Quotes of the day

posted at 10:21 pm on April 1, 2014 by Allahpundit

Laura Christian’s daughter was 16 years old in 2005 when the Chevy Cobalt she was driving hit a tree. The air bag didn’t deploy, and Amber Marie Rose was killed.

In the past two months, General Motors has recalled more than 2.5 million vehicles worldwide after linking defective ignition switches in similar cars to air bag failures — and to 13 deaths and 31 crashes. And there are indications GM approved the switches in 2002 even though it knew they did not meet specifications

“Corporate executives made a decision that fighting the problem was cheaper and easier than fixing the problem,” said Christian, who is among those who say GM had plenty of warning over the years to recall the vehicles and fix the switches.

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Long before the Chevrolet Cobalt became known for having a deadly ignition defect, it was already seen as a lemon. Owners complained about power steering failures, locks inexplicably opening and closing, doors jamming shut in the rain — even windows falling out.

In more than 120 instances, General Motors was forced under state lemon laws to buy back faulty Cobalts, pay settlements to owners or let them trade in the cars, an analysis by The New York Times of state databases and court records shows. The buybacks came as dozens of claims were filed separately at G.M. from 2005 to 2009 that fit a specific pattern — moving cars, sometimes traveling at high speeds, would suddenly stop working…

“There were transmission issues, issues with the clutch, engine issues, air-conditioning issues,” James Gonzales of Riverview, Fla., said of his 2006 Cobalt, which G.M. repurchased under Florida’s lemon law. “Everything went wrong with that car, and everything that went wrong needed a big fix. Mechanically, it was a huge nuisance.”…

The automaker has linked 13 deaths to the defect in Cobalts and several other models. In her prepared remarks, filed with House investigators on Monday, Ms. Barra said, “I cannot tell you why it took years for a safety defect to be announced.”

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General Motors CEO Mary Barra evaded a series of pointed questions on Capitol Hill Tuesday, as members of a House panel searched for answers into why the company waited around ten years before taking drastic action to fix a defective ignition switch now linked to 13 deaths.

Many lawmakers implied that General Motors must have known that the company knew it had a serious problem, pointing out over 130 related consumer complaints from June 2003 to June 2012, litigation in which confidential settlements were reached, and a move in 2006 made by a GM engineer that slightly improved the switch without also changing the identification number. “Do you think it was a cover up or it was sloppy work?” charged Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R—Tenn.)

But Barra repeatedly dodged that line of questioning, telling lawmakers GM would be able to explain more about the delays after it completed its internal investigation opened a few weeks ago by former U.S. Attorney Anton Valukas. Barra told the committee she found out about the defective ignition switch on Jan. 31 this year, after an executive committee made the recall decision. The slow response, she said, was “unacceptable.”

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Fueling the outrage over the malfunction, DeGette said lawmakers obtained documents showing how GM had actually looked at possible fixes for the defect in 2005, but determined it would be too expensive to address.

The “unacceptable cost increase,” she said, turned out to be 57 cents apiece.

The congresswoman held up an ignition switch for one of the cars and said a small spring inside of it failed to provide enough force, causing the car engines to turn off when they went over a bump. DeGette showed how easy it was for a light set of keys to move the ignition out of the “run” position. That can cause the engine to stall, and the driver loses power steering and power brakes.

Asked later in the hearing about the apparent decision not to address the problem, Barra said she found it “very disturbing.”

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General Motors announced on Monday that it’s recalling more than 1.3 million vehicles that may experience a sudden loss of electric power steering. GM’s new recall comes after 2.6 million vehicles were recalled earlier this year for ignition-switch problems linked to 13 deaths.

GM models involved in the new recall include Chevy Malibus, HHRs and Cobalts, Saturn Auras and IONs, as well as Pontiac G6s from model years 2004 to 2010. GM says it will replace the vehicles’ power-steering motors, steering columns, power-steering motor-control units or a combination of those free of charge, depending on the vehicle.

The 2004–07 Saturn ION, 2009–10 Chevrolet HHR and the 2010 Chevrolet Cobalt were also included in the earlier ignition-switch recall.

