Insurers getting pretty nervous about pending ObamaCare rate increases

posted at 1:21 pm on April 3, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

As President Obama made supremely sure we were all aware with his in-your-face announcement pronouncement on Tuesday, a last-minute spurt of interest gave the administration just enough juice to claim that ObamaCare had reached the “7 million” signups figure they initially offered as their goal (even though it could very well be something more along the lines of maybe 6 million, but whatevs) — and certain Democrats, at least publicly, are taking the almost meaningless total a win. As the NYT puts it, “it’s far too early to say a political turnaround is at hand” [no kidding], “but for the first time this election year, Democrats are evincing some confidence that they have at least stanched the bleeding”:

“It’s changing. If you’ve been around awhile, and I’ve been around awhile, you can sense it,” said Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate. “You’re not going to turn away seven or 10 million people from insurance coverage — doesn’t work anymore. And then comes Ryan. Thank you, thank you Congressman Paul Ryan, for reminding us what Republicans would do if they had control.” …

“Even though the Democrats are trying to take some victory lap, it’s very short term,” said Senator John Thune of South Dakota, chairman of the Senate Republican Conference. “The bad news continues. The hits keep coming.”

But for the first time in a while, Democrats this week found themselves talking up a contrast between their agenda — protecting the newly insured, raising the minimum wage and renewing unemployment benefits — and a Republican plan that would cut health care and education spending deeply, and move Medicare toward private insurance.

True that Democrats now have the “7 million” and counting enrolled in the program to ‘protect’ (although how many of those are actually “newly insured” is a crucial question that remains to be seen), and the NYT posits that “this spring at least should be a respite” for Democrats — but I do not know about that at all. Sure, the program is now sufficiently installed, but the program is still pretty deeply unpopular and now the administration actually has to run the damn thing. As Sen. Thune put it, the hits just keep on coming; Reuters reports on still more news about insurers, for instance, getting increasingly antzy about the premiums that they expect to rise by double-digit percentages in some parts of the country over the next couple of years, just to keep their operations above water:

As the first Obamacare enrollment period comes to a close, U.S. insurers are already anticipating the need to raise prices for 2015 and fear that it will put them at the center of the political blame game over President Barack Obama’s healthcare law. …

But insurers have already said that the first group of new enrollees under Obamacare, as the law is widely known, represent a higher rate of older and costlier members than hoped. …

“I do think that it’s likely premium rate shocks are coming. I think they begin to make themselves at least partially known in 2015 and fully known in 2016,” said Chet Burrell, chief executive officer of CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield. “That will be different in different parts of the country. I don’t think it will be uniformly the same.”

“Do the premiums need to rise, just to cover the cost, to such a level that it creates both political heat, regulatory heat, finger-pointing, accusation?” Burrell said at the Reuters Health Summit in Washington on Tuesday. “If that happened, then the environment becomes very difficult and it doesn’t in a sense matter that you worked out all the details. You’re at each others’ throats because it just costs so much.”

Certain Democrats might think they’re in for an easier time for a spell, but tell that to the vulnerable red-state Democrats trying not to panic over the whole boondoggle right now. [And, sidebar: Uhm, did insurers not deduce that they would most definitely be "at the center of the political blame game" when they got into this mess?]


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…no one is lying!

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Stinkburger with a diarrhea chaser.

Chuck Schick on April 3, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Rate shocks are coming for years to come. The Democrats wanted it, now they have to deal with it.

rickv404 on April 3, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Repeat the lie(s) often enough and…

Amendment X on April 3, 2014 at 1:32 PM

They really think they can lie their way through this.

Meanwhile we have local clinics collapsing, and people with nice crisp Medicaid cards and no doctor to go to.

forest on April 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Uhm, did insurers not deduce that they would most definitely be “at the center of the political blame game” when they got into this mess?

Not when the liar in Chief promised unicorns, rainbows and huge profits.

And they fell for it.

