Compassion: Anti-Obamacare cancer patient smeared by Reid now receiving death wishes from liberals

posted at 7:51 pm on April 1, 2014 by Guy Benson

Welcome to your feel-bad story of the month.  Remember Julie Boonstra?  She’s the single mother fighting leukemia who appeared in an anti-Obamacare television ad running in Michigan:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid assailed Ms. Boonstra, and others like her, in a breathtakingly mean-spirited floor speech — going so far as to say that “all” of their negative experiences were “untrue” and “lies.”  Reid now claims he doesn’t remember saying any such thing, but there’s video tape:

In his effort to discredit Boonstra, Reid relied on a Washington Post “fact check,” which effectively ruled her story half true.  In fact, every claim Boonstra made in the ad has been confirmed, as explained by the Detroit News’ Dan Calabrese (see update below):

Boonstra is on five different medications to help deal with her leukemia. The Blue Cross PR spokesman claimed that they are all covered. But when Boonstra went to fill her prescription for Loratadine — a prescription-level equivalent of Claritin that she uses to control congestion brought on by chemotherapy — she was told that Loratadine is not covered. She has not yet attempted to restock any of her other meds but she is already having to come with strategies to deal with that problem. The $5,100 cap on Boonstra’s out-of-pocket spending is for in-network care only. If she has to go out of network, she could spend an additional $10,200…When Boonstra was first diagnosed, she had to go through a painstaking process to get approval for her chemotherapy drugs to be covered. When she finally found insurance she liked, she had no problem with the chemo drugs. She now says that process is starting all over again. Boonstra has already had to cut back on her bone marrow biopsies, which she was having on a regular schedule she had worked out with her doctor, because she doesn’t have clarification on whether these will be covered. I could go on, but the bottom line is this: Julie Boonstra told the truth, and arrogant media “fact checkers” had a lot of nerve claiming she hadn’t when they never even talked to her.

Nevertheless, Reid’s inaccurate nasty gram touched off a torrent of bile from Obamacare supporters,  including this delightful care package Boonstra received in the mail:

Die, because your experience is inconvenient to my “pissed off” ideology. Incidentally, Ms. Boonstra isn’t the only Obamacare victim who received a cancellation notice, and whose subsequent plan presents out-of-pocket hardships:

Breast cancer survivor Ginny Mason was thrilled to get health coverage under the Affordable Care Act despite her pre-existing condition. But when she realized her arthritis medication fell under a particularly costly tier of her plan, she was forced to switch to another brand. Under the plan, her Celebrex would have cost $648 a month until she met her $1,500 prescription deductible, followed by an $85 monthly co-pay. Mason is one of the many Americans with serious illnesses — including cancer, multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis — who are indeed finding relatively low monthly premiums under President Barack Obama’s law. But some have been shocked at how much their prescriptions are costing as insurers are sorting drug prices into a complex tier system and in some cases charging co-insurance rates as high as 50 percent. That can leave patients on the hook for thousands.

Another example from North Carolina:

Amy Newbold, a 57-year-old saleswoman from Randolph County, N.C., lost her employer insurance last year. Through HealthCare.gov, she found a mid-tier “silver” plan with premiums that at first blush are $75 a month lower than her previous policy. But there are no savings, she said, since her old premiums were paid with pretax dollars and Obamacare premiums are paid with aftertax dollars. Newbold said she faces substantially higher drug costs for arthritis and psoriasis and worries that an out-of-pocket maximum of $5,000 could put needed medicines out of reach. “I feel left out in the cold, and I don’t know why it has to be that way,” she said

Maybe Reid can make these “liars” famous, too.  Indeed, unleashing left-wing wrath on ordinary people for the sin of speaking out must be a pretty effective method of stifling dissent — which is precisely what Reid wants.

UPDATEWaPo’s fact-checker, Glenn Kessler, emails the following statement, taking issue with the Detroit News column excerpted above:

I have to differ with the columnist at the Detroit News, who never bothered to contact me and who also has differed with the reporting of his own newspaper. I repeatedly sought to reach Julie Boonstra and repeatedly pressed Americans for Prosperity for more information to document her statements in the ad. Nothing that has emerged has contradicted my conclusions about the facts in the ad as AFP presented them. Moreover, I awarded Pinocchios to Harry Reid for his remarks about AFP’s ads—and I think those hateful letters to Ms. Boonstra are beneath contempt.