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I am opposed to the death penalty, but to every rule there is usually an exception, and in this case I hope the criminals at General Motors will be arrested and made to pay for their pre-meditated decision to take human lives for a lousy ten bucks. The executives at GM knew for 13 years that their cars had a defective ignition switch that would, well, kill people. But they did a “cost-benefit analysis” and concluded that paying off the deceased’s relatives was going to be cheaper than having to install a $10 part per car. They then covered up their findings and continued to let millions drive around with the defective part in their cars. There would be no recalls. There would only be parents and the decapitated body parts of their dead children. See the USA in your Chevrolet. In 2007 a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration official recommended a formal investigation but was overruled by others in Bush’s “business-friendly” Transportation Department…

The Washington Post, in an otherwise good article (posted here), blames the whole sad affair on the “corporate culture” at GM. What a user-friendly term! To even have to read the words “culture” and “General Motors” in the same sentence is enough to make anyone gag. No, the cause of this tragedy is an economic system that places profit above everything else, including — and especially — human life. GM has a legal and fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders to make the biggest profits that it can. And if their top people crunch the numbers and can show that they will save more money by NOT fixing or replacing the part, then that is what they are going to goddam well do. F*** you, f*** me, and f*** everybody they sent to their deaths. That pretty much sums up their “culture”. They knew they wouldn’t get caught, and if they did, no one would ever serve any time.

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CBS Connecticut: “Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal is among those calling for GM to make a stronger statement and tell owners to stop driving their cars immediately. Blumenthal believes GM made a decision to hide the defect of ignition switches.”…

The problem is that we’ve been told for five years that General Motors was a national institution that had to be saved at all costs, including billions of taxpayer dollars. Now Democratic lawmakers are really, really eager to drop the hammer on GM for hiding the danger these cars presented to the public. That may be (and increasingly appears to be) completely justified, except the same crowd told us five years ago that all of us had to chip in to save this company, so they could keep making these cars that Blumenthal wants everyone to stop driving.

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President Obama, speaking at a GM plant in Lordstown, Ohio, September 15, 2009: “That program was good for automakers, consumers, and our environment,” Obama said of the Cash for Clunkers programs, “and the Chevy Cobalt that you build here was one of GM’s most sought-after cars under that program. Dealers across the country started running out of it and needed you to build more.”

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But the federal government is complicit is more ways than one.

GM, you’ll recall, had to be rescued by the taxpayers in 2009, and the federal stake was so large that the company was dubbed Government Motors when it went through bankruptcy. But bankruptcy rules require a disclosure of all liabilities as well as assets. By hiding the defect in its cars, GM may have committed bankruptcy fraud.

Beyond that, the utter failure of the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency to crack down on the defective ignition switch is an embarrassing failure. But regulatory agencies are a journalistic backwater, drawing a fraction of the coverage lavished on the White House, Congress and politics.

Even so, with GM’s CEO and the acting NHTSA chief scheduled to be hauled before a Hill committee today, you’d think there would be a drumbeat on the air. Yet if there have been many great cable segments on the subject, I’ve missed them.

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[GM executives] ought to be accompanied by former Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood, as well as “car czars” Steven Rattner and Ron Bloom, together with White House and Treasury officials who oversaw the government’s huge bailout of General Motors. Many–though not all–of the safety problems happened on their watch. In addition, LaHood and other Obama administration officials led a witch-hunt against Toyota during the same period.

It was LaHood who led the hysterical propaganda campaign against Toyota, telling the public that Toyotas were unsafe to drive because of sudden-acceleration problems. Democrats and the mainstream media piled on. Toyota did recall vehicles for a problem involving its floor mats, but the problems with Toyota’s electrical systems that were supposed to be causing its vehicles to accelerate out of control failed to materialize.

LaHood and the Obama administration attacked Toyota during a period when GM, now being run with direct input from the White House, had lost its #1 ranking in global auto sales. That was considered an urgent priority. So while the government was ignoring real and deadly safety problems at GM, it was trying to scare consumers about nonexistent problems at Toyota. The White House owes victims’ families, and the public, an explanation.

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The birth mother of Amber Marie Rose, the teen whose 2005 death was the first linked to an ignition switch problem that’s triggered a massive recall of General Motors vehicles, says that through a Facebook group for families of victims, she’s identified at least 29 fatalities due to the defect. GM only acknowledges 13 deaths.

“I found 29 so far myself,” . She said she’s determined the additional fatalities using crash data, police reports or eyewitnesses [who reported] the airbags did not deploy.”


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oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:29 AM

Are you talking about the inflatable Kate Upton puzzle?

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:31 AM

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 1:29 AM

God Bless and Good Night :)

Scrumpy on April 2, 2014 at 1:32 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:29 AM

Are you talking about the inflatable Kate Upton puzzle?

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:31 AM

Nope, just floatation devices in general…

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:33 AM

Jugs float.

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:34 AM

http://tinyurl.com/olbjcs9

Latest news on Chile Quake…

Scrumpy on April 2, 2014 at 1:35 AM

She was aghast at the size of my mast.

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:30 AM

She said “avast” and you heard “aghast” :)

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 1:35 AM

Kate Tectonics. Jugs Jiggle.

