How did people find out that Mozilla’s CEO donated to support Prop 8?

posted at 7:21 pm on April 3, 2014 by Allahpundit

Rumors are floating around Twitter that proof of Brendan Eich’s donation was illegally leaked by people in government sympathetic to the cause of gay marriage. Not so. I’d forgotten about it, but friends reminded me that the LA Times obtained a list of people who gave, for and against, to the fight over the Prop 8 referendum in 2008. They put the whole database online and made it searchable. Search it today and, sure enough, there’s Eich with a $1,000 donation in favor. Under California law, that disclosure is perfectly legal: The state is authorized to provide certain personal information about anyone who donates more than $100 to a ballot measure. Why the state is allowed to do that, I’m not sure. The reason you want transparency when donating to a candidate is to prevent an elected official, who’s supposed to serve the public interest, from being secretly coopted by huge sums of money provided by a special interest. In a ballot measure, though, the money being spent is designed to influence the public itself. They’re the final arbiter of the public interest, no?

At the very least, if you’re worried about shadowy interests pouring cash into ads to sway a public referendum, the financial threshold to trigger disclosure should be way, way higher than $100. The Prop 8 donor list now functions essentially as a blacklist, and Eich isn’t its first or only victim. Remember, people who gave to Prop 8 have been harassed and had their property vandalized; the Heritage Foundation issued a report chronicling cases of intimidation back in 2009. Either Eich didn’t know the law when he chipped in 10 times the disclosure amount or he assumed that giving to a political cause as a private citizen wouldn’t cause people he worked with for years to force him out of the company upon conviction of a thoughtcrime. Which, by the way, is what this was. Jonathan Last seizes on the significance of Mozilla chair Mitchell Baker admitting that “I never saw any kind of behavior or attitude from him that was not in line with Mozilla’s values of inclusiveness.” If that’s the case, says Last, why exactly was Eich ousted?

So the problem isn’t with how he comported himself. It’s with what he thought

Now that we’re in the realm of thought-crime where Eich loses his job not because of how he behaved, but because he gave money to a cause which is deemed untouchable, let me ask you this: What if Eich hadn’t given $1,000 to support Proposition 8. What if, instead, the tech community simply found out he had voted for it?

By any reasonable chain of logic, voting for Prop. 8 is at least as bad–probably even worse–than merely giving money to support it. A vote for Prop. 8 is an affirmative action taken to directly advance the cause, rather than the indirect advancement of financial support. If Eich was a known Prop. 8 voter, would there have been a similar campaign against him? I can’t think of a reason why not.

If voting to ban gay marriage is grounds for dismissal, wonders Last, wouldn’t/shouldn’t voting against cap-and-trade be grounds? What about voting against tax hikes on the rich? Eich didn’t oppose gays working for Mozilla. He didn’t oppose them donating to pro-gay causes. He didn’t oppose gay employees from getting married. Or so I assume; if he did, his business partner Baker presumably would have mentioned it. He engaged in a private, perfectly legal act of expression, and now he’s out on his ear for it. Even Andrew Sullivan, who’s spent decades championing the cause of gay marriage, is horrified at his ouster.

Ultimately this guy was purged for two reasons. One: Boycotting someone just for holding an opinion is typically reserved for the worst, most outre opinions in society. If Eich had turned out to be a neo-Nazi, no one would have grumbled about Mozilla dumping him. The point of treating him like a Nazi, where a single donation to a single taboo cause constitutes grounds for dismissal, is to place opposition to gay marriage in the pantheon of opinions so terrible you dare not utter them aloud if you value your career. This guy never saw it coming, I’m sure, especially from “friends.” Two: There is, let’s face it, a revenge element in all this. To this day, it’s legal in many jurisdictions to fire someone for being gay. Having spent ages at risk of punishment for their own private, now perfectly legal conduct, some gay-rights activists might be happy to destroy someone like Eich — even though there’s zero evidence that he himself opposes gay rights in any respect save marriage, his definition of which is (presumably) guided by religion. That sort of revanchism is counterproductive since it only builds opposition among people who are otherwise well disposed to their cause, but that’s how it is. Now that they have some political power, they’re going to bloody some noses on the other side. Again, pour encourager les autres.


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…IRS!

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM

And why should it matter if he did!!!! Is this still a free country?

