Rand Paul on immigration: Republicans have got to get beyond deportation

posted at 1:21 pm on April 1, 2014 by Allahpundit

Before anyone excommunicates him from the GOP on grounds of RINOism, ask yourself: Will there be a single Republican candidate onstage next year at the debates who challenges him on this point? Don’t say Cruz. Cruz opposes a path to citizenship but he’s in line with Paul, Rubio, etc, on legalization and work permits, which are the truly important provisions. Once legalization is granted, citizenship will inevitably follow. (That’s why it’s crucial to secure the border first, to make sure that this amnesty is the last amnesty.) If Paul’s candidacy is DOA for taking this line, I’m not sure whose candidacy is still alive.

Besides, America is already largely “beyond deportation.”

During a symposium at the Newseum on conservative engagement with Hispanic media outlets, Paul also said Republicans have plenty of ideas that appeal to Latinos, but acknowledged, “We got to get beyond deportation to get to the rest of the issues.”

“The bottom line is that the Hispanic community, the Latino community, is not going to hear us until we get beyond that issue. They’re not going to care whether we go to the same church or have the same values or believe in the same kind of future of the country until we get beyond that. So showing up helps. But you got to show up and you got to say something and it’s has to be different than what we’ve been saying.”…

“I think one way to get the door ajar is say that you know, Mrs. Garcia’s nephew is not going to be sent home to Mexico,” he said. “You know, because everybody — even those who are here illegally — know somebody who is here who doesn’t have the proper visa.”…

Paul, who voted against last year’s Senate comprehensive immigration bill, expressed frustration that the bill still keeps it illegal for immigrants with certain visas to change jobs while in the United States. He gave an example of a migrant worker who came here with a legal visa to pick crops for $9 dollars an hour but later saw a construction job that paid $14 dollars an hour.

The most interesting part of that to me isn’t the deportation bit. After the beating Romney took for advocating attrition through enforcement, a.k.a. “self-deportation,” in 2012, no Republican with national ambitions is going to defend the D-word. The interesting part is that Rand is still kinda sorta pushing the “Latinos are conservatives but just don’t know it yet” line which, I thought, most people who follow politics now accepted was self-serving nonsense endorsed by GOP amnesty fans. More than one poll, including the national exit poll in 2012, show Latinos favoring gay marriage. Abortion is more complicated, but the same 2012 exit poll found that 66 percent of Latinos thought abortion should be legal compared to 59 percent of the overall population. Maybe that’s an artifact of higher turnout among Latino Democrats for Obama’s reelection bid or maybe it’s a more durable trend. As for Paul’s point about sharing a vision for the future of the country, here’s the reality from Pew circa April 2012:

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A Gallup poll taken two months later, in June 2012, showed a similar result. When asked whether government is doing too much or not enough, American registered voters overall split 57/37. Latino registered voters split 35/56. And so we return to the big question: Are these preferences more a product of firm ideological inclination or are they more a product of alienation from the GOP over immigration policy? Republicans don’t need to win a majority of Latinos to make Democrats’ lives difficult electorally — even a 40/60 split would be tough for the left — but the “ask” here in terms of legalizing 10+ million people is high given the uncertainty. Look back at the Pew poll and you’ll find a further complication: It’s younger Latinos and recent immigrants who are the furthest left politically. Is that because they’re alienated from the GOP in a way that older generations, which watched Reagan sign the 1986 amnesty, aren’t? Or is it because broader political trends, like the leftward drift and lesser role of religion among younger voters generally, have delivered them there? The problem is more or less fixable depending upon how you answer. Republican candidates, Paul included, have to take the “it’s our fault” line because they can’t afford to formally write off an entire demographic. The trick is convincing Republican base voters that it’s true.


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If we can’t agree on deporting criminals, screw this guy.

BuckeyeSam on April 1, 2014 at 1:24 PM

This is one of the things that irritates me about Rand: He likes straw men. He did it with DOMA, claiming DOMA outlaws gay marriage, and he’s doing it with immigration. Conservatives want security, and rule of law. And if Rand wants to burn straw men, he can go DIAF.

NotCoach on April 1, 2014 at 1:25 PM

I think one way to get the door ajar is say that you know, Mrs. Garcia’s nephew is not going to be sent home to Mexico,” he said. “You know, because everybody — even those who are here illegally — know somebody who is here who doesn’t have the proper visa.”…

Everyone knows someone that’s a victim of a violent crime too. Are we for rape and murder now?

What a pandering fool.

faraway on April 1, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Who’s talking deportation anymore; I just don’t want them voting.

SailorMark on April 1, 2014 at 1:27 PM

I’d be happy if existing laws were enforced. No blanket amnesty. Why provide fuel for the Dems communist political machine?

iamsaved on April 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM

I am tired of this issue being the excuse to ignore our laws and constitution.

1. Close the border first.
2. Identify all illegal immigrants second
3. Deport any with previous criminal records.
4. Put the rest on strict probation period with a very structured and educational path to citizenship which they must pay for. (meaning they must have a JOB!)

