Breaking: Another shooting at Fort Hood; Update: CNN says one shooter dead; Update: NBC says base confirms only one shooter

posted at 6:12 pm on April 2, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Fort Hood has gone into lockdown mode, with orders to “shelter in place,” as reports of another shooting come into newsrooms. Details are sketchy, but there are reports of some soldiers being shot (via Jim Hoft):

kcentv.com – KCEN HD – Waco, Temple, and Killeen

We have reports of an active shooter on Fort Hood. We have reports that there are several injuries from this shooting. There is at least one patient being transported to the hospital. We are also getting reports of victims in the Battle Simulation Center on 65th and Warehouse. The suspect is still at large. The shooter was said to be in building 33026 which is the Medical Brigade Building.

Don’t take any of these details as confirmed yet. If we’ve learned anything over the years, it’s that the first reports from this kind of crisis usually end up either entirely wrong or exaggerated. The lockdown has been confirmed, according to KCEN, by the Facebook page of Fort Hood. They have confirmed that much with CNN, too. CNN now has a report up too:

There is an active shooter at the sprawling central Texas base of Fort Hood, a source at Fort Hood told CNN on Wednesday. The situation is serious and sirens are going off, said the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. … “They got some kind of shooting incident going on. They haven’t told us anything. It was on post and being handled by the military. Fort Hood has not asked for any assistance,” said Lt. Donnie Adams with the Bell County Sheriff’s Office.

Four and a half years ago, Major Nidal Hassan killed 14 people in a lone-wolf terrorist attack on Fort Hood. So far, we have no indication that this is anything similar.

Update: KAKE reports that there is one person dead and several others injured, but again, be prepared for that to change later.

Update: KBTX reports that Ft. Hood confirmed one death:

At least one person is dead after a shooting late Wednesday afternoon on Fort Hood, a post spokesman confirmed. Others were injured in the shooting, but the spokesman didn’t say how many. The gunman is still at large and the spokesman said the incident is being treated as an active-shooter situation.

Update: The FBI announced yesterday that they were tracking a recent Army recruit who threatened a “Fort Hood-inspired jihad against US soldiers:

Federal officials are on the hunt for a recent Army recruit who was reportedly plotting a “Fort Hood-inspired jihad against U.S. soldiers.” News of the recruit’s evil intentions emerged after the FBI’s Kansas City division sent out an alert which was then distributed to the U.S. Marine Corps. The alert allegedly identified the man as Muhammad Abdullah Hassan, also known as “Booker.” The document was then distributed to Kansas City Police and to members of the U.S. Marine Corps to “ inform and protect officers who may encounter this individual or others exhibiting the same aspirations,” Fox reports.

The NYDN reports that the focus of that investigation was in Kansas, not Texas, and so far there isn’t any specific indication that this is connected to that threat. At least, not yet.

Update: Local CBS affiliate KWTX reports that one person has been confirmed killed in this incident, and that as many as 15 others may have been wounded. KCEN is also reporting that one person may be in custody and there may be a second suspect, but we’ve seen that in other incidents just to discover that only one shooter was involved.

Update: NBC has a report from Jim Miklaszewski on the possible number of suspects, but notes that the injuries may only be eight people:

We’ll see how this holds up.

Update: CNN says one shooter is confirmed dead:

That may be the one that was earlier reported as “in custody,” though — so if there’s another, they may still be looking for him or her.

Update: Curiously, the man whom the FBI thinks might be a copycat wannabe is in a mental hospital at the moment — and has been since last month, according to Rusty Shackleford:

John Thomas Booker, 19, of Topeka, Kan. enlisted in the Army in February and was due to report for basic training on April 7. But the FBI interviewed him in March and alerted the Army, which formally discharged him last week. He is now in an undisclosed mental health facility, sources told FoxNews.com.

Perhaps they are concerned that he recruited others, but it’s another reason to think that the two stories are not linked.

Update: NBC now reports that base officials say only one shooter is involved:

Again, keep an open mind on that point.

