before he and my s-i-l met. Neither one of them knew he was HIV positive when they married.

That’s what I was referring to when I said that not everyone who contracts AIDS is in a homosexual relationship or a drug user.

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 4:38 PM

I am sorry about your sister-in-law, she certainly did nothing to deserve what happened for her. She was an innocent victim of another person’s depravity.

My point still stands, however, anyone who engages STRICTLY in monogamy (both partners) which also means NOT engaging in premarital sex who does not abuse drugs WILL NOT get AIDS.

The irony here is that this is ALSO TRUE FOR HOMOSEXUALS. If homosexual relationships really were monogamous they too would not be at risk of AIDS…

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Well, hardly a ringing endorsement for Alec to keep his job.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Bah…..ain’t no one yapping with me so I am going to sulk in the basement. Well, the basement is where the beer and guitars are and I finally have Hide Away up to speed and could play it live with comfort. Going to go play and give me an idea about a new song to learn.

HonestLib on April 4, 2014 at 4:46 PM

The intolerant hedonista fascists are going to usher in such a totalitarian state that humanity will be rent from every citizen unlucky enough to find itself captured by it. They are the “out of my bedroom” crowd. Who would have thought those queers would be the biggest fascists of the century?

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 4:30 PM

A really interesting walk down the philosophical garden path. Totally worth it for the footnotes alone; even and especially where I disagreed.

Moral Darwinism: How We Became Hedonists

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:47 PM

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM

You don’t have to reply to them all. How about a happy few or even a majority?

Oh that’s right you argue with your lib friends about it.

SparkPlug on April 4, 2014 at 4:47 PM

I stopped using FF today.

I will stop using it again tomorrow.

SparkPlug on April 4, 2014 at 4:36 PM

^ REAL commitment. ~looks around room accusingly~

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:40 PM

I am also determined to stop using Firefox…

This will be hard to do, as I have my browser highly customized so that the tabs are on the BOTTOM of the window AND the browser theme is of Netscape 4.0 complete with classic “N” throbber…

Going to try Opera. I used that before Firefox. Chrome too probably.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 4:48 PM

You as well. Where does the opinion polling stand? ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Feel the hatred coursing thru your veins hedonista! What do you propose as a final solution for those of us who are moral people? Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 4:31 PM

If I had vengeful anger, I’d say that you should have your marriage annulled and be barred from marrying.

Rolf, whatever. If anything is going to happen, it’s just that you might be silently judged once and awhile for the rest of your life. Nothing more than that.

You know how today we whisper, “Oh. Please forgive her! I apologize, she grew up in the pre-Civil Rights South,” around some people?

Prove it.
A group of fascists, who do not even speak for the people they purport to stand for, forced the CO-FOUNDER of his OWN company to resign. Not America.
An honest question and I expect an honest answer: have you ever been fired or forced to resign because you are gay?

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM

I have experience in the start up world. Something like 75% of founders and their co-founder are fired even before the IPO. The more successful founders get fired even faster. That statistic is outrageous to those that are not familiar with the business world, but it happens.

Second, companies don’t exist in vacuums. Their survival is entirely dependent upon revenue. Threats to that revenue spurns action.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Cheese wheel. Best name ever.

SparkPlug on April 4, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Hey Mr Mozilla lover. You are prolly using a browser right now. Stop.

Ps: Lanceman will Mozilla you.

#BrowserCott

SparkPlug on April 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM

I want a basement with a guitar and beer in it.

Comment posted by Opera, powered by Axe.

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:50 PM

If I don’t reply to every single commenter I disagree with, then that means I endorse whatever they say? You’re a moron, hawk. Really.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Hey JB, we have a few good yacks and found common ground and I think Hawk is a good dude. Just a point that has no point I guess. Chuckle!

HonestLib on April 4, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Thus far, you have chosen to show your approval of his statements by condoning them with your silence.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:35 PM

If I don’t reply to every single commenter I disagree with, then that means I endorse whatever they say? You’re a moron, hawk. Really.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM

You’re the moron. That was a quote from the article for context, Einstein. Comment on your own words rather than doing your dance. You didn’t care if he was forced out or not unless it had something to do with charity?

Again, hardly a ringing endoesemrent.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Say, you supported Obama and his anti-gay marriage position, didn’t you ZachV?

rogerb on April 4, 2014 at 4:37 PM

I’ve never voted for a Democrat in my life.

At least, not yet. That may change depending upon who the Presidential candidate (Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, etc.) turns out to be.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:52 PM

You know how today we whisper, “Oh. Please forgive her! I apologize, she grew up in the pre-Civil Rights South,” around some people?
 
ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:49 PM

 
No, but please tell us more about defending bigotry and making active choices to continue a friendship with someone who makes you feel a need to do that.

rogerb on April 4, 2014 at 4:55 PM

endorsement …

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Hey Mr Mozilla lover. You are prolly using a browser right now. Stop.

Ps: Lanceman will Mozilla you.

#BrowserCott

SparkPlug on April 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM

I want a basement with a guitar and beer in it.

Comment posted by Opera, powered by Axe.

Axe on April 4, 2014 at 4:50 PM

You know, with Firefox being open source under an open source license there is NOTHING to stop Eich from taking the code as it exists now, starting a new project and hiring/soliciting his own Dev Team.

Mozilla has never had real revenue, it’s supported by donations, and a deal with Google. No reason why Eich couldn’t solicit donations from Christians. I’d support it.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 4:55 PM

endorsement …

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Oops, not getting any smarter…

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:56 PM

At least, not yet. That may change depending upon who the Presidential candidate (Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, etc.) turns out to be.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Yeah, this is the 1 percent of the 2 percent we’re fighting tooth and nail to get to vote for us. ZachV, you’ve never made a comment about SOCONs staying home for the vote and throwing it to obama have you?

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:57 PM

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Excellent idea. It’s so good that I’m going to claim you stole it from me even though I never thought of it.

SparkPlug on April 4, 2014 at 4:57 PM

endorsement …

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Oops, not getting any smarter…

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Not in discussions with you.

Waiting …

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Second, companies don’t exist in vacuums. Their survival is entirely dependent upon revenue. Threats to that revenue spurns action.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 4:49 PM

If only.

slickwillie2001 on April 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM

You’re the moron. That was a quote from the article for context, Einstein. Comment on your own words rather than doing your dance. You didn’t care if he was forced out or not unless it had something to do with charity?

Again, hardly a ringing endoesemrent.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:51 PM

taps foot.

Waiting …

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM

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