Open thread: Are you ready for the ObamaCare victory lap?

posted at 3:41 pm on April 1, 2014 by Allahpundit

4:15 p.m. ET all across the dial. I’m looking forward to this the way I am to dental work, or to a new season of “The Walking Dead.” Our media, of course, is more excited. Here’s what landed in my inbox a few hours ago, fresh off the news that the White House has kinda sorta reached seven million sign-ups.

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There’s no suspense about O’s announcement. Pelosi revealed earlier this afternoon that they have in fact reached seven million according to whatever definition of “enrollment” HHS is using right now. As you’ll see below, Carney was even more specific at today’s briefing, reminding us yet again that the White House is fully capable of producing up-to-the-minute data about enrollment when it’s in their political interest to do so. The big reason to watch O’s presser is to see if they saved any tidbits for him: If in fact the risk pool has improved and now consists of ~40 percent or so of young adults, or if they have to reason believe that a majority of new enrollees were previously uninsured, that’s news that Obama himself might want to break. Otherwise, this is just his way of using the bully pulpit to make things a bit easier for Democratic incumbents. Voters will spend the next seven months hearing from Republicans how the law is a trainwreck in progress. This is Obama’s big chance to reassure fencesitters that, with the enrollment target now reached, HHS is “on track” for good things. All is proceeding as hath been prophesied by our central planners/seers.

I think Phil Klein’s right as usual. The takeaway from today isn’t the precise number but rather the fact that a lot of people are now dependent upon this law, which makes the task of repeal a heavier lift than it seemed at New Year’s.

When Obama made his now-infamous promise that if people liked their health care plans they could keep them, he did so because he understood that any significant changes to the health care system would cause disruptions, so he needed to reassure Americans that their plans wouldn’t be affected by what he was proposing. It was a clear lie, but one that was rooted in an understanding of political realities.

If Republicans had taken over the White House last year and pursued the repeal of Obamacare, they could have done so at a time when the law’s beneficiaries were mostly theoretical. Now, however, Republicans will be facing the same problem Obama did. Only more so, because they’ve invested so much in the idea that nobody can lose coverage as a result of health care legislative changes.

The launch phase of the law was a test to see if Democrats could get the public to more or less accept the new system as a replacement for the old one by participating in it en masse. That phase is now over. Here’s the new phase:

Of course they wouldn’t. No wonder the White House tech team is popping the champagne today. Here’s Carney taking a little victory lap of his own, and naturally jabbing at Boehner and the Republicans in doing so.


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Where exactly are Boehner, McConnell and Reince Priebus today anyway?

Marcus Traianus on April 1, 2014 at 5:05 PM

The number of “sign-ups” that actually benefit from the law is much smaller than 7 million.

mbs on April 1, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Where exactly are Boehner, McConnell and Reince Priebus today anyway?

Marcus Traianus on April 1, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Signing up for Obamacare?

sandee on April 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Michael Steel ‏@michael_steel 4m

.@samsteinhp Gotta repeal to replace. Like you don’t always have to say “cute beagle” because everyone knows all beagles are cute.
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canopfor on April 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM

An Empty Bag will not stand upright!!!

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Even when filled with shit?

Bmore on April 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Are you ready for the ObamaCare victory lap?

Victory lap?? HAHHAHHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

More like Participation Trophy.

ToddPA on April 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Hah, Drudge has Biden and obama up, top/center, with caption “April Fools” :)

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Even when filled with shit?

Bmore on April 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM

That would hold up, for a time, then stinky, stinky…like obama/Biden, the ones who always attract flies, as you know.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Where exactly are Boehner, McConnell and Reince Priebus today anyway?

Marcus Traianus on April 1, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Drunk on champagne, with obama.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Meh.

Who cares about faux orchestrated media efforts and push polling. The desperation of the left is unbecoming.

ObamaCare is a massive failure. And the only poll that matter will be conducted in November 2014 & 2016.

Norwegian on April 1, 2014 at 5:11 PM

The very negative outcomes (high costs, high deductibles, high cancellations of previous policies as well as employer based coverages) of Obamacare will continue, and even intensify.
Obama crowing about the “success” of Obamacare will only further erode his credibility and his favorability as people weigh his definition of success with their own painful experiences with Obamacare.
This temporary and illusory image of success will quickly fade, and people will realize they are still stuck with an unworkable, expensive government program which removes their ability to choose, and endangers their financial and physical welfare.

bobthm3 on April 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM

As usual, the only Republican speaking out about this charade is Ted Cruz.

fight like a girl on April 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM

canopfor on April 1, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Sickening….

sandee on April 1, 2014 at 4:41 PM

sandee: Yups,…Progressive *MindSet*:)

canopfor on April 1, 2014 at 5:14 PM

They will have to hide the numbers the insurance companies put out to the public to keep the stock prices up once the loses mount up.