Update (Erika): The Associated Press corroborates the reports that the shooter is dead:

Update: Fox News is suggesting that this is a “soldier on soldier” incident:

A shooting at Ft. Hood that reportedly left three injured Wednesday was a “soldier on soldier” incident without any terrorism link, a senior Department of Homeland Security source told FoxNews.com. The source, who stressed the information was preliminary, added that there was “currently no [counter terrorism] nexus” and said it appears the shooter “killed himself and three soldiers were wounded.” But there were conflicting reports on how many shooters may have been involved, and what happened in the incident. A senior law enforcement official told Fox News that it is believed one shooter has been “neutralized,” and authorities believe there may be another shooter in the vicinity.

Update: Both Fox and CNN are reporting that four people, including the shooter, are confirmed dead:

Update: Multiple outlets are reporting that we have an identity, but I’d take it cautiously:

 


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When the going gets tough, Obama goes fundraisin’.

BuckeyeSam on April 2, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Hmmm…and you would rather have him actually govern? Frankly the more he is out of Washington, playing with his putter, and going on groupie tours means there is less time for him the mess this country up while in Washington incompletely doing his job.

William Eaton on April 2, 2014 at 9:12 PM

NBC’s Brian William’s reporting the shooting started because of an argument between 2 soldiers.

Well, at least they’re not blaming it on a YouTube video./

Flora Duh on April 2, 2014 at 9:12 PM

This no doubt is to prevent the Military from taking the civilian side should a military putsch take place in the United States.

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Actually it’s called the Posse Comitatus Act.

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Wrong – that’s ABC patented M.O. – CNN is more likely to have a medium on to interview the dead shooter.
whatcat on April 2, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Or maybe they’ll use some GI Joe action figures to reenact the situation.

Nutstuyu on April 2, 2014 at 9:14 PM

The Multi Culti Military… This likely will become more and more common in our military as the Republicans abandon the base and begin embracing the multiculturalism of the left and force it upon people who have no way to avoid cultural actions of others they find repulsive and in fact will be forced to not only tolerate but be supportive of those actions they find repulsive.

astonerii on April 2, 2014 at 9:15 PM

“At least four people were killed and 14 injured in a shooting Wednesday at Fort Hood, the same base that was the scene of the worst attack on a domestic U.S. military installation five years ago, a congressman confirmed.

U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas confirmed the deaths to CNN and said the shooter, a soldier, was among the dead.

A U.S. law enforcement official told The Associated Press that the suspected gunman is dead of what appears to be a self-inflicted wound. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is still ongoing.

“We’re heartbroken something like this might have happened again,” President Obama said in Chicago, after being briefed on the events.

“Obviously this reopens the pain of what happened at Fort Hood five years ago,” Obama said. “We know these families. We know their incredible service to our country and the sacrifices that they make.”

McCaul told CNN that the suspected shooter is a soldier, SPC Ivan Lopez.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, speaking to reporters while in Honolulu to host a conference of Southeast Asian defense leaders, called the shootings a “terrible tragedy.” Asked about security improvements in the wake of other shootings at U.S. military bases, Hagel said, “Obviously when we have these kinds of tragedies on our bases, something’s not working.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/02/fort-hood-shooting/7225399/

workingclass artist on April 2, 2014 at 9:16 PM

workingclass

My thanks, to you, too.

pambi on April 2, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Kelly refuses to give the guy’s name. I like that, I think. But can’t she call him an extremely derogatory name instead?

BuckeyeSam on April 2, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Give them credit. After the absurdity of the Boston Marathon bombing, the media might have learned a lesson about releasing names and images without absolute certainty.

And at this point, where’s the proof that Ivan Lopez is the shooter and not the first victim? I’m guessing that isn’t the case but let’s remember Richard Jewell.

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Gov. Rick Perry issued a statement Wednesday night in which he said, “Today Fort Hood was once again stricken by tragedy.”

“As Texans, our first priority must be caring for the victims and their families. Ft. Hood has proven its resilience before, and will again. Texas will support those efforts in any way we can, with any resources necessary. The thoughts and prayers of all Texans are with everyone affected by this tragedy,” he said.