Time to pay the piper.

redguy on April 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM

“I do think that it’s likely premium rate shocks are coming. I think they begin to make themselves at least partially known in 2015 and fully known in 2016,” said Chet Burrell, chief executive officer of CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield. “That will be different in different parts of the country. I don’t think it will be uniformly the same.”

…not to worry!…they won’t have to know until December!…I’m sure that can be delayed until then!

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Insurers worried? Not as much as me as dumb old me, ‘cause I ain’t gots me none of that “risk corridors” /”Waive-at-Her” protection thingy stuff!

HonestLib on April 3, 2014 at 1:36 PM

No sweat. When the rates sky rocket, just blame the insurance companies and President Clinton then can move straight into her Holy Grail – a single payer system whose first name is Uncle, er, Taxpayer…

vnvet on April 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Fluke them all, into oblivion, then pour lemon juice on them.

NO bailouts for the traitors.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM

…You’re at each others’ throats because it just costs so much.”

Problem: cost
Solution: single payer

Kaffa on April 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Go to Hell all ins. companies who stood with obama.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Go to Hell all ins. companies who stood with obama.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Some insurance companies were more or less forced to participate in Obamacare in order to keep their Medicare business. CMS controls both.

Kaffa on April 3, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Why are they worried? obama, Reid, Pelosi, Wasserman-Schmutz, and that Goebbels son, Carney, all say that the rates will be lower.

Not to forget the beloved HA trolls, who claim the same.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Ah, ye olde “quote one republican leaning insurance executive makingna baseless claim with no actual specifics, and pretend he’s speaking widely accepted truths in the insurance industry” routine.

Why do you guys keep listening to these charlatans, even though everything they’ve ever told you or predicted has been wrong?

Why won’t you hold them accountable for their BS?

There will not be any massive premium hikes, because the demographics of the signups has been well within the expectations that the insuarance companies built into their initial prices.

You guys have to stop falling for this crap. They are using you.

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM

…You’re at each others’ throats because it just costs so much.”
Problem: cost
Solution: single payer
Kaffa on April 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM
In liberal land single payer will always work in reality single payer in bankrupting nations….and killing people…

sorrowen on April 3, 2014 at 1:44 PM

“I do think that it’s likely premium rate shocks are coming.”

Nah! King Barack the Magnificent “has a pen”!

GarandFan on April 3, 2014 at 1:45 PM

There will not be any massive premium hikes, because the demographics of the signups has been well within the expectations that the insuarance companies built into their initial prices.

You guys have to stop falling for this crap. They are using you.

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Then I’m sure you’ll be happy to provide the demographics of the signups.

I’ll wait.

bigmacdaddy on April 3, 2014 at 1:46 PM

[And, sidebar: Uhm, did insurers not deduce that they would most definitely be "at the center of the political blame game" when they got into this mess?]

Nope, all they saw was money. Always count on the baser instincts to override. Most cannot control lust.

Endunamoo on April 3, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Kaffa on April 3, 2014 at 1:37 PM

In liberal land single payer will always work in reality single payer in bankrupting nations….and killing people…

sorrowen on April 3, 2014 at 1:44 PM

You are correct, of course.

Kaffa on April 3, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Ah, ye olde “quote one republican leaning insurance executive makingna baseless claim with no actual specifics, and pretend he’s speaking widely accepted truths in the insurance industry” routine.

Why do you guys keep listening to these charlatans, even though everything they’ve ever told you or predicted has been wrong?

Specifics? Sure let’s talk specifics, namely the numbers Obama pulled out his butt without any specifics of who comprises this imaginary figure.

As for the second part, “if you like your plan you can keep it.” Except Obama didn’t merely get that wrong; he lied to everyone.

Erich66 on April 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Not only are the rates going to increase, but so is the tax for not getting insurance.

HiJack on April 3, 2014 at 1:50 PM

I love it that these ‘rats are trash talking critics of Obamacare when they still can’t answer the usual set of critical questions.

