Slate pro-tip on executive management: Only bad CEOs oppose same-sex marriage

posted at 12:01 pm on April 4, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Actually, Slate has two pieces up today on the Mozilla/Firefox nuttiness that cost Brendan Eich his job as CEO of the company, for a private political donation six years ago for a referendum that passed in California by a significant majority. Let’s see if you can guess which one is the satire. First up is Slate’s senior technology writer Will Oremus:

There was a time when supporting gay marriage made you a radical. Then there was a time when it made you a progressive. Now we’ve reached a point where not supporting gay marriage makes you unfit to lead a major Silicon Valley organization.

Some will say we’ve come too far, too fast—that it’s unfair to pillory someone for a political view that was held by the majority of Californians just six years ago. They’re wrong. …

The notion that your political views shouldn’t affect your employment is a persuasive one. Where would we be as a democracy if Republicans were barred from jobs at Democrat-led companies, or vice versa?

But this is different. Opposing gay marriage in America today is not akin to opposing tax hikes or even the war in Afghanistan. It’s more akin to opposing interracial marriage: It bespeaks a conviction that some people do not deserve the same basic rights as others. An organization like Mozilla might tolerate that in an underling, and it might even tolerate it in a CTO. But in a CEO—the ultimate decision-maker and public face of an organization—it sends an awful message. That’s doubly so for an organization devoted to openness and freedom on the Web—not to mention one with numerous gay employees.

Next, Will Saletan offers advice that the effort shouldn’t stop with Eich, but that the angry mobs should force companies to purge all the bigots:

Some of my colleagues are celebrating. They call Eich a bigot who got what he deserved. I agree. But let’s not stop here. If we’re serious about enforcing the new standard, thousands of other employees who donated to the same anti-gay ballot measure must be punished.

More than 35,000 people gave money to the campaign for Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that declared, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” You can download the entire list, via the Los Angeles Times, as a compressed spreadsheet. (Click the link that says, “Download CSV.”) Each row lists the donor’s employer. If you organize the data by company, you can add up the total number of donors and dollars that came from people associated with that company.

The first thing you’ll notice, if you search for Eich, is that he’s the only Mozilla employee who gave to the campaign for Prop 8. His $1,000 was more than canceled out by three Mozilla employees who donated to the other side.

The next thing you’ll notice is that other companies, including other tech firms, substantially outscored Mozilla in pro-Prop 8 contributions attributed to their employees. That includes Adobe, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, and Yahoo, as well as Disney, DreamWorks, Gap, and Warner Bros.

Thirty-seven companies in the database are linked to more than 1,300 employees who gave nearly $1 million in combined contributions to the campaign for Prop 8. Twenty-five tech companies are linked to 435 employees who gave more than $300,000. Many of these employees gave $1,000 apiece, if not more. Some, like Eich, are probably senior executives.Why do these bigots still have jobs? Let’s go get them.

As readers have no doubt surmised, Saletan’s is the satire, while Oremus’ should be. What makes a bad CEO can and has filled books, but his private political donations fall very far down any list — except for the so-called “tolerance” and “no-H8″ squads that demand total subjugation to their agenda as the price to pay for public engagement on any level. Oremus noted that no one seemed to have a big problem with Eich’s presence as chief technology officer after the donation was made public, even though that too was an executive-management position with great control over the direction of the company. And despite all of the pitchfork brigade’s fulminating for his removal, no one has offered a single point of fact that indicates that Eich treated LGBTQ employees any differently than others while serving as CTO.

As Saletan points out by looking at the data, the notion that opposition to SSM serves as a definition of fringe thought and bigotry is risible when seeing just how widespread that position is, even in the entertainment industry. Support for the traditional model of marriage goes way beyond the CEO level, obviously. Should companies where that support far outstrips that for SSM demand the resignation of CEOs who support SSM? Stamping out political heterodoxy at the executive level seems to be Oremus’ point, to the extent he has one at all.