State Sen. Troy Fraser, R-Horseshoe Bay, whose district includes the post, issued a statement asking for prayers “for peace and healing.”

“Tonight, I join countless others in grieving following the senseless violence at Fort Hood. My thoughts and prayers are with all the brave men and women in uniform who serve us at Fort Hood and with their families and loved ones,” he said.

“Tonight, Texans hearts are once again very heavy,” U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said in a statement.

“The scenes coming from Ft. Hood today are sadly too familiar and still too fresh in our memories. No community should have to go through this horrific violence once, let alone twice. I ask that all Americans join Sandy and me in praying for the victims, their families and the entire Ft. Hood community.”

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Active-Shooter-Situation-Reported-At-Fort-Hood-253635771.html

workingclass artist on April 2, 2014 at 9:21 PM

They go after soft targets. That’s why miliary installations instead of something else in Texas. Anything else would be armed.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Actually it’s called the Posse Comitatus Act.

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Really dude. Posse Comitatus Act was passed in 1878, US Military personal were not disarmed on US military facilities until Bill Clinton signed an order in 1993 disarming US Military personal on US military facilities.

Among President Clinton’s first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases. In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the U.S. for personal protection. For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM

workingclass

My thanks, to you, too.

pambi on April 2, 2014 at 9:19 PM

: )

Here’s Gov. Perry’s entire statement.

Gov. Rick Perry today issued the following statement regarding the shootings at Fort Hood:

“The Texas family suffered a significant loss today with the tragedy at Fort Hood. Along with all Texans, Anita and I are keeping those affected by today’s incidents in our thoughts and prayers.

“We are deeply saddened by today’s events, but resolve to continue supporting our troops and protecting our citizens.

“To honor those who lost their lives today, I have ordered that all Texas flags be lowered to half-staff until Sunday, and ask all Texans to pray for the victims, their families and the extended Fort Hood community.”

The governor has been in contact with military and state law enforcement officials. To provide support at Fort Hood, Gov. Perry directed the deployment of a variety of state resources to the area, including Texas Department of Public Safety troopers, Texas Rangers and helicopters, to assist in securing the perimeter of the base and provide other support as necessary.

The governor’s flag order applies to all U.S. and Texas flags under the control of the state. Flags will be lowered to half-staff on the State Capitol Building, flag displays in the Capitol Complex, and upon all public buildings, grounds and facilities beginning immediately until sunset on Sunday, November 8th.

Individuals, businesses, municipalities, counties and other political subdivisions are encouraged to fly the flag at half-staff for the same length of time as a sign of respect.”

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/13906/

workingclass artist on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM

They go after soft targets. That’s why miliary installations instead of something else in Texas. Anything else would be armed.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Yep

workingclass artist on April 2, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Shot fired near Bowman Hall at Kent State University campus

Published: April 2, 2014 9:22PM

Kent State University police are investigating reports of a shot fired near Bowman Hall in Kent and advising people to seek shelter in place until further notice, according to a text message alert sent out at 8:49 p.m.

University spokesman Eric Mansfield said police are searching for a black male in dark basketball shorts carrying a silver handgun.

Mansfield said one bullet was fired into the ground. There were no other shots and no one was injured.

http://www.hudsonhubtimes.com/news%20local/2014/04/02/shot-fired-near-bowman-hall-at-kent-state-university-campus

davidk on April 2, 2014 at 9:29 PM

workingclass artist on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Me luvs me some Perry.
Thanks, again.

pambi on April 2, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Wouldn’t it be funny if they got the shooter wrong like they did in Boston?

oldroy on April 2, 2014 at 9:30 PM

ENOUGH! Let them carry arms on base. No more “workplace violence” incidents on our men and women in uniform.

neyney on April 2, 2014 at 9:32 PM

The Founding Fathers would have hung Clapper.

VorDaj on April 2, 2014 at 9:33 PM

I don’t know what they do now, but we used to run live weapon security drills 7 day a week.