It will end up as stock fraud operations where they have to pull strings with the Security and Exchange Commission.

New motto of the commie Democrats ” Hide the Decline”..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 1, 2014 at 5:15 PM

An Empty Bag will not stand upright!!!

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Even when filled with shit?

Bmore on April 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Bmore:———–:0
=======================

Jim Lahey’s Shit Storm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjMkqFmRGL4

canopfor on April 1, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Hammer and sickle/falx

Hammers and falces

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

fight like a girl :

Ted is working with Obama’s head.

He went on FoxNews this morning… showing off a April fools day tattoo, showed it big time for the cameras..

The man Obama hates the most.. tattoo of “Winston Churchill….”

Cruz knows how to get under O’holes skin for sure….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

No way in hell that they got anywhere near 7 million.

Are we all just going to accept their lies unchallenged?

Vera on April 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Obama boasts 7.1 MILLION have signed up to Obamacare – but study shows just 858,000 newly insured Americans have paid up!

Flora Duh on April 1, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Flora Duh:

Well,..I’m banking on,..it was GaffeBidens Math that was used!!–:0

canopfor on April 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

fight like a girl :

Ted is working with Obama’s head.

He went on FoxNews this morning… showing off a April fools day tattoo, showed it big time for the cameras..

The man Obama hates the most.. tattoo of “Winston Churchill….”

Cruz knows how to get under O’holes skin for sure….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

That…would be teh awesome

22044 on April 1, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Obama boasts 7.1 MILLION have signed up to Obamacare – but study shows just 858,000 newly insured Americans have paid up!

Flora Duh on April 1, 2014 at 5:17 PM

858,000 sounds a lot more realistic to me. What happened to the other 40 million uninsured that this bill was passed to insure?

Kaffa on April 1, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Well now that it’s an unmitigated success, let’s all run on it in November!
-Said absolutely no democrat, ever.

rick_blaines_forehead on April 1, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Vera,

We will not, the RNC in private will not, but for the cameras the RNC and the RINO’s will play dumb so well it will be real.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 1, 2014 at 5:22 PM

canopfor on April 1, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Lol. ; )

Bmore on April 1, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Hammers and falces

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Typo?

Hammers and feces.

Bmore on April 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Obama care is so good, so perfect that Obama is going to cancel all his executive orders tomorrow and let the Affordable Health Care Act stand on its on merits.

After all they met the goals and then some, just read the AP reports.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 1, 2014 at 5:24 PM

ps

Ted’s tattoo was a temporary,,,,

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 1, 2014 at 5:26 PM

858,000 sounds a lot more realistic to me. What happened to the other 40 million uninsured that this bill was passed to insure?

Kaffa on April 1, 2014 at 5:21 PM

If you keep asking questions like that, I predict that there will be a FEMA camp in your future.

RickB on April 1, 2014 at 5:26 PM

My question is: Where is the Republican leadership?

Why aren’t they challenging this? Fighting it? Trying to combat the lies? They are letting Obama and the media create the narrative.

You know damn well if for example this were a Republican administration having a press conference touting the benefits of a policy they passed, for example tax cuts, that the democrats would be having a press conference of their own, getting infront of every camera and microphone they have, to discredit the Republican claims. Harry Reid would be calling the Republicans liars, Nancy Pelosi would trot out some human prop like kids and use them as why it is bad policy, etc.

Republicans need to do more than just prepared statements released by their public relations spokespeople. That’s not going to cut it, thats like trying to put out a fire by peeing on it.

tcufrog on April 1, 2014 at 5:28 PM

No way in hell that they got anywhere near 7 million.

Are we all just going to accept their lies unchallenged?

Vera on April 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

The nice thing about this lie is that if it isn’t true (and it isn’t) the whole ponzi scheme will eventually implode- starting when the CBO has to see real numbers to score the costs.

Put another way, I put more trust in Nigerian princes trying to get money out of the country than I do in anything a lazy stupid rat-eared idiot says in the Rose Garden before a carefully screened audience of parasites and other supporters who contribute nothing to our society other than breeding the next generation of parasites.

Happy Nomad on April 1, 2014 at 5:28 PM

He’s like a basketball player after a 110-109 double OT win- “We crushed them! It was so easy, we didn’t even break a sweat! We’re the best ever- Nobody can touch us!”

tdarrington on April 1, 2014 at 5:29 PM

The nice thing about this lie is that if it isn’t true (and it isn’t) the whole ponzi scheme will eventually implode- starting when the CBO has to see real numbers to score the costs.