This isn’t rocket science.

Skwor on April 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM

NotCoach on April 1, 2014 at 1:25 PM

There was another freshman senator who loved to beat up on straw men; he’s currently an unsuccessful president.

thebrokenrattle on April 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Rand Paul on immigration: Republicans have got to get beyond deportation

There goes Paul’s presidential aspirations. He must be using Rubio’s consustants!

cajunpatriot on April 1, 2014 at 1:30 PM

“I think one way to get the door ajar is say that you know, Mrs. Garcia’s nephew is not going to be sent home to Mexico,” he said. “You know, because everybody — even those who are here illegally — know somebody who is here who doesn’t have the proper visa.”…

Visas? These illegal aliens are breaking the law. They don’t bother with visas. I’m always shocked that our side still sees these criminals as angels drifting into our country, the broken down, hard working migrant who just wants a better life. Ignore the fact they are dropping babies to get welfare, driving drunk and killing citizens, and lowering wages. Rand, you dummy, you’re no better than Christie or Rubio.

Cheese Wheel on April 1, 2014 at 1:30 PM

If we can’t agree on deporting criminals, screw this guy.

BuckeyeSam on April 1, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Listen if you have a plan on how to deport every single person who is not here legally, please share it. Other wise let sane people come to a solution ok.

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM

IF there is any interest in a mass amnesty, let’s at least turn the debate into a REAL point.

ANY amnesty must ELIMINATE all chain migration! No one who has come here illegally should be allowed, under ANY circumstance, to chain migrate ANY family member!

This one point will force the useless racist thugs in congress, like Luis Guiterrez (socialist democrat-Il), to admit that their RACIST agenda is to change the demographics of the USA.

Freddy on April 1, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Before anyone excommunicates him from the GOP on grounds of RINOism,

Now we both know the usual suspects made up their minds by reading the headline.

“On the charges of being a dirty RINO, we find the defendant: Guilty!!”

Full disclosure: I know someone whos Visa is expiring, I dont want her deported.

Dash on April 1, 2014 at 1:32 PM

well nice knowin’ ya Rand, now beat it

Unless somebody gives me a list of federal laws we can ignore without consequence I can’t along with this crap. Go for it Allah, push amnesty all day long. It ain’t going to fly.

We don’t even know the true number that would get it so how in the hell can we quantify the change that will occur?

DanMan on April 1, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Reagan was wrong in ’86, and Paul is wrong on this.

MoreLiberty on April 1, 2014 at 1:33 PM

It’s younger Latinos and recent immigrants who are the furthest left politically. Is that because they’re alienated from the GOP in a way that older generations, which watched Reagan sign the 1986 amnesty, aren’t? Or is it because broader political trends, like the leftward drift and lesser role of religion among younger voters generally, have delivered them there? The problem is more or less fixable depending upon how you answer

Replace “Latinos” with Italians/Irish/Ethnic Whites and these same questions could have been asked 80 years ago about them. Today ethnic whites are an increasingly stronger GOP constituency when some decades ago they were uniformly Democrats.

The GOP can’t give up on the citizenship issue so that all these people are way older and richer when/if they ever become citizens (and some already dead).

joana on April 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM

NotCoach on April 1, 2014 at 1:25 PM

The post directly above yours seems to suggest it might not be a straw man after all.

alchemist19 on April 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Listen if you have a plan on how to deport every single person who is not here legally, please share it. Other wise let sane people come to a solution ok.

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM

You frucking destructive moron, go back to the tyranny you came from. Something so dumb has rarely graced the HA site.

This admin counts as “deportations” the people who’re apprehended before they enter the US. See Sen. Sessions, a very serious person.

Paul is an idiot on topic.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Full disclosure: I know someone whos Visa is expiring, I dont want her deported.

Dash on April 1, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Instruct her to follow the law, or get out.

BobMbx on April 1, 2014 at 1:35 PM

coolrepubica, NO one is going to deport people, Eisenhower style.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:35 PM

coolrepubica, NO one will deport people, Eisenhower style.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Listen if you have a plan on how to deport every single person who is not here legally, please share it. Other wise let sane people come to a solution ok.

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM

LOL

You don’t have to deport them all. What

Skwor on April 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM

said. Add to that, massive fines for those who continue to employ those who are here illegally.

And there are no sane people in DC looking for a solution.

HumpBot Salvation on April 1, 2014 at 1:36 PM

It is unacceptable to reward people who defy the law. The deal in 1986 was a one time amnesty never to be repeated in exchange for enforcement. The enforcement never came, now its time to pay the check. I won’t vote for anyone who supports amnesty for ANY illegal. I will vote third party to keep a RINO out of the WH.

Hera on April 1, 2014 at 1:36 PM

I’m not so sure that if I were Latino and here legally that I’d be all that happy with this blanket assumption that I’m for illegal immigration because Mrs. Garcia’s nephew is an illegal.