1. How many of those 7.1M suckers have actually paid?
2. How many of them are newly insured? Are on Medicaid?
3. How many of them are young people?

Happy Nomad on April 3, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Meanwhile we have local clinics collapsing, and people with nice crisp Medicaid cards and no doctor to go to.

forest on April 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM

You expected them to have both a doctor and a Medicaid card? Somebody thinks they’re living like an Obama or Kardashian or somethin’

Happy Nomad on April 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM

How many people are now going to pay for a month or two of insurance, get whatever they need done, and then stop paying?

blue13326 on April 3, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Ah, ye olde “quote one republican leaning insurance executive makingna baseless claim with no actual specifics, and pretend he’s speaking widely accepted truths in the insurance industry” routine.

Why do you guys keep listening to these charlatans, even though everything they’ve ever told you or predicted has been wrong?

Why won’t you hold them accountable for their BS?

There will not be any massive premium hikes, because the demographics of the signups has been well within the expectations that the insuarance companies built into their initial prices.

You guys have to stop falling for this crap. They are using you.

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Why would a greedy GOP-loving insurance executive lie about gouging the good people of America? That’s what makes them greedy GOP-loving insurance executives.

You need to get your talking points straight, then come back.

Chuck Schick on April 3, 2014 at 1:56 PM

The Dems treat enrollment through the exchanges as some sort of one-time, permanent-status event–once there, tote up the score. As the policy premiums rise, demand will decrease (disenrollment). Obamacare will become an escalating nightmare immune from typical Democrat palaver, and no amount of finger pointing will alter the math.

Barnestormer on April 3, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Single-payer is looming. That is the ‘fix’ that the Democrats will offer when premiums go up 15-20% after the 2014 election.

They probably won’t be able to get legislation through since it seems unlikely they will regain control of the House, even if they keep control of the Senate.

But when has the lack of new legislation stopped Obama from changing the ACA to suit his political ideals and goals? I anticipate an Executive Order in early 2015 to ‘fix’ the premiums problem by establishing a new National Health Insurance Agency within the HHS Department, with the charter to implement single-payer across the nation.

s1im on April 3, 2014 at 1:59 PM

The trap is set.

ObamaCare is now a smashing success. Why? Because “7 million have enrolled” and the sky didn’t fall to the ground. Obama said so…and the news media are going to say so relentlessly in the coming months.

So guess who’s going to get blamed when premiums and deductibles jump through the stratosphere over the next year or two.

rvastar on April 3, 2014 at 1:59 PM

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Sarc used to be so much better.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Those numbers don’t exist just like Obamacare does not exist well in Obama’s head it does. Liberals should not with the law of the land excuse…he changed it 38 damn times. Whatever it was passed as it’s not what it is not Obama has gutted his “law” of the land like a fish.

sorrowen on April 3, 2014 at 2:00 PM

People who want to celebrate the destruction of the health insurers and like to claim that they were only thinking of the money might at least try to remember what HHS did to Humana when it sent out letters saying that OCare might harm their Medicare Advantage plans.

Divide and conquer is what the left needs to make this thing stick. If an insurer finally sees the light and wants to join the repeal effort, it should be congratulated, not vilified. Forget the past, stop grumbling about the end of the nation from armchairs, and start doing something concrete to round up allies for a repeal effort.

For a start, repeal requires that like thinking people win elections at every level.

secant on April 3, 2014 at 2:01 PM

So guess who’s going to get blamed when premiums and deductibles jump through the stratosphere over the next year or two.

rvastar on April 3, 2014 at 1:59 PM

The Rs deserve to get the blame, because they are complicit with the Goebellian claims.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Crushing the insurance companies is the point of ObamaCare.
Destroy the private sector then single payer is the only option “forward”.

gwelf on April 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM


The Democrats wanted it, now they have to deal with it.

rickv404 on April 3, 2014 at 1:31 PM

But…

“…and fear that it will put [insurers] at the center of the political blame game”

Again, by design.