Then it will be called the Republican-lead healthcare overhaul

tdarrington on April 1, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Then it will be called the Republican-lead healthcare overhaul

tdarrington on April 1, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Well, the GOP would have to do something other than yell at Ted Cruz for them to get any of the blame. Boehner and McConnell have not exactly been adding chapters to Profiles in Courage by the way they’ve ignored Obamacare these past three years. They need to go.

Happy Nomad on April 1, 2014 at 5:33 PM

He’s like a basketball player after a 110-109 double OT win- “We crushed them! It was so easy, we didn’t even break a sweat! We’re the best ever- Nobody can touch us!”

tdarrington on April 1, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Except that the score is more like 63-109 with a corrupt scorekeeper that just adds “points” to make it seem like the game is close.

Happy Nomad on April 1, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Well, I have to give the worthless little sack of dog squeeze credit. He finally did something that is painfully transparent.

cornbred on April 1, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Ah more of the dependent class. Drunk on big government….

redistribution of wealth works just as planned.

CW on April 1, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Anybody who didn’t think they were going to “magically” hit that precious 7 million enrollment mark by today probably also thought the unemployment rate in October 2012 would never get below 8%. But lo and behold, 7.9% just in time for the election.

Goody2Shoes on April 1, 2014 at 5:44 PM

When Sebilius first tossed out the number, you just know they cranked up the magical unicorn on its skittle production.

John the Libertarian on April 1, 2014 at 5:44 PM

. What happened to the other 40 million uninsured that this bill was passed to insure?

Kaffa on April 1, 2014 at 5:21 PM

More like….42,000,000 to 43,000,000

This is a victory for the President?

CW on April 1, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Let The Chosen One have his “victory” lap. Then let’s see all the happy faces when the ‘temporarily suspended’ parts of ObamaCare start being enforced.

GarandFan on April 1, 2014 at 5:48 PM

What happened to the other 40 million uninsured that this bill was passed to insure?

Kaffa on April 1, 2014 at 5:21 PM

UUUmmm…er..aaahhh…ummmm….racisssssttt !

burrata on April 1, 2014 at 5:48 PM

WooHoo 7 million people probably have gone to the screwed up web site (still doesnt count as paid customers) and lets all sit anxiously waiting for the insurance companies to roll out the cost for said “enrolled” people for next year! I hear this line coming next “we should go to single payer at a high cost like that”?

DustInCa on April 1, 2014 at 5:51 PM

The millions of ObamaCare beneficiaries are going to be vastly outnumbered by the tens of millions of those screwed over by ObamaCare who are now forced into plans that are more expensive and worse.

Leftists are usually better at hiding the wealth transfers but this time it’s more obvious.

gwelf on April 1, 2014 at 5:53 PM

So, when it crashes and burns the AP report will be…

“Tea Party Republicans started it all with a street demonstration that got out of hand and they stormed the House and Senate and set fire to Pres. Obama’s health care operation and all the hospitals, all the doctors offices, all the nursing homes and its all talk radio and conservative blogs fault cause they reported the truth….!”

AP: put it on the wire….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 1, 2014 at 5:54 PM

I know I fought against The ACA, but lost. Seems the folks, well 51% of the folks will get what they asked for, but the rest of us are along for the ride and will experience the same pain.

Learned a long time ago to eat when you can; sleep when you can; and fight when you must. For reasons too long to list, there is not an ACA hill to die on at this point.

My Liberal friends will see this as a great victory and are more than willing to accept substandard health care as part of the overall battle for “fairness” and “equality”.

The line in the sand I drew was crossed many years ago and I am prepared. I learned a long time ago to respect the enemy….and the enemy is now us. Do more with less is more than a motto.

Hey, it is what it is and time to adapt. Good afternoon my friend Schade. Always good to see your words.

HonestLib on April 1, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Lies kill, truth is life.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on April 1, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi emerged into the sunlight April 1 to applaud a rush of sign-ups for Obamacare, and immediately described it as the long-sought goal of Gen. George Washington and the nation’s Founding Fathers in 1787.

“It is really so heart warming for those of us who worked so hard [to make sure] many more people in our country would have access to healthcare,” she told reporters at the stakeout position just outside the West Wing portico.

“There are those critics, bumps in the road, but they’ve only been turbulence. They have not been an obstacle to the American people having healthier life that our that our founders wanted for them,” she said.

Those founders wanted “life — a healthier life — liberty and the freedom to pursue their happiness, not [be] job-locked, but having benefits that having health-care policies that are portable, they could be self-employed, be a photographer — they could start their own business, they could change jobs, they could reach their aspirations,” she declared.