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What more can be said? The Left is absolutely vile, attacking cancer patients so as to protect President Precious and his horrid legislation. They’re scum, the lot of ‘em.

changer1701 on April 2, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Meow

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 10:21 AM

nullrouted on April 2, 2014 at 10:12 AM

I have family members who are part Cuban, Korean, and African-American. All are Conservative and think Obama is an absolute phoney and pathological liar. We get along quite well and share the same moral values.

Cherokee on April 2, 2014 at 10:23 AM

–I did. But the Detroit News’ conclusion was that she was going to save money. It wasn’t that everything she wrote was true. That’s what Calabrese (not associated with the Detroit News) wrote.

jim56 on April 1, 2014 at 8:48 PM

However, what the article conveniently overlook is that to get those premiums, insurers have had to drastically narrow networks until most of the best providers for cancer and other conditions are now OUT OF NETWORK. And that’s the problem…

dominigan on April 2, 2014 at 10:27 AM

If and when violent conflict begins (and I hope and pray that it doesn’t), it won’t be in the form of waves of brothers against brothers. It will probably be in the form of “Armies of One” employing methods similar to those used in Operation Phoenix during the Vietnam war. The targets will be Dem politicians and the Media.
Again, the conflict will be initiated by the Left under a false flag or Reichstag fire scenario, giving them the excuse to load up the boxcars and attempt to fulfill Bill Ayers’ wish for 20 million non-leftists to die.
But the fighters on the right will be too numerous and too well armed to eliminate, which brings us back to armies of one.
This is why the Left is so anxious to disarm law-abiding citizens and why Homeland Security is stockpiling hollow points (No one routinely uses hollow points for practice, as Napolitano claimed- these are rounds for controlling and murdering civilians).
It will be all be unspeakably horrible. Ironically, Leftists politicians and Media, who have been fomenting conflict, will never be able to walk the streets safely or sleep peacefully again.
Very sad.

justltl on April 2, 2014 at 10:29 AM

If you don’t link, here, where that was said, you’re a liar. If that was said, you be right. Now, links, please, for every example.

On topic, leftist thugs. Period.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 12:13 AM

No, he’s kinda right. I did it subtly here on this thread. But just die. Not horribly. Nothing personal. Just an indifferent removal of vermin. An enemy of my freedom. An enemy of logical thought.

Lanceman on April 2, 2014 at 10:33 AM

You know, this ‘equivalence’ thing is crap, anyway.

Even if posters here did wish death on f*ckwit trolls, that’s in direct response to something perceived as an egregious, f*ckwitted comment. We may agree or disagree as to whether the reaction is warranted, but it is not the same thing as wishing a speedy death on someone suffering from cancer, whose insurance has been cancelled by government decree, been forced to buy new insurance by government decree, who has then publicly shared their circumstance, who has then publicly been called a LIAR by no less than the Majority Leader in the Senate, and subsequently received gleeful death threats because she dared share the TRUTH about her situation.

You libtard f*ckwits can go f*ck yourselves with broken glass, you preening ‘moral equivalence’ f*cks.

Midas on April 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Obama has certainly transformed America.

justltl on April 2, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Midas on April 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Looks like someone had raw meat and gunpowder for breakfast. Easy tiger, you’re gonna give xNavigator the vapors and might cause him to break his strand of pearls.

HumpBot Salvation on April 2, 2014 at 10:51 AM

How often have you ripped anyone on your side?

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 12:14 AM

I am guilty of that one and not ashamed to admit it. Morning Schade.

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 11:05 AM

If and when violent conflict begins (and I hope and pray that it doesn’t), it won’t be in the form of waves of brothers against brothers. It will probably be in the form of “Armies of One” employing methods similar to those used in Operation Phoenix during the Vietnam war. The targets will be Dem politicians and the Media.
Again, the conflict will be initiated by the Left under a false flag or Reichstag fire scenario, giving them the excuse to load up the boxcars and attempt to fulfill Bill Ayers’ wish for 20 million non-leftists to die.
But the fighters on the right will be too numerous and too well armed to eliminate, which brings us back to armies of one.
This is why the Left is so anxious to disarm law-abiding citizens and why Homeland Security is stockpiling hollow points (No one routinely uses hollow points for practice, as Napolitano claimed- these are rounds for controlling and murdering civilians).
It will be all be unspeakably horrible. Ironically, Leftists politicians and Media, who have been fomenting conflict, will never be able to walk the streets safely or sleep peacefully again.
Very sad.

justltl on April 2, 2014 at 10:29 AM

patriotsforamerica.ning.com/forum/topics/operation-american-spring-washington-d-c-in-the-cross-hairs-the

davidk on April 2, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I am guilty of that one and not ashamed to admit it. Morning Schade.