Had Eich been chosen as managing editor of The Advocate and this donation came to light, his termination would make a lot more sense. His politics would have been opposite of one of the explicit efforts by that publication. Similarly, since people have used this as a hypothetical, parochial school teachers who refuse to adopt the doctrines of the faith for which the school is designed to educate should know that they will have to find other work (which is why the Supreme Court unanimously upheld the ministerial exception to employment law in those cases). Those are cases where the mission of the organization would be damaged directly by personal political action in opposition to it. In this case, though, there is no such connection between private political action and the operation of the company or service in its mission — as Eich’s long tenure as CTO demonstrated enough for him to get the top job. Mozilla exists to create web technology, not to serve a political or faith mission.

Of course Mozilla’s board can choose to hire and fire as it sees fit, but this shows that demands for “tolerance” and “noH8″ are unidirectional only. The rest of us can choose whether or not to use Mozilla’s products as a result of their intolerance for diversity of political thought. A few weeks ago, I wrote a column about the intolerance of the tolerance brigades, and its conclusion seems even more apropos now:

Tolerance does not mean acceptance or participation. It means allowing people to make their own choices about what they choose to do, and to respect the ability of their fellow citizens to do the same as long as it does no injury to them. What this contretemps shows is that America is getting a lot more intolerant the more “tolerant” we become.

Elizabeth Scalia has a suggestion to put an end to this “illiberal new power”:

If the headline strikes some as offensive, it will nevertheless remain, because that’s the case I’m making, and I’m sticking with it: a gay CEO with a pair of brass ones needs to step up and speak truth to a growing, and most illiberal new power. He or she needs to hire Brendan Eich in some sort of corporate leadership capacity for the sake of the most fundamental of freedoms — the freedom to think what you want to think, even if your thinking is unpopular or deemed “mistaken” — and in so doing boldly declare that our society has no truck with inquisitions. …

The very same people who have declared, “I yam what I yam”, and “we’re here, we’re queer; get used to it,” and who fought against discrimination on the basis of physical or emotional natures are proving themselves empty of magnanimity in victory. They are now saying “don’t be who you are,” and “you’re wrong, you’re gone; get used to it.” They’re applauding employment discrimination on the basis of an intellectual or spiritual philosophy.

What are they, anyway, philosophobes? Are they so terrified of any outlook which does not conform to theirs? I always thought a well-founded argument could withstand a little principled opposition. Apparently not.

Eich’s treatment is a symptom of weakness, not strength. Let’s hope it costs Mozilla, and teaches a lesson for all of the other companies that consider surrender to the “tolerance” squads.


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B. IPs are the easiest thing to mask.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Absolutely true.

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:40 PM

I’m confused. Are we talking about blackballing Mozilla? I’m good with that. If not, then who were asking about blackballing?

Gays?

Gay activists?

Who?

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

What most people don’t know, or have forgotten, is that Gay Marriage supporters used the intimidation tactic of boycotting Firefox to influence them to get rid of Eich.

BOYCOTT FIREFOX, rage gay devs as Mozilla appoints JavaScript daddy as CEO

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

You are a liar. It’s that simple.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Back off, troll. hawkdriver does not lie.

John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Hey man, get with the program. MLK, if he were alive today, would agree that being gay in modern America is just like being a black man or women in chattel slavery or under Jim Crow.

gwelf on April 4, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Hey, that gwelf is a pretty cool guy. I agree with him!

Sincerely,
Irony-impaired libby reading this thread

22044 on April 4, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 1:40 PM

I knew that. I just wanted to have clarity for readers just tuning in or readers who are unfamiliar with us. ; )

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM

https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback#

quick and easy way to tell Mozilla what you think of their actions

Annielou on April 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM

The message sent was clear as a bell.

Don’t oppose the Gaystapo.

The fascist hedonistas will destroy you.

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

All or any.

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

You made an accusation. You cannot back it up. You claim to know something that you cannot not know because it is not true. That makes you a liar.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:44 PM

How can you tell?

Akzed on April 4, 2014 at 1:40 PM

When it came up the other day, I jamesbo (Jimbo3) and Hot Air and re-read some of his prior comments.

I used to believe hagfish (bluegill) and cdseven were one and the same. Little did I know that Bluegill is a sock based off of cdseven.