Rovin on April 3, 2014 at 7:25 PM

the LA Times obtained a list of people who gave, for and against, to the fight over the Prop 8 referendum in 2008. They put the whole database online and made it searchable. Search it today and, sure enough, there’s Eich with a $1,000 donation in favor

…5 years ago!…IRS remind somebody?

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Having spent ages at risk of punishment for their own private, now perfectly legal conduct, some gay-rights activists might be happy to destroy someone like Eich

Ah yes the gay martyrs cry for vengeance.

All one billion phony stories.

StubbleSpark on April 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Andrew Sullivan seems to be the only gay activist who isn’t totally unhinged. Sullivan also defended private businesses who did not want to participate in SSM ceremonies.

But for 99% of the left, tolerance is a one way street. We must tolerate all of their beliefs, and they will bully and harass anyone who disagrees with them.

cat_owner on April 3, 2014 at 7:29 PM

And why should it matter if he did!!!! Is this still a free country?

Rovin on April 3, 2014 at 7:25 PM

I think you know the answer to that rhetorical question …

ShainS on April 3, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Is this still a free country?

Rovin on April 3, 2014 at 7:25 PM

I guess it is, as long as you are a leftist, or at least don’t publically disagree with them on anything.

cat_owner on April 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM

The point of treating him like a Nazi,

The Nazis are on the left. I’ll never again vote for a “gay rights” measure. They are too intolerant.

rbj on April 3, 2014 at 7:32 PM

The worst part about this is not Eich. He’s loaded. It’s way it says to your average working person who lives paycheck to paycheck.

Rocks on April 3, 2014 at 7:33 PM

iirc more than just donations were made public, weren’t the initial petition signatures also outed and used to target before the actual vote?
everyone who supported prop8 stood a high chance of having their speech/votes stifled, and we are still seeing the repercussions of those actions.

dmacleo on April 3, 2014 at 7:34 PM

This is disgusting, just disgusting. I have a nephew and niece who are gay and one is married, one is hoping to be when it’s legal. I was at the commitment ceremony of the married one(they later married legally). I love them both with all my heart, but I don’t approve of a union between two gay people being called marriage. I agree they should be able to have the legal rights of a spouse though.

Thinking that I could be fired because of my beliefs in this country is an unbelievably frightening sign of where we are headed. It also reflects extremely badly on the whole movement.

Annielou on April 3, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Organized homosexual bullies may be riding high at the moment but an event will transpire-maybe this one- that will precipitate a major snap back. Do the math folks. You guys are not even a demographic rounding error. When the time comes-soon one hopes- you will be squashed like bugs socially, politically, culturally and financially. The discreet and sensible among you will pay the price as well. Sad for them but so it goes.

Mason on April 3, 2014 at 7:37 PM

But for 99% of the left, tolerance is a one way street.

Not really. It’s not a matter of it being a moral principle, it’s just a tactic, something you can beat the opposition over the head with because they care about such things, then discarded once you’ve gotten your own way because you don’t. Equality, fairness, tolerance, individual rights, justice, it’s all just grist for the liberal mill. What the mill produces is power over others, nothing else matters.

Socratease on April 3, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Sheer unadulterated intimidation.

No Chop Charlie on April 3, 2014 at 7:39 PM

And BTW this is all the result of Hate Crime legislation. There is no reason this crap should exist. It is also thought crime. Crimes don’t suddenly become worse just because the person committing them hated the person while they did it. Hate is a perfectly valid emotion.

Rocks on April 3, 2014 at 7:41 PM

So we are boycotting Mozilla now? I uninstalled it already…

Theworldisnotenough on April 3, 2014 at 7:48 PM

I wonder how many of these same people that were calling forr Eich’s head would be fine if Roman Polanski was hired to make a commercial for Firefox? Probably all of them.

Rocks on April 3, 2014 at 7:48 PM

To this day, it’s legal in many jurisdictions to fire someone for being gay.

Being able to fire someone for any reason at all should be the norm. Adding a special exception for sexual behavior is a ghastly violation of freedom of association and a sign of an overly intrusive government.

Count to 10 on April 3, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Texas also has disclosure laws. However, the thuglovers have used this to get the names of pharmacies who supply drugs for executions and try to put them out of business by threats to the owners, their employees, and their families including their children. Just 2 hours ago, the USSC ruled that they did not have to follow the state disclosure laws. Same thing happened last week in Missouri. So, maybe these disclosure laws should be challenged.

