Open thread: Are you ready for the ObamaCare victory lap?

posted at 3:41 pm on April 1, 2014 by Allahpundit

4:15 p.m. ET all across the dial. I’m looking forward to this the way I am to dental work, or to a new season of “The Walking Dead.” Our media, of course, is more excited. Here’s what landed in my inbox a few hours ago, fresh off the news that the White House has kinda sorta reached seven million sign-ups.

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There’s no suspense about O’s announcement. Pelosi revealed earlier this afternoon that they have in fact reached seven million according to whatever definition of “enrollment” HHS is using right now. As you’ll see below, Carney was even more specific at today’s briefing, reminding us yet again that the White House is fully capable of producing up-to-the-minute data about enrollment when it’s in their political interest to do so. The big reason to watch O’s presser is to see if they saved any tidbits for him: If in fact the risk pool has improved and now consists of ~40 percent or so of young adults, or if they have to reason believe that a majority of new enrollees were previously uninsured, that’s news that Obama himself might want to break. Otherwise, this is just his way of using the bully pulpit to make things a bit easier for Democratic incumbents. Voters will spend the next seven months hearing from Republicans how the law is a trainwreck in progress. This is Obama’s big chance to reassure fencesitters that, with the enrollment target now reached, HHS is “on track” for good things. All is proceeding as hath been prophesied by our central planners/seers.

I think Phil Klein’s right as usual. The takeaway from today isn’t the precise number but rather the fact that a lot of people are now dependent upon this law, which makes the task of repeal a heavier lift than it seemed at New Year’s.

When Obama made his now-infamous promise that if people liked their health care plans they could keep them, he did so because he understood that any significant changes to the health care system would cause disruptions, so he needed to reassure Americans that their plans wouldn’t be affected by what he was proposing. It was a clear lie, but one that was rooted in an understanding of political realities.

If Republicans had taken over the White House last year and pursued the repeal of Obamacare, they could have done so at a time when the law’s beneficiaries were mostly theoretical. Now, however, Republicans will be facing the same problem Obama did. Only more so, because they’ve invested so much in the idea that nobody can lose coverage as a result of health care legislative changes.

The launch phase of the law was a test to see if Democrats could get the public to more or less accept the new system as a replacement for the old one by participating in it en masse. That phase is now over. Here’s the new phase:

Of course they wouldn’t. No wonder the White House tech team is popping the champagne today. Here’s Carney taking a little victory lap of his own, and naturally jabbing at Boehner and the Republicans in doing so.


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You’re uncle probably owns his own practice while his friend probably works for a hospital. While the Democrats give plenty of lip service to small business owners they don’t do much else for them.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 6:54 PM

He does own his own practice. He’s also scared to death about the legal liability of EMR’s. Says he can’t get to retirement fast enough.

crrr6 on April 1, 2014 at 7:00 PM

You’re uncle probably owns his own practice while his friend probably works for a hospital. While the Democrats give plenty of lip service to small business owners they don’t do much else for them.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 6:54 PM

This. Doctors in NYC get paid cash. ( I know, I pay one.) Doctors in any big city can run a medical practice without participating in any government run program or insurance because of the sheer number of patients available.

It’s was doing OK when I dropped by for a series of appointments and procedures last December. Something might have happened since then, my good friend the family practitioner didn’t seem perturbed about The State of the Medical Industry when we were out Saturday night.

Reality doesn’t actually conform to your paranoid fantasies, you know.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:20 PM

This is like someone in Washington,DC not “believing” that the economy is suffering! It’s a big country out here… crack open your closed mind and realize that not every city is like yours. What are you 12?

2L8 on April 1, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Speaking of legal authority and rat’s butts:
 

“We have no plans to extend the open enrollment period,” HHS official Julie Bataille said. “In fact, we don’t actually have the statutory authority to extend the open enrollment period in 2014.”
 