Don’t Latinos have concerns about jobs, the economy, the education of their children, whatever. Maybe it is the Latino community that has to get beyond the idea that every illegal in this nation must be welcomed without penalty, without regard for the millions that are trying to immigrate the right way, and without acknowledgement that many illegals are here to do the business of drug cartels.

Happy Nomad on April 1, 2014 at 1:36 PM

When the carrots are removed the —– move to another patch.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Listen if you have a plan on how to deport every single person who is not here legally, please share it.

It’s called E-Verify.

Other wise let sane people come to a solution ok.

Being a coward afraid to take on a tough issue in the direct and honest manner required doesn’t make you sane. It just makes you a coward.

Pincher Martin on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

It’s younger Latinos and recent immigrants who are the furthest left politically. Is that because they’re alienated from the GOP in a way that older generations, which watched Reagan sign the 1986 amnesty, aren’t? Or is it because broader political trends, like the leftward drift and lesser role of religion among younger voters generally, have delivered them there? The problem is more or less fixable depending upon how you answer

Replace “Latinos” with Italians/Irish/Ethnic Whites and these same questions could have been asked 80 years ago about them. Today ethnic whites are an increasingly stronger GOP constituency when some decades ago they were uniformly Democrats.

The GOP can’t give up on the citizenship issue so that all these people are way older and richer when/if they ever become citizens (and some already dead).

joana on April 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Eighty years ago they were not sucking up welfare benefits and they assimilated, learned the language do success, and didn’t have the democrats hauling them to their underclass plantation. They also came here LEGALLY. What is it with you idiots not understanding the word ILLEGAL?

Cheese Wheel on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Replace “Latinos” with Italians/Irish/Ethnic Whites and these same questions could have been asked 80 years ago about them. Today ethnic whites are an increasingly stronger GOP constituency when some decades ago they were uniformly Democrats.

The GOP can’t give up on the citizenship issue so that all these people are way older and richer when/if they ever become citizens (and some already dead).

joana on April 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM

That right there bears repeating…

JohnGalt23 on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Listen if you have a plan on how to deport every single person who is not here legally, please share it. Other wise let sane people come to a solution ok.

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM

I’m sorry, why does it have to be all or nothing. Do you support the elimination of the threat of deportation? If we take deportation off the table isn’t that a de facto amnesty? You all are the extremists. Open borders will destroy our country. No one else does it. No other country removes the threat of deportations of illegal residents. How about we deport enough people to make it clear that overstaying a visa or hoping a fence is still illegal. WHAT DO YOU THINK MEXICO DOES?

What other country flirts with open borders like ours does? Answer that one question , genius. You can’t. There are no others.

BoxHead1 on April 1, 2014 at 1:38 PM

It irritates me to no end when a Rep politicians say “Republicans need to…” YOU’RE A REPUBLICAN! Who the he!! are you talking to?

We don’t need a lecture either.

We need you to LISTEN TO US!

dforston on April 1, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Way too much time spent on dealing with those illegals already here, and not nearly enough spent on preventing reoccurence. There is a reason we don’t trust political promises to enforce the border. How does the government assure us that laws will be enforced for new arrivals? Stop the flow, then deal with the lawbreakers already here. Some type of absorption into our system will have to be made, but, that shouldn’t be the primary issue right now.

butch on April 1, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Reagan was wrong in ’86, and Paul is wrong on this.

MoreLiberty on April 1, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Reagan, to his last sane thought, regretted his amnesty signing. He knew that it only furthered more and solved nothing.

All who’re for amnesty are traitors to the land and her children, with zero exceptions.

They hate the American workers, minorities and all who are in the US legally.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:39 PM

This isn’t rocket science.

Skwor on April 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM

No, it’s not rocket science, however some people (Democrats) want this to perpetually remain a wedge issue. Why should they support actual solutions when they can make it a campaign issue five years after the previous immigration “solution?”

midgeorgian on April 1, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Start deporting them when they’re picked up, and they will self deport. This is what has happened in the past, and it will happen again.

This isn’t rocket science, and these idiots who are promoting this BS, like Rand, are stupid. There is nothing to be gained by amnesty of any type. We know what happened after 1986, when we were lied to,

JannyMae on April 1, 2014 at 1:39 PM

If Rand Paul wants to lose my support, he’s just did with this.

sadatoni on April 1, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Replace “Latinos” with Italians/Irish/Ethnic Whites and these same questions could have been asked 80 years ago about them. Today ethnic whites are an increasingly stronger GOP constituency when some decades ago they were uniformly Democrats.

The GOP can’t give up on the citizenship issue so that all these people are way older and richer when/if they ever become citizens (and some already dead).

joana on April 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Correct, unless the GOP wants to be a permanent minority, they cannot write Latinos off.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Maybe Cruz is right. If we just open up the borders, eventually all those SciFi dystopian stories will come true, and people will start emigrating from rather than immigrating to the US. Problem solved.