Blake on April 3, 2014 at 7:49 PM

IRS remind somebody?

KOOLAID2 on April 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

From last October:
Marriage group to sue IRS over donor leak, says list went to political enemies

whatcat on April 3, 2014 at 7:50 PM

How does this fit in with the whole No Bullying campaign?

I guess it is OK to bully folks you thiink are bad.

OBQuiet on April 3, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Oh, the hate is strong with the SSM advocates.

Here, in the blue-est of states (WA), a handful of lawyers signed a letter to the Bar Association urging that the Board not take an official stance on SSM in the WA legislature.

Of course, the Board endorsed SSM, the Bar did take an official position in favor. But was that enough for the advocates? No.

The letter signers’ names were leaked to the press, a front-page story followed, and in the comments there and in letters to the Bar, the signers were pilloried. For merely asking their own professional organization, one to which all WA lawyers are required to belong and pay dues, not to assert officially an opinion on one side of such a contested and highly-charged issue.

I was just so disappointed as a WA lawyer myself that so many of my colleagues apparently do not agree with the Supreme Court justice to whom is attributed the saying that the answer to objectionable free speech is not censure, but more free speech.

ugottabekiddingme on April 3, 2014 at 7:55 PM

How does this fit in with the whole No Bullying campaign?

I guess it is OK to bully folks you thiink are bad.

OBQuiet on April 3, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Because the “No Bullying” campaign is all about making it safe for bullies to bully without fear.

Count to 10 on April 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Eich is the reason our side is losing and will keep on losing. Why did he quit in the first place?

His statement to the idiots should have been:

You are more than welcome NOT to use any of the products I worked on and developed, not only Mozilla Firefox browser, but javascript itself, which is used by any and almost any web site including yours. Stop using javascript if your views restrict your use of any products associated with me. As much as I respect your opinion and goals, I have to point out your INTOLERANCE of any view that does not align with yours. Totalitarian regimes of USSR, Nazi Germany, China, Cuba and North Korea all rely and run on this same intolerance that you now display.

riddick on April 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM

And BTW this is all the result of Hate Crime legislation. There is no reason this crap should exist. It is also thought crime. Crimes don’t suddenly become worse just because the person committing them hated the person while they did it. Hate is a perfectly valid emotion.

Rocks on April 3, 2014 at 7:41 PM

2/10

2nd grade level understanding of hate crime.

antisense on April 3, 2014 at 7:59 PM

was illegally leaked by people in government sympathetic to the cause of gay marriage.
============

Me thinks, NSA/NIA should keep there Info Collecting, pointed towards
Roooskie Troop Build-Ups and TerroristGoon Activities, and less towards
bedrooms and bank-account rooms!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on April 3, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Oh,…and in light of the Cuban Twitter,..Team Hopey, is trying
to over-throw every Government,..and domestically,..over-throw
any and all dissent,….to any opposition to the Lefty/ProgTard Agenda(s)!!!

canopfor on April 3, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Good night America.

You are no longer a free land.

Heck, Zimbabwe is freer. It has no mandate.

Quit bragging about the 1st amendment.

Putin figured you all out.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 8:05 PM

obama should quit too.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 8:05 PM

2/10

2nd grade level understanding of hate crime.

antisense on April 3, 2014 at 7:59 PM

What’s to understand. They are making a crime out of something, motive, that they are not even legally required to show in order to get a conviction. Someone is more dead because the killer hated them.

Rocks on April 3, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Until Conservatives learn to fight back with proper boycotts and wealthy conservatives use their money to subvert the left then stuff like this will continue. A bully only understands force…

William Eaton on April 3, 2014 at 8:11 PM

And you need free speech to fight for equality.

The muzzies will chop your heads off, soon enough. You asked for it.

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 8:15 PM

You can bet that very few people in 2014 are fired for being gay. Being gay and making unwanted advances toward coworkers? Sure. I can see that. Gay or straight, that’s a fireable offense. Gay and being a disruption to the workplace? Sure. That too. Same same, gay or straight. So there’s no justification for “revenge”; be it among the gaystapo or anyone else.