So, technically, jim56 could be another person, but I doubt lightning would strike twice at HA. Especially with someone as singularly uninteresting as Jamesbo.

cdseven’s schtick was the Palin derangement.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM

I would say that blackballing gays is unacceptable, legally speaking. Blackballing a gay activist for their public statements is fine, IMHO.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM

* s/b I googled Jamesbo at Hot Air.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Anyone who still thinks we can fix this country through the political process is an idiot.

bgibbs1000 on April 4, 2014 at 1:47 PM

What if an employee went to a demonstration that his company found objectionable? Would that be a reason to fire him? What we have here is a social pressure to keep your beliefs deeply private for fear of retribution. We are enforcing another sort of closet on others. I can barely believe the fanaticism. – Andrew Sullivan

(Emphasis mine)

When you’ve got Andrew Sullivan summing up my views on the topic appropriately… when you’ve got us not just on the same side, but in complete agreement… you’ve screwed something up BADLY.

I agree with Sullivan rarely. Until now I’ve been in complete agreement with him (where a quote from him is an accurate and full summation of my views) almost never.

And in every case, it was someone involved in a colossal screw-up. If you don’t think that’s what this was, you’re likely in for some real unpleasant fallout as this shakes out. And it will shake out… badly.

gekkobear on April 4, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Anyone who still thinks we can fix this country through the political process is an idiot.

bgibbs1000 on April 4, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Pretty much. These discussions are more wishful thinking than anything else. But I believe, deep down, everyone already knows that.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Firefox has made a huge mess for themselves. Ultimately it will harm the bottom line for the company. They chose to undertake the decision, they will live with the result. Losing customers is never (seldom) part of a company’s business strategy. When it is they generally will start a down hill slide. A slide which undermines the very reason for their being. And is generally impossible to correct.

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM

What about militant gay groups?

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

But this is different. Opposing gay marriage in America today is not akin to opposing tax hikes or even the war in Afghanistan. It’s more akin to opposing interracial marriage:

Negative. Interacial marriage NEVER involved actually changing the definition of “marriage”.

And before anyone goes “but way back when a man could have mulitiple wives” keep in mind that for each wife that a man took, that was considered a marriage. In other words, if a man had three wives, that was considered three marriages.

DethMetalCookieMonst on April 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

You made an accusation. You cannot back it up. You claim to know something that you cannot not know because it is not true. That makes you a liar.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:44 PM

You make accusations as to the inner nature and character of people you don’t agree with all the time that you can’t prove or back up. Then you’re a liar too. Let’s get club jackets.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 1:51 PM

What about militant gay groups?

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

What about them? Can you vote against them? Sure, fine with me.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:43 PM

I would say that blackballing gays is unacceptable, legally speaking. Blackballing a gay activist for their public statements is fine, IMHO.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM

But, it’s okay to blackball a citizen who makes a private donation just because he is the co-founder and now the CEO of a corporation? I’m betting you don’t believe corporations are people either, right KosBoy? He’s not an activist, he just happens to be successful.

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 1:52 PM

–Then don’t complain. The left was just successful in its boycott when the right wasn’t. I don’t recall any conservatives standing up for the United Airlines’ CEO when the pro-life organizations called for the United Airlines boycott.

jim56 on April 4, 2014 at 1:34 PM

On a thread yesterday I asked you straight up had you been banned before. You said no. Was that a lie?

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:36 PM

You may chose to ignore me. I won’t ignore you. What you do is your right. What I do with said info is mine.

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Andrew Sullivan Worries LGBT Movement Becoming Like Religious Right

By Andrew Kirell

After learning that Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich would resign over his anti-gay marriage views, Andrew Sullivan lamented that perhaps the LGBT movement has become a bit too much like the religious right.

“The guy who had the gall to express his First Amendment rights and favor Prop 8 in California by donating $1,000 has just been scalped by some gay activists,” Sullivan wrote of Eich’s resignation.

Eich’s donation in support of California’s anti-gay marriage amendment has long been the source of controversy. Upon being announced as the browser company’s new chief, LGBT groups began calling for boycotts. Popular dating site OkCupid changed their homepage for Mozilla users to feature a message discouraging members from using the company’s Firefox browser.

“Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame? Why not the stocks?” Sullivan snarked. “The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society.”

Sullivan has long been a strong defender of LGBT causes, but as indicated in the blog post, he’s not sure the movement has progressed with this development.

“If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out,” he concluded. “If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.”

Sullivan is certainly onto something here.