HonestLib on April 2, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Morning, friend. Yes, but you are a dichotomy, an honest liberal.

Most leftists are neither.

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 11:38 AM

But most importantly, the Obama administration is not admitting that it used naked, brute force to coerce Americans into signing up for Obamacare. Failing to sign up can get the IRS, with its auditors and armed agents, unleashed on you. When faced with that prospect, sure, it’s not all that hard to persuade people to do what you want. It’s a lesson that feudal chiefs, tyrants, pirates and bandits learned a long time ago.

The 7 million that President Obama touted today is a false number, he knows that it is a false number, and he knows that it is based on the threat of force. In fact, his administration couldn’t even give a solid number until today. How convenient.

So today, the day after the same administration that has cooked the books on deportations, and cooked the books on unemployment, the same administration that lied about Fast and Furious, lied about Benghazi, lied about “green jobs,” lied about last week’s meeting with the Pope, and whose IRS abused the president’s critics — the leader of that administration touted “7.1 million sign-ups” for Obamacare. Even going by the administration’s official numbers, the president’s claim is inflated. The administration only claims 7,041,000 — far from 7.1 million.

The president criticized Americans who donated their own money to run ads opposing Obamacare. But Barack Obama used government force to take Americans’ money and use that money to promote his law — whether we backed his law or not. Which is worse?

Most un-American president in history

Schadenfreude on April 2, 2014 at 11:57 AM

These people can NOT be bargained with.

One way or another they must be “taken down”, and made devoid of any power of governance or political influence within the U.S.
.
There is no ‘tactful’ way of getting around these people.

listens2glenn on April 1, 2014 at 8:02 PM

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/forum/topics/operation-american-spring-washington-d-c-in-the-cross-hairs-the

davidk on April 2, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Meow

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Rent Free! Living large in a tiny mind. Woohoo!!

Meow on April 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM

For you Bmore – Just trying to help you overcome your insecurities:

http://www.slowdownfast.com/296/

Meow on April 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM

The twitter pic of the letter is cropped- anyone know what the rest of it said?

Book on April 2, 2014 at 12:16 PM

–I did. But the Detroit News’ conclusion was that she was going to save money…
 
jim56 on April 1, 2014 at 8:48 PM

 
And she was asking for it, wasn’t she, jim56? I mean, the rest of us just couldn’t see how short her skirt was expensive her insurance was, right? Y’all knew what she needed, didn’t you jim56? And y’all knew how to give it to her, too, didn’t you? She just didn’t know how much she needed y’all inside her bank account, did she? And it was her fault anyway, wasn’t it jim56? I mean, she was begging for it with her bright red high heels medical expenses. Her problem was that she just didn’t know how badly she needed it, right?
 
You gave it to her, though, right? You took care of what she needed, didn’t you?
 
rogerb on April 2, 2014 at 8:56 AM

 
C’mon, jim56. Tell us all about how you and your friends talked about what you dreamt about doing to her. Years and years of fantasizing, right? And you finally saw your chance and you took it, didn’t you?
 
Tell us about how that other group of guys told you it wasn’t right and tried to talk you out of it, but how you didn’t listen because you knew she wanted it but was just too uptight to come right out and ask for it.
 
And how you waited until it was nice and dark and everyone else had gone home to spend Christmas Eve with their families.
 
Go ahead, jim56. Tell us.

rogerb on April 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Off subject but I have been on hold for 2hrs on the Washington st. obamacare line trying to fix the glitch on the enrollment web site. I’ve been on hold for hrs a day but have not got through yet. N0 I did not vote for obama ever I live in the conservative eastern side of this state. Man I abhor this president.

garydt on April 2, 2014 at 12:32 PM

At some point an honest-investigative-journalist (I know an oxymoron) will get into the REAL numbers and discover that the number of Obamacare signups MINUS those who already had satisfactory healthcare plans but got CANCELLED is a net LOSS in both quantitative & qualitative coverage.