Tsar of Earth on April 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM

These loser Democrats are starting to get their talking points together and I am getting real tired of this one:

The Republicans are complaining and against Obamacare but they have “Absolutely” no solutions to fix it and the American people aren’t accepting that.

It is the Democrats responsibility as the sole creator of this law to fix it. Since when is it the responsibility of the opposing party to fix each others screw-ups. Some things just can’t be fixed and need to be abolished to start over and this seems to be one of those situations.

If they are referring to the Republicans fixing the insurance industry from what it was before Obamacare I recall many Republican ideas such as selling across state lines, limiting law suits so doctors could afford liability insurance etc.

tej on April 3, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Take the Senate, and then tie a sunset of the risk corridor slush fund to a debt ceiling increase. Obama cannot possibly veto this, and the insurers will flee the exchanges in a New York minute if they know the fun is collapsing.

Get rid of the risk corridors and then we can settle accounts with the prostitute insurers – without going to single payer.

matthew8787 on April 3, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Obama on April Fools Day 2014 :

“Mission Accomplished”

MichaelGabriel on April 3, 2014 at 2:08 PM

I wonder if ObamaCare cover SSRI “psychiatric” drugs like the Army was giving Fort Hood shooter Ivan Lopez, and the VA had been giving Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis, and like the Batman shooter James Holmes had been given?

VorDaj on April 3, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Insurance rates are set by actuaries who are employees of the company. The rates are based on many risk factors and are then approved by CMS for each plan submitted.

Rates must be higher if pre-existing conditions are allowed and free stuff must be provided. That’s not the insurance companies fault that is the fault of the requirements of the law.

I’m not sticking up for insurance companies, but the real blame for higher rates is with Obama and the dims.

Kaffa on April 3, 2014 at 2:09 PM

ObamaCare is now a smashing success. Why? Because “7 million have enrolled” and the sky didn’t fall to the ground. Obama said so…and the news media are going to say so relentlessly in the coming months

I dissent. Everything that goes wrong with the health care system for the next decade can be laid at the Obamacare doorstep – rightly or wrongly, fairly or unfairly. The RATs own the issue.

This what happens when you enact sweeping social legislation on a party-line vote – unlike Medicare, Medicaid, civil rights, voting rights legislation, which commanded broad bipartisan majorities.

The RATS deserve every bit of the Hell they are about to experience.

matthew8787 on April 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Default wave tsunami barreling down hard and fast. The news you’ll never hear from the LSM/MSM.

Here’s to the back room dealing insurers that thought they’d be handed mucho customers…may you squirm long and have a very slow agonizing death, and may your investors share your demise.

PatHenry on April 3, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Meanwhile we have local clinics collapsing, and people with nice crisp Medicaid cards and no doctor to go to.

forest on April 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM

It’s actually worse: even if a Medicaid patient happens to find a non-profit clinic that provides free treatment (these do exist), in order to have a prescription filled, the doctor writing the prescription must be a Medicaid-approved provider. It’s insanity.

Hat Trick on April 3, 2014 at 2:16 PM

And wait till people start trying to fill prescriptions or go to the doctor and find out about the co-pays and deductibles!

PattyJ on April 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Ah, ye olde “quote one republican leaning insurance executive makingna baseless claim with no actual specifics, and pretend he’s speaking widely accepted truths in the insurance industry” routine.

Why do you guys keep listening to these charlatans, even though everything they’ve ever told you or predicted has been wrong?

Why won’t you hold them accountable for their BS?

There will not be any massive premium hikes, because the demographics of the signups has been well within the expectations that the insuarance companies built into their initial prices.

You guys have to stop falling for this crap. They are using you.

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM

You first, que up buddy.

MontanaMmmm on April 3, 2014 at 2:21 PM

If the Federal Government mandates that every Health Insurance policy sold in the US covers everything a person may or may not encounter of course the prices are going to skyrocket.