For one, Eich’s views are wrong, but they are completely irrelevant to how he’d run the browser company. It’s not as though Firefox would suddenly veer into anti-gay territory, complete with a “Prop 8 Toolbar” or something. It would be bad for business for Eich to have done anything but continue providing a service that many use without political controversy.

While I find most boycotts silly and unnecessary, they are always the preferable route (over government force) to changing the marketplace. But claiming the scalp of an executive whose views have almost nothing to do with his business is a bit excessive and the result of misplaced targeting.

UPDATE: Sullivan had even more thoughts on the matter here.

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Okay. I’m done here. Good day.

Bmore on April 4, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 1:52 PM

a. I was a strong Romney supporter and yes, I do think that corporations, being an association of people, do have the right to speak freely.

b. for the 50th time, I found what Mozilla did to be legal, but I don’t like that they did it.

c. I said I wouldn’t reply to you again, but I felt like it. Make of that what you will.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:59 PM

now finally is that that?

CW on April 4, 2014 at 1:59 PM

I’m still so mad at this..It’s really outrageous and that satire piece doesn’t seem like it could be out of the realm of possibility anymore..The next step in the intolerance brigade is that it will be a hate crime to preach against homosexuality..it will be a hate crime not to marry gay people in your church….God save us

sadsushi on April 4, 2014 at 2:00 PM

but I felt like it. you are killing me.

CW on April 4, 2014 at 2:00 PM

BOYCOTT MOZILLA

Tell ‘em how you feel at press@mozilla.org

John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Unfortunately, people like hawkdriver claim Sullivan is only saying these things because:

Some credit where credit is due – Andrew Sullivan came out *against* this immediately and unequivocally.

gwelf on April 4, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Convenient opposition when they know it cannot be stopped or even slowed down.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM

At least some people can be intellectually honest.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:01 PM

NATURAL BLUES, sing it!

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 2:03 PM

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM

At least some people can be intellectually honest.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Something you know zero about.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Lets hope it costs Mozilla.. why? You confuse the unpopularity of anti-gay sentiment with persecution of anti-gays.

antisense on April 4, 2014 at 2:07 PM

At least some people can be intellectually honest.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:01 PM

And Andrew Sullivan is not.

Andrew Sullivan created, nurtured, and pushed this fascist hysteria.

And now Dr. Frankenstein is suddenly professing public horror for his monster’s actions.

What is happening is that Sullivan is still sober enough to realize that this is pitchforks-and-torches time, and he’s desperately trying to save his own castle.

As for you, JetBoy, you and your fellow gay-sex marriage supporters were warned that your movement was crawling with fascists years ago and that you were being used.

But you were too stupid and childish and desperate to inflict your revenge on the Christians you blame for all your problems that you ignored it.

And now you’re exposed as supporting firing people for their political beliefs.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Oops…my comment:

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:01 PM

…is meant as a reply to:

Resist We Much on April 4, 2014 at 1:53 PM

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 1:52 PM

a. I was a strong Romney supporter and yes, I do think that corporations, being an association of people, do have the right to speak freely.

b. for the 50th time, I found what Mozilla did to be legal, but I don’t like that they did it.

c. I said I wouldn’t reply to you again, but I felt like it. Make of that what you will.

MJBrutus on April 4, 2014 at 1:59 PM

a. Who cares.

b. What about the rights of the other guy? 50 times don’t make it right, KosBoy.

C. Who cares.

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Oops…my comment:

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Oops, not getting smarter.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 2:10 PM

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Have you gotten help yet?

I will pray to my gods for you.

Mozilla, a corporation, is a person. It has simply decided to get a haircut because another person, OKCupid and others found it to be dweeby.

What’s so hard to comprende?

antisense on April 4, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Oops, not getting smarter.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 2:10 PM

And I’M not getting any younger! :P

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 2:16 PM

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:07 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Lqp7IM0.gif

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Have you gotten help yet?

A typical slander of a leftist who insists anyone who disagrees with them is mentally ill.

It shows that not only are you anti-factual, you are also completely and wholly unethical.

It also proves that Barack Obama supporters like yourself want to use privileged and protected health information to punish other people for public dissent.

You are a criminal and an anti-American maggot.