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:36 AM

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:27 AM

Yes..Now if you and Dave can fix the intercom button you all broke I will be set..:)

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 1:37 AM

The earth is on the move, it’s gonna get worse I think, more quakes and volcanic activity…

Scrumpy on April 2, 2014 at 1:37 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:29 AM

Yes indeed..:)

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 1:38 AM

williamg on April 2, 2014 at 1:35 AM

I didn’t see it, no tv, but heard about his April fools gag on the radio…

Scrumpy on April 2, 2014 at 1:38 AM

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 1:35 AM

hehe. No wonder she threw me overboard. Not fair since she is the one with the flotation devices.

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:39 AM

The earth is on the move, it’s gonna get worse I think, more quakes and volcanic activity…

Scrumpy on April 2, 2014 at 1:37 AM

Horrible news

kcewa on April 2, 2014 at 1:40 AM

kcewa on April 2, 2014 at 1:40 AM

It is and nothing we can do about it, I just hope the Caldera in Yellowstone doesn’t pop off…

Scrumpy on April 2, 2014 at 1:41 AM

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 1:37 AM

hahaha. Good one. (:

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:42 AM

Ok, it’s time for me to vamoose…

Good Night and God bless you late niters!!

Bye for now…

**Swoosh**

Scrumpy on April 2, 2014 at 1:43 AM

…..New Ink!!….On Cruz Control!…and Healthcare!….

williamg on April 2, 2014 at 1:35 AM

I like Ted Cruz. He would make a Good POTUS, in my personal opinion.

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:44 AM

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/593833-yellowstone-volcano-eruption-in-2014-some-believe-animals-are-fleeing-park-see-it-as-an-alert/

A number of bloggers are posting videos that show bison and other animals allegedly leaving Yellowstone National Park, prompting theories that as earthquakes ramp up the seismic activity will set off the Yellowstone supervolcano.

Bison are leaving YellowStone.

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:47 AM

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:42 AM

I was born in a wagon in of a travellin’ show.
My mama used to dance for the money they’d throw..:)

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 1:50 AM

A number of bloggers are posting videos that show bison and other animals allegedly leaving Yellowstone National Park, prompting theories that as earthquakes ramp up the seismic activity will set off the Yellowstone supervolcano.

Bison are leaving YellowStone.

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:47 AM

We’re doomed, doomed I tell you…

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:50 AM

Who doesn’t love Scrumpy?

Nobody

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:53 AM

Bison are leaving YellowStone.

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:47 AM

Ouch… they’re all taking to the highway

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:53 AM

I was born in a wagon in of a travellin’ show.
My mama used to dance for the money they’d throw..:)

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 1:50 AM

Papa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of Doctor Good
(:

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 1:54 AM

good evening HA land…hope all is well out there..

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 1:58 AM

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 1:58 AM

Hi. Bison are slower than mesons.

SparkPlug on April 2, 2014 at 2:01 AM

SparkPlug on April 2

bison can run 35 for a short distance..
Olympic sprinter carl Louis maybe 22ish..
how fast is a meson??

spent 20 summers in Yellowstone….rafting hiking camping…
know the area well..

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:04 AM

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 1:58 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 2:05 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:53 AM

Were the Mayans right??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 2:07 AM

could be the lead stud got a wiff of a young tender female down the road…bolted towards the smell.. the rest follow dutifully

so you never know…

evening DS..hows your world?

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:09 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:53 AM

Were the Mayans right??!!??..:)

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 2:07 AM

In what sense? That catastrophe would eventually strike? Well, certainly, that is how the universe works. In their prediction of exactly when, no.

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 2:21 AM

Good evening g2m…

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 2:21 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 2:21 AM

Good points..:)

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 2:22 AM

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:09 AM

It is all good..Hope you are doing well..:)

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 2:24 AM

I like Ted Cruz. He would make a Good POTUS, in my personal opinion.
oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:44 AM

He needs to clarify his position on legalizing illegal aliens.

bluegill on April 2, 2014 at 2:27 AM

evening mr wilde…

I have a question for you guys…

when BHOCare was sold to us they said 30 or 40 or maybe 50 million
people needed it bad…..crisis they said…health care crisis..

the 4 years and more than three times the bid cost of 900billion..
they have signed up 7.1 million…(I know its a lie but we need some input to do the math)

the insurance companies said ‘more than half’ of those already had insurance…

so lets just say for grins..3 million new paying happy non formerly
insured citizens are happy… maybe

the rest…criminals that will be run down by the IRS…
30-50 million new criminals….WOW….

the ACA Law has created more criminals than customers..

by at least 10 to 1 and maybe as much as 16 to 1…

and this is a success??

by what measure?