We even trained with paintball.

And that was Navy. In the 90′s.

24/7 there was a armed Petty Officer on the Quarterdeck, and another roaming the ship on messenger duty. Duty Gunners mate with the key to the Armory.

Some stupid jr officer got the bright idea to “storm” our ship in a ski mask with a water gun.

I almost wasted him.

wolly4321 on April 2, 2014 at 9:34 PM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Well if you want to go full snark, let’s throw in Lautenberg and the Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban of 1996.

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Wouldn’t it be funny if they got the shooter wrong like they did in Boston?

oldroy on April 2, 2014 at 9:30 PM

No. It would not.

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 9:36 PM

neyney on April 2, 2014 at 9:32 PM

I hear ya !
AT LEAST broadcast that there are armed personnel on site !!
Let ‘em guess who might be ready to blow them away !!
(see Detroit’s police chief)

Idiots.

pambi on April 2, 2014 at 9:36 PM

So the guy is from Killeen apparently and there is no info on him? Really? WTF is going on?

oldroy on April 2, 2014 at 9:38 PM

ObamaCare has killed more than 14 people already.

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Yet another senseless act of violence because of Sarah Palin.

/MSM tards

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Those poor people having to go through that again. How awful.

lexhamfox on April 2, 2014 at 9:47 PM

What is with Obama repeatedly using the word obviously?

Who talks like that?

When a very serious illness or death is announced on Hotair by a blogger or commenter, who responds with “Well obviously … …”?

VorDaj on April 2, 2014 at 9:47 PM

If Ivan Lopez is the shooter, I don’t think much can be read into the name. Ivan as a given name is a legacy from Soviet adventurism in Cuba and various other South American countries. Vladimir Guerrero, Ivan Rodriguez come to mind.

polly2150 on April 2, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, on Fort Hood shooting: ‘My prayers are with all in the Fort Hood community who have been impacted by today’s shooting, including first responders who have been actively working to move people out of harm’s way and secure the area’ – statement via @NBCNews

davidk on April 2, 2014 at 9:48 PM

So the guy is from Killeen apparently and there is no info on him? Really? WTF is going on?

oldroy on April 2, 2014 at 9:38 PM

How many mosques does Killeen have?

VorDaj on April 2, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Maddow implies it is Bush’s fault.

Says soldiers are stressed because of two wars.

Also, soldiers are being targeted because of two wars.

Disgusting.

Carnac on April 2, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Rand Paul has just been notified. It appears that Ivan Lopez may be Mrs. Garcia’s nephew.

VorDaj on April 2, 2014 at 9:54 PM

just coming through. Lockdown lifted at Ft. Hood. My heart just breaks for those soldiers and their families.

CoffeeLover on April 2, 2014 at 9:59 PM

Lockdown lifted at Fort Hood base in Texas hours after shooting – @KVUE, @KCENNews

davidk on April 2, 2014 at 10:00 PM

Ocarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Yea, you are correct.

I don’t think Posse Comitatas ties the Militarys hands as far as Base security is concerned.

wolly4321 on April 2, 2014 at 10:00 PM

Maddow implies it is Bush’s fault.

Says soldiers are stressed because of two wars.

Also, soldiers are being targeted because of two wars.

Disgusting.

Carnac on April 2, 2014 at 9:53 PM

I’ll have to take your word for it… I don’t watch “Madcow”… ever…

Khun Joe on April 2, 2014 at 10:04 PM

I don’t think Posse Comitatas ties the Militarys hands as far as Base security is concerned.

wolly4321 on April 2, 2014 at 10:00 PM

No, it doesn’t.
Posse commitatus prevents the military from being used for civilian law enforcement. It does not prevent the military from using deadly force for security / defense of military bases, or from defense of the country, even within the US, from any type of military force or attack.
All military security personnel carry weapons when on duty, but nobody else is allowed to have weapons on base thanks to Clinton.

dentarthurdent on April 2, 2014 at 10:08 PM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Thanks for posting that Washington Times article. Good info to have. From the article: “With the stroke of a pen, President Obama can end Mr. Clinton’s folly and allow U.S. soldiers to protect themselves. Because we clearly cannot protect our soldiers from harm, the least we owe them is the right to protect themselves.”

