Harry Reid’s Senate website: The Koch brothers might not be paying any corporate taxes, you know

posted at 6:01 pm on April 2, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via John McCormack of the Standard, who reminds us that this isn’t the first time Reid has idly accused a major player on the right of tax-dodging. The difference between this time and last time: When he smeared Romney, he did it in a private interview with HuffPo. His smear of the Kochs is being hosted on his official Senate website — on a webpage devoted exclusively to attacking them.

Dude, this is real.

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Among the “facts” listed on the site is this one, which is lifted from a slideshow at Forbes:

“They are known for bankrolling conservative, Libertarian and Tea Party causes and became poster boys for corporate tax reform last year when an Obama Administration official suggested Koch is organized as an S Corp. and so pays no corporate level taxes.”

That last bit, as McCormack notes, is a reference to an offhand remark once made years ago by Obama econ advisor Austan Goolsbee, who suggested in a conference call that Koch Industries was organized in a way that would exempt it from paying corporate tax. The Kochs’ chief counsel disputed that; Robert Gibbs was eventually forced to walk it back; Goolsbee himself disowned the remark last year, claiming that he had confused Koch Industries with a different company owned by a different Koch brother after a Treasury investigation was launched to determine whether he had gotten his information by improperly accessing IRS info on the Kochs. (The results of the investigation are … secret.) All of which is to say that this smear was debunked long ago. If Reid’s team is still pushing it, it’s not because they don’t know it’s false. It’s because they don’t care. Which, in fact, makes it very much like his smear regarding Romney’s taxes.

Your homework assignment is this Mark Hemingway piece from last week comparing how, and how much, the Kochs spend on political advocacy to how Reid’s friends in labor spend it. To answer Ed’s question earlier about whether “Kochsteria” among Democrats is effective, I actually think it is — not for the party generally, which will suffer this fall no matter how many times this old man yells at this particular cloud, but for people like Reid who’ve taken the lead on it. Koch-bashing is Reid’s way of building goodwill with progressive chumps who eat this demagoguery up ahead of his reelection bid in 2016. He faces a tough race potentially against Brian Sandoval; he’ll need lots of money from the base, so he’s decided to start stroking their political erogenous zones often and early. It won’t save the Senate for Democrats but it might save Reid’s seat eventually.


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The senatorial mortician will meet his hell.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Harry, focus on this, you oaf.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Wow, where have we heard this before? Too bad the stroke didn’t take this asswagon.

john1schn on April 2, 2014 at 6:06 PM

How is Harry Reid able to comment on how much specific Americans pay in taxes? Is he able to tap into the Lois Lerner IRS stasi?

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 6:07 PM

OT-

Oh my! Shooting at Fort Hood.

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Should add- prayers for the Fort Hood community.

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 6:09 PM

It won’t save the Senate for Democrats but it might save Reid’s seat eventually.

And it will, at which point, all focus for survival should be toward the states, because the federal government will truly be unchangeable. Article V or national divorce, and nothing less.

nobar on April 2, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Go to hell Reid. Take barry with you.

TX-96 on April 2, 2014 at 6:11 PM

I think I heard on some radio show, might have Rush’s, that Reid can’t be sued for libel for things he says on the senate floor. Can anyone speak to whether or not he enjoys some level of immunity while spewing lies and vague accusations from the podium?

Capricio on April 2, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Harry Reid is doing the shooting at fort hood. Prove me wrong. Has just as much credibility as what he spews.

cat-scratch on April 2, 2014 at 6:12 PM

I heard from a source that Harry Reid raped all five of his children when they were minors. Just like that du Pont guy, Reid never had to serve any time for it.

jaime on April 2, 2014 at 6:12 PM

How come no one talks about GE making billions in profits and not paying taxes while Obama’s job guy is Jeff Immelt the head of GE and they sent thousands of jobs to China?

deimos on April 2, 2014 at 6:13 PM

The beat goes on. How in the world does this asswipe get away with this crapola? Are the alleged voters in Nevada this freekin’ stupid? The Reid Room in Hell is being heated at this very moment, ready to go at full blast as soon as this schmuck trips over his nose and breaks his neck.

vnvet on April 2, 2014 at 6:13 PM

This amoral ahole needs to go pronto.

Murphy9 on April 2, 2014 at 6:13 PM

It’s not Reid’s fault. He has a severe case of Koch derangement syndrome.

cat_owner on April 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM

There is no truth to the rumor that Harry Reid is a pedophile.

Techster64 on April 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Harry Reid’s targets: Guilty until proven innocent.