I will pray to my gods for you.

antisense on April 4, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Again, the difference.

You consider that an insult because you are an intolerant bigot who cannot stand the thought of anyone worshiping anything other than you do.

I could care less because your religious beliefs are not my concern or bother.

You just outed yourself as an intolerant bigot, demonstrated me the conservative to be the tolerant one, and thus had your insult backfire on you completely.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:20 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Lqp7IM0.gif

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Uh huh.

Instead of admitting that you endorsed fascists in the name of gay-sex marriage, you namecall.

Way to out yourself as a supporter of having people fired for their political donations and beliefs, JetBoy.

But we knew that. You’re a craven little coward who is so desperate to be liked by other gays that you’ll cover up anything they do.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Breaking: Looks like a judge is about to strike down Ohio’s gay marriage ban.

antisense on April 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM

At least some people can be intellectually honest.
JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Is pretending that there’s no such thing as traditional marriage make you “intellectually honest”?

Akzed on April 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Way to out yourself as a supporter of having people fired for their political donations and beliefs, JetBoy.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:21 PM

You are pure entertainment.

Post one comment of mine where I supported “having people fred for their political donations and beliefs”. Just one.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM

I’m still so mad at this..It’s really outrageous and that satire piece doesn’t seem like it could be out of the realm of possibility anymore..The next step in the intolerance brigade is that it will be a hate crime to preach against homosexuality..it will be a hate crime not to marry gay people in your church….God save us
sadsushi on April 4, 2014 at 2:00 PM

There really is a way to stop this and that’s by standing up to them and not by complying with their fascism. This CEO did more harm than good by caving and not fighting back.

Cleombrotus on April 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM

I’m just about of the opinion that the gays are as worthless as Earth’s human trash people: The Paleostinians.

Quit funding a cure for AIDS.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Stop fighting amongst ourselves and take the fight to the fascist thugs at Mozilla: press@mozilla.org

John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 2:33 PM

But this is different. Opposing gay marriage in America today is not akin to opposing tax hikes or even the war in Afghanistan. It’s more akin to opposing interracial marriage: It bespeaks a conviction that some people do not deserve the same basic rights as others.

Wrong. Gay marriage is nothing like interracial marriage because an interracial marriage is between a man and a woman. Ask the 70% of blacks who voted for Prop 8 if they think it is the same.

monalisa on April 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM

The next step in the intolerance brigade is that it will be a hate crime to preach against homosexuality…

sadsushi on April 4, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Preacher Arrested for Calling Homosexuality a Sin

Texas Pastor Jailed for Preaching at Pride Event Awaits Court Date

Swedish Pastor Faces Jail for Preaching against Homosexuality

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Quit funding a cure for AIDS.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Stop that. It’s not funny.

This is about free speech. I support SSM but I do not support firing a man for his views.

John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Quit funding a cure for AIDS.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 2:32 PM

There’s a political disease if there ever was one. I tried to give blood. They rejected me simply because I live with someone with Hep C.

If I lived with someone with full-blown AIDS I could have given blood.

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 2:35 PM

This CEO did more harm than good by caving and not fighting back.

Cleombrotus on April 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM

It’s not that he caved…if Mozilla was adamant about ousting him, he would have been voted out by the board of directors…effectively “fired”. That would be a huge stain on his resume…whether it was deserved or undeserved, and possibly cost the company untold dollars…not to mention the publicity. By letting him resign, he avoids all that.

Personally, as a gay and pro-SSM, I’ve plainly stated that he should have never been put in the position of resigning. The militant liberal factions of gays are employing the usual Leftist tactics. And they stand for everything I abhor.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Quit funding a cure for AIDS.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 2:32 PM

You do realize that not everyone who gets Aids is gay, don’t you? Nor are they drug users.

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Heres something to fire up the socons.

Ohio’s ban was struck down about an hour ago.

Thats OK, UT, MI, VA, … uhh … Ive actually lost count theres so many.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

You do realize that not everyone who gets Aids is gay, don’t you? Nor are they drug users.

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM

We used to have a joke back in the very early 80s when the CIA first invented AIDS.

“What’s the worst thing about getting AIDS?”