Joseph OHenry on April 1, 2014 at 1:41 PM

The Pope told the US pope that he’s against all deportations from the US. The Pope loves the diminishing of the US and for the US to pay for the world socialism.

The oaf, who’s chief, took that part to heart, not that he wasn’t a crook before.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Correct, unless the GOP wants to be a permanent minority, they cannot write Latinos off.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Fruck the GOP. They are not any better than the D-rats and can both go to Hell. Your entire future is sold out, and you’re too blind to see it.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Today ethnic whites are an increasingly stronger GOP constituency when some decades ago they were uniformly Democrats.

Hey joana, Texas was a solid democrat state 25 years ago too. democrats went batshit crazy with debt and social issues and the majority of America has lapped it up, so what’s your point?

DanMan on April 1, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Oh sure, illegals and Mexicans are just dying to switch their votes from Democrat to Republicans if Republicans don’t deport the deportables !

burrata on April 1, 2014 at 1:43 PM

And Rand continues to reverse his initial impressions.

So much hope, now we know it will be for naught.

nobar on April 1, 2014 at 1:43 PM

@schadenfreude

My day always gets extra bright when I know how i get under your skin. I am about to really get your skin today. Let’s start by telling you I am black. I know mind blown. Now you get to think of ways to call me the N word in your next post. and i get to enjoy feeding off your anger.

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Correct, unless the GOP wants to be a permanent minority, they cannot write Latinos off.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Answer this – If someone overstays a visa or hops the border fence, should we deport them going forward? If not then what is the point of the border?

BoxHead1 on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Rand Paul on immigration: Republicans have got to get beyond deportation

No, I won’t get beyond it:

Shut down the borders to prevent more from coming in.

Self-deportation will work for a lot of them if they are prevented from working — put employers who hire them in jail.

Provide no welfare benefits for illegals.

Enforce the current laws and deport the ones who are caught.

Kaffa on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Eighty years ago they were not sucking up welfare benefits and they assimilated, learned the language do success, and didn’t have the democrats hauling them to their underclass plantation. They also came here LEGALLY. What is it with you idiots not understanding the word ILLEGAL?

Cheese Wheel on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Read about the no-nothing party and the nativist parties in the 19th century. They had a same opinions about the Irish and other immigrants as anti-immigrant activists today. And the temperance movement used the stereotype of lazy, drunk Irish men to get Prohibition passed.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Replace “Latinos” with Italians/Irish/Ethnic Whites and these same questions could have been asked 80 years ago about them. Today ethnic whites are an increasingly stronger GOP constituency when some decades ago they were uniformly Democrats.

The GOP can’t give up on the citizenship issue so that all these people are way older and richer when/if they ever become citizens (and some already dead).

joana on April 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Hey skanky RINO shill, the proper and honest discussion is about security and rule of law. Legal immigration is not an issue. And your post gives you away as anything but a conservative. Who are you shilling for this time around, I wonder?

NotCoach on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Correct, unless the GOP wants to be a permanent minority, they cannot write Latinos off.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:40 PM

The GOP will be a minority, but it will do so by betraying it’s platform and it’s voters.

nobar on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Eighty years ago they were not sucking up welfare benefits and they assimilated, learned the language do success, and didn’t have the democrats hauling them to their underclass plantation. They also came here LEGALLY. What is it with you idiots not understanding the word ILLEGAL?

Cheese Wheel on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

They didn’t set up cultural enclaves of their old country in America when they got here? There was no Little Italy or Chinatown or anything like that where they all tended to gather together and there were even published newspapers in the native language of the place they came from?

Cultural assimilation takes a generation or two. Always has.

alchemist19 on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

The Pope told the US pope that he’s against all deportations from the US. The Pope loves the diminishing of the US and for the US to pay for the world socialism.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Planning on that being the next GOP bumper sticker, are ya?

At one point, GWB won the Roman Catholic vote. You seem to be willing to p!ss that away…

JohnGalt23 on April 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM

JohnGalt23 on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Hey JohnGalt, why did you take that name for your on-line moniker?

DanMan on April 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM

My day always gets extra bright when I know how i get under your skin. I am about to really get your skin today. Let’s start by telling you I am black. I know mind blown. Now you get to think of ways to call me the N word in your next post. and i get to enjoy feeding off your anger.

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

I always knew you were black. Makes you no smarter and proves that you’re still shackled. Free yourself, modern day slave. You left a latrine and you make the US into another one. You’re too blind to see.

Btw, I helped more blacks to free themselves than did obama.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM

My day always gets extra bright when I know how i get under your skin. I am about to really get your skin today. Let’s start by telling you I am black. I know mind blown. Now you get to think of ways to call me the N word in your next post. and i get to enjoy feeding off your anger.

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

OHHHH MIND BLOWN!!!!///
What a jackass. No one cares what color you are.

BoxHead1 on April 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Hey JohnGalt, why did you take that name for your on-line moniker?