“And isn’t that a wonderful thing for a society and for an economy?” she added.

Read more:

How the heck would she know, she knows nothing about the history of this country’s founding?

Oh, wait, Washington probably told her personally.

Flora Duh on April 1, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Too damn funny. The “beneficiaries” of Obamacare ?

Right. One million uninsured now have insurance.

Six million that had affordable health insurance were kicked off their old plans and are now the “beneficiaries” of health insurance that 1) costs more every month, 2) has higher deductibles and co-pays, 3) all to cover things they don’t need or to subsidize a) 26 year old children, b) the unhealthy that cannot be charged more for their conditions, or c) women that use more health care on average than men, but now do not have to pay for that gap.

Yeah, how in the world would you ever be able to explain repealing Obamacare to all these super happy “beneficiaries”.

deadrody on April 1, 2014 at 6:02 PM

So c’mon all ye Progressives celebrating today.
Go ahead and run in November on this “success” as fake as it may be.
I DOUBLE DARE YA!

Pelosi Schmelosi on April 1, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Too many posts to read. My questions are as follows:

* How many of these seven million paid their first payment?
* How many of these seven million make it to their third payment?
* How many of these seven million were UNinsured previously?
* Has the rate of UNinsured dropped now that we’re committed to spending upwards of on to two trillion dollars to cure this terrible problem of the uninsured? By how much has the rate dropped, and at what price per newly covered individual?
* How many millions lost their insurance due to Obumblecare?
* How much have premiums gone up in the past year?
* How much will premiums go up next year?
* How much have deductibles risen in the past year?
* How much will deductibles rise in the next year?
* How many employer-plan policy holders will lose their insurance as their employers drop it due to the mandates raising costs into next year?

All of the answers to these questions will reflect negatively upon Obumblecare. Smoke and mirrors on this great victory for the Dems and their lead-weight of this law.

xNavigator on April 1, 2014 at 6:03 PM

More like Participation Trophy.

ToddPA on April 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Thanks, I needed that.

talkingpoints on April 1, 2014 at 6:05 PM

My Liberal friends will see this as a great victory and are more than willing to accept substandard health care as part of the overall battle for “fairness” and “equality”.

HonestLib on April 1, 2014 at 5:56 PM

So you are admitting that liberals really are THAT dumb?!

Because the fundamental problem with health care was never that some tiny percentage were uninsured, or that adults up to age 26 couldn’t stay on their parent’s plans, let alone that paying ten bucks or so per month was just too damned much for birth control pills.

THIS is the hill you all fought on so you could pay more for less coverage in the name of “fairness” and “equality”.

I guess that really says all you need to know about where this country is headed – third world, banana republic status.

deadrody on April 1, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Let’s keep the facts straight, at least those we know.

7 million did not sign up for “Obamacare”. Obamacare is the law that disrupted the health insurance industry. They all “signed up” for insurance from one of many insurance companies through healthcare.gov.

Industry analysts estimate that about 20% of those signing up through healthcare.gov have not paid their premium, and are not, therefore, actually enrolled in a health insurance plan.

About 6 million were forced off their existing health insurance as those policies did not meet “Obamacare’s” new standards. These are the ones most likely to use healthcare.gov to get compliant health insurance. They needed or wanted health insurance and would be motivated to get insurance.

So out of the 7 million (if you can believe the government’s numbers), about 1 million or so didn’t pay their premiums and don’t have health insurance. Of the remaining 6 million, most had health insurance before and signed up for insurance through healthcare.gov.

That leaves about nobody who was previously uninsured and now has health insurance.

So exactly why was $600 million spent on a website that doesn’t work? What has been done to provide health insurance to the uninsured? Exactly nothing. All that has been done is raise premiums, raise deductibles, restrict access to doctors and hospitals, and put millions through the stress of getting replacement insurance, when most were happy with the insurance they had.

GAlpha10 on April 1, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Let The Chosen One have his “victory” lap. Then let’s see all the happy faces when the ‘temporarily suspended’ parts of ObamaCare start being enforced.

GarandFan on April 1, 2014 at 5:48 PM

Indeed. The fake victory lap will be but a memory when the truth of the horrible numbers becomes a reality and Obamacare implodes in on itself as insurance prices skyrocket as a direct result of the unsustainability of the federal exchange.

This really should be the final nail in the coffin of “liberals know best, big government solutions” to any and every problem. Every bit of this was predicted and there almost surely will be enough people that realize the bill of goods they were sold.

deadrody on April 1, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Where exactly are Boehner, McConnell and Reince Priebus today anyway?