“Trying to convince your parents that you’re Haitian”

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Let the once Christian nation become no more. Time for American Christians to be persecuted for believing in the Bible. When we make up our own morals, then we as a people have nothing to live by and will no longer be a successful nation.

They ask for equality for all yet they’re not willing to give it.

mrscullen on April 4, 2014 at 2:44 PM

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Er, no.

10 days from now, his decision will be released.

But at least you’ve dropped all pretense of being a “live and let live” gay.

nobar on April 4, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Heres something to fire up the socons.

Ohio’s ban was struck down about an hour ago.

Thats OK, UT, MI, VA, … uhh … Ive actually lost count theres so many.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Yes, yes we know that you are gay idiot who supports judicial activism and “tit for tat” retaliation. Most of us who engage you are seriously bored with you..

melle1228 on April 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Stop making this a religious fight. It’s not. It has nothing to do with gay marriage. It’s about free speech and political diversity.

John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Way to out yourself as a supporter of having people fired for their political donations and beliefs, JetBoy.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:21 PM

You are pure entertainment.

Post one comment of mine where I supported “having people fred for their political donations and beliefs”. Just one.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM

From what I have gathered, you two are both gay, correct? Do either one of you feel that Glaad or any other LGBT group speak for you?

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Er, no

10 days from now, his decision will be released.

But at least you’ve dropped all pretense of being a “live and let live” gay.

nobar on April 4, 2014 at 2:50 PM

There was never a pretense for Zach. He has always been an in your face “you or someone like you was mean to me once, so I hope that you go back in the closet and get demonized.”

melle1228 on April 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Personally, as a gay and pro-SSM, I’ve plainly stated that he should have never been put in the position of resigning. The militant liberal factions of gays are employing the usual Leftist tactics. And they stand for everything I abhor.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM

And that’s why you grovel before them and scream at Christians and conservatives for resisting them.

And that’s why you call gays who punch back against leftist bigots self-loathing.

Try harder to make yourself believable, moby.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

It is virtually impossible for political correctness, gay or otherwise, not to go complete totalitarian (Communist, Fascist, Islamic, 1984, whatever). It does not grow to a moderate level and then stop as that is not in it’s nature, nor in the nature of those who promote it. Left alive, it will feed on the human mind until there is nothing left.

For what so many Americans never knew
Now America’s time may indeed be through
But through the eternal night
The twinkling of starlight
So very far away
Maybe it’s only yesterday

VorDaj on April 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Stop making this a religious fight. It’s not. It has nothing to do with gay marriage. It’s about free speech and political diversity.

John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM

All that went out of the way when punishing thought became a political strategy.

melle1228 on April 4, 2014 at 2:53 PM

From what I have gathered, you two are both gay, correct? Do either one of you feel that Glaad or any other LGBT group speak for you?

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

GLAAD only repeats what antireligious bigots like JetBoy say in private.

They have never represented me because I am a human being, and they’re only interested in representing leftist feral animals.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Hopefully, one day, when critical mass is reached, we will be able to Live and Let Die…

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Hopefully, one day, when critical mass is reached, we will be able to Live and Let Die…

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 2:54 PM

That is Ezekiel Emmanuel’s “Complete Lives Programme.”

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Nice lyrics, Vordaj. In the year 2525. Before my time, but a good song.

Vanceone on April 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

What if an employee went to a demonstration that his company found objectionable? Would that be a reason to fire him? What we have here is a social pressure to keep your beliefs deeply private for fear of retribution. We are enforcing another sort of closet on others. I can barely believe the fanaticism. – Andrew Sullivan

Sullivan is right, but it is not just that.

It is a social pressure to keep your wallet securely closed for fear of retribution.

It’s an election year. The most urgent prog need is to dry up the opposition’s income.

Missy on April 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM

There was never a pretense for Zach. He has always been an in your face “you or someone like you was mean to me once, so I hope that you go back in the closet and get demonized.”

melle1228 on April 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Exactly.

Both ZachV and JetBoy are damaged little children who think government should exist to play out their revenge fantasies against the Christians and straight people who “wronged” them.

Once you realize that, their behavior becomes much more obvious. Especially when ZachV has bragged that his family openly advocated and carried out violence against Christians, in addition to molesting its underage members.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM

I say again: I am scared for my country.