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hhs-we-lack-statutory-authority-extend-obamacares-open-enrollment-period_784621.html

rogerb on April 1, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Actually, single payer works as well or better than our system in a number of different countries — as measured by any number of studies — at a much lower cost. This why you never ever actually see other countries’ electorates voting for politicians who promise to bring the mess that is our system to them.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Name the countries and the studies Einstein.

oldroy on April 1, 2014 at 7:02 PM

We need that cocky quote by libfree. Unless it’s on another page!

22044 on April 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM

It’s was doing OK when I dropped by for a series of appointments and procedures last December. Something might have happened since then, my good friend the family practitioner didn’t seem perturbed about The State of the Medical Industry when we were out Saturday night.
 
Reality doesn’t actually conform to your paranoid fantasies, you know.
 
urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:20 PM

 
Ask him if he takes medicaid patients, and, if not, why not.
 
rogerb on April 1, 2014 at 6:39 PM

 
I really would be interested to hear you explain why he doesn’t accept medicaid patients.

rogerb on April 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM

No, he used his legal authority to delay aspects that will cause political headaches but which will, as the website thing did, finally resolve themselves into a functional system that delivers needed health care to people the Republican Party doesn’t give a rat’s butt about.

The apocalypse is not imminent.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Ok he delayed the mandate not to cause himself a political headache but to mitigate one for this fall, namely thousands if not millions getting kicked off their employer-provided plans. Did you not catch that part?

I hope you are feigning stupidity. If not, God help you.

Erich66 on April 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM

No, he used his legal authority to delay aspects that will cause political headaches but which will, as the website thing did, finally resolve themselves into a functional system that delivers needed health care to people the Republican Party doesn’t give a rat’s butt about.

The apocalypse is not imminent.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

We’ll see if it’s as legal as his ability to make recess appointments when Congress isn’t in recess. I’m sure that case will be hitting the SCOTUS at some point. As I understand it the insurance companies will be doing away with now illegal insurance policies for people who have their insurance supplied by their employers at the end of this year. How many of those will lose their employer sponsored insurance? That’s a dead line that he can’t just magically move.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Ok he delayed the mandate not to cause himself a political headache but to mitigate one for this fall, namely thousands if not millions getting kicked off their employer-provided plans. Did you not catch that part?

I hope you are feigning stupidity. If not, God help you.

Erich66 on April 1, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Urby is the April Fool. And the May Fool, and the June Fool, and so on.

22044 on April 1, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Actually, single payer works as well or better than our system in a number of different countries — as measured by any number of studies — at a much lower cost. This why you never ever actually see other countries’ electorates voting for politicians who promise to bring the mess that is our system to them.

Complete Bullshit.

No, he used his legal authority to delay aspects that will cause political headaches but which will, as the website thing did, finally resolve themselves into a functional system that delivers

needed health care to people the Republican Party doesn’t give a rat’s butt about.

The apocalypse is not imminent.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57

And even more bullshit.

You truly are a dumbfukk.

HumpBot Salvation on April 1, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Urban Einstein? What countries are you speaking of? And the studies? Oh, could you outline the costs?

oldroy on April 1, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Another one of those really knowledgeable folks who can’t seem to answer any questions… just like verby… just like ‘disco. I am disappointed.

oldroy on April 1, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Actually, single payer works as well or better than our system in a number of different countries — as measured by any number of studies — at a much lower cost. This why you never ever actually see other countries’ electorates voting for politicians who promise to bring the mess that is our system to them.

Single payer sort of works in thimble sized Scandinavian homogeneous countries that share a common lifestyle, diet and work ethic. In other words, they’re different from us in every way. Put 30 million illegal Mexicans in any one of those systems, and it would collapse overnight. Hint: that’s why they’re not ferrying in 3rd worlders.

American leftists can’t even manage a system where you’re just defining private coverage options and demanding that everyone buy a policy. Oh yeah, you’ve also run the Medicare single payer into 10′s of trillions of debt.

No, he used his legal authority to delay aspects that will cause political headaches but which will, as the website thing did, finally resolve themselves into a functional system that delivers needed health care to people the Republican Party doesn’t give a rat’s butt about.