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:30 AM

IMO no cars are better than Toyota/Lexus.

Best value.

bluegill on April 2, 2014 at 2:31 AM

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 2:24 AM

well..I became a criminal today….never left the house…

so this is America now…..sad

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:33 AM

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:33 AM

lolz..I am sure you will be just fine..:)

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 2:43 AM

and this is a success??

by what measure?

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:30 AM

Please allow me to quote William “Bill from the Hood” Ayer’s to you from his radical Marxist pamphlet “Prairie Fires”. “It will eventually become necessary to eliminate 25 to 30 million Americans who will refuse to accept our new Marxist society” and by eliminate, he meant round up and put in concentrations camps and execute.

In order to identify those who will need to be rounded up and eliminated, you must have some act that will force them to respond in a manner that will give away their refusal to accept Marxism. What better way could their be, then to pass a law that those millions of people would refuse to abide by?

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 2:46 AM

and this is a success??

by what measure?

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:30 AM

No and No..ObieCare is still an ongoing disaster..:(

PS..It is what you call a hollow success..:(

Dire Straits on April 2, 2014 at 2:47 AM

the s.o.b. gave wavers and delays to every tom dick and sally…
in the unions or beltway or big business and his buddies…

never made it down to my pay grade..

I hope they have a striped suit in my size…
do you think the BHO Gulag serves a healthy menu??

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:50 AM

IMO no cars are better than Toyota/Lexus.
Best value.
bluegill on April 2, 2014 at 2:31 AM

Check out Ford F- anything.

frank on April 2, 2014 at 2:51 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:44 AM

He needs to clarify his position on legalizing illegal aliens.

bluegill on April 2, 2014 at 2:27 AM

You are a useless imbecile, worse than an infiltrator, worse than a traitor. A pawn playing a role for the enemies of the United States and too damned stupid to even know it. You don’t even have the moral or ethical values of a dung beetle, let alone the intelligence of a diseased gnat, do not talk to me, just go away.

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 2:51 AM

do you think the BHO Gulag serves a healthy menu??

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:50 AM

Don’t eat the green biscuits. <—- Insert shocked look here…

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 2:54 AM

Time for me to turn in, good night everyone.

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 2:57 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 2:46 AM

that clown should still be in prison to this day…Ayers

you think we could get a HA barracks in the Gulag ??…

I doubt they will round us up for this one..
the IRS can just take the money any time they want…
this….I know….
it will be interesting and new to see how they do it…

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:57 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 1:44 AM
He needs to clarify his position on legalizing illegal aliens.
bluegill on April 2, 2014 at 2:27 AM
You are a useless imbecile, worse than an infiltrator, worse than a traitor. A pawn playing a role for the enemies of the United States and too damned stupid to even know it. You don’t even have the moral or ethical values of a dung beetle, let alone the intelligence of a diseased gnat, do not talk to me, just go away.
oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 2:51 AM

And you are admittedly a drug addled freak who pissed away the birthrights of his ancestors. Why don’t you go away?

frank on April 2, 2014 at 2:57 AM

sleep well ow…cheers

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:59 AM

I doubt they will round us up for this one..
the IRS can just take the money any time they want…
this….I know….
it will be interesting and new to see how they do it…

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 2:57 AM

You are right, this will not be the one they round us up over, it is just the beginning of the weeding out process. This is how they will start to identify those of us who will not submit to Marxist domination. Those of us, for whom the decades of Marxist Indoctrination and Propaganda have failed to “Fundamentally Transform” into good little Marxists.

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 3:00 AM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 3:00 AM

the one they will roll us all up on…is the second amendment..

they will use things like this to identify..
and the lists of legal firearm owners..
lists of voters and votes..
affiliations..tea party ect…
and..off to the camps..

going2mars on April 2, 2014 at 3:03 AM

That’s what the Hell I thought.

frank on April 2, 2014 at 3:05 AM

Check out Ford F- anything.
frank on April 2, 2014 at 2:51 AM

I have heard good things about Fords. I am a creature of habit and keep going back to Camry over and over. I ready for something new. Ford is a good one to check out.

bluegill on April 2, 2014 at 3:15 AM

You are a useless imbecile, worse than an infiltrator, worse than a traitor. A pawn playing a role for the enemies of the United States and too damned stupid to even know it. You don’t even have the moral or ethical values of a dung beetle, let alone the intelligence of a diseased gnat, do not talk to me, just go away.
oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 2:51 AM

WTH? LOL.

Actually I just got back from Walgreens for some Claritin because I couldn’t sleep with these allergies. Decided to check up on this thread. That’s what dung beetle traitors usually do. Nice to see the love from HotAir at all times. Hehe

bluegill on April 2, 2014 at 3:18 AM

Cobalt? Obamacare? Same defective product by the same defective elites.