Professor Blather on April 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM

That is Ezekiel Emmanuel’s “Complete Lives Programme.”

Murphy9 on April 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

That ain’t the ‘programme’ I’M reading from…
Mine contains references to numerous metrics…
Like 7.62x39mm…

Lanceman on April 4, 2014 at 2:59 PM

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM

I agree with you on Zach. I don’t on Jet.

melle1228 on April 4, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Stop making this a religious fight. It’s not. It has nothing to do with gay marriage. It’s about free speech and political diversity.

John the Libertarian on April 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM

It is, but it is about religious freedom too, obviously. The churches are major targets in the prog crusade. Just as they are in places like the Soviet Union and Communist China and the Islamofascist Middle East.

It’s not coincidental.

Missy on April 4, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Jet is a reasonable guy…and he is also gay. Save your rage for the more militant types.

If I were gay I would make my own gay version of marriage then forbid heterosexuals from participating just to cause trouble…

ClassicCon on April 4, 2014 at 3:06 PM

More important that that, who is the girl in the photo, because woooooow!

(Also, I’ve always been partial to Opera anyway. Now that Safari has Adblock, though…)

kuro_shogun on April 4, 2014 at 3:10 PM

From what I have gathered, you two are both gay, correct? Do either one of you feel that Glaad or any other LGBT group speak for you?

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

GLAAD only repeats what antireligious bigots like JetBoy say in private.

They have never represented me because I am a human being, and they’re only interested in representing leftist feral animals.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Thank you for being honest, I appreciate that. I like both you and JetBoy and I wonder, at what point do gays rise up against groups like glaad and tell them they don’t speak for me, like conservatives do for Karl Rove or John McCain? A censure like AZ did for McCain. Most people have a friend or family who is gay and they usually love and support them, but these groups seem to ruin any gains made in society.

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Heres something to fire up the socons.

Ohio’s ban was struck down about an hour ago.

Thats OK, UT, MI, VA, … uhh … Ive actually lost count theres so many.

ZachV on April 4, 2014 at 2:42 PM

The Associated Press @AP
CORRECTION: Judge says he will order Ohio to recognize out-of-state gay marriages. (Previously said judge would strike down Ohio ban.)

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 3:10 PM

There really is a way to stop this and that’s by standing up to them and not by complying with their fascism. This CEO did more harm than good by caving and not fighting back.

Cleombrotus on April 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Absolutely right…We should stand up to these bullies and not give in to them..Time to speak our mind without fear of persecution or of being called names..enough is enough

Preacher Arrested for Calling Homosexuality a Sin

Texas Pastor Jailed for Preaching at Pride Event Awaits Court Date

Swedish Pastor Faces Jail for Preaching against Homosexuality

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 2:35 PM

crazy stuff

sadsushi on April 4, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Everyone must try and look on the bright side as even with all that’s going on in America (and the list is becoming very long) we still have more freedom of speech and thought and more liberty than the people of … … … North Korea.

VorDaj on April 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM

What exactly does LGBTQ mean?

OliverB on April 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM

If I were gay I would make my own gay version of marriage then forbid heterosexuals from participating just to cause trouble…

ClassicCon on April 4, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Yeah because that’s exactly what we’ve been saying all along and that would really piss us off.

They could call it Pairage

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 3:16 PM

You do realize that not everyone who gets Aids is gay, don’t you? Nor are they drug users.

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM

AIDS, unlike cancer, unlike hepatitis, unlike virtually all other deadly diseases is 100% preventable. There are two ways it spreads: homosexuality and drug use.

Any taxpayer fund spent on AIDS should be limited to efforts to:

1. Discourage homosexual acts
2. Discourage injecting illegal drugs

Other countries (such as Uganda) have done exactly that and drastically reduced their number of AIDS cases.

The Gaystapo has been predicting (hoping for) a heterosexual epidemic of AIDS since the 1980′s and it’s never happened. Mainly because the homosexual act tends to intermingle BLOOD with mucous membranes because it’s an unnatural act (ie: it wasn’t meant TO GO THERE). Not saying it can’t spread heterosexually (it does) but the probability is much higher.