Heck, even Al Frankin will not mention ACA in his reelection campaign.

Never let FACTS stand in the way of a story that is totally supportive of the Prezzie Choombro, Joke Biden administration.

Investigative Journalist, a new Oxymoron.

Missilengr on April 2, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Evidence of the kind of vituperative immaturity you should all be embarrassed by.

xNavigator on April 1, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Only one embarrassing here is you.

Please try again.

F-

Del Dolemonte on April 2, 2014 at 12:43 PM

The only reason one seems (and in fact may be) imminent, is because the Christian believers got LAZY in the years immediately after the great WWII.
Christians stopped being “the salt of the earth”, and and the country began to ‘spoil.’ The biggest leap in becoming “spoiled” happened in the 1970s. The speed of this “spoiling” slowed down in the 1980s, but it never stopped, and has still steadily continued to worsen until now.

listens2glenn on April 1, 2014 at 9:14 PM

This.

davidk on April 2, 2014 at 12:45 PM

C’mon, jim56. Tell us all about how you and your friends talked about what you dreamt about doing to her. Years and years of fantasizing, right? And you finally saw your chance and you took it, didn’t you?

Tell us about how that other group of guys told you it wasn’t right and tried to talk you out of it, but how you didn’t listen because you knew she wanted it but was just too uptight to come right out and ask for it.

And how you waited until it was nice and dark and everyone else had gone home to spend Christmas Eve with their families.

Go ahead, jim56. Tell us.

rogerb on April 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM

–Are you trying to compete with North Dallas Thirty for the most off-topic, disjointed, personal attacks? NDT is still winning.

jim56 on April 2, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Tell us about how that other group of guys told you it wasn’t right and tried to talk you out of it, but how you didn’t listen because you knew she wanted it but was just too uptight to come right out and ask for it.
 
And how you waited until it was nice and dark and everyone else had gone home to spend Christmas Eve with their families.
 
Go ahead, jim56. Tell us.
 
rogerb on April 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM

 
–Are you trying to compete with North Dallas Thirty for the most off-topic, disjointed, personal attacks? NDT is still winning.
 
jim56 on April 2, 2014 at 1:13 PM

 
Point out the personal attack, please.
 
Or is it that you don’t like someone describing the passage (and your defense) of Obamacare exactly the way it occurred?
 
Feel free to show us where any of that description was wrong, btw.

rogerb on April 2, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Feel free to show us where any of that description was wrong, btw.
 
rogerb on April 2, 2014 at 1:19 PM

 
Come to think of it, the non-response will make it even more accurate, won’t it?
 
You didn’t realize that was what y’all were doing, did you? I mean, she needed it, right?
 

But the Detroit News’ conclusion was that she was going to save money.
 
jim56 on April 1, 2014 at 8:48 PM

 
Even if she didn’t want you to be the one giving it to her. But you did give it to her. Because you cared about her.
 
And you decided to give it to her after she told you no.

rogerb on April 2, 2014 at 1:41 PM

I don’t care what you do, you can use my nom all you want. Go silly with it.
The thread you’re obsessed with I replied to a Frank not to encourage you. You’re a serial spammer, rarely on topic and talk incessantly about your personal life. I take it you’re not OVER it you big baby. Instead here you are intent on making yourself the topic of conversation once again. You should consider forging real relationships outside of the cyber world, you take this shit way too serious.

Meow on March 17, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Lolz! Must be feeding time for the puddycats.

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 2:01 PM

I said go silly with it not full retard.

Meow on April 2, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Beyond stating the actual horrors of what is taking place, these victims should talk directly to the camera, stating categorically that the STRESS and UNCERTAINTY alone are needlessly, stupidly undermining these people’s health.

My own sister died from the awful complications of lupus. Any stress was a negative to her health. This is not self-induced stress; this is government-mandated stress and punishment ordered directly from Obama and his Democratic handmaidens.

The facts are fine, and important to stress, but if you want to close the sale with ignorant low information voters, you must play to their emotions, as well. It might be cheap, but it is real.

The Dems have been playing the social security card since FDR, and those allegations are not even true.

matthew8787 on April 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

I said go silly with it not full retard.