Don L on April 2, 2014 at 5:16 AM

)bama is the GM of government.

rob verdi on April 2, 2014 at 6:21 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. I’m sorry I missed the talk about genealogy last night. It’s raining here in western Ohio. Supposed to do that for 3 days and 3 nights. I plan to build a boat. On the other hand I live on a lake and there are already boats.

I think it would be neat if the volcano went off. I don’t suppose there is one under DC.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 6:31 AM

I think it would be neat if the volcano went off. I don’t suppose there is one under DC.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 6:31 AM

Probably not. We would have heard that the National Park Service shut it down during last October’s shutdown.

But speaking of DC. The 24th largest city in America (around the size of Nashville or Denver) had a primary election for mayor yesterday. Polls closed at 8pm. It took elections officials until after 10pm to even report the early voting results and this morning the winner is known but there are still 20% of the precincts outstanding……..

And these people think they can be the 51st state.

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 7:01 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.

If you’re lying, you’re lying.

- John C. Maxwell

My take: Obama’s Obamacare Victory Dance: Figures Lie and Liars Figure

kingsjester on April 2, 2014 at 7:17 AM

And you are admittedly a drug addled freak who pissed away the birthrights of his ancestors. Why don’t you go away?

frank on April 2, 2014 at 2:57 AM

Not sure about the rift between OW and BG. Have talked with OW a few times and he was very nice to me and have yet to converse with BG. Have tried to talk with BG about amnesty, but our posts seemed to have just passed each other by. I do read both of their posts and I am sure they will work things out. At some point in time we all build up a history that has to be eventually dealt with and that will of course include me at some point it time I am sure.

Now about OW’s past……..mine makes him look like a choir boy. I have no aversion to throwing a few stones myself, but seems with age; mine have gotten too big for me to pick up anymore.

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 7:22 AM

My take: Obama’s Obamacare Victory Dance: Figures Lie and Liars Figure

kingsjester on April 2, 2014 at 7:17 AM

I’m getting the sense that you’re a bit skeptical of the administration’s claims. ;0

If the Rand Corporation’s estimates are correct less than 1M people who didn’t have insurance now have some sort of heavily subsidized plan. How many more millions have been thrown into chaos and now have far worse and far more expensive healthcare as a result?

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 7:29 AM

My take: Obama’s Obamacare Victory Dance: Figures Lie and Liars Figure

kingsjester on April 2, 2014 at 7:17 AM

Cool title. Moving out to read it Sarg.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 7:31 AM

I wonder if the assembly workers knew it was bad? In assembly lines I’ve worked at, when you have a bum part, they will find it first. Then management tells them to shut up and install it

It’s possible the workers are so cowed they wouldn’t say poop with a mouthful.

We need to put the American man back in manufacturing.

Lonetown on April 2, 2014 at 7:33 AM

I think it would be neat if the volcano went off. I don’t suppose there is one under DC.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 6:31 AM

Good morning COL. Have a 20 minute ride on a two lane highway before I get onto expressway most mornings. No street lights on the road, lots of critters, and few autos. Speed limit is 45mph. This morning a car/truck was behind me and I speed up to 52mph ‘cause folks fly on this road in the morning before school starts. After a while the driver is on my bumper and I can’t see his headlights; which is not all that unusual as I drive a rather large pick-up truck. I turn my turn signal on and pull into a church parking lot so the driver can safely go around me and for my effort the dude hangs me the bird. I just chuckled.

Of course, met up with the driver at the green/red light to get onto the expressway and I was very nice and stayed two care lengths back as to not antagonize the impatient soul driving.

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 7:34 AM

Thanks Hawkdriver.

HN, it’s mind-boggling, isn’t it?

kingsjester on April 2, 2014 at 7:36 AM

I think it would be neat if the volcano went off. I don’t suppose there is one under DC.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 6:31 AM

Some older tectonic fault lines that rumble rarely and without the force of a truly active fault zone. You get more isostatic rebound quakes in states once covered by the last glaciation than you get quakes in the DC area. With that said the entire thing is built on reclaimed swampland and the rivers that border it tell you where the surface ground water level is, so even a minor quake might turn the entire place into a bowl of semi-fluid dirt. Might not sink but might start flowing downhill.