Insurance companies have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to plan for the worst case scenario and have the funds on hand to cover those potential obligations.

Johnnyreb on April 3, 2014 at 2:22 PM

There will not be any massive premium hikes, because the demographics of the signups has been well within the expectations that the insuarance companies built into their initial prices.

You guys have to stop falling for this crap. They are using you.

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Where the hell did you get this BS from? I’m quite connected to the frontlines of healthcare and insurance and I can tell you that what you have been told is an outright LIE! Right now, the insurance companies are seriously worried about a death spiral. They may be able to put it off for a few years, or try and quit the exchange game altogether, but they know the writing on the wall.

You guys have to stop falling for this crap. They are using you.

dominigan on April 3, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Single-payer is looming. That is the ‘fix’ that the Democrats will offer when premiums go up 15-20% after the 2014 election.

They probably won’t be able to get legislation through since it seems unlikely they will regain control of the House, even if they keep control of the Senate.

But when has the lack of new legislation stopped Obama from changing the ACA to suit his political ideals and goals? I anticipate an Executive Order in early 2015 to ‘fix’ the premiums problem by establishing a new National Health Insurance Agency within the HHS Department, with the charter to implement single-payer across the nation.

s1im on April 3, 2014 at 1:59 PM

When they implement the new Single Payer withholding, me thinks the ground shall be stained, and rivers shall run, red.

PatHenry on April 3, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Huge price increases are inevitable this year, and the Democrats will howl and howl once the numbers are out. It will be amazing to suddenly see how many adeocrats have always been against ObumblesCare.

MTF on April 3, 2014 at 2:27 PM

How many people are now going to pay for a month or two of insurance, get whatever they need done, and then stop paying?

blue13326 on April 3, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Who wouldn’t?
92% of all medical care dollars are spent on only 50% of the people.
49% of all medical care dollars are spent on 5% of the people.
23% of all medical care dollars are spent on 1% of the people.

Most people who are large users tend to remain as large users. Something on the order of 60% of all the 5% remain there for the length of the study. Many of the other 40% died during or after their 5% care.

astonerii on April 3, 2014 at 2:27 PM

As for the second part, “if you like your plan you can keep it.” Except Obama didn’t merely get that wrong; he lied to everyone.

Erich66 on April 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM

And Obama didn’t just lie about it… he was awarded the “LIE of the Year” by Politico! Anyone can lie, but it takes a Demo-RAT to win the award for the all time biggest lie of the year!

dominigan on April 3, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Huge price increases are inevitable this year, and the Democrats will howl and howl once the numbers are out. It will be amazing to suddenly see how many Democrats have always been against ObumblesCare.

MTF on April 3, 2014 at 2:27 PM

How many people are now going to pay for a month or two of insurance, get whatever they need done, and then stop paying?

blue13326 on April 3, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Sort of like when people buy car insurance right before they have to renew their car registration and then not make another payment. Hmmmmm…….

Johnnyreb on April 3, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Sort of like when people buy car insurance right before they have to renew their car registration and then not make another payment. Hmmmmm…….

Johnnyreb on April 3, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Evil people! I thought that the insurance company needed to tell the state if your insurance changes…

astonerii on April 3, 2014 at 2:34 PM

The trap is set.

rvastar on April 3, 2014 at 1:59 PM

“It’s a trap!”

HiJack on April 3, 2014 at 2:41 PM

“It’s a trap!”

HiJack on April 3, 2014 at 2:41 PM

You are too late.

astonerii on April 3, 2014 at 2:41 PM

When they implement the new Single Payer withholding, me thinks the ground shall be stained, and rivers shall run, red.

PatHenry on April 3, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Yes, I agree. Furthermore I just can’t grasp how they can do this considering they can’t even handle 7m of the 300m acting as middle men to the insurance companies.