What no one wants to say but is entirely true is that this behavior, like that of a large part of the black community, is about reparations. It’s about creating a class of people that are untouchable and handed things in an effort to apologize for past transgressions. The thing is though, the left is just using these folks for their money and their vote. Once they’ve firmly eliminated any opposition threat, the blacks and the gays and the Hispanics and the women and every other little demographic the left has been pigeonholing for decades will become serfs like the rest of us.

BKeyser on April 3, 2014 at 8:15 PM

What’s to understand. They are making a crime out of something, motive, that they are not even legally required to show in order to get a conviction. Someone is more dead because the killer hated them.
Rocks on April 3, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Yup. A “gay” sadistically beating an 90 year old lady to death is a lesser crime than that same old lady shooting the “gay” in self-defense. Her life is of less value – because, thought crime.

whatcat on April 3, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Oh, the hate is strong with the SSM advocates.

Here, in the blue-est of states (WA), a handful of lawyers signed a letter to the Bar Association urging that the Board not take an official stance on SSM in the WA legislature.

Of course, the Board endorsed SSM, the Bar did take an official position in favor. But was that enough for the advocates? No.

The letter signers’ names were leaked to the press, a front-page story followed, and in the comments there and in letters to the Bar, the signers were pilloried. For merely asking their own professional organization, one to which all WA lawyers are required to belong and pay dues, not to assert officially an opinion on one side of such a contested and highly-charged issue.

I was just so disappointed as a WA lawyer myself that so many of my colleagues apparently do not agree with the Supreme Court justice to whom is attributed the saying that the answer to objectionable free speech is not censure, but more free speech.

ugottabekiddingme on April 3, 2014 at 7:55 PM

that is SO sad! your username fits perfectly!!

Sachiko on April 3, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Does Brendan Eich have standing to file a lawsuit against whoever leaked the information about his donation, now that he can show he has been harmed by the release of the information?

Hmmmm…Seems like a lawsuit based on the loss of a high profile tech CEO job could become quite expensive.

wren on April 3, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Never give anyone more than $99 – ever (unless you can do it with anonymous pre-paid debit cards from Georgia – the country – multiple times).

Another Drew on April 3, 2014 at 8:20 PM

The Prop 8 donor list now functions essentially as a blacklist, and Eich isn’t its first or only victim. Remember, people who gave to Prop 8 have been harassed and had their property vandalized; the Heritage Foundation issued a report chronicling cases of intimidation back in 2009.

It’s as un-American as you can get. Makes me ill.

changer1701 on April 3, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Eich was spineless. He should’ve held firm, and fired those Mozilla employees calling for his ouster. Instead he caved. Evil only flourishes when good men stand by and do nothing.

Iblis on April 3, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Interesting use of the word “Nazi” when it is the left (and gays) who have begun to act out their fascist, jackbooted fantasies. But don’t worry. They are just pretend gays. When the muslims take over, they will push a few walls on them and that will be the end of it.

deadite on April 3, 2014 at 8:27 PM

We have a secret ballot for a reason, the same should apply to political contributions, yes, even to candidates. Unless there is reason to believe the money is illegal, stolen to be donated, donated by a foreign entity and such, it should remain anonymous.

astonerii on April 3, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Organized homosexual bullies may be riding high at the moment but an event will transpire-maybe this one- that will precipitate a major snap back. Do the math folks. You guys are not even a demographic rounding error. When the time comes-soon one hopes- you will be squashed like bugs socially, politically, culturally and financially. The discreet and sensible among you will pay the price as well. Sad for them but so it goes.

Mason on April 3, 2014 at 7:37 PM

The problem is that homosexuality is just a cover for all other habits that people feel ashamed of but wont give up. They demand that you bow before the gays because it means you can’t complain about their own lifestyles.

Count to 10 on April 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM

**** the ******* ****** gaystapo.

Murphy9 on April 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM

http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2014/04/mozilla-mo-problems

Why, then, the ruckus? Amazingly enough, it is entirely due to the fact that Eich made a $1,000 donation to the campaign urging a ‘yes’ vote on California’s Proposition 8. When this fact first came to light in 2012, after the Internal Revenue Service leaked a copy of the National Organization for Marriage’s 2008 tax return to a gay-advocacy group, Eich, who was then CTO of Mozilla, published a post on his personal blog stating that his donation was not motivated by any sort of animosity towards gays or lesbians, and challenging those who did not believe this to cite any “incident where I displayed hatred, or ever treated someone less than respectfully because of group affinity or individual identity.”

seems to me this may have started due to this and not the LA times targeting.
I cannot really nail down for sure though so I may be wrong.

dmacleo on April 3, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Eich was spineless. He should’ve held firm, and fired those Mozilla employees calling for his ouster. Instead he caved. Evil only flourishes when good men stand by and do nothing.