DanMan on April 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM

I’ve had it as an online moniker for twenty years now, since I was in college. Loved the novel and the author, for all her faults…

JohnGalt23 on April 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

And they call us racists. How do you know what skin-color any of us have, miracle-thinker. What a gnat-brain you are.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Fruck the GOP. They are not any better than the D-rats and can both go to Hell. Your entire future is sold out, and you’re too blind to see it.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Great. Then I hope that you enjoy the high taxes, Obamacare, and European welfare state. These will be with us permanently.

The Pope told the US pope that he’s against all deportations from the US. The Pope loves the diminishing of the US and for the US to pay for the world socialism.

The oaf, who’s chief, took that part to heart, not that he wasn’t a crook before.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Because Pope Francis is sitting around the Vatican cackling about how he can diminish America. The Catholic Church does have a liberal view on immigration because it is more concerned with the person rather than the borders.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Instruct her to follow the law, or get out.

BobMbx on April 1, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Or… we just change the law!

Now Bob, let me ask you, have you ever broken the law? Come on… be honest with me Bobster. Speeding ticket? Parking violation? Maybe not claim a update on your house to the town to avoid increased taxes… We’re all friends here.

Dash on April 1, 2014 at 1:48 PM

OHHHH MIND BLOWN!!!!///
What a jackass. No one cares what color you are.

BoxHead1 on April 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Funny, there’s nothing under my skin, except rat-repellent.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:49 PM

f*ing cowards.
too damn afraid to speak the truth or enforce the law because they care more about their job security.
if the surrender monkeys had any balls they would straight up say I will deport them then you would be surprised at the amount of support that person would get.
but no, its easier to give the law breakers a reach around and a SEVENTH (or so) round of amnesty and write pu$$y articles (not necessarily this one though) about it.

dmacleo on April 1, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Hey skanky RINO shill, the proper and honest discussion is about security and rule of law. Legal immigration is not an issue. And your post gives you away as anything but a conservative. Who are you shilling for this time around, I wonder?

NotCoach on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

That is the way to have an honest, civil debate.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Replace “Latinos” with Italians/Irish/Ethnic Whites and these same questions could have been asked 80 years ago about them. Today ethnic whites are an increasingly stronger GOP constituency when some decades ago they were uniformly Democrats.

The GOP can’t give up on the citizenship issue so that all these people are way older and richer when/if they ever become citizens (and some already dead).

joana on April 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Correct, unless the GOP wants to be a permanent minority, they cannot write Latinos off.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:40 PM

80 years ago Europeans were invited. Repeat it slowly. The GOP doesn’t write off Latinos…they write off the GOP. btw, millions of people didn’t sneak into this country in order to live in a south American socialist state. Latinos can get on board with Americans or go back where they came from. No hard feelings.

cajunpatriot on April 1, 2014 at 1:49 PM

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

And they call us racists. How do you know what skin-color any of us have, miracle-thinker. What a gnat-brain you are.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Obviously she posted that because you said you ain’t gonna listen to some white dude rant about this or the other thing, because he’s white. I bet you work for Ebony, don’t you?

NotCoach on April 1, 2014 at 1:50 PM

People who are here illegally, have already broken the law. Not the type of people I want living in my country. No other country in the world puts up with this BS, Why should we?

birdwatcher on April 1, 2014 at 1:50 PM

My day always gets extra bright when I know how i get under your skin. I am about to really get your skin today. Let’s start by telling you I am black. I know mind blown. Now you get to think of ways to call me the N word in your next post. and i get to enjoy feeding off your anger.

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Wow, that’s a lot of “I” statements. You must be black because you are as self-absorbed as the lazy stupid rat-eared coward in the White House.

Happy Nomad on April 1, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Great. Then I hope that you enjoy the high taxes, Obamacare, and European welfare state. These will be with us permanently.

Only fools believe that the RINOs will change any of this, or do any of it differently. You’re delusional.

Because Pope Francis is sitting around the Vatican cackling about how he can diminish America. The Catholic Church does have a liberal view on immigration because it is more concerned with the person rather than the borders.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Shorter version “because the Pope is a socialist”.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Paul take the first incremental step toward “Earnesty”. In a while, he’ll imply that people who want laws enforced are “heartless”…after that he may point out that “we’re all immigrants”.

Mimzey on April 1, 2014 at 1:51 PM

That is the way to have an honest, civil debate.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Am I talking to you? No, I’m talking to the paid skank joanna, who is the definition of dishonest.

NotCoach on April 1, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Get the younger voters and you will get the Latinos voters. Latinos are a younger generation.

terryannonline on April 1, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Listen if you have a plan on how to deport every single person who is not here legally, please share it. Other wise let sane people come to a solution ok.

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Pffft socialist, you just showed how new here you are. No lurking even before the open reg? Or just a dimwitted old troll, new name?

There’s a very easy way to “deport” them – hold employers accountable for their employees. Fine them or shut them down if they hire ILLEGAL employees. Do this across the country and see what happens.