Lots of folks refer to single payer but if it is what I thought: doctors and staff are all employed by the government and hospitals are owned and/or leased by the government it seems it would be impossible to pull it off in this country. Definitely these current fools in the admin can’t do it but am unsure just who could and who would stand by and let it happen. They would have to do away with the insurance companies all together and that lobby may be bigger than the government itself when combined with other anti-single payer folks.

Maybe it can be done in phases but would seem to be a daunting task requiring generations. I agree Obamacare may be an attempt at the 1st phase but I think this will crumble in the coming year or two and shifting to single payer directly can’t be accomplished.

tej on April 3, 2014 at 2:46 PM

How come 6-8 million people having their health care insurance canceled is a small percentage but 7 million people getting Obama-democrat Care is a huge win?

Answer: it isn’t and if we had a real media it would be known about by the population.

How come $400 billion budget deficit is a big deal and $1400 billion budget deficit is great?

jukin3 on April 3, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Whether or not an insurance company wins or loses depends on whether or not it’s a crony of the marxist government.

crankyoldlady on April 3, 2014 at 3:17 PM

http://thehill.com/opinion/brent-budowsky/202501-brent-budowsky-republicans-blunders

The closest thing to socialism in America in 2014 is a GOP that proposes to use the dominating power of the Republican vision of the federal government to take away the private property of private insurance bought from private companies by individual citizens, after considering competing products in a capitalist system.

Even after the most expensive and aggressive negative TV campaign ever run against a consumer product in the history of capitalism, Republicans refuse to respect the decisions of customers.

Republicans are making the same mistake on ObamaCare that they made during what I called their “Benghazi disease” phase when they turned the House of Representatives into a Republican house of inquisitions with their discredited, taxpayer-financed attempt to wound former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, which left her with landslide leads over all opponents in 2016 polling.

….

The GOP politics of ideology, fanaticism, negativity, overconfidence and overreaching did grave damage to Republicans in 2006, 2008 and 2012, which continues today in their obsession to repeal the Affordable Care Act. The party is trying to force voters to follow dictates from Republicans in Congress who have unfavorable ratings of 80 percent.

During Act I of the ObamaCare drama, Democrats suffered a devastating defeat in the battle of the rollout. During Act II, Democrats won a powerful victory in the battle of enrollments. As attention shifts to Act III, the battle over premiums, a well-executed battle plan could turn a potential Democratic liability into a decisive Democratic advantage.

Democrats are hoping for, and fighting for, the lowest possible premiums for customers. Republicans are hoping for, and campaigning for, the highest premiums and greatest pain for customers.….

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Democrats are hoping for, and fighting for, the lowest possible premiums for customers. Republicans are hoping for, and campaigning for, the highest premiums and greatest pain for customers.….

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM

So why did they pass a bill that bans cheap insurance?

Chuck Schick on April 3, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Census: Since 2008 there’s been no change in % of young people with health coverage

The “3 million on their parents’ insurance” nonsense has been debunked along with the rest of Obama’s phony numbers.

Chuck Schick on April 3, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Democrats are hoping for, and fighting for, the lowest possible premiums for customers. Republicans are hoping for, and campaigning for, the highest premiums and greatest pain for customers.….

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM

D bill passed with nothing but Ds and premiums are skyrocketing. That’s what democrats have fought for, and achieved, you unbelievable turd. And it’s not healthcare; it’s a redistribution scheme which is WHY premiums have no where to go but up.

You people are insufferable.

Erich66 on April 3, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Democrats are hoping for, and fighting for, the lowest possible premiums for customers. Republicans are hoping for, and campaigning for, the highest premiums and greatest pain for customers.….

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM

And by the way, why are democrats fighting for anything? I thought it was game over yesterday…you won and the debate is over, so said your asinine leader.

Erich66 on April 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Obama is just lying as usual.

But he can’t lie about this for long. Premiums are going to shoot up, people are going to find out how little the obamacare plans pay, doctors and hospitals will be turning people with obamacare plans away.

It isn’t going to go away.