Then again, Nevada’s Republicans are partly to blame. If they had nominated a better candidate than Sharon Angle, the rest of the country wouldn’t have to put up with this smear merchant any more.

We’ll probably never ban booze in Las Vegas, but what’s important is getting Dirty Harry out of the Senate.

Steve Z on April 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Sniveling little pipsqueak, he could care less if his smears are legit or not…once it’s out there the progressive will lap it up and spread it far and wide. One of the best things that could happen to this country is for him to lose his next bid for reelection and slither back under the rock he slithered out from under.

scalleywag on April 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Well, I heard on good authority, from trusted sources, with inside knowledge, that Harry Reid is a confirmed pedophile, and has bought off numerous victims’ families.

Harry Reid makes Michael Jackson’s indiscretions look tame.

His disease is well known throughout DC and Nevada.

elowe on April 2, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Enemy of the state.

Would not bother me a bit to … .

I took an oath to defend the Constitution.

davidk on April 2, 2014 at 6:17 PM

we gotta lose this Reid guy…

affenhauer on April 2, 2014 at 6:18 PM

NO corporation actually pays taxes! Which is why it’s the biggest scam there is.

100% of all taxes corporations pay is either passed on to their customers in higher prices or transferred to their employees in the form of lower wages.

Because of this the effort to collect, file, assess corporate taxes is 100% WASTE in government (and the private sector).

ConstantineXI on April 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Seriously, today – someone sue this motherf*cker for slander/libel, have him committed – get on the floor of the Senate *yourself* and call him a deranged f*cking lunatic. This cannot stand.

Midas on April 2, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Has Harry Reid EVER answered the charges of child molestation that have been rumored about him?

I’ve heard he might be guilty of that.

ConstantineXI on April 2, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Romney was hog-tied to do anything about Reids’ accusation about him.

On the other hand, the Koch Bros. are billionaires, and stand to lose nothing by suing Reid for defamation.

BobMbx on April 2, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Wow I think he is crazy now how could he not be?

sorrowen on April 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Seriously, today – someone sue this motherf*cker for slander/libel, have him committed – get on the floor of the Senate *yourself* and call him a deranged f*cking lunatic. This cannot stand.

Midas on April 2, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Congress actually has more rights than WE DO insofar as free speech is concerned: they are even exempt from slander if the slander is committed from the floor.

ConstantineXI on April 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM

His schtick is getting really old. Even LIVs & libs must feel that way, too.

KS Rex on April 2, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Congress actually has more rights than WE DO insofar as free speech is concerned: they are even exempt from slander if the slander is committed from the floor.

ConstantineXI on April 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM

My guess is the archaic rule about immunity while on the floor does not extend to a website. Unless the web server is physically located in the Capitol, which it isn’t, the “speech” is not occurring “on the floor”.

BobMbx on April 2, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Harry Reid’s Senate website: The Koch brothers might not be paying any corporate taxes, you know

The Koch brothers website: Syphilis may be dynastic in the Reid family tree, you know

RushBaby on April 2, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Hey, the Koch brothers are tax evaders, just like Romney! Thanks for the heads up, Harry, we can always rely on you for accurate information.

Separate note. Yes, I believe anything said on the floor is protected, but as taxpayers, we are paying for this website, and should be able to request it avoid making false accusations. As the Kochs are public figures, they would have to show actual malice to win a libel sut. Reid has been so spectacularly vile, they actually might be able to do it, but it would be expensive. It might also be difficult for them to show damages, although this does attack their business reputation, and in some systems this would not require a show of damages. I don’t know if they would think it was worth it.

If I were them, I might have a lawyer draft a letter requesting a correction before I did anything else.

talkingpoints on April 2, 2014 at 6:26 PM

when an Obama Administration official suggested Koch is organized as an S Corp. and so pays no corporate level taxes.”

If the government passes a law that allows a corporation to organize in such a way that it can make a lot of money and not pay taxes, who is at fault, the corporation or the politicians who created and passed the law?

Grammar Nazi on April 2, 2014 at 6:29 PM

My guess is the archaic rule about immunity while on the floor does not extend to a website. Unless the web server is physically located in the Capitol, which it isn’t, the “speech” is not occurring “on the floor”.

BobMbx on April 2, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Good point. Then the Kochs can sue him for Libel then.

And they should. There is definitely enough money worth going after there, Stoplight Harry might have entered the Senate of modest means, but he has Algore type wealth now…

ConstantineXI on April 2, 2014 at 6:29 PM

This genuine reprobate has called out private citizens time and time again. Harry Reid is unfit for this level of responsibility.