This has been said here many times in the past.

You’re welcome.

kim roy on April 1, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Wow, that’s a lot of “I” statements. You must be black because you are as self-absorbed as the lazy stupid rat-eared coward in the White House.

Happy Nomad on April 1, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Yeah, the gnat-brain thinks that I need it to hate communism/socialism :)

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:52 PM

I am tired of this issue being the excuse to ignore our laws and constitution.

1. Close the border first.
2. Identify all illegal immigrants second
3. Deport any with previous criminal records.
4. Put the rest on strict probation period with a very structured and educational path to citizenship which they must pay for. (meaning they must have a JOB!)

This isn’t rocket science.

Skwor on April 1, 2014 at 1:28 PM

…it is…for our politicians it seems! Breaking laws…is just fine!

KOOLAID2 on April 1, 2014 at 1:52 PM

AllahPundit writes,

Look back at the Pew poll and you’ll find a further complication: It’s younger Latinos and recent immigrants who are the furthest left politically. Is that because they’re alienated from the GOP in a way that older generations, which watched Reagan sign the 1986 amnesty, aren’t? Or is it because broader political trends, like the leftward drift and lesser role of religion among younger voters generally, have delivered them there? The problem is more or less fixable depending upon how you answer.

No, it’s not. Immigrants have always voted Democrat. Always. Go back to Boss Tweed and it was still the same. That’s because the GOP has always represented core national values and groups, and the Democratic Party in that same time frame has always represented outsiders to those core values.

Hence, the Democratic Party is the default party outsiders typically identify with and vote for. The Democratic Party has been the main political party representing these outsiders to the core American experience since at least the late nineteenth century: Catholics, Jews, southerners, poor farmers wanting cheap money, Irish, African-Americans, gays, immigrants, Hispanics, single women, etc.

Occasionally, the GOP wins over a small sub-group of these “outsiders” – Cubans or Vietnamese during the Cold War, for example, who liked the party’s strong stance against communism. But that is a rare occurrence. The Republicans almost always represent those groups and people who identify strongly with core American values – the patriots, the nationalists, the successful and the striving, the traditionalists, etc. That’s the way it’s always been, and it’s not going to change anytime soon.

Real change only occurs when one of the outside groups begins to identify with core American values. This happened to both southerners and white Catholics in the last half century. Catholics were huge Democratic supporters until the 1970s, when the Democratic Party became too outré for many of them and they began migrating to the GOP. Catholics are now a swing vote. But if you consider just white Catholics, then they’re definitely a GOP core group.

It was the GOP’s support of traditional values that won over Catholics. They were turned off by the hippies and pacifists who took over the Democratic Party. Those Catholics identified with helping the poor, but not with sexual liberation or international communism. So they began leaving the party of Al Smith and JFK.

The same thing happened with white southerners. The Democratic Party had thrived with both southerners and blacks in its coalition through the fat years of the New Deal all the way to the inauguration of LBJ. But northern liberals began to put more of their weight behind the needs of African-Americans, alienating many white southerners.

The Civil Rights Era (1945-1965) was just the beginning of this. There were still a lot of white southern Democrats in the 1970s and even the 1980s. The final insult for southerners was the Democrats’ turn toward a McGovernite foreign policy. By the 1990s, the conversion was complete and the final Boll Weevils either retired (Lloyd Bentsen, etc.) or switched parties (Richard Shelby, etc.). At both the local and national level, white southerners started to identify as strongly with the GOP as they once had with the Democratic Party just fifty years before.

So the answer is, the GOP’s support for amnesty and continued high levels of immigration will do nothing for it. Outsiders to the core American experience are not going to vote for a political party which represents those values. Why should they?

Pincher Martin on April 1, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Terryannonline,

Get the younger voters and you will get the Latinos voters. Latinos are a younger generation.

Stop fooling yourself, dearie. You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Pincher Martin on April 1, 2014 at 1:55 PM

joana on April 1, 2014 at 1:34 PM

That right there bears repeating…

JohnGalt23 on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

O_o

No it doesn’t. Cheese Wheel dealt with it nicely and pointed out what a total apples/oranges comparison it was.

THIS bears repeating:

Eighty years ago they were not sucking up welfare benefits and they assimilated, learned the language do success, and didn’t have the democrats hauling them to their underclass plantation. They also came here LEGALLY. What is it with you idiots not understanding the word ILLEGAL?

Cheese Wheel on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

kim roy on April 1, 2014 at 1:55 PM

80 years ago Europeans were invited. Repeat it slowly. The GOP doesn’t write off Latinos…they write off the GOP. btw, millions of people didn’t sneak into this country in order to live in a south American socialist state. Latinos can get on board with Americans or go back where they came from. No hard feelings.

cajunpatriot on April 1, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Actually, they weren’t. They faced lots of troubles and prejudices in this country.

