Fatal self-defense shootings running high in Detroit

posted at 8:21 pm on March 31, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

The city of Detroit went into bankruptcy last summer, citing a whole slew of financial and municipal problems including the Detroit police’s average response time to calls for the highest-priority crimes coming in at an absurd 58 minutes — but that didn’t stop the firestorm of criticism in store for Detroit Police Chief James Craig when he started vocally advocating for more responsible citizens to take up the task of self defense by arming themselves.

After an incident last week, however, in which a northwest Detroit homeowner fatally shot two men he said were trying to break home, the number of fatal self-defense shootings for the year will likely be up to 10 already. In 2012, there were 25 justifiable homicides by citizens in the D, and 15 in 2013 — and whether or not its because more people have taken Chief Craig’s advice to heart and starting exercising their Second Amendment rights, it looks like more would-be criminals are finding citizens who aren’t willing to be made into victims, the Detroit News reports:

“It does appear more and more Detroiters are becoming empowered,” Craig said. “More and more Detroiters are getting sick of the violence. I know of no other place where I’ve seen this number of justifiable homicides. It’s interesting that these incidents go across gender lines.” …

Among the recent incidents:

-On March 7, a woman in her 50s shot and killed a man trying to break into her home in the 22000 block of Grove Street. She heard noises at her rear window and shot the intruder in the chest.

-At 2 a.m. Feb. 22, two men broke into a house on the city’s southwest side; the homeowner shot both men. A 21-year-old man died and the other man escaped.

-Earlier on Feb. 22, at 12:30 a.m., a woman who was surprised by a gunman when she pulled her car into the garage was able to reach for her own gun and fatally shoot the man.

-A woman on Feb. 17 opened fire on three teens who kicked in her door. The alleged intruders, ages 14, 14 and 15, were caught by police and charged with home invasion. …

“This should be a message to those who continue to perpetuate violence on Detroiters that enough is enough. You’ve got to be concerned about good Detroiters who aren’t going to stand for it,” Craig said. “Detroiters are fed up and they are taking action.”


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“Detroiters are fed up and they are taking action.”

Good for them…

OmahaConservative on March 31, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Excellent! The dead are the most co-operative people in existence!
Kill ‘em all, let Allah sort ‘em out.

Lanceman on March 31, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Hooray!

CW on March 31, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Oh D@mn.

People assuming responsibility for their own safety.

Next thing you know, they’ll want a job or something.

WryTrvllr on March 31, 2014 at 8:25 PM

You’ve got to be concerned about good Detroiters who aren’t going to stand for it,” Craig said. “Detroiters are fed up and they are taking action.”

Looking at the past voting records very few of them are good in Detroit. But, it seems there are a few.

astonerii on March 31, 2014 at 8:27 PM

The Chief is right of course, and anybody with a lick of common sense knows it. You want to wait 58 minutes while they’re assaulting your wife and kids and carting off all your possessions before killing you? It’s heartening to see there’s a few people brains left in Detroit. Lock and load.

Tim Zank on March 31, 2014 at 8:28 PM

That’s what’s called “A GOOD START”

ShainS on March 31, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Now if they would just stop voting Demoncrat…

S. D. on March 31, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Better a whole bunch of miscreants die than one dumbass take the time trying to decide if deadly force is needed.

Lanceman on March 31, 2014 at 8:28 PM

This must be blacks killing blacks. If it was a white person defending themselves against blacks…

Kaffa on March 31, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Stand by for “Progressive/Media” whine in

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CrazyGene on March 31, 2014 at 8:32 PM

one death is worth more than 10 rapes

nonpartisan on February 12, 2014 at 10:44 PM

nobar on March 31, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Stand by for “Progressive/Media” whine in

CrazyGene on March 31, 2014 at 8:32 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! Blacks killing blacks? Like in Chicago every day?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

Lanceman on March 31, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Do they still have to wait 58 minutes for the PD to show up and draw the chalk outline? Or can you just put the dead perp out on the curb for pick up?

battalion on March 31, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Fatal self-defense shootings running high in Detroit

…and it is just a start!

KOOLAID2 on March 31, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Instead of a TV show with zombies, why don’t they make a TV show about this Detroit transformation.

Call it…I don’t know…maybe…”Standing Up: Stories from the Hood”.

KirknBurker on March 31, 2014 at 8:40 PM

— but that didn’t stop the firestorm of criticism in store for Detroit Police Chief James Craig when he started vocally advocating for more responsible citizens to take up the task of self defense by arming themselves.