The apocalypse is not imminent.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Resolve themselves? Is that liberal speak for “voters anger waning over their new stratospheric premiums”?

crrr6 on April 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Actually, single payer works as well or better than our system in a number of different countries — as measured by any number of studies — at a much lower cost. This why you never ever actually see other countries’ electorates voting for politicians who promise to bring the mess that is our system to them.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

This is the kind of logic defying crap that politicians peddle that I hate. We’ll give everybody free health care and reduce price. Do you really belief that, and if you do then you’re an idiot. We shouldn’t get too smug thought, since we have our own version of that. Republicans think you can export millions of jobs and increase prosperity.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Actually, single payer works as well or better than our system in a number of different countries — as measured by any number of studies — at a much lower cost.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

In that case, you’re just delusional. Regarding Britain’s NHS, the ‘preferred’ model for the US by one of the ACA architects….

Massive fraud and waste….

‘On the brink of collapse’

Killing off 130K elderly per year because of costs and neglect….

Appalling care leads to hundreds of deaths….

In Canada – there’s an average of a 6 to 9 month wait to see an oncologist in Ontario – even if the patient is a WW2 vet supposedly eligible for expedited care as my uncle is.

Stats and studies can always be skewed – just look at the crap the Obama Administration regularly releases, or the IPCC ‘studies’ on climate change, or the regularly cited garbage that name Cuba as one of the nations with the world’s best healthcare…and Dr’s earning $60 per month.

There is NOTHING the government can do in the public sector that is better and more efficient than the private sector. That’s just the nature of the beast. Freedom and liberty, as messy as it is, is always better than totalitarianism and top down control from clueless ideologues.

Athos on April 1, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Bmore?

KOOLAID2 on April 1, 2014 at 7:15 PM

…it said 299 0n the counter!

KOOLAID2 on April 1, 2014 at 7:16 PM

This is like someone in Washington,DC not “believing” that the economy is suffering! It’s a big country out here… crack open your closed mind and realize that not every city is like yours. What are you 12?

2L8 on April 1, 2014 at 7:01 PM

I might say the same thing abut your New York tales. At any rate, I believe that the original comment was that the system had “collapsed” which suggests that said collapse would be broadly obvious.

Actually, single payer works as well or better than our system in a number of different countries — as measured by any number of studies — at a much lower cost. This why you never ever actually see other countries’ electorates voting for politicians who promise to bring the mess that is our system to them.

Complete Bullshit.

WHO

Bloomberg

OECD

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:20 PM

I agree with you partially, though. Obama did screw up by embracing a right-wing, Heritage Foundation/Mitt Romney approach when a decent single payer plan with the option to buy private insurance on top of basic care would have been simpler and cheaper.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Come on guys, with the above comment why waste your time? You are helping him complete his one man circle jerk.

I do have to admit ole’ UE gets a lot more responses than even Bishop got…..maybe I am missing something?

HonestLib on April 1, 2014 at 7:25 PM

The apocalypse is not imminent.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57

Americans still hate ObamaCare, especially the uninisured.

You might want to ask yourself why at some point. Because the point of the law really should be to make the country better off on net, shouldn’t it?

Chuck Schick on April 1, 2014 at 7:26 PM

WHO

Bloomberg

OECD

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Urby? Which one of these countries is on a single payer system?
Oh, I noticed Libya is #11 on the Bloomberg list. Could you explain what makes them so good?

oldroy on April 1, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Urby? A year 2000 “study” from the WHO? Really?

oldroy on April 1, 2014 at 7:28 PM

I might say the same thing abut your New York tales. At any rate, I believe that the original comment was that the system had “collapsed” which suggests that said collapse would be broadly obvious.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:20 PM

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It is “broadly obvious” . . . . . those links you provided are frauds.

listens2glenn on April 1, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Actually, single payer works as well or better than our system in a number of different countries — as measured by any number of studies — at a much lower cost. This why you never ever actually see other countries’ electorates voting for politicians who promise to bring the mess that is our system to them.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

This is the kind of logic defying crap that politicians peddle that I hate.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 7:13 PM

It’s also the crap that is espoused by people who’ve never had to deal with single payer before – but for ideological reasons think it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread because they believe the public sector is more effective and efficient than the evil and corrupt private sector.