Murphy9 on April 2, 2014 at 6:34 PM

This is becoming so tedious. It’s a shame there are so many stupid people that actually buy this nonsense.

kim roy on April 2, 2014 at 6:34 PM

I thought Harry was incarcerated for molesting little boys? When was he let out of maximum security prison?

trs on April 2, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Why do we let the Senate Majority leader lie? If he had evidence, he would produce it. The man reminds a person of a sniveling weasel.

oldennis on April 2, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Good point. Then the Kochs can sue him for Libel then.

And they should. There is definitely enough money worth going after there, Stoplight Harry might have entered the Senate of modest means, but he has Algore type wealth now…

ConstantineXI on April 2, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Trouble with that is that they would have to prove they did pay taxes, thus revealing their tax returns. This is what Reid was trying to get with Romney, but Romney didn’t bite.

Reid is more likely trying to frighten off other big conservative donors.

Wethal on April 2, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Harry’s not with it, corporations don’t pay taxes, the stock holders pay taxes.

mixplix on April 2, 2014 at 6:38 PM

The left just goes nuts at the mention of these guys. I really hope we aren’t this gullible. They are so pavlovian in there response to the demons the leadership/media creates. They fall for it every time regardless of whom it is.

They are scared about the election so they deflect.

tomas on April 2, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Like all gossips Harry Reid goes by the simple credo that if one wishes to smear a person’s name among those of low intellect, all one need do is sayit… there’s no need to offer proof to a moron.

thatsafactjack on April 2, 2014 at 6:38 PM

The Speech or Debate Clause is a clause in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 6, Clause 1). The clause states that members of both Houses of Congress

…shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony, and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

Case on point:

On August 6, 2006, Marine Corps Staff Sergeant Frank D. Wuterich, who led a squad of Marines into Haditha, Iraq that killed 24 civilians, filed suit for libel and invasion of privacy. Wuterich claims that Congressman John Murtha’s comments at a news conference on May 17, 2006 and, in subsequent television interviews, tarnished the Marines’ reputation and constituted an invasion of privacy.

A federal judge ruled on September 28, 2007 that Murtha must testify at the Haditha defamation case. Commentators have expressed concern that Murtha was acting as lawmaker and was therefore protected by the Speech or Debate Clause. Murtha, the Justice Department, and the House’s General Counsel never filed an appeal. In 2009, an appellate court dismissed the case citing Mr Murtha’s role as a lawmaker. The appellate court dismissed Mr Murtha from the case pursuant to the Westfall act which immunizes Federal employees for official acts

jaime on April 2, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Harry Reid’s Koch habit is worse than anyone could have imagined.

Mark Boabaca on April 2, 2014 at 6:43 PM

When a member of Congress – or the President for that matter – call out a private, *individual* for scorn, ridicule and anger, it’s not like an ordinary citizen doing this – this is a member of Congress.

First, it just seems like poor form.

Second, I’m reminded of this little ditty:

Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech

So while not technically a “law”, doesn’t this have the same effect of possibly squelching freedom of speech?

Lance Corvette on April 2, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Harry’s demented obsession is growing more tiresome by the day. This dementia sufferer is the best the Dems have? Wow.

Whitey Ford on April 2, 2014 at 6:44 PM

I think Reid’s Koch Addiction is because he has failed to yet address the fact that he is an alleged pederast.

Been years and Reid has yet to deny it.

ProfShadow on April 2, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Did they learn how to avoid taxes from Jeffery Immelt?

Sven on April 2, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Will someone in the Republican Party call for this old fool to apologize? He did the same thing to Romney.

oldennis on April 2, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Harry seems to have a thing for Koch. Does his wife know?

john1schn on April 2, 2014 at 6:51 PM

And it is against the law to sue Senators???

albill on April 2, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Seeing as Dirty Harry wasn’t ‘speaking from the floor of the senate’, sounds like it’s time to get lawyers involved regarding DEFAMATION.

Does Harry have the money to back up his big mouth?

GarandFan on April 2, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Here’s what I believe. If the Koch’s have so much money why don’t they hire some private detectives and find out the truth about Harry Reid’s money. I would love to see an expose about Reid and how a politician gets that rich.

bflat879 on April 2, 2014 at 6:53 PM

There is no truth to the rumor that Harry Reid is a pedophile.

Techster64 on April 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM

That’s odd…because when you google “harry reid/pedophile”, there are about 105,000 results.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire, you know. (and that’s a hella lot of smoke)

Solaratov on April 2, 2014 at 6:53 PM

It’s way past time for Harry to go away. Far, far, away.

Wendya on April 2, 2014 at 6:54 PM

…he’s unhinged!