Since Bill Clinton ordered this disarming of our Military on the bases, I wonder why President G.W. Bush didn’t lift it?

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/#ixzz2xmk7TUGw
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

bluefox on April 2, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Maddow implies it is Bush’s fault.

Says soldiers are stressed because of two wars.

Also, soldiers are being targeted because of two wars.

Disgusting.

Carnac on April 2, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Bucking fitch.

Midas on April 2, 2014 at 10:13 PM

Response to Khun Joe ….. Know thy enemy. To the family and friends of Fort Hood, my prayers are with you. God Bless.

Carnac on April 2, 2014 at 10:14 PM

, it doesn’t. Posse commitatus prevents the military from being used for civilian law enforcement. It does not prevent the military from using deadly force for security / defense of military bases, or from defense of the country, even within the US, from any type of military force or attack. All military security personnel carry weapons when on duty, but nobody else is allowed to have weapons on base thanks to Clinton. dentarthurdent on April 2, 2014 at 10:08 PM

I found that out topside with an M14 after the first World trade center bombing. I was stationed in NY.

We weren’t playing,, we were locked and loaded.

wolly4321 on April 2, 2014 at 10:20 PM

You know who is authorized security on a base?

Whomever is on duty.
We had 3 section duty, that is every 3 days.

I worked 8 hours, pulled a fire team drill, a security drill, two 4 hour watches armed, and probably chow relief as well. All armed with a .45.

All duty personnel should be armed.

Pulling watch.

wolly4321 on April 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM

Unreal! CNN reporter Pam Brown: “He, [Obama] connected while giving his short address about the tragedy at Fort Hood”……….followed by, “no, there are no reports that Mr. Obama is changing his fundraising schedule”.

“Connecting” Priorities.

Rovin on April 2, 2014 at 10:39 PM

If we can’t tell good muslims from jihadiis and muslims won’t call out their bad seed then send them all back home. The constitution is not a suicide pact for aliens to just come in and terrorize us.
AH_C on April 2, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Now there you go again jumping to conclusions when you know that these things always involve a Bubba from the Tea party, and never a follower of Mohammed sworn to kill the infidels.
oldroy on April 2, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Not at all. Could be a soldier going postal like the one at Bragg oh so many years ago. Or like the soldier that sawed off the head in Germany about 15, 20 years ago. I’m just addressing the elephant that appears whenever a senseless attack occurs. Once upon a time news like this just meant a guy going postal, now we have to wonder if it’s a fanatic on a mission. Given my druthers I’d rather it be a random crazy than a jihadist. We can’t do much about the former but we sure can do something about the latter if we have the will. It’s for the children, our children.

AH_C on April 2, 2014 at 10:51 PM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Thanks for posting that Washington Times article. Good info to have. From the article: “With the stroke of a pen, President Obama can end Mr. Clinton’s folly and allow U.S. soldiers to protect themselves. Because we clearly cannot protect our soldiers from harm, the least we owe them is the right to protect themselves.”

Since Bill Clinton ordered this disarming of our Military on the bases, I wonder why President G.W. Bush didn’t lift it?

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/#ixzz2xmk7TUGw
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

bluefox on April 2, 2014 at 10:11 PM

The Blaze disagrees:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/17/this-is-why-most-military-personnel-are-disarmed-on-military-bases-and-its-not-clintons-fault/

Lolo on April 2, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Has the consumption of carrion and the anti-gun yapping begun yet?

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 11:44 PM

This will be going on for years. Stupid, pointless, expensive wars that yielded no territory or nothing of value, and here is the result.

cimbri on April 2, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Stupid, pointless, expensive wars that yielded no territory or nothing of value, and here is the result.

cimbri on April 2, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Wow, gnatbrain!