They are the one’s who tout studies that have the same veracity as IPCC studies on ‘climate change’ or promote Cuba, with it’s $60 per month Doctors, offering superior healthcare than the private sector US system.

I had a post ate by moderation that had 6 links to 6 different studies talking about the scandals and crisis in Britain’s NHS system – a system that effectively kills 130K elderly a year with their inefficiencies and that is in severe fiscal straits.

Even our neighbors to the north have a dysfunctional healthcare system – with more healthcare professionals seeking to move to the US, with 3 to 6 month waits for MRI / CT Scans, sending pregnant women to US hospitals because of a shortage of beds, and 6 to 9 month waits to see specialists like an oncologists even in Ontario. Tens of thousands travel to the US for treatment rather than wait in Canada every year – yet they can’t change it because the system is so endemic and ingrown, they can’t unclusterfark the clusterfark.

There is nothing the public sector can do better, more efficiently, and more effectively than the private sector. To advocate otherwise is little more than advocating totalitarianism.

Athos on April 1, 2014 at 7:32 PM

HonestLib on April 1, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Point taken. I think the issue is having to sustain years worth of dishonesty, culminating in today’s freak show, only to have this asswipe show up and act like it’s all legit.

Erich66 on April 1, 2014 at 7:35 PM

WHO

Bloomberg

OECD

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Hahahahaha. I love these lists. I’m moving to Libya for the healthcare!

Chuck Schick on April 1, 2014 at 7:35 PM

It’s not a “victory” when the truth of the matter is you have lied, stolen, cheated, and lied some more to implement the worst piece of horse defecation in the history of the planet on the last free people in the world.

Then you lie, obfuscate, twist, bend, and mutilate the numbers to make it look like you’ve successfully polished that horse defecation into a shiny gem.

Yeah. Victory over common sense and truth. You go girl.

Diluculo on April 1, 2014 at 7:41 PM

hahahahaha. I love these lists. I’m moving to Libya for the healthcare!

Chuck Schick on April 1, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Healthcare so good they hand carry you to the hospital when your consulate gets blown up.

HumpBot Salvation on April 1, 2014 at 7:42 PM

I believe that the original comment was that the system had “collapsed” which suggests that said collapse would be broadly obvious.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:20 PM

How many delays, and exemptions have been issued for Obamacare? If you never allow any aspects of the law that might cause you political damage to take effect then you can’t be hurt by them. The country, however, can be driven into bankruptcy by it. Which is exactly what this system will do without the mandate, that has been delayed.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 7:43 PM

I had a post ate by moderation that had 6 links to 6 different studies talking about the scandals and crisis in Britain’s NHS system – a system that effectively kills 130K elderly a year with their inefficiencies and that is in severe fiscal straits.

Athos on April 1, 2014 at 7:32 PM

That’s OK though, they’re old white people.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Obama did screw up by embracing a right-wing, Heritage Foundation/Mitt Romney approach when a decent single payer plan with the option to buy private insurance on top of basic care would have been simpler and cheaper.
 
urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

 
Statements like those are how you can tell that Obamacare supporters know it isn’t going to help families, and probably the opposite. They’d be taking full credit otherwise.
 
Instead they’re looking for someone to blame, and they’re blaming the (R)s for the failures even though no (R)s voted for it.

rogerb on April 1, 2014 at 7:49 PM

when a decent single payer plan with the option to buy private insurance on top of basic care would have been simpler and cheaper.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

What UE is honestly talking about is that under The ACA we now have a single tier system, unless you pay cash for your health care. For the moment let’s leave our elected federal officials out of this conservation as they are another tier we are not allowed to join.

I have worked in the UK for an American company and for a Brit company. When working for a Brit company I was provided with private insurance. They have a two tier system…..single payer for the common folks and private insurance for the betters. The betters, like me at the time, had good quality health care through private insurance and we were not subjected to the sub-standard single payer care system….which we called the 16/60 system. Under 16 or over 60 you got decent care from single payer…..everybody else using single payer got terrible care.