Iblis on April 3, 2014 at 8:26 PM

but if the board wanted him gone does he have a choice?
I have no idea how that all works.

dmacleo on April 3, 2014 at 8:46 PM

The problem is that homosexuality is just a cover for all other habits that people feel ashamed of but wont give up. They demand that you bow before the gays because it means you can’t complain about their own lifestyles.

Count to 10 on April 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM

^^^ +1000

I’ll defend your vices if you help me keep my own.

Pless1foEngrish on April 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM

The problem is that homosexuality is just a cover for all other habits that people feel ashamed of but wont give up. They demand that you bow before the gays because it means you can’t complain about their own lifestyles.

Count to 10 on April 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Of course. The left in power are just a bunch of shameless perverted reprobates.

Murphy9 on April 3, 2014 at 8:57 PM

How did people find out that Mozilla’s CEO donated to support Prop 8?

Um…Cal-Access online database of campaign contributors??

Sacramento on April 3, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Doesn’t matter. It served the gay community well and we should be happy that any yard of ground in their desperate, desperate struggle is gained.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Doesn’t matter. It served the gay community well and we should be happy that any yard of ground in their desperate, desperate struggle is gained.

hawkdriver on April 3, 2014 at 9:01 PM

now that is some first class snark :)

dmacleo on April 3, 2014 at 9:07 PM

I believe I’m catching on to why this topic irks so many, because it’s beginning to irk me.

Having spent ages at risk of punishment for their own private, now perfectly legal conduct, some gay-rights activists might be happy to destroy someone like Eich — even though there’s zero evidence that he himself opposes gay rights in any respect save marriage, his definition of which is (presumably) guided by religion.

1. How can Eich be opposed to the rights of gay and lesbian persons to become married persons? There has never been a bar to their marrying.

2. It seems odd to presume a definition based on religion. For example, my “definition” of the word is based on English.

Lolo on April 3, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Can’t express how done I am with the left and their hypocrisies.

Midas on April 3, 2014 at 9:15 PM

So we are boycotting Mozilla now? I uninstalled it already…
Theworldisnotenough on April 3, 2014 at 7:48 PM
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Yep, I bailed out this afternoon.

fabrexe on April 3, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Having spent ages at risk of punishment for their own private, now perfectly legal conduct, some gay-rights activists might be happy to destroy someone like Eich — even though there’s zero evidence that he himself opposes gay rights in any respect save marriage, his definition of which is (presumably) guided by religion. That sort of revanchism is counterproductive since it only builds opposition among people who are otherwise well disposed to their cause, but that’s how it is. Now that they have some political power, they’re going to bloody some noses on the other side. Again, pour encourager les autres.

Is it counterproductive? Intimidation is how they won; what makes anybody think they’ll stop now?

Steve Eggleston on April 3, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Allahpundit: why are you using the phrase “ban gay marriage”? Prop 8 didnt ban anything. It defined legally recognized marital unions. It didnt ban polygamy or living with someone or loving someone or having a wedding or awesome reception or anything whatsoever.

Drunk Report on April 3, 2014 at 9:44 PM

The gay left are among the most vile pieces of shit swirling the bowl of liberalism… that’s why I delight so much when one of ‘em finds out I’m a pro-life, pro-gun, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, anti-illegal immigration, and pro-traditional marriage conservative homo…

dpduq on April 3, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Allahpundit: why are you using the phrase “ban gay marriage”? Prop 8 didnt ban anything.

Drunk Report on April 3, 2014 at 9:44 PM

Because, like all SSM supporters, he is a phrenologist with a trunk load of snake oil.

He believes the lies because he lives them. His personal weakness has become our living nightmare.

Amoral idiot.

StubbleSpark on April 3, 2014 at 9:50 PM

How “Liberal” and “progressive” of them.

KMC1 on April 3, 2014 at 10:05 PM

pour encourager les autres

Wierdest thing, I goggled this phrase and Goggle refused to return a normal search result page, instead I got a CAPTCHA demanding that I confirm my identity, the explanation being “Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network.”