KOOLAID2 on April 2, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Harry seems to have a thing for Koch. Does his wife know?

john1schn on April 2, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Does he even know if he has a wife?

Sven on April 2, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Harry Reid – Senate Majority Leader of OWS.

Ruckus_Tom on April 2, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Congress actually has more rights than WE DO insofar as free speech is concerned: they are even exempt from slander if the slander is committed from the floor.

ConstantineXI on April 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM

However, a post on a website is NOT speech from the floor. As such, it’s probably not immune – and dingy harry may have stepped on his own dick this time.

Solaratov on April 2, 2014 at 7:00 PM

I don’t think it’s a smear to say someone doesn’t pay corporate tax. My company is an S Corp and pays no corporate tax, but I pay a LOT of income tax personally.

Deranged Pederast Harry Reid’s LIe of the Day should be a regular feature.

LASue on April 2, 2014 at 7:01 PM

If the brothers are so evil and he has so much evidence, why does he not ask AG Holder to investigate them? If I were in the Kochs’ shoes though, I would offer a libel lawsuit. Just because he is a Senator it does not allow him to smear private citizens just because they are rich and one disagrees with them.

ojfltx on April 2, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Obama Administration official suggested Koch is organized as an S Corp. and so pays no corporate level taxes.”

S-Corps in fact do not pay income taxes. That’s the way the law is written.

S-Corps do however pass their earnings or losses directly to their shareholders who then have to claim them on their personal tax return. For folks in the Koch’s tax bracket, those earnings are most likely taxed at a much higher tax rate than the statutory corporate rate.

No earnings, from any source are tax free Harry.

BacaDog on April 2, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Harry seems to have a thing for Koch. Does his wife know?

john1schn on April 2, 2014 at 6:51 PM

I will pitch in for the ointment to treat the burn…

ojfltx on April 2, 2014 at 7:09 PM

Does Harry have the money to back up his big mouth?

GarandFan on April 2, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Yes, thanks to decades of enriching himself misusing his office.

ConstantineXI on April 2, 2014 at 7:09 PM

Harry Reid raped me.

dmacleo on April 2, 2014 at 7:10 PM

No earnings, from any source are tax free Harry.

BacaDog on April 2, 2014 at 7:08 PM

Except welfare and food stamp benefits…

ConstantineXI on April 2, 2014 at 7:10 PM

I think I heard on some radio show, might have Rush’s, that Reid can’t be sued for libel for things he says on the senate floor. Can anyone speak to whether or not he enjoys some level of immunity while spewing lies and vague accusations from the podium?

Capricio

Maybe not on the senate floor. However, his website, which is owned by the government, that would be another matter.

Zaggs on April 2, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Harry Reid is the poster child for senile dementia.

myiq2xu on April 2, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Harry Reid demonstrates the worst of all political traits. He lies to smear others and cheats to benefit himself. May the devil himself welcome Harry into hell

jaywemm on April 2, 2014 at 7:24 PM

My pappy told me that old pederasts lie. That old pederasts will lie all the time.

Now I’m just an engineer earning an honest living but a question for the lawyers on board. I thought the accused pederast Harry Reid got away with the smear of Romney and all of the poor American citizens that have their lives destroyed by Obama-democrat Care, could get away with that because the old pederast Reid was on the senate floor. This sure looks like it leaves him open for litigation.

jukin3 on April 2, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Note to socialists: Get rid of Dingy Harry. He’s making you look bad. Not that it’s necessary to make the rest of you look bad.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 7:38 PM

There is no truth to the rumor that Harry Reid is a pedophile.

Techster64 on April 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM

A very reliable source told me that he is a pedophile, though. Sorry, I can’t divulge my sources.

The Rogue Tomato on April 2, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Hope dingy keeps this up. The Kochs must be loving this.

Erich66 on April 2, 2014 at 7:40 PM

I swear, I think Harry Reid has passed Alan Grayscum as #1 wackadoodle!!