Most people like to use the last couple of eruptions of Yellowstone to think about its ashfall pattern, but do note that is its major ashfall zone: the ones at the Gulf of Mexico can range up to 10′ thick. As the hotspot moved through WA/OR causing the flood basalt layers there, it didn’t do much real eruption, but when it ran out of oceanic plate to go through, its pattern gets the Snake River canyon. Some of those eruptions had ashfall patterns that got 3′ of ash on the Hudson Bay in Ontario, Canada. Up to 6′ near Knoxville, TN and there are fossil beds in TN and KY that show just how far Yellowstone can put its major ashfall. Note that is like being nearby Mt. St. Helens when it erupted, outside of the immediate thick fall zone you got ash accumulating on buildings, clogging engine intakes and causing damage to jet engines… up to 600 miles away from that major ashfall.

Consider the ash from Mt. St. Helens to be a sugar cube. A box of sugar cubes is Krakatoa. A 3′ cube shipping case is Yellowstone.

The deal with Yellowstone is that the major zone covers most of CONUS with a few feet of ash getting thicker as you head towards WY. Expand the light to moderate ash zone due to the scale of Yellowstone and you get that ashfall covering most of North America. The high level particulates are thrown up much, much further than even Krakatoa and they begin to reflect sunlight. Typically Yellowstone doesn’t have one eruption event, but a cycle with a long period of eruptions that continue to spew ash into the air. Thus the global climate trend is reinforced downward for years.

Yellowstone goes the major breadbasket of North America vanishes under ash. The rest of the world sees years without summers in both the northern and southern hemispheres.

The best place to be to survive one of the megacaldera eruptions?

Off planet.

It is not a nice planet.

It is a so-so starter home that requires a lot of DIY and is always ready to pull something unexpected on you. Life can evolve on it, but then most of the species die out due to mass extinction events because the Earth is a large target and the Moon can’t stop everything. Jupiter thins out a lot of the stuff that would threaten the inner solar system, but it can’t do everything. The Earth revolving around the sun is a cosmic bullseye and the planet, itself, is a sleeping mass-murderer… if you have to anthropomorphize Mother Earth, picture her more from Psycho than from some gauzy painting with some thin veil covering her. No one bothers to show the butcher’s axe next to the lovely bowl of fruit nor the blood on her feet. She is so nice, right up to the moment she isn’t.

The Toba megacaldera eruption thinned early man down to about 70,000 individuals trying to get out of East Africa to survive the collapse of the ecosystem due to Toba. Toba is smaller than Yellowstone. Mankind is much better dispersed than it was 70,000 or so years ago. We might get a million survivors in the tropics if Yellowstone goes on one of its nastier cycles. And we’ve known that its been an active volcano ever since it was photographed by air and geologists pieced together its actual scale. And we are killing off the way off planet due to our lovely, Elitist social viewpoints… space won’t feed the poor… but it will allow humankind to survive.

Priorities, you know!

ajacksonian on April 2, 2014 at 7:38 AM

Of course, met up with the driver at the green/red light to get onto the expressway and I was very nice and stayed two care lengths back as to not antagonize the impatient soul driving.

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 7:34 AM

It would be nice to be around when somebody like that has an accident. The trouble is they sometimes kill other people.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 7:42 AM

Good article KingsJester.

I know that I sound like a broken record when I make these comments, but if this had been the Bush Administration. I listened to talk radio on the road the other day and listened to a Chuck Todd clip on the Limbaugh Show say, this settles the question of repeal. With all of these people signed up now, there is no way to turn back.

I dare say if it were Bush and the figures from your article from The Daily Mail were available, Chuck Todd et al would have an entirely different take. It would sound something like this.

“With the realization that this misleading administration was lying about the enrolled numbers during the farce in the Rose Garden it must be conceded now that this law is an abject failure and can now easily be repealed.”

I’m holding back with the all-caps … but I am increasingly frustrated/agitated with the media lying for this man. Calmly states without all-caps … It’s nothing short of state sponsored propaganda.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 7:43 AM

I wonder if the assembly workers knew it was bad? In assembly lines I’ve worked at, when you have a bum part, they will find it first. Then management tells them to shut up and install it

Lonetown on April 2, 2014 at 7:33 AM

That’s probably a moot point after years of production. The workers knew the car was defective. Management knew the car was defective. But the real question is why it took so long for the government (which owned GM for most of this period) to get around investigating- even as they went out after Toyota.

Bottom line Obama and the Dems had a vested interest in GM and didn’t care how many people died as a result. This should be a bigger scandal than the Ford Pinto.