Schadenfreude on April 3, 2014 at 12:06 AM

On the Right side, I see pundits saying “maybe the GIs should be able to carry guns”… and then quickly dissemble and say “just the GIs” – thing is that most of the civilians on post are military retirees…who should be able to carry too – they’re almost to a man war vets and frequently have more weapons handling experience that most of the joes on base.

John_G on April 3, 2014 at 12:59 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Thanks for posting that Washington Times article. Good info to have. From the article: “With the stroke of a pen, President Obama can end Mr. Clinton’s folly and allow U.S. soldiers to protect themselves. Because we clearly cannot protect our soldiers from harm, the least we owe them is the right to protect themselves.”

Since Bill Clinton ordered this disarming of our Military on the bases, I wonder why President G.W. Bush didn’t lift it?

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/#ixzz2xmk7TUGw
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

bluefox on April 2, 2014 at 10:11 PM

The Blaze disagrees:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/17/this-is-why-most-military-personnel-are-disarmed-on-military-bases-and-its-not-clintons-fault/

Lolo on April 2, 2014 at 11:42 PM

I seem to recall back when I served (1973 – 1983) we were never allowed to possess, let alone carry while on base. And that was Bergstrom AFB in Austin, TX, Ramstein AB in Germany, Kadena AFB in Okinawa, Osan AFB in Korea and Clark AFB in the Philippines.

Mitoch55 on April 3, 2014 at 1:39 AM

This will be going on for years. Stupid, pointless, expensive wars that yielded no territory or nothing of value, and here is the result.

cimbri on April 2, 2014 at 11:51 PM

If you’re talking about Iraq, you have not a leg to stand on.

But in general, you also have not a leg to stand on.

The wars the US fights, despite what your Democrat NEA Union Public School Teachers taught you in kindergarten, have been to defend other countries. We never went into Iraq to “seize territory” to permanently keep, and we didn’t do D-Day so we could sieze France. Why the getalife would we want to do that anyway?

Name one country that we have “invaded” where we have stayed behind. And remember, mentioning the military bases we maintain in those countries under treaties will only make us laugh at you.

Now…as for Iraq…

Democrat President Bill Clinton and his intel people were the first ones to claim that Iraq had WMDs. All of his fellow (Democrat) travelers in Congress agreed.

And his intel people also told him in 1998 that Iraq was in cahoots with al Qaeda and bin Laden. His Department of Justice included that as one of the counts in his Federal Indictment, a fully binding legal ruling/legal document.

Democrat President Bill Clinton also appointed a couple of Democrat Judges to the same Federal Court in Lower Manhattan where Attorney General Eric Holder wanted to try the original 9/11 mastermind, KSM.

In 2003 and later, those two Clinton-appointed Federal Judges ruled, based on the evidence provided by 9/11 survivors and family members’ testimonies as well as that of expert witnesses, that both Iraq and Iran played a role in the 2001 9/11 attacks.

Do you accept all of those legal rulings as The Law of the Land, just like O’bamacare?

Or were all of those decisions by Democrat Judges irrelevant because of their shelf life?

Take your time!

Del Dolemonte on April 3, 2014 at 2:15 AM

My take.

kingsjester on April 3, 2014 at 7:05 AM

This will be going on for years. Stupid, pointless, expensive wars that yielded no territory or nothing of value, and here is the result.

cimbri on April 2, 2014 at 11:51 PM

That’s because we don’t have the guts to actually finish a war these days. If we get into a war we should fight it. I keep thinking back to the way we fought WWII and how we handled the aftermath. Especially in Japan and look at how well they did afterward. We made a difference.