Meow on April 2, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Well, I’ll be happy to stop use of your nom then. If that is what you are asking me to do. I’m still curious though. Why does it bother you so that I flip the pages while simultaneously marking them for a quick search recall. That is the reason I do it. That and of course to say hi to my friend Schadenfreude. You see, when I was away some at this site were actually a bit concerned. So what I initially used as a thread marker became a head nod to let those that cared that I was around and okay. You see Meow one can developed good relationships with one another here contrary to your assertions. If you would like me to stop. Just say so here and I promise I will. I’ll check back later. Bye.

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Obama has certainly transformed America.

justltl on April 2, 2014 at 10:46 AM

No. The Media and the Public School system did. He’s just a symptom of the disease.

98ZJUSMC on April 2, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Compassion: Anti-Obamacare cancer patient smeared by Reid now receiving death wishes from liberals

Guy…that headline is as idiotic as it is inaccurate.
Fair to say a$$holes send death wishes.
At that stage, their political leanings are moot.
But I suppose you think a vile note has never come from the hands of a Conservative…or Centrist…or a Larouchian Utopian Pandabearian?
Have fun pointlessly noting.

verbaluce on April 2, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Hahahaha! THIS is rich. I’m a very conservative Christian lying sack of crap.

xNavigator on April 1, 2014 at 9:57 PM

Just corrected some of your spelling.

You’re welcome.

Solaratov on April 2, 2014 at 4:24 PM

The facts are fine, and important to stress, but if you want to close the sale with ignorant low information voters, you must play to their emotions, as well. It might be cheap, but it is real.

The Dems have been playing the social security card since FDR, and those allegations are not even true.

matthew8787 on April 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Right you are, and here you go: http://spectator.org/articles/58588/obamacare-takes-life

questionmark on April 2, 2014 at 4:39 PM

And to add to that, my daughter responded to a FB post of mine with the following:

I’m in the somewhat unique position of being extremely wary of the entire ACA and not supporting it as a solution to begin with, but also being in the financial situation that I need it. So I’ve been trying to use it, not hoping it will fail, but scrutinizing it more than its supporters.

I’ve been trying to use the site since it launched. I’ve deleted (once the option to delete actually became available!) and re-done three applications. I’ve made several calls over various errors, the one time I had thought I might get somewhere and left a message it took them about 2 months to get back to me.

At the end of each application I tried to complete, it told me their “verification system is temporarily unavailable” so I could electronically sign my application but I would have to check back in 24hrs. and basically do the application all again and try to submit it then.

It never worked. Always the same message. I finally called to fill out the application.

Turns out, calling basically means they’re going online & doing it for you. The woman read aloud the exact same notice and I told her I needed to talk to someone else. Surely someone could simply review it with their own eyes and tell me something??

She put me on hold to speak with someone and 5 months and a 45 minute phone call later I find out that it was the flippin’ apostrophe in my last name causing the problem!

If it said something other than “OUR system is down” or told me that certain characters weren’t recognized or hadn’t asked me every. Single. Time. If that name matched my social security card (it did!) I could’ve figured this out on my own!

Probably millions of people have accent marks in their names! I wonder how many of them are stuck??

During all of this I filled out & sent in a paper application, even though the lady on the phone when I requested one said the website would be MUCH faster (eye roll). To top it all off, later that day after I got off the phone & filled out an application without the apostrophe, I got my eligibility letter in the mail from my paper application.

Only took four months to tell me I might qualify for Medicaid (which I’m almost sure I don’t) and no other info. No insurance I could buy, with or without a discount. It said I could expect to hear from the State at some point.

I wasn’t going to wait. I called. Especially because the paper application was filled out using info for Last tax season, before {my 5th Grandchild – qm} was born.

And now we wait.

Again.

questionmark on April 2, 2014 at 4:53 PM

I just want to offer that xNavigator is most definitely a hard-socon christian with an attitude.

He’s the type of hard-SoCon that believes that individuals without children should be subjected to additional taxation in order to subsidise his choice of private indoctrination centre for his children, as, after all, he is single-handedly raising the six individuals upon whose backs the financial foundation of the retirement accounts of the entirety of future America will rest.

Without the childless being taxed extra to pay for his private-school deductions and make up for the tax-free ESA he already enjoys, the future, sans his six future saviors of America, is irretrievably lost.