Marcus Traianus on April 1, 2014 at 5:05 PM

..not to attribute any intelligence to these unholy three, but it’s probably a better idea to refrain from making any comments that might sound like sour grapes. This turd will stink up the room all by itself over the coming days and weeks — just like ti has in the past.

As one of said above, “Go ahead, Dems, run on this ‘success’ in November! I triple-dog dare ya!”

The War Planner on April 1, 2014 at 6:09 PM

If I were King President for a day I would outlaw the word “folks”. So tired of hearing it.

tdarrington on April 1, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Last year at the beginning of ObamaCare there were about 6 million people who had their policies canceled. Therefore the prospect of repealing ObamaCare should not be an big concern. Not that much difference between canceling 6 million or 7 million. Especially considering that ObamaCare policies are a train wreck.

The policies with very high deductibles which also includes the costs of prescriptions is contrary to most group plans.

Dasher on April 1, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Obama boasts 7.1 MILLION have signed up to Obamacare – but study shows just 858,000 newly insured Americans have paid up!

Flora Duh on April 1, 2014 at 5:17 PM

That will be linked on Drudge soon.

Wigglesworth on April 1, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Four years and counting and the apocalypse has not yet arrived, despite the prophesies of so many on this site. Must be a shortage of crystal balls out there.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Any GOP candidate who wants my vote has to promise absolute repeal.

Anything else, and I vote third party.

DRayRaven on April 1, 2014 at 6:14 PM

FUBO

i will keep pushing for repeal until my RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES are restored.

I will not be a slave to the government dictating my healthcare.

Nor will I submit to this fake “7 million” number which has no basis in reality and is obvious propaganda. (Really… show me the plans purchased… Surely they know how many of each plan have been purchased? How much money will be generated in the next 30 days from these “accurate” 7 million people numbers?

Look for a quiet restating of the numbers in 30 days.

Skywise on April 1, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Four years and counting and the apocalypse has not yet arrived, despite the prophesies of so many on this site. Must be a shortage of crystal balls out there.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM

The medial industry as you know it has already been destroyed. You’re just too stupid and ignorant to notice.

Or did you expect the media to actually inform you of that fact?

Skywise on April 1, 2014 at 6:16 PM

When Carney was pressed on how many have actually paid, he hemmed and hawed about it. To me, his body language said, “What difference does it make?”

bflat879 on April 1, 2014 at 6:17 PM

This really should be the final nail in the coffin of “liberals know best, big government solutions” to any and every problem. Every bit of this was predicted and there almost surely will be enough people that realize the bill of goods they were sold.

deadrody on April 1, 2014 at 6:09 PM

..I’m thinking that, if the GOP does not step on its dick in November and retakes the Senate, then they will have a more attentive American public (inured to Obama’s 6-year skien of F-Ups) who will log and note all of the bills they pass that will die on the Pantload’s doorstep.

Hey! I can dream, can’t I?

The War Planner on April 1, 2014 at 6:17 PM

I’m actually going to enjoy them running their victory laps…because a few months or a year from now all kinds of bad things are going to happen to people who bought into this boondoggle and it’s not going to be pretty. I feel bad for those who quit their jobs to sign up for government subsidies and become artists and writers…they’ll get put at the bottom of the care pile while the wealthy will get premium care.

scalleywag on April 1, 2014 at 6:18 PM

The medial industry as you know it has already been destroyed. You’re just too stupid and ignorant to notice.

Or did you expect the media to actually inform you of that fact?

Skywise on April 1, 2014 at 6:16 PM

It’s was doing OK when I dropped by for a series of appointments and procedures last December. Something might have happened since then, my good friend the family practitioner didn’t seem perturbed about The State of the Medical Industry when we were out Saturday night.

Reality doesn’t actually conform to your paranoid fantasies, you know.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Classic Mark Levin rant to open the show. He’s on fire today.

TarheelBen on April 1, 2014 at 6:20 PM

..I’m thinking that, if the GOP does not step on its dick in November and retakes the Senate, then they will have a more attentive American public (inured to Obama’s 6-year skien of F-Ups) who will log and note all of the bills they pass that will die on the Pantload’s doorstep.

Hey! I can dream, can’t I?

The War Planner on April 1, 2014 at 6:17 PM

The people are already waking up – But Obama’s government has already divorced itself from the people’s control. You either agree with him or you’re a racist bigot and he will do what he wants anyway. If this attitude gets entrenched in our government (and the GOP is complicit in this because they refuse to reign in the executive office) then you can kiss this country goodbye and we will be under one party rule within 10 years. They’re running the Venezuela playbook to a T.