And the main post mentioned that these “ethnic whites” were generally Democrats. Irish Catholic Democrats for instance? Now, the ethnic whites are more Republican.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Read this very carefully.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:55 PM

IlliniDumbdiva on April 1, 2014

…fixed!

KOOLAID2 on April 1, 2014 at 1:55 PM

f*ing cowards.
too damn afraid to speak the truth or enforce the law because they care more about their job security.
if the surrender monkeys had any balls they would straight up say I will deport them then you would be surprised at the amount of support that person would get.
but no, its easier to give the law breakers a reach around and a SEVENTH (or so) round of amnesty and write pu$$y articles (not necessarily this one though) about it.

dmacleo on April 1, 2014 at 1:49 PM

This makes no sense… surprised by the amount of support? Does anyone support this, and if so how are they doing in polls?

If I’d be “surprised at the amount of support that person would get” why is it “easier to give the law breakers a reach around”?

Dash on April 1, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Get the younger voters and you will get the Latinos voters. Latinos are a younger generation.

terryannonline on April 1, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Hopefully they won’t have to be bribed by rewarding those who came here illegally. Will they? Is that how we do it nowdays? Citizenship for sale? Then they vote for our side?

butch on April 1, 2014 at 1:56 PM

The Pope told the US pope that he’s against all deportations from the US. The Pope loves the diminishing of the US and for the US to pay for the world socialism.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:41 PM

and this :
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/31/Catholic-Bishops-Push-for-Amnesty-Urge-Dept-of-Homeland-Security-to-Ease-Deportations
If these Catholic ” bishops” are so in to helping the drug cartels of mehico , why the heck don’t they move their azzes to mehico instead of burdening the US taxpayers here and making our streets lethal for us ?

burrata on April 1, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Eighty years ago they were not sucking up welfare benefits and they assimilated, learned the language do success, and didn’t have the democrats hauling them to their underclass plantation. They also came here LEGALLY. What is it with you idiots not understanding the word ILLEGAL?

Cheese Wheel on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

They didn’t set up cultural enclaves of their old country in America when they got here? There was no Little Italy or Chinatown or anything like that where they all tended to gather together and there were even published newspapers in the native language of the place they came from?

Cultural assimilation takes a generation or two. Always has.

alchemist19 on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

We are talking a difference between legal and illegal. Still not getting it. You too, illdiva. We knew who was here, on the rolls on Ellis Island. They didn’t have Obama and company offering them freebies paid by the tax payer. And again, they were legal. They wanted to be in the melting pot. These new young Latinos and Latinas, they want your wallet.

Cheese Wheel on April 1, 2014 at 1:57 PM

If we are talking about 10 million or 20 million illegals in this country, it puts us beyond deportation. The logistics of rounding up that many people and sending them back home is not practical. They may be here wrongly (illegal) but we can’t go back and change the progressive policies that allowed them to come here and stay here. We have to stop further illegal border crossings and deal with what we have here now.

tdarrington on April 1, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Typical HA response:

1. Foam at the mouth
2. Scream Amnesty!!!
3. Scream Treason!!!
4. Foam at the mouth
5. Tell them to FOAD.

John the Libertarian on April 1, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Immigration Reform = open border, literally.

The question isn’t just what to do with the millions who have flooded the low wage market. What the moneymen want is for unlimited numbers more. That’s the first reckoning really, because debate about amount of amnesty for those already here is going to be besides the point. Their long view is integration of the two nations and the debate needs to be about how to say no.

FrankT on April 1, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Eighty years ago they were not sucking up welfare benefits and they assimilated, learned the language do success, and didn’t have the democrats hauling them to their underclass plantation. They also came here LEGALLY. What is it with you idiots not understanding the word ILLEGAL?

Cheese Wheel on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

The gnatbrains, from both sides, also believe that money is just printed, and grows in banks…just like milk does at the grocery stores.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:58 PM

@notcoah

Lol. I am about to double shock you. I do not work for ebony and ready for this, I have Never, ever read ebony or jet or whatever other magazines out for black people. My thoughts are my own.

I mentioned that I am an immigrant and every time I say something he doesn’t agree with I get the go back to where you came from. Lol. Now he gets to say go back but now he can say Africa as well. Lol

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:58 PM

They didn’t set up cultural enclaves of their old country in America when they got here? There was no Little Italy or Chinatown or anything like that where they all tended to gather together and there were even published newspapers in the native language of the place they came from?

Cultural assimilation takes a generation or two. Always has.

alchemist19 on April 1, 2014 at 1:44 PM

As recently as the early 20th century, there were rural communities in which German was the only language spoken. Even back then immigrants didn’t just come over here and instantaneously adapt to the American culture, however assimilation almost happened overnight after the US entered World War I.

midgeorgian on April 1, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Eighty years ago they were not sucking up welfare benefits and they assimilated, learned the language do success, and didn’t have the democrats hauling them to their underclass plantation. They also came here LEGALLY. What is it with you idiots not understanding the word ILLEGAL?