Poor Debbie Downer, she has now been bumped to #3…

ladyingray on April 2, 2014 at 7:56 PM

The Wall Street Journal has an article with Charles Koch. Hard to believe a US Senator has chosen to demonize these guys:

“….Koch companies employ 60,000 Americans, who make many thousands of products that Americans want and need. According to government figures, our employees and the 143,000 additional American jobs they support generate nearly $11.7 billion in compensation and benefits. About one-third of our U.S.-based employees are union members.
Koch employees have earned well over 700 awards for environmental, health and safety excellence since 2009, many of them from the Environmental Protection Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration. EPA officials have commended us for our “commitment to a cleaner environment” and called us “a model for other companies.”
Our refineries have consistently ranked among the best in the nation for low per-barrel emissions. In 2012, our Total Case Incident Rate (an important safety measure) was 67% better than a Bureau of Labor Statistics average for peer industries. Even so, we have never rested on our laurels. We believe there is always room for innovation and improvement.
Koch Industries was the only major producer in the ethanol industry to argue for the demise of the ethanol tax credit in 2011. That government handout (which cost taxpayers billions) needlessly drove up food and fuel prices as well as other costs for consumers—many of whom were poor or otherwise disadvantaged. Now the mandate needs to go, so that consumers and the marketplace are the ones who decide the future of ethanol….”

tej on April 2, 2014 at 8:08 PM

The Searchlight Strangler strikes again!

arik1969 on April 2, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Aside from raping handicapped children, Harry Reid s a pretty good guy

TexasJew on April 2, 2014 at 8:14 PM

This ought to be prima facie evidence of senility endangering the republic. Institutionalize him (for extensive mental tests, of course).

ExpressoBold on April 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM

The Kochs must have hired Romney’s CPA – ya know, he didn’t pay taxes for years…according to the Reid Rumor Report.

btw, Reid ain’t doing this mental patient gig for national coverage – he is seriously worried about challenges in Nevada in 2016, so he’s planting seeds for the hardcore Dem base and their wallets. Harry wants to keep his job in WashDC, whether or not he’s in charge of the Senate.

DublOh7 on April 2, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Harry has so pver done it with the Koch brothers that he has become a parody of himself. I am quite certain the Koch brothers are laughing at him just like the rest of America is.

Ellis on April 2, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Except welfare and food stamp benefits…

ConstantineXI on April 2, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Those are not “earnings.”

AZCoyote on April 2, 2014 at 8:51 PM

There’s two kinds of libel, and with libel per se the victim doesn’t have to show damages. Per se involves things such as stating that Pary X has committed a crime.

IANAL, but if any of the tax issues Harry’s website is claiming the Koch’s are guilty of is actually illegal, then I believe they could go after him pro se, and not have to worry about whether they can prove damages, assuming they were to think taking him to court was worth it.

LibraryGryffon on April 2, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Trouble with that is that they would have to prove they did pay taxes, thus revealing their tax returns. This is what Reid was trying to get with Romney, but Romney didn’t bite.

Wethal on April 2, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Get a certified statement from the IRS that says “All taxes due have been paid”.

BobMbx on April 2, 2014 at 9:03 PM

First, demand that all of Reid’s contributors reveal how much they’ve benefited from tax benefits he helped get passed. This man is a corrupt hypocrite.

flataffect on April 3, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Aside from raping handicapped children, Harry Reid s a pretty good guy

TexasJew on April 2, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Everyone has their little peccadilloes.

Solaratov on April 3, 2014 at 12:17 AM

Excellent

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 12:38 AM

I’m becoming more and more convinced Harry Reid is suffering from dementia.

sadatoni on April 3, 2014 at 7:24 AM

So, can we officially add Slander and Defamation to the list of Harry Reid’s crimes? Right next to illegal land deals.

RandallinHerndon on April 3, 2014 at 7:45 AM

No corporate taxes hah? OH, you mean like GENERAL ELECTRIC!!!

Mr. Grump on April 3, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Dingy Harry is not the only one with the “Koch brothers obsession”, Upchuck Schumer has joined the bandwagon. But I’ll bet that the Koch brothers are not financing their granddaughters endeavors with campaign funds.

savage24 on April 3, 2014 at 10:16 AM

So, how much bidding is Milquetoast Harry doing for Barry et al. Anyone know if the Kochs have any big interests in Nevada? Would be wonderful if they started flexing them.

OCULUS on April 3, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Considering how non stop the democratic party is on attacking the koch brothers for DARING to exercise their first amendment rights.

And every time dem politians demononize someone the IRS “spontanously” audits and attacks them

considering all this, NO DEM POLITICAL HACK OR IRS AGENT has found the Koch brothers have done anything wrong.

sniffles1999 on April 3, 2014 at 11:25 AM

seems the only ones who benefit from harry reid legislation are harry reid relatives

sniffles1999 on April 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM

When Joe McCarthy did this, they called it McCarthyism.

What is an unsubstantiated smear perpetrated by Harry Reid?

(I know, I know, Joe McCarthy was right about hundreds of Communists and fellow-travelers employed by the federal government, and Harry Reid is simply a bald-faced liar.)

J Baustian on April 3, 2014 at 1:09 PM