Skywise on April 1, 2014 at 6:21 PM

If you smoke enough Choom, you will see 7 million, dude……

Krupnikas on April 1, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Four years and counting and the apocalypse has not yet arrived, despite the prophesies of so many on this site. Must be a shortage of crystal balls out there.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM

So how old is the jiziahCAIR today in it’s enforcement ?

burrata on April 1, 2014 at 6:23 PM

How many morons will believe Obozo’s claims that 1 million signed up overnight? This guy lies just for the sake of it. He even lied about what he and the Pope talked about. Which one would you believe?

stacman on April 1, 2014 at 6:24 PM

It’s was doing OK when I dropped by for a series of appointments and procedures last December. Something might have happened since then, my good friend the family practitioner didn’t seem perturbed about The State of the Medical Industry when we were out Saturday night.

Reality doesn’t actually conform to your paranoid fantasies, you know.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Awww… did you get your prescribed aspirin? Did you answer honestly if you owned guns? Goodie for you.

The FACT of the matter is that the hospitals have laid off nearly a third of their staffs nationwide and consolidated services to one or two hospitals. All of the doctors at my local practice. ALL. OF. THE. DOCTORS. AT. MY. LOCAL. PRACTICE. have QUIT, will no longer accept medicare and will do independent consultations, cash only.

You’re delusional… but then so were the people in Guyanna… enjoy that purplesaurus rex.

Skywise on April 1, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Four years and counting and the apocalypse has not yet arrived, despite the prophesies of so many on this site. Must be a shortage of crystal balls out there.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM

It has only recently begun to be implemented – and your Messiah keeps delaying implementation of major portions of it. And he also keeps exempting his buddies from it.

Despite Harry Reid’s lies, the American people are experiencing this disaster on a daily basis. One of my nieces had her policy canceled, and my brother-in-law’s premiums doubled – because of this law.

TarheelBen on April 1, 2014 at 6:26 PM

deadrody on April 1, 2014 at 6:06 PM

One viewpoint is that they are “THAT dumb”. Trust me the other viewpoint is that they are “THAT dedicated” to the cause. Much more than regular folks. They are wiling to march off any cliff to push their agenda forward.

HonestLib on April 1, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Four years and counting and the apocalypse has not yet arrived, despite the prophesies of so many on this site. Must be a shortage of crystal balls out there.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Maybe you missed where the emperor suspended the heaviest hammer blows until after the election this year (save for the poor saps previously insured on the open market, who now probably constitute a majority of Obama’s new enrollees).

crrr6 on April 1, 2014 at 6:30 PM

The repeal of Obamacare would not mean that anyone’s insurance would be cancelled. They all have insurance through some health insurance company, not from “Obamacare”.

GAlpha10 on April 1, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Just did the rounds on the MSM outlets. All reporting 7 million at face value. We know that some portion of that are the 5-6 million who were canceled, but they don’t even mention that in the headline.

Does anyone have any ideas about how we’re supposed to overcome this propaganda war?

crrr6 on April 1, 2014 at 6:35 PM

ObamaCare = COMMON CORE

Willys on April 1, 2014 at 6:36 PM

It’s was doing OK when I dropped by for a series of appointments and procedures last December. Something might have happened since then, my good friend the family practitioner didn’t seem perturbed about The State of the Medical Industry when we were out Saturday night.

Reality doesn’t actually conform to your paranoid fantasies, you know.

urban onanist on April 1, 2014 at 6:20 PM

I’m guessing that if you are dating your doctor you will get pretty good service.

Not a typical case.

slickwillie2001 on April 1, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Four years and counting and the apocalypse has not yet arrived, despite the prophesies of so many on this site. Must be a shortage of crystal balls out there.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM

If the Democrats have anything to do with it it’s going to be counting forever. They can write the law, but they want nothing to do with the political fall out, so they keep delaying, and delaying, and delaying.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 6:36 PM

It’s was doing OK when I dropped by for a series of appointments and procedures last December. Something might have happened since then, my good friend the family practitioner didn’t seem perturbed about The State of the Medical Industry when we were out Saturday night.
 
Reality doesn’t actually conform to your paranoid fantasies, you know.
 
urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:20 PM

 
Ask him if he takes medicaid patients, and, if not, why not.

rogerb on April 1, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Four years and counting and the apocalypse has not yet arrived, despite the prophesies of so many on this site. Must be a shortage of crystal balls out there.

urban onanist on April 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Barry has delayed “the apocalypse” by his 37 or so fatwas on the piece-of-crap Obamacare and the delaying of the group plans mandate. Group plans account for 80% of policies.

slickwillie2001 on April 1, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Just did the rounds on the MSM outlets. All reporting 7 million at face value. We know that some portion of that are the 5-6 million who were canceled, but they don’t even mention that in the headline.