I live outside Detroit, and I’m seeing a firestorm of praise for the new police chief. When the new Mayor recently introduced his programs to Detroit, he introduced the members of his administration. The largest applause was for the police chief who may be the most respected personality in the city

He is quite a fellow. Articulate, and sensible. The press is not putting down him, or the people defending themselves. It took this man to make a strong stand on the right of self defense to change the equation. It had to start at the top. Citizens know he will not railroad them

My brother was beaten to death two years ago in a home invasion in Detroit. I suspect they might have caught the ones who killed him. They match the MO although they may never be tied to my brother’s case. The people arrested had invaded a home, tortured three men to death, and set the home on fire. One of the victims was still alive at the time firemen pulled him out. The chief went all out to catch the perps and he got them.

When citizens learn they have a right to self defend, they change and the perps change. It took a great police chief to re start liberty in a captive city

entagor on March 31, 2014 at 8:41 PM

“Detroiters are fed up and they are taking action.”

Is there any place where you can contribute money to purchase ammo for the people?

GarandFan on March 31, 2014 at 8:49 PM

entagor on March 31, 2014 at 8:41 PM

So sorry to hear about your brother…

OmahaConservative on March 31, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Yes, more please!

SouthernGent on March 31, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Two items on the Subject:

Report: Photos Show Russian Trained Snipers Killed Ukrainian Protesters…
Via Newsmax:
Photographs and videos have emerged that appear to indicate that the killing of dozens protesters in Kiev’s Independence Square on Feb. 20 was orchestrated by Russian-trained snipers and not local riot police, as the former Ukrainian government and Russian officials have claimed.
http://weaselzippers.us/181253-report-photos-show-russian-trained-snipers-killed-ukrainian-protesters/

Poll: Opposition To New Gun Control Laws Hits Two-Year High, 53%…
Via Rasmussen: Most voters oppose tougher gun control for the first time since the Connecticut elementary school shootings in December 2012.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 40% of Likely U.S. Voters now think the United States needs stricter gun control laws, down nine points from last May and the lowest level of support for stricter laws since February 2012. Fifty-three percent (53%) do not think the country needs tougher gun control laws, the highest level of opposition in over two years.
http://weaselzippers.us/181256-poll-opposition-to-new-gun-control-laws-hits-two-year-high-53/

Connected?

DinaRehn on March 31, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Just a guess but I’m thinking that home invasions are going to become rare in Detroit.

Oldnuke on March 31, 2014 at 8:57 PM

The ultimate result of liberal policies. Violence in the streets poverty as far as the eye can see.

Grunt on March 31, 2014 at 8:59 PM

They had nowhere to go but up. I hope the police chief has good security.

crankyoldlady on March 31, 2014 at 8:59 PM

That’s what we call a good start.

Ukiah on March 31, 2014 at 9:00 PM

entagor on March 31, 2014 at 8:41 PM

So sorry to hear about your brother…

OmahaConservative on March 31, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Me too … that was most painful to read.

ShainS on March 31, 2014 at 9:02 PM

“This should be a message to those who continue to perpetuate violence on Detroiters that enough is enough. You’ve got to be concerned about good Detroiters who aren’t going to stand for it,” Craig said. “Detroiters are fed up and they are taking action.”

No mention of the fact from Chief Craig that when minutes count, the Detroit PD is hours away. Arming oneself is the only sane thing for citizens to do. Just like I did when I moved to New Orleans five months after Katrina.

Happy Nomad on March 31, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Is there any place where you can contribute money to purchase ammo for the people?

GarandFan on March 31, 2014 at 8:49 PM

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Holy balls . . . . . I seriously think you’re on to something.

Start a non-profit philanthropic organization, to get arms and ammo into the right hands.
We could call it the ‘Save Detroit’ foundation.
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Even if we just went public with the idea of setting this up, it would send most of the Democrats and ‘commie pinko’ journalists in to an apoplectic frenzy.
That should be good for some great entertainment.

listens2glenn on March 31, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Do they still have to wait 58 minutes for the PD to show up and draw the chalk outline? Or can you just put the dead perp out on the curb for pick up?

battalion on March 31, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Perp pick-up is on Mondays, except in the case of legal holidays, in which pick-up will be on Tuesdays. Do not mix your perps with other trash or perps will not be picked up.

Thank you
City of Detroit Sanitation Department

Pless1foEngrish on March 31, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Holy balls . . . . . I seriously think you’re on to something.