UE wants a two tier system where he can get quality care while the rest get sub-standard single payer care and he enjoys rubbing those not so well off noses in the fact he wants a system where he can afford quality health care and they cannot.

UE can afford quality health care and enjoys others suffering. I know the type all too well. Dude knows what he is talking about when it comes to two tier health care.

HonestLib on April 1, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Hey urban dipshit

What impacts your health outcomes more? Your lifestyle choices or whether you have single payer or private insurance?

Compare and contrast.

Population and demographics of the USA versus Hong Kong or Switzerland.

Lifestyle and eating habits of USA vs France or Spain.

And just as a side note. The way the USA collects and reports data vs the rest of the world impacts the efficiency ratings of the OECD reports. So that report is worthless.

And funny that many of those awesome single payer countries (Italy, Spain, Greece, France) are about to implode economically. Wonder if there is a correlation?

Funny that Sweden always hailed as the libtard utopia has addressed it’s problems affording it by, wait for it, rationing care.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA555_Sweden_Health_Care.html

HumpBot Salvation on April 1, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Athos on April 1, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Germany, France, Australia…just because the UK system is as bad as ours doesn’t mean that others are better.

I can’t find anything about the 120,000 deaths in the article you linked to. Are the rest of your links similarly bogus?

Sir Brian, a globally-recognised expert on hospital performance, also calculated that in 2004 death rates for hospitals in England were 22.5 per cent higher than in six others in the western world including Canada and France.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:59 PM

HumpBot Salvation on April 1, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Yep. Life expectancy figure comparisons are seriously warped by abortion and birthing stat methods. In some of the Euro countries if a child dies in birth or lives less than 24 hours, it’s not counted as anything. In the US everything counts.

All of the urban onanist’s studies heavily favor life expectancy as a measure, and are therefore worthless. I wouldn’t expect that the socialist/liberals putting together these measurements would correct for the obvious gross errors.

slickwillie2001 on April 1, 2014 at 8:01 PM

Germany, France, Australia…just because the UK system is as bad as ours doesn’t mean that others are better.

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:59 PM

sorry, urban racist, but you shrieked that government-controlled health care is ALWAYS better.

Then you run away from the epic failure of the NHS in the UK and Medicaid here in the United States.

The problem is, boy, you are a confirmed statist, and your entire worldview revolves around using government to force your will on others, just like your pathetic failure Barack Obama.

You have already confessed here that you cheat on your taxes and you commit welfare fraud, all of which is enabled because you “know people” in the Obama Party.

Therefore, you are nothing. You are a filthy amoral criminal, just like the rest of your Obama Party.

northdallasthirty on April 1, 2014 at 8:04 PM

The Myth of Americans’ Poor Life Expectancy

It’s one of the most oft-repeated justifications for socialized medicine: Americans spend more money than other developed countries on health care, but don’t live as long. If we would just hop on the European health-care bandwagon, we’d live longer and healthier lives. The only problem is it’s not true…

slickwillie2001 on April 1, 2014 at 8:07 PM

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:59 PM

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Hey dumb-ass, you’re needed on the next thread.

listens2glenn on April 1, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Germany, France, Australia…just because the UK system is as bad as ours doesn’t mean that others are better…
 
urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:59 PM

 
You’re not going to start with the infant mortality nonsense, are you?

rogerb on April 1, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Hey urban dipshit

Are there any grownups on this site? Or just third-graders?

What impacts your health outcomes more? Your lifestyle choices or whether you have single payer or private insurance?

so you’re saying there’s no difference — that this whole discussion is moot?

Compare and contrast.

Population and demographics of the USA versus Hong Kong or Switzerland.

You’re right, the Spanish don’t get sick the same way Americans do.

Lifestyle and eating habits of USA vs France or Spain.

Neither of which affects access to care.

And just as a side note. The way the USA collects and reports data vs the rest of the world impacts the efficiency ratings of the OECD reports. So that report is worthless.