I did the search again in Bing and got a typical results page back.

TheFluke, Goggle?

RushBaby on April 3, 2014 at 10:11 PM

There are alternatives to Mozilla products if anyone wants to take their business elsewhere in protest.

Nomas on April 3, 2014 at 10:14 PM

So we are boycotting Mozilla now? I uninstalled it already…
Theworldisnotenough on April 3, 2014 at 7:48 PM
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Yep, I bailed out this afternoon.

fabrexe on April 3, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Me too. I removed from all my computers and sent a message to Mozilla telling them why.

Kaffa on April 3, 2014 at 10:33 PM

RushBaby on April 3, 2014 at 10:11 PM

https://startpage.com/

is what I use.

INC on April 3, 2014 at 10:34 PM

If I still had Mozilla on my computer, I would uninstall it right now and tell them why.

As it is, I haven’t been able to use Firefox on my operating system for quite some time now, dammit.

I don’t miss it and surely will never miss it now.

Sterling Holobyte on April 3, 2014 at 11:02 PM

So he was fired for a lack of “inclusiveness”? Got it.

Knott Buyinit on April 3, 2014 at 11:46 PM

Boycott Mozilla. We must fight the fascists.

John the Libertarian on April 3, 2014 at 11:47 PM

Again, pour encourager les autres.

Pour what? Does that phrase mean pour encouragement lest you be outed? Speak English man!

Vince on April 4, 2014 at 12:26 AM

BTW. I hope he sues their pants off.

Vince on April 4, 2014 at 12:26 AM

Two: There is, let’s face it, a revenge element in all this. To this day, it’s legal in many jurisdictions to fire someone for being gay. Having spent ages at risk of punishment for their own private, now perfectly legal conduct, some gay-rights activists might be happy to destroy someone like Eich

I guarantee you that the great majority of those calling for his head were not, in any way, fired for being gay.

Skywise on April 4, 2014 at 12:28 AM

Andrew Sullivan seems to be the only gay activist who isn’t totally unhinged.

I wouldn’t go that far… He’s been obsessed with Sarah Palin’s Magical Uterus for 6 or 7 years…

PointnClick on April 4, 2014 at 1:55 AM

If Eich had turned out to be a neo-Nazi, no one would have grumbled about Mozilla dumping him.

…wait, what?

I followed until this incoherent bit.

Both believing in socially destructive undue Jewish influence and desiring to deny to homosexuals the right to choose one’s state-sanctioned partner are detestable positions incompatible with informed liberty in the 21st century.

The real problem here is the “thoughtcrime” bit, not that Eich’s position is an even remotely acceptable position to hold.

You’ve been shilling for the Christian-hate crowd for far too long if you seriously believe the problem here is that it’s homosexuals, and not Jews, that Eich wants to restrict rights from for the negative influence on society of homosexuals enjoying those rights.

Sorry, I don’t have any sympathy for the man. I don’t like the idea of punishing people for how they think, but it turns out the Christian-hate crowd is often crowing about boycotting companies for not being sufficiently committed to outdated tribal theology…it’s just that the Christian-hate crowd is too hypocritical and childish to maintain an effective boycott in the face of temptation to go to Disney movies.

How is this any different than spittle-flecked, obese Sunday-morning finger pointers developing aneurysms about something said on MSNBC and threatening futilely to never by their kids a Disney-related product again? The only difference I see is that the Silicon Valley folks, with their heavy-handed enforcement of their own worldview, are at least ostensibly protecting the very real and very consequential rights of others.

Christians just want everyone to treat their imaginary magic-man as some sort of inviolable deity.

How can you get so outraged when you know damn well ten years ago Christians would have and certainly did gladly use their concerted majority stranglehold on the culture to pressure companies to remove executives who may have been insufficiently deferential to their imagined gods in public?

jaxisaneurophysicist on April 4, 2014 at 3:48 AM

The first question I ask potential debate partners regarding the IRS targeting conservatives (which was stipulated to be occurring) is, “Do you think it is appropriate for the government to use the IRS as apolitical weapon?”

If they think it is, then I stop interacting with them. They are stupid and evil.

Associated with that abuse is the IRS disclosing info (oops . . . what are you going to do about it?) wrt to donors and members of pro-American groups to anti-American groups.