Start a non-profit philanthropic organization, to get arms and ammo into the right hands.
We could call it the ‘Save Detroit’ foundation.
.
Even if we just went public with the idea of setting this up, it would send most of the Democrats and ‘commie pinko’ journalists in to an apoplectic frenzy.
That should be good for some great entertainment.

listens2glenn on March 31, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Great idea.

Get started!

Mark Boabaca on March 31, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Why doesn’t Facebook or Apple buy the city of Detroit, ask the U.S. Government for it’s own independent charter, and they could turn it back to the mecca it used to be? P.J. O’Rourke said that Detroit should be the U.S. version of Hong Kong. This is a no-brainer idea and would demonstrate the power of capitalism and free markets.

Brian in Titletown on March 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Is there any place where you can contribute money to purchase ammo for the people?

GarandFan on March 31, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Not to be the dream crusher here but I don’t think supplying ammo for citizens is the right idea. We should be supplying the whole crime scene kit (crime scene tape, those little number things, chalk for drawing outlines). Since Detroiters are already having to defend themselves, why not give them the ability to do all the forensic work before the cops and coroner finally show up?

Happy Nomad on March 31, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Perp pick-up is on Mondays, except in the case of legal holidays, in which pick-up will be on Tuesdays. Do not mix your perps with other trash or perps will not be picked up.

Thank you
City of Detroit Sanitation Department

Pless1foEngrish on March 31, 2014 at 9:10 PM

As if Detroit has trash pick-up! Ha!!!

Happy Nomad on March 31, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Where’s non-One-Note-Johnny-partisan to blather about how much he loves being a subject, under the boot of his armed government betters, who never, ever, ever mishandle their weapons, and possess a Jedi-like mastery over them that we plebes could never hope to attain?

CurtZHP on March 31, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Perp pick-up is on Mondays, except in the case of legal holidays, in which pick-up will be on Tuesdays. Do not mix your perps with other trash or perps will not be picked up.

Thank you
City of Detroit Sanitation Department

Pless1foEngrish on March 31, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Shouldn’t they go into the recycle bin?

kringeesmom on March 31, 2014 at 9:51 PM

This will be self-limiting. Eventually you run out of people willling to attempt crime, either by persuasion or by perforation.

njcommuter on March 31, 2014 at 9:58 PM

I’m slowly beginning to think that there may some slight hope for Detroit after all.

RoadRunner on March 31, 2014 at 9:59 PM

Look like some folk gonna be movin to Chicago.

mankai on March 31, 2014 at 10:12 PM

It is going to take African-Americans to turn around African-American communities. It is nice to see a African-American police chief point out that it is poor African-Americans who are trying to live peaceful lives who are most often victimized by other African-Americans who are criminals.

That criminal element exists because a bunch of white left wing types who don’t live in those communities, along with their African-American front men (the real so called “Uncle Toms”, have made African-Americans into perceptual victims. They want them to remain poor and victimized so they can keep them voting for a certain political party.

If African-Americans start using their 2nd amendment rights, and demand better educational opportunities for their children via school choice, and have strong educated role models (see Dr. Carson, or Justice Clarence Thomas) for their children they might not become victims anymore and become strong and confident individuals. No need for all those social programs, no need to fear, no need for some white progressive to “help” them….thus no need to vote democrat.

I do not know what Chief Craig’s politics are, and it does not matter, because he is promoting the 2nd amendment and thus individual liberty, and that is something that will have long term consequences.

William Eaton on March 31, 2014 at 10:24 PM

Stand by for “Progressive/Media” whine in

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CrazyGene on March 31, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Shockingly, the local news has been covering these self-defenders as local heroes. They even went to a pizza delivery place where all the drivers said they were packing and the owner was encouraging them. All presented in a fairly positive light by the news.

Clark1 on March 31, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Is there any place where you can contribute money to purchase ammo for the people?

GarandFan on March 31, 2014 at 8:49 PM

.

Holy balls . . . . . I seriously think you’re on to something.

Start a non-profit philanthropic organization, to get arms and ammo into the right hands.
We could call it the ‘Save Detroit’ foundation.
.
Even if we just went public with the idea of setting this up, it would send most of the Democrats and ‘commie pinko’ journalists in to an apoplectic frenzy.
That should be good for some great entertainment.

listens2glenn on March 31, 2014 at 9:08 PM

For a story more likely to be taken positively, I would suggest the NRA put together a training program on self-defense. They do this regularly and for free, but in the case of Detroit they could surge their capacity and advertise it locally. Maybe even include a voter registration form with the Republican box already checked off.

slickwillie2001 on March 31, 2014 at 10:38 PM

Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!