Does anyone have any ideas about how we’re supposed to overcome this propaganda war?

crrr6 on April 1, 2014 at 6:35 PM

We either fight it with truth as well as demanding the simple answers to 8 simple questions that should be ‘easy peasy’ for the most open and transparent Administration to answer…

Interesting how this Administration spends months saying they don’t know…

…how many have paid their initial premiums despite CMS requiring monthly reports on this from the exchange partner insurance carriers?

…how many just put their policy choices in the ‘shopping cart’ and never took the transaction to the next stage?

…the demographic breakdown of all exchange (state and federal) enrollees even though all of the enrollment requirements include collecting the prospective policy holder’s demographic information?

…how many previously had insurance that was cancelled as ‘substandard’?

…how many didn’t have any health insurance?

…how many that didn’t have any health insurance are young and healthy whom are critical for the economic viability of the exchanges?

…how many required subsidies and how much in subsidies were paid?

…how many were new Medicaid enrollees who qualified under the expanded Medicaid qualifications?

Until these questions are answered – we don’t have the data. Oh, and all of this data needs to be made public and be independently audited / verifiable. After all, this is the most open and transparent Administration ever.

Athos on April 1, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Or we just give up and surrender to the Ministry of Truth and the most mendacious, callous, arrogant, feckless, and fascist US Administration ever…

There is no other option. We fight or lose.

Take heart, they can’t and will not answer any of those simple 8 questions…and their arrogant behavior should not have surprised anyone because those numbers came right out of Nurse Ratched’s butt.

Athos on April 1, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Awww… did you get your prescribed aspirin? Did you answer honestly if you owned guns? Goodie for you.

The FACT of the matter is that the hospitals have laid off nearly a third of their staffs nationwide and consolidated services to one or two hospitals. All of the doctors at my local practice. ALL. OF. THE. DOCTORS. AT. MY. LOCAL. PRACTICE. have QUIT, will no longer accept medicare and will do independent consultations, cash only.

You’re delusional… but then so were the people in Guyanna… enjoy that purplesaurus rex.

Skywise on April 1, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Well, maybe there were other reasons your doctors quit, because here in my neighborhood, that’s not a problem. And I’m waiting for a link on the other parts of your statement.

Despite Harry Reid’s lies, the American people are experiencing this disaster on a daily basis. One of my nieces had her policy canceled, and my brother-in-law’s premiums doubled – because of this law.

TarheelBen on April 1, 2014 at 6:26 PM

I’d be curious for real details. Whenever one of these cases makes Fox News or some interest group ad, it turns out that the people affected were covered by subsidies, had rip-off insurance in the first place or didn’t understand the system.

Maybe you missed where the emperor suspended the heaviest hammer blows until after the election this year (save for the poor saps previously insured on the open market, who now probably constitute a majority of Obama’s new enrollees).

crrr6 on April 1, 2014 at 6:30 PM

The apocalypse, like the Messiah, is always just around the corner. You should try growing a beard and holding up a “The End Is Near” sign.

I agree with you partially, though. Obama did screw up by embracing a right-wing, Heritage Foundation/Mitt Romney approach when a decent single payer plan with the option to buy private insurance on top of basic care would have been simpler and cheaper.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Obama Administration announces that all Payments for ObamaCare are not due until November 7th, 2014.

portlandon on April 1, 2014 at 6:46 PM

It’s was doing OK when I dropped by for a series of appointments and procedures last December. Something might have happened since then, my good friend the family practitioner didn’t seem perturbed about The State of the Medical Industry when we were out Saturday night.

Reality doesn’t actually conform to your paranoid fantasies, you know.

urban onanist on April 1, 2014 at 6:20 PM

I think you said you live in NY. My uncle is an ophthalmologist in Queens. He called to inquire about participating in the NY exchange and wanted to know the reimbursement rates. They told him they wouldn’t disclose the reimbursement schedules until he agreed to participate in the exchange.

Just curious, have you ever taken a job for which you didn’t know your compensation levels until you signed the work contract? No, you haven’t because that’s insanity. I suspect your friend either isn’t doing the exchanges, he’s desperate for business or otherwise a liberal moron, blinded by his ideology – or perhaps a little of both.

crrr6 on April 1, 2014 at 6:46 PM

I’m guessing that if you are dating your doctor you will get pretty good service.

Not a typical case.

slickwillie2001 on April 1, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Actually, he’s a buddy, and we’ve never even kissed.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:46 PM

First of all. The left shouldn’t be gloating period. The argument against Obamacare was never about the website sucking eggs. That was merely an example at their ineptitude. But now they are happy that after a trillion and three years someone was able to buy something on the internet! Wow, amazing. Next thing you know I’ll be able to buy other things on the internet! They must be giddy when someone files their taxes on line.