If a ‘rule of law’ leader (GOP maybe) gets into office, he/she needs to throw a lot of IRS employees in the slammer.

ha_tspc on April 4, 2014 at 4:01 AM

jaxisaneurophysicist

Stupid troll is stupid.

Hey troll, how do sleep with the sound of all those people crossing the bridge you live under?

Vancomycin on April 4, 2014 at 7:49 AM

AP, you ask “Why the state is allowed to do that”?

That’s pretty obvious. They have a system of intimidation set up, so they can punish opposition and dissent.

For the Elitists, free speech is only something you have within the walls of own home. If you ever try to actually participate in the public debate, well your screwed.

And make no mistake, that is exactly what a political issue donation is, it is the pooling of resources by citizens so that they can make effective communications to the public.

That’s exactly what the Elitists don’t want.

I used to live in China. Among private citizens, you could hear all manner of complaints about the government. Yet if any of them actually tried to get organized, they were in real danger.

Well, at least in America, you still only lose your job for it…..

damage done on April 4, 2014 at 8:17 AM

jaxisaneurophysicist on April 4, 2014 at 3:48 AM

LOL. you’re a moron.

HumpBot Salvation on April 4, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Andrew Sullivan seems to be the only gay activist who isn’t totally unhinged.

cat_owner on April 3, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Uh, no. Remember that he still hasn’t let go of the whole Trig-isn’t-really-Sarah’s-baby thing. The guy is nuttier that a Payday bar.

GWB on April 4, 2014 at 9:27 AM

This how the left plans their war games. Identify someone who gave money to or works for a conservative cause and then have the affected group start the attack. They attack until the goal of getting this noticed in the news. They win with just the intimidation being noticed or getting the person fired. They want to make future donors think twice before doing so.

Kissmygrits on April 4, 2014 at 9:29 AM

How is this any different than spittle-flecked, obese Sunday-morning finger pointers developing aneurysms about something said on MSNBC and threatening futilely to never by their kids a Disney-related product again?

jaxisaneurophysicist on April 4, 2014 at 3:48 AM

I was actually wondering how your comment was any different from a spittle-flecked diatribe in some backwoods compound where all the folks have shaved heads and wear swastika tattoos?

Christians just want everyone to treat their imaginary magic-man as some sort of inviolable deity.

That would sort of be the point of worshipping Him, yes – treating Him as a deity. Deities generally are inviolable (at least in mono-theistic religions).

Trust me when I tell you that you’re not doing your side any favors with that comment.

GWB on April 4, 2014 at 9:33 AM

How can you get so outraged when you know damn well ten years ago Christians would have and certainly did gladly use their concerted majority stranglehold on the culture to pressure companies to remove executives who may have been insufficiently deferential to their imagined gods in public?

jaxisaneurophysicist on April 4, 2014 at 3:48 AM

Your B.S. is showing. And it is stinking up the place.

How do you think the homosexuals have been allowed to perpetrate THEIR stranglehold on the culture and subvert everything good?! By exploiting Christians’ REAL tolerance!!!

Sterling Holobyte on April 4, 2014 at 9:39 AM

A former gymnast who had previously donated a small sum to prop 8 was supposed to help with the gymnasts getting ready for the current summer Olympics. His donation was splashed all over and he was forced to resign.
I am sick of this, and one wonders who leaked that!
But as they say, they will go after anyone who did donate, and with 0bama in office this information will be accessed

Bambi on April 4, 2014 at 10:00 AM

How can you get so outraged when you know damn well ten years ago Christians would have and certainly did gladly use their concerted majority stranglehold on the culture to pressure companies to remove executives who may have been insufficiently deferential to their imagined gods in public?

jaxisaneurophysicist on April 4, 2014 at 3:48 AM

Oh, I know! I remember well the purges of all the non-Christian CEO’s of companies far and wide. Especially the ones whose public prayers weren’t convincing enough – man, those were the worst!

Except… I can’t remember any of that, no.

You’re apparently so full of shit it’s coming through my computer screen. Please desist.

Midas on April 4, 2014 at 10:03 AM

This is why campaign donations need to remain anonymous. The only time they should be visible is if they were illegal contributions.