Happy Nomad on April 2, 2014 at 7:48 AM

I’m holding back with the all-caps … but I am increasingly frustrated/agitated with the media lying for this man. Calmly states without all-caps … It’s nothing short of state sponsored propaganda.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 7:43 AM

I keep telling congress people that the longer they let this go on the more entrenched it becomes. I can only assume they want it too. Probably about money. Obungle said it’s doing what it’s supposed to do. Unfortuneately they aren’t saying what it actually is supposed to do. ..make money for them and their cronies and create more control over the populace.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 7:49 AM

I’m holding back with the all-caps … but I am increasingly frustrated/agitated with the media lying for this man. Calmly states without all-caps … It’s nothing short of state sponsored propaganda.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 7:43 AM

I call them the government media because they are obviously owned by the government. They aren’t lying for him. They are owned by him and his marxist handlers.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 7:51 AM

Good morning COL. Have a 20 minute ride on a two lane highway before I get onto expressway most mornings. No street lights on the road, lots of critters, and few autos. Speed limit is 45mph. This morning a car/truck was behind me and I speed up to 52mph ‘cause folks fly on this road in the morning before school starts. After a while the driver is on my bumper and I can’t see his headlights; which is not all that unusual as I drive a rather large pick-up truck. I turn my turn signal on and pull into a church parking lot so the driver can safely go around me and for my effort the dude hangs me the bird. I just chuckled.

Of course, met up with the driver at the green/red light to get onto the expressway and I was very nice and stayed two care lengths back as to not antagonize the impatient soul driving.

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 7:34 AM

That type of driver mentality never fails to amaze me HL. I’ve got a funny story about driving yesterday myself. I was working on my driveway loop laying out crush and run and needed to get some diesel for my tractor. Also being the manly man work that it is, I decided a few Yuengling Dark Ales to have sitting on the deck admiring it with Mrs Hawkdirver (not her real name) would be awesome so I pulled off the pumps and parked to buy those. Coming back out carrying the ale, I see this smaller gentleman sitting in the sun up against the store and he’s been there the whole time. Looks tired and sad and I ask if he’s okay. He says, Yeah just tired of waiting for my ride. I ask how long have you been waiting and he says hours. I ask if he’s ready to go now and I start heading down the highway with him. About 5 miles down the road he’s looking, looking for his driveway to turn and then he goes, “Oh here, here!” Hawk brakes too fast, I hear the 5 gallon diesel container smack the front of the bed and dude behind beeps like I’m an idiot. And I was at that point of course. Okay, not his driveway. So, he says sorry and we back out into the highway and take him to his real driveway. I hop out check the bed and the fill spout of the can is broken and I have diesel in the bed floor and I walk back to the cab and dudes still sitting there. I ask, this is your place, right? (wondering why he’s still sitting in the cab). And says “Yeah, hey I know this’ll be strange after you giving me a ride and all, but can I have one of your beers?”

Um, sure? Little dude hops out and he’s cranking it back before he even gets to his porch. True story.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:01 AM

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 7:51 AM

Both great comments COL.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:02 AM

Um, sure? Little dude hops out and he’s cranking it back before he even gets to his porch. True story.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:01 AM

I wonder if he really lived there. Funny story.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 8:04 AM

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:01 AM

I wonder if he really lived there. Funny story.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 8:04 AM

Well, then I should probably be arrested for depositing little drinking dudes all over the county.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Well, then I should probably be arrested for depositing little drinking dudes all over the county.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:10 AM

It just occurred to me that maybe he tried to buy some and didn’t have money so he waited for somebody like you to come along to donate some.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 8:15 AM

Paul Ryan was just on Fox to talk about his new budget and he said we are “showing the American people” such and such. They aren’t showing the American people anything because the government media won’t report it. The media is our biggest enemy. We must stop them or we will never win.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 8:17 AM

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:10 AM

It just occurred to me that maybe he tried to buy some and didn’t have money so he waited for somebody like you to come along to donate some.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 8:15 AM

I think he probably lived there. Who knows. Staying with relatives to work. I thought about him sitting on the deck. :-)

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:33 AM

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 7:34 AM

You are far too nice. I always let them borrow some of the Rain-x I have on hand. Never did figure out how the passagers side wiper water thingy got that far out of whack. GM !?!? Did I mention the trailer hitch? ; ) They must like it a whole lot. They always back off to have a better look at it.

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 8:35 AM

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:01 AM

That is a cool story. Did you lay 57 stone first before the crush and run or is the soil clay/chert like?

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 8:36 AM

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Morning Bmore and I bet you will enjoy the weather today. Thanks for the tip yesterday and you are top notch like a bunch of folks around here.

Nice?…….about 95% of the time. The other 5% is very ulgy and suff of legends have been make from that little 5% when it gets out of control. Not proud at all of losing it from time to time, but now only happens about once ever five years or so.

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 8:43 AM

That is a cool story. Did you lay 57 stone first before the crush and run or is the soil clay/chert like?