More to the point, as he has most eruditely elucidated for the childless nescients among us here, a desire not to be taxed more for not having children, or, even more egregiously, a belief that citizens’ contributions to the future come in many different flavours, not all of which involve raising children, are attitudes tantamount respectively to detesting all children and wishing others’ children would die and believing that nobody shld have children whatsoever.

He’s definitely a hard-SoCon, my-family-has-value voter, and is the furthest thing from a liberal sock imaginable.

Perhaps it’s distasteful to look in the mirror and see how ugly your beliefs can be when taken to the illogical selfish extreme, but xNavigator is, beyond any shadow of a doubt, a family-values guy.

His family.

Not yours.

jaxisaneurophysicist on April 2, 2014 at 5:02 PM

what a psychopath.

Murphy9 on April 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 5:35 PM

verbaluce on April 2, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Oh verbaluce that may have been an error admission on your part. I hope it won’t come back on you. Though I have to confess, it probably will.

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM

You libtard f*ckwits can go f*ck yourselves with broken glass, you preening ‘moral equivalence’ f*cks.

Midas on April 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM

LMAO….I’ll leave it at that. Mighty on point though. And it’s all true.

Midas…has the touch.

Twana on April 2, 2014 at 7:36 PM

If you would like me to stop. Just say so here and I promise I will. I’ll check back later. Bye.

Bmore on April 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM

No I like living rent free in your head. You’re such an attention whore though I figured you’d want me to at least acknowledge you every 40th time or so. Least I can do. lolz!

Meow on April 2, 2014 at 9:53 PM

If you would like me to stop. Just say so here and I promise I will. I’ll check back later. Bye.

Bmore
on April 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM

.
No I like living rent free in your head. You’re such an attention whore though I figured you’d want me to at least acknowledge you every 40th time or so. Least I can do. lolz!

Meow
on April 2, 2014 at 9:53 PM

.
The way you two flirt is shameless.

Just like Calvin and Suzy from the Bill Watterson comic strip.

listens2glenn on April 2, 2014 at 9:58 PM

Meow on April 2, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Okay thanks.

Bmore on April 3, 2014 at 12:10 AM

jim56 on April 2, 2014 at 1:13 PM

 
Point out the personal attack, please.
 
Or is it that you don’t like someone describing the passage (and your defense) of Obamacare exactly the way it occurred?
 
Feel free to show us where any of that description was wrong, btw.
 
rogerb on April 2, 2014 at 1:19 PM

 
Come to think of it, the non-response will make it even more accurate, won’t it?
 
And you decided to give it to her after she told you no.
 
rogerb on April 2, 2014 at 1:41 PM

 
So you couldn’t find any personal attacks, eh jim56? You just throw “personal attacks!” out there and hope it sticks when you can no longer debate, right?
 
And the description is pretty much dead-on, isn’t it jim56?
 
Hadn’t you realized what y’all had done yet?

rogerb on April 3, 2014 at 6:37 AM

As a conservative Christian, I have to thank Hot Air for helping me feel much less troubled by progressive politicians. The anti-Christian bigotry and anti-family screeching of far too many supposedly compassionate conservatives here has made it clear to me that you are in fact no better than progressive anti-family, anti-Christian bigots. It has been an eye-opening experience to see so much hatred among people I had assumed were allies in the two areas of greatest importance to me: faith and family (children). That’s been helpful in setting my mind at ease over the leftward tilt of our political and social culture. After all, if people I believe are my allies see children as a grubby tax burden and faith as a mental disorder, I find I am free of feeling inclined to lend my support automatically to them, and I have much less to fear from the ‘other side’ when the extremes of both sides are in fact aligned against my values.

Thank you all. It has been liberating.

xNavigator on April 3, 2014 at 8:30 AM

Strange imagination copy and pasted.

Bmore on April 3, 2014 at 9:00 AM

Minor correction. Sorry, guess you actually started here and pasted over there.

Bmore on April 3, 2014 at 9:02 AM

*Tab Closing*

Bmore on April 3, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Weak disputation.

xNavigator on April 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM

davidk on April 2, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Thank you for the link (Patriots for America).
I’m studying their site.