Yes and no. I’ve avoided making declarations because of data concerns. But the data are not so different as to render them worthless and the fact that across any number of studies the U.S. tends to be broadly comperable, or worse, in a number of areas suggests that we’re paying twice as much for care that is in not broadly superior (and is, in fact, rationed).

And funny that many of those awesome single payer countries (Italy, Spain, Greece, France) are about to implode economically. Wonder if there is a correlation?

And single payer countries like Germany, Australia, and most of the world, aren’t. Health care isn’t the root of their problems.

Funny that Sweden always hailed as the libtard utopia has addressed it’s problems affording it by, wait for it, rationing care.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA555_Sweden_Health_Care.html

True. But, if they doubled their spending per capita they could eliminate rationing and still spend less than we do.

Another interesting study.
HumpBot Salvation on April 1, 2014 at 7:55 PM

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Liberals and the ‘Average Life Expectancy’ Lie

Tell any pro-ObamaCare Democrat that socialized healthcare doesn’t work, and you are sure to receive the smug reply that “countries with a single-payer system have a higher life expectancy.”…

slickwillie2001 on April 1, 2014 at 8:11 PM

I might say the same thing abut your New York tales.
urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Lol. I am in NYC every 6 weeks. I have a child living there who requires a certain amount of attention. So my experience paying rent/utilities/medical care/tuition is not a “tale.” His subway stop is where the asian man died last year.

My comments were directed to your seeming inability to realize that the WHOLE country is not just an outlying area of no consequence. I imagine you read NYMag and think that you are a total hipster and cannot imagine that there are thinking, breathing, working individuals that have a totally different experience than you do and it is just as legitimate as yours.

2L8 on April 1, 2014 at 8:12 PM

…in a number of areas suggests that we’re paying twice as much for care that is in not broadly superior (and is, in fact, rationed).
 
urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 8:11 PM

 
+1, in exactly the same way Honda Accords and Aston Martins are rationed.

rogerb on April 1, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Why The Federal Government Wants To Redefine The Word ‘Cancer’

The United States counts all births as live if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size. This includes what many other countries report as stillbirths. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe…

slickwillie2001 on April 1, 2014 at 8:15 PM

…in a number of areas suggests that we’re paying twice as much for care that is in not broadly superior (and is, in fact, rationed).

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 8:11 PM

You’re referring to the people who actually pay right? Not the ones who manage to avoid paying, like illegals, or poor people who just file bankruptcy. Which is why we have to pay so much. I’m betting your actually referring to bills, and not the average actual cost.

DFCtomm on April 1, 2014 at 8:22 PM

The Three Urban Myths of Healthcare Reform

3. We Spend “Too Much” on Healthcare : In 1950, Americans spent about 5 percent of their income on health care. Today the share is about 16 percent. According to Harvard’s Mankiw, “many pundits take the increasing cost as evidence that the system is too expensive. But increasing expenditures could just as well be a symptom of success.”…

slickwillie2001 on April 1, 2014 at 8:25 PM

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Top doctor’s chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year

Yep, those links are about as bogus as yours advocating fascism.

Oh, since NHS, is, therefore, by your ‘esteemed’ estimation an outlier, and so many other countries like France, or Germany, or Libya, or Cuba offer so much better healthcare than the formerly private sector based US system – one has to ask the question, why don’t you move to a single payer country or go there for your treatments? I’m sure the Castro brothers would welcome you.

Oh, that’s right. You prefer to inflict your vision and agenda on the rest of the country to replace freedom and liberty with subservience to a fascist government where healthcare is part of the Ministry of Plenty. But as an ‘elitist’, none of the mundane will impact you, a true-believer.

Athos on April 1, 2014 at 8:26 PM

I think Phil Klein’s right as usual. The takeaway from today isn’t the precise number but rather the fact that a lot of people are now dependent upon this law, which makes the task of repeal a heavier lift than it seemed at New Year’s.

Ok, *now* this is a talking point? Wasn’t everyone saying this, oh, from the outset?