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 8:36 AM

Clay sand. Worked well.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:50 AM

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 8:43 AM

The weather is superb. Unfortunately I will be inside for the majority of it. Work. Oh well have to earn a little more than usual. Seems folks have that expectation of me. ; )

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 8:53 AM

I really need four or so tandem loads of clay. Not much in the forest. Mostly rock and such. ; )

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 8:54 AM

I really need four or so tandem loads of clay. Not much in the forest. Mostly rock and such. ; )

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 8:54 AM

I need sand for the garden. That area is too much clay.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:58 AM

I need sand for the garden. That area is too much clay.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:58 AM

I had some lime I used mostly for pots and now I’ve run out but apparently it’s impossible to buy it in small amounts and it’s all pellitised.

crankyoldlady on April 2, 2014 at 9:00 AM

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:58 AM

I should think sand not too hard to come by out your way.

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 9:18 AM

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 8:58 AM

I should think sand not too hard to come by out your way.

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 9:18 AM

It is and not too expensive either. There’s just no pure sand areas on in “The Compound” to get it from. I figure two dump trucks for about an acre garden and pumpkin patch.

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 10:29 AM

hawkdriver on April 2, 2014 at 10:29 AM

; )

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 11:25 AM

frank on April 2, 2014 at 2:57 AM

Not sure about the rift between OW and BG. Have talked with OW a few times and he was very nice to me and have yet to converse with BG. Have tried to talk with BG about amnesty, but our posts seemed to have just passed each other by. I do read both of their posts and I am sure they will work things out. At some point in time we all build up a history that has to be eventually dealt with and that will of course include me at some point it time I am sure.

Now about OW’s past……..mine makes him look like a choir boy. I have no aversion to throwing a few stones myself, but seems with age; mine have gotten too big for me to pick up anymore.

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 7:22 AM

Read enough of Bablefish’s posts and you will figure out what I am talking about. It engages in Alinsky tactics against anyone it doesn’t like Politically, strives with great passion to divide and conquer the Republican base, believes only in the ideology that the End Justifies the Means. In short, the only difference between it and the Democrats it claims to loath, is it’s asserted party affiliation.

frank, now frank is our resident war hero, he11, he has a DD214 nearly as authentic as Obama’s Birth Certificate. Martin Luther King once said, that he dreamed of a time when a person would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

Personally, I would rather be judged according to the multitude of the indiscretions of my youth, then by the content of franks character. My grandfather and my father both served honorably in the United States Air Force, my Stepfather and two of my brothers in the United States Navy, I grew up in Military housing, and even to this very day, the majority of my friends are either currently serving or retired Military.

In short, I have been surrounded by American Military people my entire life, I have rarely met individuals of whom the United States Military seemed to have so completely failed to impart a sense of honor or dignity, as it appears to have with frank.

One of the things my Stepfather, brother and friends have taught me over the years, is that having served in the United States Military does not automatically mean that the individual who has done so is worthy of respect simply because they served. The enormous respect I have for our Military personal is based not on their service, but on the aggregate content of their character.

franks behavior here at HA displays all the character and dignity of a 4th grade petulant school yard bully. Not exactly the content of character that my personal experience over the last 45 years has taught me to expect of individuals who served in the United States Military with honor, dignity or distinction.

More reminiscent of one of the dirty smell hippies who were drafted during the Vietnam war, who spent the entire duration of their service years hating the Military and the government that forced them into service. A hatred and resentment that found it’s natural transference to the citizens of the United States.

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Bmore, for your db:

Tsar of Earth and

themuppet

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 12:40 PM

chuckh too, Bmore

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM

clay and sand in NC? I’m shocked!

Murphy9 on April 2, 2014 at 1:02 PM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM

And obviously you can give citations to buttress all these lies. Yea, that’s what I thought.

Now run along to the medicine cabinet and do what you do best.

frank on April 2, 2014 at 2:18 PM

I hope the criminals at General Motors will be arrested and made to pay for their pre-meditated decision to take human lives for a lousy ten bucks.

Allah, we all dream, but realize that GM is/was Obama’s car company, he stacked the executive ranks with fellow lefties and then gave it to the union thugs.

Instead of jail time much more likely will be Obama giving GM a bunch of our money as a bailout to make up for all the bad publicity.

RJL on April 2, 2014 at 3:29 PM

themuppet

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Got em. This one was already on added the other two. Too bad about that Tsar one.

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 4:46 PM

oscarwilde on April 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Too be sure, some folks around here don’t dig the cut of franks jib. Truthfully I haven’t followed that aspect of him. frank seems okay to me though. He has always been courteous to me and I in turn am courteous to him. Maybe it will all end up being one big misunderstanding. ; )

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 4:57 PM

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