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 10:09 AM

xNavigator on April 3, 2014 at 8:30 AM

If you choose to judge us HA/conservative readers & commenter all by some select few you have decided to focus on, or simply choose to hate and accuse falsely because we do not subscribe to your political bent, then you are not following Christ.

I grew up in Alabama in the 1960s and knew many people who called themselves Christians who used your logic to claim that all blacks were lazy, no-account, rapists, and criminals.

It’s a shame you’ve adopted their method of logic to judge others.

s1im on April 3, 2014 at 10:14 AM

The anti-Christian bigotry and anti-family screeching of far too many supposedly compassionate conservatives here has made it clear to me that you are in fact no better than progressive anti-family, anti-Christian bigots.

xNavigator on April 3, 2014 at 8:30 AM

Anti-Christian? Anti-family?
Jeepers, are you talking about this place?
I must have missed something.

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Unless, of course, you’re a moby.

moby

definition:

An insidious and specialized type of left-wing troll who visits blogs and impersonates a conservative for the purpose of either spreading false rumors intended to sow dissension among conservative voters, or who purposely posts inflammatory and offensive comments for the purpose of discrediting the blog in question.

As a Ph.D. in The Study of Trolls, I can tell you that the Moby Method doesn’t usually work very well. They usually burn out pretty quickly. You’re new here, so you have time to try another Method.

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM

I’ll study your posts and try to come up with a recommendation for what method might work best for you.

Cheers.

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Meow on April 2, 2014 at 9:53 PM

@Carolcdt @FallonTonight #NBC agreed vs disgusting @SarahPalinUSA … Hope she didn’t bring open 24/7 Pig Bristol wt her :-/

— MeowSays1 (@MeowSays1) April 3, 2014

Kin?

Bmore on April 3, 2014 at 10:38 AM

If you choose to judge us HA/conservative readers & commenter all by some select few you have decided to focus on…

s1im on April 3, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Judge all by a few? Not at all. There are people here who share my values as I expressed them (faith and family, specifically children). However, it has been an eye-opening experience to read the absolutely vitriolic hatred and bigotry posted by many supposed conservatives who see kids as money-grubbing tax toilets and faith as a disease of the mind.

I’m thanking those people for clearing my mind of the false impression that I should find conservatives a more natural ally and progressives an enemy of these values. In point of fact, it is clear that I have enemies of my values within this community as well as within the progressive community. I don’t have to feel concerned just because progressives are succeeding in tilting the country away from my values in faith and family, because if many of you had your way, you would do the same. After all, others’ kids cost you money, and faith is a sickness! /s

It’s liberating to see this more clearly. Thank you.

xNavigator on April 3, 2014 at 10:57 AM

As a conservative Christian, I have to thank Hot Air for helping me feel much less troubled by progressive politicians. The anti-Christian bigotry and anti-family screeching of far too many supposedly compassionate conservatives here has made it clear to me that you are in fact no better than progressive anti-family, anti-Christian bigots. It has been an eye-opening experience to see so much hatred among people I had assumed were allies in the two areas of greatest importance to me: faith and family (children). That’s been helpful in setting my mind at ease over the leftward tilt of our political and social culture. After all, if people I believe are my allies see children as a grubby tax burden and faith as a mental disorder, I find I am free of feeling inclined to lend my support automatically to them, and I have much less to fear from the ‘other side’ when the extremes of both sides are in fact aligned against my values.

Thank you all. It has been liberating.

xNavigator on April 3, 2014 at 8:31 AM

See- right there is a big boo-boo. First of all you copied and pasted your own quote from another thread. No offense, but that’s just plain lazy. Second of all, people know that you just joined up, so they assume that you’ve been reading the site before joining, To act so “shocked and disappointed” so early on is a C0000034 Fatal Error. You probably registered with a few names. You might want to abandon this handle and start over again with another.

Happy to be of assistance.

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 11:01 AM

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 11:01 AM

* My comment fit in both threads.
* I have been reading the site articles/info, but not most of the comments. I also haven’t posted much. I’ve probably posted in a total of fifteen to twenty threads total since I began. Perhaps not that many. Too busy with real life. Most of my posts have been in threads on the topics that I most value, the areas of faith and family.
* I have one username here.

Disputation fail. My points remain. To have people within your community filled with such vitriolic bile against kids (many of these) and faith (to a lesser degree) is not a point in your favor. To do your best to use rhetorical fallacies to deflect from the reality of their vitriol is a failure of argumentation. Those people are no less enemies of my values than progressives.