Minnfidel on April 1, 2014 at 6:47 PM

It’s was doing OK when I dropped by for a series of appointments and procedures last December. Something might have happened since then, my good friend the family practitioner didn’t seem perturbed about The State of the Medical Industry when we were out Saturday night.

Reality doesn’t actually conform to your paranoid fantasies, you know.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Cool story, bra.

I agree with you partially, though. Obama did screw up by embracing a right-wing, Heritage Foundation/Mitt Romney approach when a decent single payer plan with the option to buy private insurance on top of basic care would have been simpler and cheaper.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Thanks for the laugh. Single payer, roflmao. Obama has already f.ucked up the healthcare for this country for generations. Single payer is an even worse option. But no surprise an ignorant toad like you would think otherwise.

HumpBot Salvation on April 1, 2014 at 6:48 PM

I’d be curious for real details. Whenever one of these cases makes Fox News or some interest group ad, it turns out that the people affected were covered by subsidies, had rip-off insurance in the first place or didn’t understand the system.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

LOL, and more bullshit. Seriously, fukktard try reading something other than media matters.

HumpBot Salvation on April 1, 2014 at 6:49 PM

The apocalypse, like the Messiah, is always just around the corner. You should try growing a beard and holding up a “The End Is Near” sign.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Damn, I can’t stand a liar. You know the President has illegally delayed every bad aspect of this law that might cause Democrats some electoral difficulties, but you want to play these lying games. You are a piece of crap.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 6:52 PM

I agree with you partially, though. Obama did screw up by embracing a right-wing, Heritage Foundation/Mitt Romney approach when a decent single payer plan with the option to buy private insurance on top of basic care would have been simpler and cheaper.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

So you never ever ever evvvaaah heard of
KilleryCare ?

burrata on April 1, 2014 at 6:52 PM

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Details? Why should I give you details when your messiah won’t even give the American people details about the 7.1 million number he throws around. As for my brother-in-law, he’s a small business owner and he’s self-insured. Naturally, his premiums skyrocketed because of all the new crap his policy must cover because of Obamacare’s mandates. It’s not hard to understand. What’s hard to understand is why liberals like you always deny reality and the basic laws of economics.

TarheelBen on April 1, 2014 at 6:53 PM

The apocalypse, like the Messiah, is always just around the corner. You should try growing a beard and holding up a “The End Is Near” sign.

I agree with you partially, though. Obama did screw up by embracing a right-wing, Heritage Foundation/Mitt Romney approach when a decent single payer plan with the option to buy private insurance on top of basic care would have been simpler and cheaper.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

There were about 5-6 million people on the open market that were canceled when the individual coverage mandates hit. There are something like 50-80 million people enrolled through work, and those coverage mandates were unilaterally suspended until next year for political reasons.

So, you can be a clown and whistle past the graveyard and pretend that we’re overreacting, but you know we’re right. That’s why out the other side of your mouth, you just admitted that your partisan takeover of the healthcare industry is a catastrophe.

crrr6 on April 1, 2014 at 6:53 PM

crrr6 on April 1, 2014 at 6:46 PM

You’re uncle probably owns his own practice while his friend probably works for a hospital. While the Democrats give plenty of lip service to small business owners they don’t do much else for them.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Thanks for the laugh. Single payer, roflmao. Obama has already f.ucked up the healthcare for this country for generations. Single payer is an even worse option. But no surprise an ignorant toad like you would think otherwise.

HumpBot Salvation on April 1, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Actually, single payer works as well or better than our system in a number of different countries — as measured by any number of studies — at a much lower cost. This why you never ever actually see other countries’ electorates voting for politicians who promise to bring the mess that is our system to them.

Damn, I can’t stand a liar. You know the President has illegally delayed every bad aspect of this law that might cause Democrats some electoral difficulties, but you want to play these lying games. You are a piece of crap.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 6:52 PM

No, he used his legal authority to delay aspects that will cause political headaches but which will, as the website thing did, finally resolve themselves into a functional system that delivers needed health care to people the Republican Party doesn’t give a rat’s butt about.

The apocalypse is not imminent.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Gotta love the RINO apologists in the ‘conservative’ media going right along with Obama’s little victory lap. The GOP establishment wants to incubate the belief that nothing can be done now and it starts with the seed being planted by their friends in the media.

Wigglesworth on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

finally resolve themselves into a functional system that delivers needed health care to people the Republican Party doesn’t give a rat’s butt about.

The apocalypse is not imminent.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Excuse me while I…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

22044 on April 1, 2014 at 6:59 PM

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