We have a secret ballot for a reason. If we do not have the same protections on our contributions the secrecy of our ballot is compromised.

astonerii on April 4, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Organized homosexual bullies may be riding high at the moment but an event will transpire-maybe this one- that will precipitate a major snap back. Do the math folks. You guys are not even a demographic rounding error. When the time comes-soon one hopes- you will be squashed like bugs socially, politically, culturally and financially. The discreet and sensible among you will pay the price as well. Sad for them but so it goes. Mason on April 3, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Just so everyone notices, the latter category would be a portion of a rounding error.

Akzed on April 4, 2014 at 10:05 AM

jaxisaneurophysicist on April 4, 2014 at 3:48 AM

No one here believes you made it through grade school. Your opinion is worthless.

astonerii on April 4, 2014 at 10:06 AM

So the problem isn’t with how he comported himself. It’s with what he thought…

Makes my blood run cold.

kozanne on April 4, 2014 at 10:11 AM

How is this any different than spittle-flecked, obese Sunday-morning finger pointers developing aneurysms about something said on MSNBC and threatening futilely to never by their kids a Disney-related product again?

jaxisaneurophysicist on April 4, 2014 at 3:48 AM

You should wipe the foam off your mouth. You look and sound like those you rail against. I wasn’t even able to follow that grammatically tortured rant.

FYI… we tend to hold our trolls to a higher standard around here. If you intend to engage in intelligent discourse, I suggest complete sentences and something resembling a coherent thought.

dominigan on April 4, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Having spent ages at risk of punishment for their own private, now perfectly legal conduct, some gay-rights activists might be happy to destroy someone like Eich — even though there’s zero evidence that he himself opposes gay rights in any respect save marriage, his definition of which is (presumably) guided by religion.

This is like targeting someone because his/her great, great, great, grandfather owned slaves even though you and your ancestors have been free for 150 years.

davidk on April 4, 2014 at 10:16 AM

jaxisaneurophysicist on April 4, 2014 at 3:48 AM

What’s your problem buddy? Run out of preparation H?

cornbred on April 4, 2014 at 10:16 AM

FYI… we tend to hold our trolls to a higher standard around here. If you intend to engage in intelligent discourse, I suggest complete sentences and something resembling a coherent thought.

dominigan on April 4, 2014 at 10:15 AM

He’s a neurophysicist. The only English class he’s had is Comp. 101.

Well, probably Comp. 50, too.

davidk on April 4, 2014 at 10:19 AM

This level of scorched earth policy reminds me of the exchange between Ender and Graff at the end of the Ender’s Game film (which I do not endorse the way the film characterized their relationship at this point, but it makes for a good object lesson in this context) (also, spoilers, in case you’ve managed not to read the book OR see the movie and STILL don’t want to know the shocking twist):

“WE… WON!!! That’s all that matters!”
“No. The way we win matters.”

Advocates are willing to sacrifice all and cast aside moral niceties in order to accomplish this most important of goals, only unlike the movie, a constitutional amendment regarding gay marriage in a single state does not amount to the survival or extinction of the human race. In fact, ironically, it addresses one of the aspects of society in which the perpetuation of the species is a physical impossibility.

The Schaef on April 4, 2014 at 10:19 AM

This has been in the making for years. And any of you that thought it was the loving Christian thing to do was to vote and allow this thing called gay marriage, shame on you. You should be caring about their eternal soul, that is the loving thing to do. Keep allowing yourselves to be dumbed down by Hollywood, the media and any bleeding heart liberal that comes along with a cause. The dumbing down of America. Where a man with no resume and empty promises gets elected to President. Race baiters that stoke the fires of hatred and allow their people to be held down by the very people claiming to care. America, woe to you America. You have allowed God to be kicked out of every nook and cranny. Woe to you church in America. You did not defend me. This is what you get.

crosshugger on April 4, 2014 at 10:25 AM

HumpBot Salvation on April 4, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Hey, come on now. There’s no need to insult morons.

S. D. on April 4, 2014 at 10:26 AM

but if the board wanted him gone does he have a choice?
I have no idea how that all works.

dmacleo on April 3, 2014 at 8:46 PM

And that is where it could have gotten really interesting. Is it still illegal to fire someone for religious beliefs? Religion has traditionally been a protected category too. If the board had removed him, could he have sued for violation of his religious rights (assuming he could claim his religion forms the basis for his beliefs about marriage)?

He wasn’t in the position long enough for the board to claim incompetence.

CJ on April 4, 2014 at 10:26 AM

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