Cheese Wheel on April 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

That’s revisionism. Who do you think that supported the urban political machines in the East? Why were they voting backbone of the New Deal Coalition? Poles, Italians or Irish were more reliably Democrat until the late 60s than Hispanics are today.

joana on April 1, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Paul included, have to take the “it’s our fault” line because they can’t afford to formally write off an entire demographic. The trick is convincing Republican base voters that it’s true.

If we don’t pass amnesty then we are writing off an entire demographic? That’s lazy thinking.

Wigglesworth on April 1, 2014 at 2:00 PM

This makes no sense… surprised by the amount of support? Does anyone support this, and if so how are they doing in polls?

If I’d be “surprised at the amount of support that person would get” why is it “easier to give the law breakers a reach around”?

Dash on April 1, 2014 at 1:55 PM

what part didn’t you understand?
of course nobody is polling well on it because nobody has had the balls to say it.
they think the constant appeasement actually helps when it doesn’t.
their mindset is that they will lose their job if they actually enforced the law.
they are wrong.
if a candidate had the brains and balls to stand up and say I will secure the border and deport illegal aliens and shows he/she meant it then that person would get a lot of support.

dmacleo on April 1, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Now he gets to say go back but now he can say Africa as well. Lol

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:58 PM

You put good Africans to shame.

There was a ‘doctor’ from Africa on HA a while ago. He claimed the same b/s you do, and was about as dumb too.

That doesn’t make all Africans dumb. It just makes you and him idiotic.

Welcome to the US of Zimbabwe. In many ways the US has surpassed Zimbabwe in stupidity, due to idiots like you.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 2:01 PM

@notcoah

Lol. I am about to double shock you. I do not work for ebony and ready for this, I have Never, ever read ebony or jet or whatever other magazines out for black people. My thoughts are my own.

I mentioned that I am an immigrant and every time I say something he doesn’t agree with I get the go back to where you came from. Lol. Now he gets to say go back but now he can say Africa as well. Lol

coolrepublica on April 1, 2014 at 1:58 PM

I was talking to Schadenfreude. Are you really white trying to pretend blacks are slow, or stupid, or something?

NotCoach on April 1, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Let’s just get rid of our borders and sovereignty altogether!

THAT should work out well.

Meople on April 1, 2014 at 2:02 PM

We are talking a difference between legal and illegal. Still not getting it. You too, illdiva. We knew who was here, on the rolls on Ellis Island. They didn’t have Obama and company offering them freebies paid by the tax payer. And again, they were legal. They wanted to be in the melting pot. These new young Latinos and Latinas, they want your wallet.

Cheese Wheel on April 1, 2014 at 1:57 PM

I was responding specifically to your contention that they all learned English and assimilated. It wasn’t quite the panacea you’re making it out to be. Some of them, especially the ones that came here later in life not only didn’t assimilate, a lot of them didn’t even tried to and structured their lives such that they wouldn’t have to by moving into areas with large concentrations of their former countrymen to facilitate their non-assimilation into American culture. Eventually their kids or grandkids who had almost no personal connection to their family’s former country that would assimilate.

alchemist19 on April 1, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Actually, they weren’t. They faced lots of troubles and prejudices in this country.

And the main post mentioned that these “ethnic whites” were generally Democrats. Irish Catholic Democrats for instance? Now, the ethnic whites are more Republican.

Illinidiva on April 1, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Actually they were invited. Whatever they faced when they got here has no bearing on the invitation. btw, they assimilated into the culture. Latinos refuse to do that for the most part.

cajunpatriot on April 1, 2014 at 2:03 PM

NotCoach on April 1, 2014 at 2:02 PM

It’ll take the gnatbrain a while to figure it out.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 2:03 PM

I think “touchback” is the key here. It’s important for anyone who wants to be American to go home, say goodbye, and then reapply the lawful way. If you don’t say goodbye to your former country, you cannot become a true American.

I also think it is important for all immigrants, in their journey to become Americans, to see the Statue of Liberty and pass through Ellis Island. It’s a humbling experience that many immigrants share.

monalisa on April 1, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Get the younger voters and you will get the Latinos voters. Latinos are a younger generation.

terryannonline on April 1, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Yup, and this generation that was primarily bred for food stamps and freebies is soooooooo dying to work hard and follow the laws of this country !!

burrata on April 1, 2014 at 2:03 PM

That’s revisionism.

joana on April 1, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Yeah, revisionism, because everyone that landed at Ellis Island were actually illegals. Are you skanking for Christie this time? just doing a little early groundwork before 2016?

NotCoach on April 1, 2014 at 2:04 PM

This is none other than the “Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations”.

All who are for breaking the laws, no matter by whom, assume that all minorities are too dumb to follow laws.

Shame on all of you.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 2:05 PM

No Republican running is going to make the same mistakes as Mitt Romney on this touchy issue.

Punchenko on April 1, 2014 at 2:06 PM

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