The political posturing won’t help much either. The “47%” parasites are always going to vote Democratic if they can be enticed to show up at the polls (or, until we have foolproof IDs, if Democrats send someone to vote for them). But everyone else is going to be screwed badly by obamacare, and they won’t be able to forget it even if they want to.

Adjoran on April 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Quoting deluded opinion pieces doesn’t make you smarter, it marks you as hopelessly deluded also.

Democrats do NOT want to make premiums cheaper. Piling up requirements on health insurance plans make them more expensive. Everyone SHOULD know that. Democrats want to use healthcare to seize more power. This should NOT be a surprise to anyone since it fits with their historic characteristics of wanting to lord over everyone (slavery, segregation, Jim Crowe laws) and wield their power. Democrats do NOT care about the poor… they just use them as vehicles to gain power. Ask yourself, what Democrat plans teach a poor person to rise above poverty?

Republicans know that private plans are more cost efficient and provide more choice than anything the government provides. Private sector plans will ALWAYS be cheaper than government plans without subsidies. (And subsidies are CHEATS using taxpayer money.)

dominigan on April 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Democrats are hoping for, and fighting for, the lowest possible premiums for customers. Republicans are hoping for, and campaigning for, the highest premiums and greatest pain for customers.….

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Now that is funny I don’t care what anyone says. The Democrats say they created Obamacare to reduce the costs by $2500 and my rate grows by over $2500 but they are “hoping” and are “fighting”? I hate to break it to you and your ilk but “Hope” and $10 will get you a crappy cup of coffee at Starbucks. With regards to the “fighting” I’d say its more accurate to be “manipulating” and you left out the “lying”.

Thanks for the laugh though

tej on April 3, 2014 at 4:21 PM

I doubt that we’ll ever see a mandate that is enforced. So, as rates rise, those insured will self-select to being among the oldest and sickest. Healthy people will be less and less inclined to overpay for their coverage.

MJBrutus on April 3, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Rate shocks are coming for years to come. The Democrats wanted it, now they have to deal with it.

rickv404 on April 3, 2014 at 1:31 PM

They really don’t give a crap about rate shocks. The object is to destroy the private health insurance business so nothing is left but socialist single payer.

slickwillie2001 on April 3, 2014 at 5:26 PM

When they implement the new Single Payer withholding, me thinks the ground shall be stained, and rivers shall run, red.

PatHenry on April 3, 2014 at 2:26 PM

You may be right, but I don’t think it will be because of a popular uprising. The blood spilled on the ground and in the waters will simply be all the victims of government-mandated medical malpractice.

If the body count gets big enough, then maybe the citizenry will decide enough is enough. But too many of my fellow Americans are content to let others be victimized as long it is not someone they know or someone in their own family.

I don’t think I’m being cynical. This is simply what I have been observing over the past several years. If some heavy-handed government action causes terrible consequences to someone who is not a celebrity, or politician, or cute kid, then folks just don’t care.

s1im on April 3, 2014 at 7:40 PM

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Still waiting on those demographics.

I’m sure you have them.

Otherwise you’re just some moron talking out your ass.

bigmacdaddy on April 3, 2014 at 7:50 PM

everditso on April 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Still waiting on those demographics.

I’m sure you have them.

Otherwise you’re just some moron talking out your ass.

bigmacdaddy on April 3, 2014 at 7:50 PM

He’s that anyway, demographics or no demographics.

slickwillie2001 on April 3, 2014 at 9:13 PM

everdiso on April 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM

FOAD, lying sack.

S. D. on April 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM

[And, sidebar: Uhm, did insurers not deduce that they would most definitely be "at the center of the political blame game" when they got into this mess?]

Yes and damn them for their part in this.

Theophile on April 4, 2014 at 2:31 AM

He’s that anyway, demographics or no demographics.

slickwillie2001 on April 3, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Wait…what?

You’re not telling me he’s just making §hit up, are you?

I’m shocked. Shocked I say.

/s

bigmacdaddy on April 4, 2014 at 5:35 AM