Simply put, you will NEVER have to worry about AIDS if you:

1. Are in a monogamous heterosexual marriage.
2. Don’t inject drugs.
3. Abstain from both.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 3:17 PM

What exactly does LGBTQ mean?

OliverB on April 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Google it!

CW on April 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM

I guess that wasn’t that.

CW on April 4, 2014 at 3:19 PM

It’s more akin to opposing interracial marriage

I’m sure there are still people out there who feel that way. It’s abhorrent and wrong, but why should anyone care so long as those views have nothing to do with their jobs?

Sure, let’s tar and feather reporters, politicians, etc., who hold views like that, but the CEO of a browser company who didn’t even advertise his opinion?

In polite society, we need tolerance, but we should never force acceptance. If anything, it only strengthens these opinions, causes people to dig in and become unreasonable, fearing their identities are at stake.

This isn’t about gay marriage. This can happen on any issue. For example, you can (and I believe should) make it repugnant socially for me to discriminate against a Muslim; however, society should not be used to coerce me into accepting the practice of circumcising girls or putting them in burkas.

Esthier on April 4, 2014 at 3:23 PM

I say again: I am scared for my country.

Professor Blather on April 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM

During WWII my grandmother had five stars in her window. In those days, on the foreign soil of many different countries around the world, my family members enthusiastically killed fascists by the bushel basket.

Today, the members of my family are FAR more numerous, and we are well armed. We are prepared to carry-on in the family tradition. We are just waiting for the call. The one thing I can promise you is that the fascists will KNOW that they’ve been in a fight.

CyberCipher on April 4, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Good stuff RWM

Best was the Iwo Jima Mem with the white flag. “Get it up before we win”.

So funny and sad all at the same time.

hawkdriver on April 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Way to out yourself as a supporter of having people fired for their political donations and beliefs, JetBoy.

northdallasthirty on April 4, 2014 at 2:21 PM

You are pure entertainment.

Post one comment of mine where I supported “having people fred for their political donations and beliefs”. Just one.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM

I’m still waiting…

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Simply put, you will NEVER have to worry about AIDS if you:

1. Are in a monogamous heterosexual marriage.
2. Don’t inject drugs.
3. Abstain from both.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 3:17 PM

You may like to think that’s true, but unfortunately, it’s not always so cut and dry.

Flora Duh on April 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM

CW on April 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Kinda of confusing, so Q means someone questioning if the are an L or B or simply a G. Unless they are a T. So G=(Q)-T (H)if all things are equal. Thank God I took liberal arts maths.

OliverB on April 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Simply put, you will NEVER have to worry about AIDS if you:

1. Are in a monogamous heterosexual marriage.
2. Don’t inject drugs.
3. Abstain from both.

ConstantineXI on April 4, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Ryan White’s mom would be sooo P.O.ed at this. I know this because I saw the movie in 7th grade right after Captain Planet.

OliverB on April 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Esthier on April 4, 2014 at 3:23 PM

An Esthier sighting! Where have you been, or have I simply not seen you around?

From what I have gathered, you two are both gay, correct? Do either one of you feel that Glaad or any other LGBT group speak for you?

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

They don’t speak for me, that’s for sure. I’ve never supported any of them, and frequently argue against them. You can’t rely on northdallasthirty for anything…whatever he says about me, he never seems to be able to back up his accusations when asked to do so.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Personally, as a gay and pro-SSM, I’ve plainly stated that he should have never been put in the position of resigning. The militant liberal factions of gays are employing the usual Leftist tactics. And they stand for everything I abhor.
JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM

What do you mean by “put in the position of resigning”?

He should’ve never been hired to begin with?

Skywise on April 4, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Esthier on April 4, 2014 at 3:23 PM

An Esthier sighting! Where have you been, or have I simply not seen you around?

From what I have gathered, you two are both gay, correct? Do either one of you feel that Glaad or any other LGBT group speak for you?

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM

They don’t speak for me, that’s for sure. I’ve never supported any of them, and frequently argue against them. You can’t rely on northdallasthirty for anything…whatever he says about me, he never seems to be able to back up his accusations when asked to do so.

JetBoy on April 4, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Thank you for answering, JetBoy. I do appreciate it. I think the rank regard you two have for each other could take down glaad in one weekend.

Cheese Wheel on April 4, 2014 at 3:38 PM

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