Then drag the perps back to where they live and dump em in the front yard!

ConcealedKerry on March 31, 2014 at 10:48 PM

If African-Americans start using their 2nd amendment rights, and demand better educational opportunities for their children via school choice, and have strong educated role models (see Dr. Carson, or Justice Clarence Thomas) for their children they might not become victims anymore and become strong and confident individuals. No need for all those social programs, no need to fear, no need for some white progressive to “help” them….thus no need to vote democrat.

William Eaton on March 31, 2014 at 10:24 PM

+1000

goflyers on March 31, 2014 at 11:17 PM

one death is worth more than 10 rapes

nonpartisan on February 12, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Kind of depends on who the death is, doesn’t it?
I don’t see myself shedding any tears if a murderer or rapists dies by violence.

For a story more likely to be taken positively, I would suggest the NRA put together a training program on self-defense. They do this regularly and for free, but in the case of Detroit they could surge their capacity and advertise it locally. Maybe even include a voter registration form with the Republican box already checked off.

slickwillie2001 on March 31, 2014 at 10:38 PM

Maybe they could do a joint announcement with the police chief.

talkingpoints on March 31, 2014 at 11:25 PM

This is the liberal, blue model, Democrat society in action. Reality bites, eh?

RebeccaH on April 1, 2014 at 2:15 AM

Calling Piers Morgan. The good citizens of Detroit want a word with you.

HiJack on April 1, 2014 at 3:30 AM

Even more interesting to me than the official death toll for thugs and criminals is the question of how many perps have been taken out by citizens, who then simply disposed of the body without ever involving the police.

Decomposing corpses are discovered on a regular basis in Detroit, in abandoned homes and elsewhere. The clearance rate for homicides in Detroit is 21%. How many of these unsolved slayings are actual murders, and how many are the result of armed citizens defending themselves and their homes, then dumping the body far afield?

When the body is that of a known criminal, how can you tell the difference?

leereyno on April 1, 2014 at 5:18 AM

The American Citizen Project needs to expand to Detroit.

ajacksonian on April 1, 2014 at 6:14 AM

The cure for crime in Detroit”

KILL MORE CRIMINALS

TX-96 on April 1, 2014 at 6:25 AM

Is there any place where you can contribute money to purchase arms/ammo for the people?

GarandFan on March 31, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Work right up until the first “innocent” is killed with a “donated” gun…or crime is committed with a stolen “donated” gun…you’d never hear the end of it.

SwabJockey on April 1, 2014 at 6:26 AM

Apparently, it’s the police you have to watch out for in Albuquerque.

Too few police. Too many aggressive police.

Strange times.

Sherman1864 on April 1, 2014 at 8:46 AM

Is there any place where you can contribute money to purchase ammo for the people?

GarandFan on March 31, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Buy 9mm ammo in the Detroit area (and up to 30 miles around).
Good luck with that.

mechkiller_k on April 1, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Start a non-profit philanthropic organization, to get arms and ammo into the right hands.

listens2glenn on March 31, 2014 at 9:08 PM

I would suggest the NRA put together a training program on self-defense.

slickwillie2001 on March 31, 2014 at 10:38 PM

The one thing the NRA won’t generally do, and which would be great to go along with some ammo, would be range time. A philanthropic program to offer free ammo for use in free range time. This increases safety *and* effectiveness of the firearms in the hands of Detroiters. (And, no one will get killed by free ammo or guns.)

GWB on April 1, 2014 at 9:11 AM

They should have signs in Detroit like the ones everywhere that brag about ‘fewer traffic deaths’, except as a “Perp Count”. Might say: “Over 200 perps pumped this year”…just sayin’.

vnvet on April 1, 2014 at 9:54 AM

maybe the police are just fluff. citizens can take care of themselves.

newpine on April 1, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Fundamental Hazard of Firearms Use:

Once the Bullet Leaves the Barrel … It has NO FRIENDS.

Missilengr on April 1, 2014 at 2:20 PM

I used to think giving Detroit to Canada would work on more than one level. But now realizing “law abiding” residents would have to disarm, nevermind.

bbhack on April 1, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Apparently, it’s the police you have to watch out for in Albuquerque.

Too few police. Too many aggressive police.

Strange times.

Sherman1864 on April 1, 2014 at 8:46 AM

OT: there is something very wrong in NM. Maybe Sheriff Joe can go clean the place up.

bbhack on April 1, 2014 at 3:23 PM

I fully support Americans protecting themselves from criminals.

GEAH on April 1, 2014 at 8:38 PM