And it does not mean the GOP shouldn’t repeal it anyway, ffs. But of course, squishy spineless f*ckwits will make the case that they can’t possibly do that – even if they win the Senate, of course – because “not this fight, not this time, not before the *next* election, can’t upset the apple cart”, and other assorted bullshit.

I’m done with this nonsense.

Repeal it, or f*ck off and die.

Midas on April 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Every time this joker takes a victory lap I think of Ceaușescu.

claudius on April 1, 2014 at 9:01 PM

The only reason Obama care numbers are high is that people are being forced into the system. Everyone I know including my self have to pay much larger premiums and and huge deductibles. Everyone I work with hates it but its only about 100 employees. We used to have a great system with zero or small deductibles. People I know who are young hate it and don’t want to participate but fear the wrath of this monsterous powerfully government. Tjhe numbers of enrollees maybe up but its not popular here at all.

garydt on April 1, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Nearly all the people who will benefit from this vote Democratic anyway. There is little risk in losing them from repeal, especially if some replacement for the preexisting conditions folks is made, like a high risk pool subsidized.

Whereas a lot of working Democrats and independents are going to face higher premiums, deductibles, and co-pays, and fewer choices of doctors and hospitals. The pain will be a-plenty, especially once the employer mandate finally kicks in.

But sober evaluation isn’t nearly as much fun as rattling the monkey cages, is it?

Adjoran on April 1, 2014 at 9:28 PM

ObamaCare. Because government coercion is good for you whether you like it or not.

Oh and you can’t keep you plan.

SparkPlug on April 1, 2014 at 9:42 PM

ObamaCare. Because beaurocrats can’t think of a reason why the IRS shouldn’t be the overlords of your Health plan

SparkPlug on April 1, 2014 at 9:46 PM

He’s going to let Sebelius take the fall…

d1carter on April 1, 2014 at 9:47 PM

This festering boil is going to get much worse before single payer will be substituted…the GOP will not repeal.

d1carter on April 1, 2014 at 9:51 PM

So when you repeal it, you allow for these ticks to keep their Obamacare for a year. The rest of us get the open instance market.

bossmanham on April 1, 2014 at 9:58 PM

The only reason Obama care numbers are high is that people are being forced into the system. Everyone I know including my self have to pay much larger premiums and and huge deductibles. Everyone I work with hates it but its only about 100 employees. We used to have a great system with zero or small deductibles. People I know who are young hate it and don’t want to participate but fear the wrath of this monsterous powerfully government. Tjhe numbers of enrollees maybe up but its not popular here at all.

garydt on April 1, 2014 at 9:07 PM

I talked with my former sister-in-law last night. She told me she signed up for Obamacare last week even though she can not afford it. She works as a room cleaner for a Motel. She is lucky to have that job. Until her healthcare policy was canceled along with millions of others like her, she had a decent health insurance policy that she could afford. She is a middle age women, no serious health issues, and does not qualify for welfare or food stamps. That could change. Her Obamacare premium is $500 a month. She did not mention the deductible, but it is high enough that she told me if she got sick, broke and arm or a leg, or both, it would not be covered, so the reality she said is that she does not have medical coverage and for that she is paying $500 a month and will have to pay cash for everything if she goes to the doctor. She may not yet realize that she will also have to find a doctor that participates in the program if she wants what she pays to count towards that deductible.

Franklyn on April 1, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Actually, single payer works as well or better than our system in a number of different countries — as measured by any number of studies — at a much lower cost. This why you never ever actually see other countries’ electorates voting for politicians who promise to bring the mess that is our system to them.
urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:57 PM

My daughters best friend is from England. Her mother says that the last place you go to the hospital. When they need a doctor they go through the Chunnel to France.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

That is the Dailymail. If you think socialized one payer is the way to go, read that for a week.

If your a liberal, don’t bother since if it isn’t filtered and spun, you will never understand it.

You will find that mammograms, one of Obama’s favorite rights for women are limited and if they did not catch the cancer before it began to spread, but still survivable, they do not treat it. If a kid needs a special medicine or operation to live, they probably will be told to go home and die. If they need corrective surgery to allow them to live normally, the cost is probably not going to allow it. But, if a women needs bigger breast, braces, or someone wants a sex change, that will be paid for without a question.