Our soldiers in this war have made a difference getting schools established and just basically trying to help but just as in Vietnam they are pulled out before finishing the job.

crankyoldlady on April 3, 2014 at 7:06 AM

My take.

kingsjester on April 3, 2014 at 7:05 AM

Thanks King.

crankyoldlady on April 3, 2014 at 7:11 AM

crankyoldlady on April 3, 2014 at 7:06 AM

They never can finish the Job. The Job is not to build schools and win hearts and minds. The job is to destroy, completely, any will to fight America at any level amongst even their most adamant America haters. Only once that is accomplished can you build anything of value in there culture. They first have to either respect you or fear you to care what you think. We never worked towards either goal.

astonerii on April 3, 2014 at 7:46 AM

This will be going on for years. Stupid, pointless, expensive wars that yielded no territory or nothing of value, and here is the result.

cimbri on April 2, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Some people just can’t resist making cheap political points when tragedy strikes. Spare us your phony outrage.

zoyclem on April 3, 2014 at 7:53 AM

Some people just can’t resist making cheap political points when tragedy strikes. Spare us your phony outrage.

zoyclem on April 3, 2014 at 7:53 AM

Something has triggered a huge increase in the number of suicidal military members. This guy was obviously suicidal with a huge side of homicidal maniac to go with it.

Do you think it is how the military is being politicized or do you think it is something outside the military causing this increase?

I think it is the politicization of the military by the Democrats and Republican party that is the cause along with what the person you responded to said (not in a great way, but it still remains a likely contributor to the morale of the troops).

They go over seas to fight wars hamstrung with rules of engagement, watch their friends die, while the political people in this nation argue they are trying to win hearts and minds (making the wars pointless, you cannot win a war by winning hearts and minds) and then have insult added to injury with things like the repeal of don’t ask don’t tell and the coming addition of trans gendered troops added to the mix. Remember, these men and women are trapped with no exit from these assaults on their morals because politicians want to play their cultural games in the military. They cannot just walk away like a civilian can.

astonerii on April 3, 2014 at 8:15 AM

will any tradegy stop obama from doing a fund raiser for like 24 hours?????

sniffles1999 on April 3, 2014 at 9:09 AM

will any tradegy stop obama from doing a fund raiser for like 24 hours?????

sniffles1999 on April 3, 2014 at 9:09 AM

Hasn’t found one yet, it seems.

Midas on April 3, 2014 at 9:52 AM

astonerii on April 3, 2014 at 8:15 AM

Not to mention hearing their ‘leaders’ in DC refer to them as madmen and criminals every so often, take steps to largely single them out from the rest of government spending as the *only* thing worth cutting – and actually *cutting* their funding, not just for current operations but for benefits, etc.

None of this is demoralizing in the least, I’m sure. /

Midas on April 3, 2014 at 9:55 AM

Another shooting in a GUN FREE ZONE, when seconds count help is minutes away . . .

obama then gives a 30 second comment and then off to a 10,000 a plate fund raiser with 1%ers . . . .

money, money money, campaigning non stop.

sniffles1999 on April 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM
Thanks for posting that Washington Times article. Good info to have. From the article: “With the stroke of a pen, President Obama can end Mr. Clinton’s folly and allow U.S. soldiers to protect themselves. Because we clearly cannot protect our soldiers from harm, the least we owe them is the right to protect themselves.”
Since Bill Clinton ordered this disarming of our Military on the bases, I wonder why President G.W. Bush didn’t lift it?
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/#ixzz2xmk7TUGw
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bluefox on April 2, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Has anyone started a WH petition yet? Maybe we can couple it (pun intended) with some ghey-rights thingy to get it to move more smoothly (pun again).

Nutstuyu on April 3, 2014 at 10:40 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM
Thanks for posting that Washington Times article. Good info to have. From the article: “With the stroke of a pen, President Obama can end Mr. Clinton’s folly and allow U.S. soldiers to protect themselves. Because we clearly cannot protect our soldiers from harm, the least we owe them is the right to protect themselves.”
Since Bill Clinton ordered this disarming of our Military on the bases, I wonder why President G.W. Bush didn’t lift it?
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/#ixzz2xmk7TUGw
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
bluefox on April 2, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Has anyone started a WH petition yet? Maybe we can couple it (pun intended) with some ghey-rights thingy to get it to move more smoothly (pun again).

Nutstuyu on April 3, 2014 at 10:40 AM

So too could have Bush.

astonerii on April 3, 2014 at 10:41 AM

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