Thank you for helping me to realize this.

xNavigator on April 3, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Thank you for helping me to realize this.

xNavigator on April 3, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Sure, sure. You’re welcome.
One username??? OMG! You’re a noob!
OK, it will take a whole lot of effort, but maybe you can still salvage things.
Lay low for a while, come back and then ease into things a bit.

Think about things. This would be like me signing up for HuffPo or the Daily Kos and immediately claiming that I’m a bigger Lefty than they, chastising them for not being Lefty enough and for being just as bad as those icky conservatives. They would be onto me like white on rice.

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 11:34 AM

This would be like me signing up for HuffPo or the Daily Kos and immediately claiming that I’m a bigger Lefty than they, chastising them for not being Lefty enough

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Analogy fail (they often do, sadly. So useful, so riddled with logical and rhetorical holes. Shame. I love them).

I’m not a ‘bigger conservative’ than you. I have values many of you do not share. I value children. I don’t see them as a social burden or fiscal black hole. I don’t bemoan the presence of kids in my community because they cost me money. I also value faith. I don’t dismiss faith as anti-science or a disorder. I see no problem in respecting both.

Too many people here are just as extreme and just as bad as progressives who hate kids and hate religion. You don’t share my values. You oppose them. I’m not surprised we disagree on things as conservatives. What I am surprised by is the vitriolic, bitter, angry opposition to faith and children that I see from far too many here. It’s no different than that of militant atheists or child-hating progressives.

That’s enlightening. It’s also liberating politically. Thank you.

xNavigator on April 3, 2014 at 11:46 AM

@Carolcdt @FallonTonight #NBC agreed vs disgusting @SarahPalinUSA … Hope she didn’t bring open 24/7 Pig Bristol wt her :-/
 
— MeowSays1 (@MeowSays1) April 3, 2014

 
Kin?
 
Bmore on April 3, 2014 at 10:38 AM

 
I’m sort of proud that I don’t understand that language. Is it something about a white butthurt stinkburger?

rogerb on April 3, 2014 at 12:29 PM

I’m tired of seeing folks like to have to go on T.V. and painfully explain how The ACA is hurting your chances of surviving. You should be proud of yourself and for many others I say “thank you for being brave”, while knowing you will be attached by those politically driven. Hope you find the care you need and I wish for a quick recover, not just for yourself…..but for your friends and family.

Signed……a concerned fellow American and please feel free to contact me if I can be of any help.

HonestLib.

HonestLib on April 3, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Actually, your posts are well thought out, and you are clearly not a troll.
It’s funny how a broken system forces otherwise like-minded people into seemingly opposing corners.
I would wager that the number of posters here who are anti-faith or anti-children is close to nil, but their comments seem to indicate otherwise. A horribly broken system can do that.

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Here is an example of a broken system bringing out the worst in everyone.

A patient’s family insists on continuing aggressive medical care for them despite the patient’s prognosis being virtually nil and despite the patient’s previously expressed wishes that they not undergo such treatments in a situation such as they currently find themselves. Why does the family do this in this example? Because they will lose the social security benefits coming in to their loved one, if their loved one dies.

Now imagine the feelings that this situation generates in anyone involved with the case. Imagine the side-issues and conflicts that are generated regarding end of life issues, religious issues, ethical issues, medico-legal issues. All brought on by a system that forced the family into the hideous position of making medical decisions for another based on financial necessity. This is more extreme, but not very far removed from the position of the lady who is the subject of this thread or the other thread where people are debating tax issues over the number of children that one has. Very sad. The solution is to fix the broken system.

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Obamacare, incidentally, is a system that is utterly and completely broken, and which will predictably lead to pain and suffering beyond that of the woman featured in this thread or even beyond our imaginings.

justltl on April 3, 2014 at 1:13 PM

burrata on April 1, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Why’d you even let sexual deviants with disproportionate rates of disease and death into your house in the first place?

#gheythread

Nutstuyu on April 3, 2014 at 3:15 PM

I’m sort of proud that I don’t understand that language. Is it something about a white butthurt stinkburger?

rogerb on April 3, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Lolz! No, just passing someone in the hall. ; )

Bmore on April 3, 2014 at 8:40 PM

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