There is a shortage of doctors so nurses have filled in that role. If a nurse is not taking care of you may get one of the doctor’s in training; learning on the job.

It is almost a give that everyday you will read of an elderly person being put on an end of life plan and their families told to plan the funeral. They usually on survive the next 48 hours, dying a horible death of dehydration. The babies and children take longer, about seven to nine days. Everything is considered by cost and the abuses are horrifying.

Franklyn on April 1, 2014 at 10:36 PM

Every time this joker takes a victory lap I think of Ceaușescu.

claudius on April 1, 2014 at 9:01 PM

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Maybe he’ll end-up like Ceaușescu did, as well.
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To “cut-to-the-chase”, ffwd to the 4:21 mark.

listens2glenn on April 2, 2014 at 12:49 AM

Franklyn on April 1, 2014 at 10:36 PM

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Do you mean to say that Great Britain’s government mandated, managed, and administered medical services has “death panels”?

listens2glenn on April 2, 2014 at 12:54 AM

The takeaway from today isn’t the precise number but rather the fact that a lot of people are now dependent upon this law, which makes the task of repeal a heavier lift than it seemed at New Year’s.

No, it doesn’t. How many people have LOST their insurance because of the law? Or is it a suggestion at this point?

My point is, they had no problem causing millions to lose their coverage. I don’t have any problem kicking those enrollees off. The notion of consideration for them went by the boards right away.

dogsoldier on April 2, 2014 at 5:35 AM

My take.

kingsjester on April 2, 2014 at 7:20 AM

urban elitist on April 1, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Nah. You’re a total screw up. Nice job leftist.

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 7:45 AM

“Mission Accomplished”

socalcon on April 2, 2014 at 8:05 AM

All meetings regarding health care will be on TV.
You will have 72 hours to review all bills before a vote is taken.
It won’t cost a dime.
It will pay for itself.
It will REDUCE the deficit.
It will not create any new taxes.
It will lower the cost of health care.
It won’t have ‘death panels’ affecting medical care.
It won’t cause people to lose their jobs.
It won’t cause people to lose their insurance.
If you like your plan, you can keep your plan – PERIOD.
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.
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“We have miraculously reached the 7 MILLION Americans we needed…”

Is anyone willing to bet their lives on THIS one being true?
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…didn’t think so. Everything else about this law has been a lie, so the elephant in the room everyone is aware of is that Obama HAD to have 7 million and he was going to do watever he had to to get it…even LIE to say he had it when he really doesn’t. Funny how his declaration was on April 1st…and he thinks WE are the ‘fools’.

easyt65 on April 2, 2014 at 8:08 AM

This is an absolute sham. They bearded them in off the street, helped them sign their names and threatened those that balked. Furthermore, a significant number will never pay their second premium and many have not yet paid their first. The socialist state at all costs.

rplat on April 2, 2014 at 8:13 AM

This is all just another lie by the Obama admin.

Cherokee on April 2, 2014 at 8:26 AM

My take.

kingsjester on April 2, 2014 at 7:20 AM

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I just posted this on kingsjester‘s blog.

Don’t know why I didn’t think of this yesterday . . . . .
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Remember that scene at the end of the movie “Waterworld”, when the character ‘Deacon’ (played by Dennis Hopper) totally cons everyone else on that ex-super-tanker, with a rousing political speech that was all a complete lie?

listens2glenn at kingsjester.wordpress.com/ on April 2, 2014 at 9:17 AM |

listens2glenn on April 2, 2014 at 10:26 AM

The “Victory Lap” will be short and sweet when the American people find out only 858,000 have actually paid for coverage. The 7.1 number is bogus until verified by independents.

Amazingoly on April 2, 2014 at 10:46 AM

“Open thread: Are you ready for the ObamaCare victory lap?”

No.

Kevin M on April 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Gheyest POTUS ever. Look at that photo. What kind of man ever looks like that?

Akzed on April 2, 2014 at 3:20 PM

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